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Essence Snow

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13 Oct 2010 at 20:23 - 81

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Originally Posted by Kydd

Snow I WANT pve ers to go out and get a pvp title. The title that says you've done everything in guild wars should reflect that you've at least dipped into some pvp imo.

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I've tried it...I just don't like it. Too much random chaos or vent 3...2...1 spike. If (hypothetically) they made z title a pve title I would just buy fame to get that title. I'm not exactly sure why ppl care enough about z title its not like playing pvp alone w/o purchasing keys is enough to max the title anyhow. It's not detracting ppl from getting other pvp titles. To me it makes sense more to argue why gamer title should be a pvp title than y z shouldn't.

Kydd

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13 Oct 2010 at 21:29 - 82

If they put the requirement of a pvp title it should be a real pvp title. Some who have never tried pvp might like it and stick around and those who don't should just go without the title. I dont understand why anet would even put the requirement of a pvp title and include z title. If they are going to do that just so everyone gets to be 50/50 they should just not require pvp at all (which would be fine).

Milennin

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13 Oct 2010 at 21:52 - 83

I'd still like an answer to my question...

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So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title.

jazilla

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:25 - 84

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Is the whole reason behind this..."I don't want PvE's to have a PvP title?"

did you even read my original post that started this thread?! i said that i got the z-title by doing 600/smite runs through sepulchre of dragrimmar and charging people for the run. i could care less if "pve-people" as you call them get the pvp title. they just should just have to play through any of the myraid pvp arenas in the game to get that point for their HoM.

i am a pve person btw that just happens to enjoy pvp as well, but THIS is the point of this thread: Go into a PvP arena to earn your HoM point for your GW2 characters. How many more times do I have to say why it is I started this thread?

Milennin said: "So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title."

Response: Nope. Just get to R3 Glad or get Hero 6 etc. That is my suggestion lol. I answered your post with my original post lol. I don't think that the z-title should count as the pvp title. period.

Yawgmoth

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:37 - 85

Zaishen Title counting as a PvP title is a horrible joke. It's a PvE title MORE than PvP - it's easier to farm or powertrade for money than to earn it through PvP play. Zaishen title is no different and even cheaper to buy for a PvE only player than for example Sweet Tooth or Party Animal!

Instead they should make the Gamer (Skillz) title count as a PvP - EVERY means of obtaining points for this title require playing and winning against other players. It's also easily accessible for PvE'rs, just not buyable (which is good - way too many buyable titles).

Milennin

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:43 - 86

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Originally Posted by jazilla

Milennin said: "So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title."

Response: Nope. Just get to R3 Glad or get Hero 6 etc. That is my suggestion lol. I answered your post with my original post lol. I don't think that the z-title should count as the pvp title. period.

And who are you to deny my Zaishen title I have PvP'ed for fair and square?

Also, I wouldn't feel like sitting in one type of arena for months to grind out points. At least the Zaishen title lets me choose where I PvP and how I PvP, not force me into the same thing over again for ages.

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:48 - 87

I PvPed all the faction I needed for my Luxon rank and all the points I needed for Gamer and those don't count as PvP titles so i'm sure as hell gonna PvE and buy my Zrank.

Shayne Hawke

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:49 - 88

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Originally Posted by Milennin

So, I earn my Zaishen Keys through PvP'ing - then why should I be denied my PvP title just because a few powertraders and lucky PvE'ers were able to buy their Zaishen Keys with gold? I clearly PvP'ed for my title.

You putting different words into your question doesn't change the fact that it's the same question you've asked for four posts now and has the same answer as the last first three.

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

...and insisting that it's "better" for a player to buy fame than zkeys is just pure obstinance at this point.

I don't believe I've ever encouraged or spoken of buying fame as a substitute to anything. That said, being inside the PvP arena doing anything is already bounds ahead of anything that the Zaishen title requires you to do in a PvP sense. You have either two options inside a match: play, in which you will be doing proper PvP, or leech, which would fall under match manipulation. You are either doing things right, or should be en route to a ban.

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You're arguing on principle. That's fine and dandy, but it's also completely short-sighted. This isn't a theoretical discussion, nor is it supposed to be a particularly "fair" decision; this is a business decision, first and foremost.

Mods don't read Sardelac. I'm fairly sure that just about every discussion here is theoretical.

The Krewe forums I'm browsing right now, however...

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On the other hand, no PvE player has ever been forced to head into PvP to get something they want, save for the PvP-specific titles and the rank emote. Why do you think that should suddenly change now, when they're trying to get people excited over their new game?

