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Originally Posted by Pantaloon
Go read a couple of Team Quitter threads. These are the people that make up what is mostly left of the PvP community. Not exactly people I want to associate myself with.
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GvG in Crisis.
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Opeth
i fully support this post.
i also would like to note that gvgers arent elitists! HA'ers are....and as strange as it seems pvers ARE elitits (i've tryed to get my gwamm with real people and had to do it alone with henchies cause theres was no1 to take me
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ign: benighted soul
i also would like to note that gvgers arent elitists! HA'ers are....and as strange as it seems pvers ARE elitits (i've tryed to get my gwamm with real people and had to do it alone with henchies cause theres was no1 to take me
ign: benighted soul
i farm baddies
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Originally Posted by Ka Tet
One thing you may want to consider, that always sort of slowed down the guest process is that there is no designated area where you can go to look for guests or for the chance to guest. Maybe pick an asian district of RA and unofficially designate it as the default area to find guests or be guested.
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http://www.teamquitter.com/phpBB2/vi...ghlight=chiizu
shoulda made this thread way earlier.
ilr
In two words: Too Late.
This is really up to Devs to incentivize it and remove the hurdles to entry. ...just like they did for "Hardmode" when they finally nerfed the doubled casting speed of Mobs and added Z-coins prior to that.
I've been in slowly-dying games before where PvP'ers tried to revive their formats for the sake of the good old days and it's certainly up there with the more noble acts in MMO history. But it just doesn't pan out. The most recent one was City of Heroes... They tried, they really did (the players, not the Devs). Infact it only took ONE dev to totally kill PvP off entirely for roughly 10,0000 players.
It's like gardening, You can't ignore the fact that ya depleted the soil. PvP'ers themselves even deplete it simply by running the most optimal builds that never gave anyone else a chance and then blame it on the newbs lacking preparedness. That's not how a successful format stays alive. A Successful format teaches you as you go through it while its "fun" multipliers are directly inverse proportioned to its bars of entry. And there's lots and lots of perfectly active Console and FPS or RTS games out there still flourishing today (even Starcraft1) b/c they do exactly that. To a degree, JQ/FA/RA also do this which why they're still alive. ....GvG meanwhile, is a foreign concept shrouded in its own self importance.
This is really up to Devs to incentivize it and remove the hurdles to entry. ...just like they did for "Hardmode" when they finally nerfed the doubled casting speed of Mobs and added Z-coins prior to that.
I've been in slowly-dying games before where PvP'ers tried to revive their formats for the sake of the good old days and it's certainly up there with the more noble acts in MMO history. But it just doesn't pan out. The most recent one was City of Heroes... They tried, they really did (the players, not the Devs). Infact it only took ONE dev to totally kill PvP off entirely for roughly 10,0000 players.
It's like gardening, You can't ignore the fact that ya depleted the soil. PvP'ers themselves even deplete it simply by running the most optimal builds that never gave anyone else a chance and then blame it on the newbs lacking preparedness. That's not how a successful format stays alive. A Successful format teaches you as you go through it while its "fun" multipliers are directly inverse proportioned to its bars of entry. And there's lots and lots of perfectly active Console and FPS or RTS games out there still flourishing today (even Starcraft1) b/c they do exactly that. To a degree, JQ/FA/RA also do this which why they're still alive. ....GvG meanwhile, is a foreign concept shrouded in its own self importance.
lemming
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Originally Posted by ilr
This is really up to Devs to incentivize it and remove the hurdles to entry. ...just like they did for "Hardmode" when they finally nerfed the doubled casting speed of Mobs and added Z-coins prior to that.
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PvP'ers themselves even deplete it simply by running the most optimal builds that never gave anyone else a chance and then blame it on the newbs lacking preparedness. That's not how a successful format stays alive. A Successful format teaches you as you go through it while its "fun" multipliers are directly inverse proportioned to its bars of entry. And there's lots and lots of perfectly active Console and FPS or RTS games out there still flourishing today (even Starcraft1) b/c they do exactly that. To a degree, JQ/FA/RA also do this which why they're still alive. ....GvG meanwhile, is a foreign concept shrouded in its own self importance.
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(Starcraft 1 is pretty notorious for this. New players are expected to lose at least their first 50 matches on the primary matchmaking ladder.)
Grotesque
Great thread! 
I myself have a little time to play, but 1-2 hours few days a week isn't that hard.
U don't need to leave ur guild As another people say: just ask guild/alli mates if someone want to try gvg, search guest threads and pm people on obs^^ I myself willing to guest if not busy.
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Originally Posted by Lanier
I think the main problem (to me at least) is that high end PvP requires a lot of time.