To me, it is ridiculous to allow the highest rank of achievement for GW without once requiring the player to explore one entire half of the GW world.

Skyy High

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13 Oct 2010 at 22:59 - 89

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Originally Posted by X CDH X

Though think what benefits it will be for GW if they did. Much more ppl would do HA / RA / and lol codex.

No. No, they wouldn't. This isn't just about not wanting to do the content, or not getting around to it; there are ample numbers of pure PvE players who refuse to do PvP of any sort, and many more who refuse to do anything involving organized teams.

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In the whole GW1 HoM there's a grand total of 1 PvP point - which is kinda crazy as I'd guess 1/3 of the GW player base PvP more than PvE. It would be tough for some ppl do get but would be a challenge and make the 50/50 total much harder to achieve which would be good

Hah. Confirmation bias much? I'm guessing you spend way more of your time in PvP, so you think many people play PvP. There have been many polls about this; the last I remember said something like 10% of the playerbase plays mostly (or only) PvP, 50% plays both to some degree, and 40% plays only PvE. Note that the portion of players who play both is obviously predominated by players who stick to casual PvP. Also note that this was a poll on a forum, which is generally skewed towards the more "hardcore" population; I'd imagine there is a much larger segment of the casual never-visited-a-forum population that is PvE-only than PvP-only.

TalanRoarer

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13 Oct 2010 at 23:04 - 90

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I want my points.

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13 Oct 2010 at 23:39 - 91

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Also, I wouldn't feel like sitting in one type of arena for months to grind out points. At least the Zaishen title lets me choose where I PvP and how I PvP, not force me into the same thing over again for ages.

Plus, as it is, PvPing in FA, JQ, and AB, which are probably the most inviting formats for PvEers, doesn't count toward a pvp title in any way except for zaishen. If they are going to get rid of zaishen, they need to, in some way, allow these formats to count. I have a high luxon rank almost exclusively from ABing and FAing, and I am kind of pissed that that doesn't count for the pvp title in the HoM. At least let the balthazar's faction you get from those formats count for the HoM if the lux/kurz faction isnt going to.

Reformed

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14 Oct 2010 at 01:30 - 92

Not sure why there is whining over Zaishen honestly. Those who are capable make loads of money selling their keys doing something they obviously enjoy. Those who aren't get to buy 3 points towards a cosmetic title system that will be stale a month after GW2 goes live. That sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Focus on something that actually matters...like why Gamer doesn't but should count.

jazilla

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14 Oct 2010 at 01:38 - 93

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Originally Posted by Reformed

Not sure why there is whining over Zaishen honestly. Those who are capable make loads of money selling their keys doing something they obviously enjoy. Those who aren't get to buy 3 points towards a cosmetic title system that will be stale a month after GW2 goes live. That sounds like a win-win situation to me.

Focus on something that actually matters...like why Gamer doesn't but should count.

I put something in my OP for this thread about CB but didn't go into detail about it as there is already a thread for that. I agree with you about the CB, but to let people spend 1,000 plat or 5k per zkey and get a pvp title....w/e i have said my peace.

chris12xu

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14 Oct 2010 at 02:10 - 94

its not like people who bought the zaishan title get something you dont have and as it has been stated before you can easily buy pve titles without ever stepping foot in pve. when the zaishan title was added it was added as a pvp title z-keys are gained primarily through pvp thats how you get a zkey (yes you can buy them but the player selling them had to of got them from somewhere) fact of the matter is a zkey is a pvp reward titles that gain points from pvp rewards are pvp titles. why would a title gained by using rewards gained in pvp not be considered a pvp title? other than your butthurt because you need to do more work to get 50/50 than a pve person....

really this who thread just sounds like a bunch of elitist pvp people who dont want other people to actually have something that is considered a pvp title you really need to stop throwing a temper tantrum and realize that you have egg on your face

fires element

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14 Oct 2010 at 02:39 - 95

i like the idea of gamer title being a pvp title myself. i don't really care one way or the other about zaishen counting as a pvp title or not cause there are other ways to get the HoM point. granted it will take you more time than just buying zkeys or doing the zaishen quests and stuff but it can still be done.

and i may be wrong but a pvper would still have to create a pve character and at least do the first couple quests and the primary quests for at least factions and nightfall. cause i know some doors don't open or some towns don't become mission towns unless you accept some rewards. so i think that they would have to be there for alittle bit while they leech the rest of the pve titles like vanquisher and such

HawkofStorms

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14 Oct 2010 at 02:51 - 96

Too late.

They can't undo a reward for the GW2 HoM. It would piss off too many of the casual fans to see their points drop unexpectedly and to lose a reward just because some fans wanted to "preserve the value of a title."

It's the same reason you can't change how the z-title works retroactively. Once something has been abused/used for too long, changing the status quo doesn't stop the people who abused it, it just punishes those who didn't.

Elnino

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14 Oct 2010 at 03:44 - 97

Shayne has already won this thread. Any argument against this change has been proven invalid countless times.

You people have to stop letting your emotions get the better of you and think this through logically. Only reason you oppose this change is that you refuse to do pvp. Stop thinking about yourselves and start thinking about the logic behind all this. I have not achieved zaishen r3 nor any pvp title as I am playing on a second account. I'm a primarily pvp player. I'm going to have to achieve a minimum of r4 koabd to get my 50/50. That's a lot of time consuming pve and I don't like it. I hate it, but I still have to do it. I'm going to have to get a pvp title which is also time consuming but I am all for this change. I'm willing to give up the quickest way to earn a pvp monument because I enjoy pvping and it will be a decent challenge.

So here's the difference. PvPers have to do PvE to get their 50/50 even if they hate it. They just do it because it has to be done.

So, logically, PvEers must do PvP to get their 50/50 even if they hate it. Just do it because it has to be done.

A saying comes to mind: don't do what you like, like what you do

So if you think the zaishen title is a pvp title, boy are you delusional.

Shayne Hawke

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14 Oct 2010 at 04:42 - 98

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Too late.

They can't undo a reward for the GW2 HoM. It would piss off too many of the casual fans to see their points drop unexpectedly and to lose a reward just because some fans wanted to "preserve the value of a title."

It's the same reason you can't change how the z-title works retroactively. Once something has been abused/used for too long, changing the status quo doesn't stop the people who abused it, it just punishes those who didn't.

With Costume Brawl being opened soon, this would be an ideal time for moving Zaishen to a PvE title status and Gamer to a PvP title status. It won't be long after Costume Brawl that Snowball is made available, and then Dragon Arena and Rollerbeetle shortly after that.

It's also ideal because this is happening right now. The longer this drags on, the worse the situation gets for trying to make the switch. That much should be obvious though.

jazilla

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14 Oct 2010 at 05:21 - 99

proof that it isn't a pvp title: you ain't getting on any HA teams with a high zrank, but if your glad is high enough, totally.

Milennin

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14 Oct 2010 at 06:52 - 100

Alright, I'm done here then. I PvP for my title (and no, not only in the Luxon/Kurzick arenas) and yet you tell me to actually PvP for my title, I don't know what you really want from me then, as I have done it all for my Zaishen title. Good luck with whatever you try to achieve with this, even though it makes 0% sense.

matter of time

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14 Oct 2010 at 08:27 - 101

pvp ... means killing other pvpers (some NPCs are almost in every kind of PVP) ... this way you earn zaishen fractions points right? so everyone who posses zaishen points earned that way reflecting r3 zaishen rank is justified to obtain pvp zaishen rank right? if not it is simply unfair ... as for proposal of any change ... the rules (laws) should not be introduced with retrospective effect that could adversaly harm pll (well at least majority of pll)...

Morphy

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Not going to keep up with that anymore

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14 Oct 2010 at 09:57 - 102

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Originally Posted by Milennin

Alright, I'm done here then. I PvP for my title (and no, not only in the Luxon/Kurzick arenas) and yet you tell me to actually PvP for my title, I don't know what you really want from me then, as I have done it all for my Zaishen title. Good luck with whatever you try to achieve with this, even though it makes 0% sense.

I can PvP for Zkeys, sell them and buy Drunkard. Then I've PvPed for a money title. It works both ways. The pattern seems to be that "vague" titles like these are considered PvE titles: see allegiance ranks, for example. PvE = titles you play PvE for and money titles, PvP = titles that force you to PvP.

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14 Oct 2010 at 10:09 - 103

Actually , that's fun because it's an other thread we see all PvE'rs QQing. When people asked to make changes in HA , or to add Hero Battles back , all just came here and said : " who cares " , " that arena is just title farm " ,... and now they are all like " omg omg how am i gonna do my 50/50 then " . This reminds me the little bug that was in underworld for like 2 hours when mobs had 50k health , and there were like 6 threads made...

Anyway , @ Milllennin guy : same problem than for people who farm dead hour Ha compared to those who play it sometimes ; people who did commander 5-6 fairly while some just had to RR to get r9-10 easily .... Usually ,they consider the majority of players without thinking of minority , thus ......