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Originally Posted by Lanier
a. I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice the guild im in and the friends that iv made in it to find a gvg guild, and
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As another people say: just ask guild/alli mates if someone want to try gvg, search guest threads and pm people on obs^^ I myself willing to guest if not busy.
Sankt Hallvard
So now after 5 pages of Kumbaya I'd like the "pve'ers" that actually tried gvging to come forward. Did anyone reading this thread get inspired and try playing? How was the experience?
Missing HB
Btw , is that true that there will be a new sort of reward in GvG at haloween ? If so , i hope it won't be an epic joke to make GvG a farm place or whatever ( such as zquest for Hero battles..)...
kedde
A couple big issues seems to always have been that either some person and a friend or two want to get into it, but don't want to leave their old pve guild behind.
Think of this, you still have your friendlist, PM's, voice com. MSN/facebook whatever you like to keep close contact with them.
My friendlist has been full for the past 4 years since I remembered it was there, yet I still talk and write to a lot of people I know in the game just to keep in contact.
You don't necessarily need green text to keep in touch, blue text or different chat programs do it just as well. It's a question of commitment.
Secondly, there always seems to be a bunch of people saying they want to try, why don't they all just get together and try it out?
Either make a guild for it since it now only requires 2 guild members, or just decide whose guild you'll all meet up in.
Noone should give a crap about rating at this point, the only thing you'll want to keep in mind is that you might want to scrap the guild and make a new one to start at N/A rating at some point.
Think of this, you still have your friendlist, PM's, voice com. MSN/facebook whatever you like to keep close contact with them.
My friendlist has been full for the past 4 years since I remembered it was there, yet I still talk and write to a lot of people I know in the game just to keep in contact.
You don't necessarily need green text to keep in touch, blue text or different chat programs do it just as well. It's a question of commitment.
Secondly, there always seems to be a bunch of people saying they want to try, why don't they all just get together and try it out?
Either make a guild for it since it now only requires 2 guild members, or just decide whose guild you'll all meet up in.
Noone should give a crap about rating at this point, the only thing you'll want to keep in mind is that you might want to scrap the guild and make a new one to start at N/A rating at some point.
fowlero
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
Btw , is that true that there will be a new sort of reward in GvG at haloween ? If so , i hope it won't be an epic joke to make GvG a farm place or whatever ( such as zquest for Hero battles..)...
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From arena.net blog.
I'd imagine it'll be more kill based potentially, i don't see it massively getting farmed anymore than the influx of henchie hexways that appear low on ladder on Quest day. Hopefully they'll pull it off as just a new incentive to actually play.
I for one am definitely intrigued about it anyway.
Kerus Tel Veren
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Originally Posted by The PvP Community
Many of you probably are skeptical, thinking that you would get destroyed in a GvG setting, and this would cause frustration and people on your team would rage the team and possibly even the guild. This has been the age old critique of GvG, its not beginner friendly.
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He started playing seriously, joined a guild, pvped, joined another guild, pvped more, started his own guild, pvped even more.
And he couldn't make the least bit of progress. Trying to organize a group of 7 other players to get on at the same time, play together, use builds together, prioritize targets, communicate, gear correctly, spec correctly, it just wasn't happening.
And to be clear, he did this over the course of six months. That's not a casual investment of time.
Now that the HoM stuff is in, I can't even get him to look at the game, and he doesn't seem very enthusiastic about GW2.
Maybe it has changed, as you say, but I've always found GW PvP to be one of the most hostile, unwelcoming, vertical learning curve areas of any online gaming experience ever.
It's a sign of how much ANet's initial vision for their game never gelled with how and what players wanted that the game focused more and more on PvE and solo PvE experience as time went by.
I don't fault you for this request, but I'm not sure I can really agree with it. GW PvP is just damn hard to get into.
Fox Reeveheart
i've lost every GvG i've ever played on. NEVER ONE A SINGLE TIME, EVER.
I have absolutely no interest in something I never win at o_o
I have absolutely no interest in something I never win at o_o
ruk1a
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i've lost every GvG i've ever played on. NEVER ONE A SINGLE TIME, EVER.
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/joking
The PvP Community
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i've lost every GvG i've ever played on. NEVER ONE A SINGLE TIME, EVER.
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If the answer to all of those was yes try guesting a player or two you see on Obs and they at least do a little to fix your problem.
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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard
So now after 5 pages of Kumbaya I'd like the "pve'ers" that actually tried gvging to come forward. Did anyone reading this thread get inspired and try playing? How was the experience?
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RotteN
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Originally Posted by Pantaloon
Go read a couple of Team Quitter threads. These are the people that make up what is mostly left of the PvP community. Not exactly people I want to associate myself with.