Lanier

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14 Oct 2010 at 18:55 - 104

The biggest probem with eliminating zaishen's status as a PvP title is that then, AB, FA, and JQ would count nothing at all toward obtaining a pvp title. Since these formats are the most PvE player friendly (and the most fun in my opinion), there should be some way to obtain a pvp title through playing them. Since lux/kurz doesn't count (which is kind of stupid in my opinion since i'v spent an assload of time in these areas getting my lux title up), zaishen could. Can it be abused due to its status as "a money title"? sure. However, there are far better ways to handle the situation... like making z-keys untradeable. This would force you to PvP for the zaishen title, and likewise, would force PvPers to PvE for other money titles. Its pretty win/win in my opinion, and FA/AB/JQ would still count toward your HoM for the pvp title.

Morphy

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Not going to keep up with that anymore

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14 Oct 2010 at 19:31 - 105

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Originally Posted by Lanier

However, there are far better ways to handle the situation... like making z-keys untradeable. This would force you to PvP for the zaishen title, and likewise, would force PvPers to PvE for other money titles. Its pretty win/win in my opinion, and FA/AB/JQ would still count toward your HoM for the pvp title.

Far too late for that. The damage has been done, any change made now should be consistent with similar decisions. Still, it's probably best to not change things at all. Simply not worth the rage.

lemming

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14 Oct 2010 at 19:48 - 106

Making a title based on balth faction would work if it weren't for Zaishen Elite.

Sethellington

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14 Oct 2010 at 22:25 - 107

While in principle I agree, I wouldn't like to see it as PvE only. I'm R4 Hero, R2 Glad and was on my way to raising my Commander before it was removed. So even though I have PvP experience, the dead player base means I'll never raise these titles far enough any more, but it's unfair to lose 3 points for that reason. Zrank is the only title I have a hope of getting high enough to get into HoM. Perhaps my case is somewhat rare since I'm sure you're referring more to the R0 G0 that spend the 1000k on the title, but it's impossible to draw the line.

Lanier

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14 Oct 2010 at 22:34 - 108

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Originally Posted by lemming

Making a title based on balth faction would work if it weren't for Zaishen Elite.

I don't do Zelite so i may be incorrect here but I was under the assumption that the amount of balthazar faction obtainable from it was limited per day, similar to the Zchallenge.

lemming

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14 Oct 2010 at 22:38 - 109

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Originally Posted by Sethellington

While in principle I agree, I wouldn't like to see it as PvE only. I'm R4 Hero, R2 Glad and was on my way to raising my Commander before it was removed. So even though I have PvP experience, the dead player base means I'll never raise these titles far enough any more, but it's unfair to lose 3 points for that reason. Zrank is the only title I have a hope of getting high enough to get into HoM. Perhaps my case is somewhat rare since I'm sure you're referring more to the R0 G0 that spend the 1000k on the title, but it's impossible to draw the line.

Bringing the word unfair into this doesn't make sense. How is it unfair to not get credit for something you didn't finish?

With that being said, what would the opinion be on the glad monument requirement being r2? 200 points takes some time, but it's entirely reasonable for anyone who's not completely awful to finish.

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Originally Posted by Lanier

I don't do Zelite so i may be incorrect here but I was under the assumption that the amount of balthazar faction obtainable from it was limited per day, similar to the Zchallenge.

6000 a day for a year is 2.2 million faction.

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14 Oct 2010 at 22:46 - 110

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

If you can earn the title through PvE play, it is a PvE title.
If the only way to earn the title is by stepping foot into an arena, it is a PvP title.
If you have the option of earning a title through either PvE or PvP means, it can be earned without playing PvP, and is therefore a PvE title.

Strictly speaking, only the 2nd point is always true. In the case of the other two, the exact opposite argument could also be made on Kurzick/Luxon titles, for example:

If you can earn the title through PvP play, it is a PvP title.
If you have the option of earning a title through either PvE or PvP means, it can be earned without playing PvE, and is therefore a PvP title.

See what I mean?

Gennadios

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15 Oct 2010 at 00:17 - 111

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Originally Posted by Lanier

However, there are far better ways to handle the situation... like making z-keys untradeable.

Oh no it wouldn't. I'd pity the poor souls who would have to earn 200 zkeys strictly through PvP.

The people who know their sh** are probably well on the way to getting that title, forcing them to earn 25 or so keys through PvP wouldn't be a problem. It's simply unfair to the current noobs that may decide to do this title sometime in the future.

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15 Oct 2010 at 02:49 - 112

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

Oh no it wouldn't. I'd pity the poor souls who would have to earn 200 zkeys strictly through PvP.