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Besides, you're wrong when you say QQ are "the people that make up what is mostly left of the PvP community." Most of QQ are people that used to play GvG years ago (including the actual guild).
In all honesty, if you want to try it, it would be foolish to let a couple of rotten apples scare you. GvG's fun, and the better you get, the more intense it becomes. Surely you'll lose quitte a few at first, but read up on guides, observe yourself, ... The tools for self-evaluation are all around you, it's not as impossible as most people tend to think.
lemming
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Btw , is that true that there will be a new sort of reward in GvG at haloween ? If so , i hope it won't be an epic joke to make GvG a farm place or whatever ( such as zquest for Hero battles..)...
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This might be a good time to give it a try ^.^
Lews
Most of the players who have been playing this game competitively from a GvG standpoint over the years have moved on to other games. There are a few of us who are still around, but hell, we never play. There is still a little bit of elitism, but for the most part the GvG community is trying to get people playing again. On the other hand, the HA community is as elitist as it's ever been, which is always amusing. And lately RA has gotten that way too. Nothing but shit-talking the entire time.
Anet needs to do something to try to interest all these PvE players. People want to play, but they're afraid to (which has always been the story about PvP). But for the time being, you just need to get out there, keep trying to play with people. A lot of people are extremely reasonable. Always try your best, try messaging people and try to get into games. A lot of players in the high end will surprise you with just how nice and willing to play with you they are. People will try to say that they've always been amazing or a high end player, and that's a lie. Everyone started somewhere. Everyone got brought up in the ranks somehow. Personally I barely recognize anyone whose even in the top guilds anymore, because they weren't at that level when I was playing there. But they've managed to make there way up.
Message people, play the game, ask questions, learn from mistakes, and have fun! PvP has always been my favorite part of the game and a lot of there peoples as well. It's a whole other facet of Guild Wars.
Anet needs to do something to try to interest all these PvE players. People want to play, but they're afraid to (which has always been the story about PvP). But for the time being, you just need to get out there, keep trying to play with people. A lot of people are extremely reasonable. Always try your best, try messaging people and try to get into games. A lot of players in the high end will surprise you with just how nice and willing to play with you they are. People will try to say that they've always been amazing or a high end player, and that's a lie. Everyone started somewhere. Everyone got brought up in the ranks somehow. Personally I barely recognize anyone whose even in the top guilds anymore, because they weren't at that level when I was playing there. But they've managed to make there way up.
Message people, play the game, ask questions, learn from mistakes, and have fun! PvP has always been my favorite part of the game and a lot of there peoples as well. It's a whole other facet of Guild Wars.
Lews
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To everyone interested in playing, they've supposedly added a reward of 50 trick-or-treat bags for a GvG win.
This might be a good time to give it a try ^.^ |
Rushin Roulette
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Who's willing to help new players out in Starcraft 1 or Quake Live or Counter-Strike? Guides for new players exist, but I doubt that you'll be finding many people who'll help you beyond telling you to dive into the deep end headfirst.
(Starcraft 1 is pretty notorious for this. New players are expected to lose at least their first 50 matches on the primary matchmaking ladder.) |
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There are many more who I cant remember or have since disbanded, but you get the idea. I see much more willingless to help out new players in other PvP games than I see in guild Wars.
I wish everyone in PvP had the same mindset that the OP has and is willing to help out newbs, but the harsh reality is that there are just too many in the game that do not share this idealism which is really a shame as this ruins the hope of players trying to get a start in PvP. Dont forget, People will remeber the bad experiences before they can recall and good experiences, its Human nature.
ilr
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It's interesting that you think this is the case, since nearly everyone in this recent previous thread who touched on the issue insisted that the barriers were player-made - including you, in fact.
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Who's willing to help new players out in Starcraft 1 or Quake Live or Counter-Strike? Guides for new players exist, but I doubt that you'll be finding many people who'll help you beyond telling you to dive into the deep end headfirst. (Starcraft 1 is pretty notorious for this. New players are expected to lose at least their first 50 matches on the primary matchmaking ladder.) |
There's nothing radical about what I'm asking for here and I'd really appreciate it if it was taken at that face value. Thank you.
Ariena Najea
I think many of the criticisms here spawn from a common problem - many players are more interested than winning or titles than having a good time during the match. If you really only enjoy grind, GvG is not for you, but you may enjoy grinding HA for rank.
The GvG changes this Halloween should be interesting.
The GvG changes this Halloween should be interesting.
The PvP Community
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Originally Posted by Ariena Najea
I think many of the criticisms here spawn from a common problem - many players are more interested than winning or titles than having a good time during the match. If you really only enjoy grind, GvG is not for you, but you may enjoy grinding HA for rank.