The people who know their sh** are probably well on the way to getting that title, forcing them to earn 25 or so keys through PvP wouldn't be a problem. It's simply unfair to the current noobs that may decide to do this title sometime in the future.

balthazar's faction isn't that tough to get. Plus, it is after all a pvp title. If anet is going to institute something stupid in the HoM like forcing a pvp title in order to get a full hall, they might as well do it correctly.

Of course, i really don't care about the z title anyway. I just wish lux/kurz counted. There are plenty of people out there who got a very high/max faction title before the big faction update a couple years back. It is unfair for those of us who did so much PvPing for our title that we can't count that in the HoM in place of glad, hero, etc.

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15 Oct 2010 at 03:51 - 113

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Originally Posted by Lanier

I just wish lux/kurz counted. .

MQSC/DTSC, hardcore pvp?

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15 Oct 2010 at 04:22 - 114

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Originally Posted by Del

MQSC/DTSC, hardcore pvp?

Really? You don't have to be all sarcastic. Im not an idiot... I know that lux/kurz faction can be gotten in PvE.

I admitted in a previous post that titles like this could be achieved through other methods. That doesn't mean it shouldn't necessarily be a PvP title. There are many people who get all their lux/kurz from PvP. In fact, there are many who had max luz/kurz before the big faction update.

Plus, why should the PvP title have to be obtained through "hard core" PvP? It should be obtainable from the casual FA/JQ/AB formats as well.

On a side note, I also think that the lux/kurz rank required for the HoM statue should be higher than r4. Maybe r9-10.

Del

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15 Oct 2010 at 04:56 - 115

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Originally Posted by Lanier

Really? You don't have to be all sarcastic. Im not an idiot... I know that lux/kurz faction can be gotten in PvE.

I admitted in a previous post that titles like this could be achieved through other methods. That doesn't mean it shouldn't necessarily be a PvP title. There are many people who get all their lux/kurz from PvP. In fact, there are many who had max luz/kurz before the big faction update.

Plus, why should the PvP title have to be obtained through "hard core" PvP? It should be obtainable from the casual FA/JQ/AB formats as well.

On a side note, I also think that the lux/kurz rank required for the HoM statue should be higher than r4. Maybe r9-10.

Point is, when the titles are just as easier, and in fact, more practical to pursue via pve, then it's perfect as it is as a pve title.

Also our definitions of hardcore are quite different.

Smarty

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15 Oct 2010 at 09:56 - 116

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Originally Posted by lemming

With that being said, what would the opinion be on the glad monument requirement being r2? 200 points takes some time, but it's entirely reasonable for anyone who's not completely awful to finish.

I can't stand RA. Loathe the place. I'd rather not have 50/50 than step foot in there ever again.

lemming

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15 Oct 2010 at 10:34 - 117

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Originally Posted by Smarty

I can't stand RA. Loathe the place. I'd rather not have 50/50 than step foot in there ever again.

It's the most accessible form of PvP that has its own title track.

Smarty

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15 Oct 2010 at 11:09 - 118

Doesn't make it any more of an enjoyable place to spend my time though. Random partners against random opponents in an untiered 4v4 format is just horrible.

I'd much rather see a new PvP-only title added for AB/JQ/FA. One that isn't linked to PvE skills and doesn't give any PvE benefit, and can only be earned in those places and not via VQing or whatever.

Sethellington

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15 Oct 2010 at 13:28 - 119

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Originally Posted by lemming

Bringing the word unfair into this doesn't make sense. How is it unfair to not get credit for something you didn't finish?

With that being said, what would the opinion be on the glad monument requirement being r2? 200 points takes some time, but it's entirely reasonable for anyone who's not completely awful to finish.

The only reason I use unfair is because this thread is based on people just using the 1000k, or ZM/ZB coins to farm zrank, which doesn't cover me. Also 'unfair' since it's impossible to find a team in HA these days now. With the Balth faction I've earned, I wouldn't be far off the Z3 anyway. As for the R2 suggestion. Fine in my eyes, they lowered the amount of Fame you need for HoM by 65%, I don't see any harm in reducing the Glad points needed by 50%.

lemming

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15 Oct 2010 at 19:14 - 120

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Originally Posted by Smarty

Doesn't make it any more of an enjoyable place to spend my time though. Random partners against random opponents in an untiered 4v4 format is just horrible.

I'd much rather see a new PvP-only title added for AB/JQ/FA. One that isn't linked to PvE skills and doesn't give any PvE benefit, and can only be earned in those places and not via VQing or whatever.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...8&postcount=83

Your second point would be nice, but it's too late to do it retroactively.