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The GvG community supports this idea.
lemming
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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette
I see much more willingless to help out new players in other PvP games than I see in guild Wars.
I wish everyone in PvP had the same mindset that the OP has and is willing to help out newbs, but the harsh reality is that there are just too many in the game that do not share this idealism which is really a shame as this ruins the hope of players trying to get a start in PvP. |
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What if I'm waiting to be proven wrong by actions? ...either by Anet, or by hard core PvP'ers?
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This thread is an attempt to prove you wrong. Unfortunately, it feels as if you've been skimming it and only picking out the points to your liking.
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This was my point though... No guides or cronies were necessary in these other games, you just jumped in and learned as you went along. The only time that isn't possible is when the Ladders are clogged with smurfs doing exactly what I just said: Modus Operandi; Dominating the fresh meat. Otherwise the newbs get to face other newbs or atleast get some amount of randomness factoring in (like in FA) which enables the transition to veteran-hood via the natural process of trial & error instead of rote memorizing of guides & social-climbing within archaic guild structures.
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The lower reaches of the ladder are not populated by smurfs preying on new players. The prevalence of complaints about them is mostly just something to blame for losses (something seen at higher ranks, too).
There's very little rote memorization of anything involved. Besides basic mechanics about how the game works, just about everything else is something that can be intuitively understood after a few encounters, or something abstract that only Ensign will ever grasp.
As for "archaic guild structures," you'll have to explain yourself.
Still Number One
I'm not gonna lie, this thread has made me consider playing again. Although I'm not quite sure I have the time considering I've been booked with trying finish up my senior year at University and applying around for grad schools. Not to mention I have been enjoying spending my nights outside of Guild Wars.
I do miss GvG though. Problem is I doubt I could pick up at the level I left off at, my friends who do still play are now lots better then I ever was and I don't feel like I have it in me to work my way up again. Man I can be such a downer sometimes.
I do miss GvG though. Problem is I doubt I could pick up at the level I left off at, my friends who do still play are now lots better then I ever was and I don't feel like I have it in me to work my way up again. Man I can be such a downer sometimes.
The PvP Community
The American GvG Community experienced a four round AT tonight.
Progress.
Hopefully everyone enjoys playing for the trick or treat bags.
Progress.
Hopefully everyone enjoys playing for the trick or treat bags.
Tweeaaked
sup lews
sup purr
sup purr
Just Sai
great thread with genuine intention.
fully supported from this obscure direction.
i am one of these.
just ask me.
fully supported from this obscure direction.
i am one of these.
just ask me.
Lews
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sup lews
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Oh, and sup.
Glad to hear the AT had more rounds tonight! Hopefully it will continue to grow
Jbrown
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Originally Posted by upier
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/f...t10455967.html
I'd rather pass up on the opportunity of playing with the nice people here than risk running into one of those morons. Am I aware that I am referring to a notoriously bad PvP mode and drawing conclusions that might be completely unrelated to the mode in this thread? Absolutely! Do I care? No. Quite simply because I am still able to have fun despite making this decision. It's you that gets screwed. And I don't care about you. Maybe once GW2 rolls into town people will realise that it pays off to not behave like dicks in ANY mode that requires other people to play with. |
fowlero
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The thread I posted contains nice examples showcasing the exact kind of behaviour that is making me not want to PvP.
So the question is - would you prefer to know why people don't want to PvP so that one can work on that and potentially convince players to actually try it or would you prefer that people just shut up and don't play? The PvP community is NO position to come here and just asks to be trusted! You have screwed up too royally for that! |
There are however, still a lot of people out there that still want to try out GvG. Many of them won't mind the occasional bit of trash that comes in any competitive aspect of games.
Noones asking to be trusted, just inviting those interested people to get together and play the game. Also reminding them that high end GvG players tend not to be the trash talkers that populates HA/RA, that many pve players wrongly associate all of the PvP community as being like. These players they will actually play for you, and if asked will give all the advice you want.
helloeveryone
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Originally Posted by fowlero
Noones asking to be trusted, just inviting those interested people to get together and play the game. Also reminding them that high end GvG players tend not to be the trash talkers that populates HA/RA, that many pve players wrongly associate all of the PvP community as being like. These players they will actually play for you, and if asked will give all the advice you want.
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Ops, sorry to add that those are "high end" , coloured "cape" guild messing around in RA
fowlero
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Originally Posted by helloeveryone
that is not true, the advice they gave me in RA is "go back to PVE", "stop playing pvp you noob". yep
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I meant that the high end gvg players are not (always) like those in HA/RA who spam crap like you mentioned, and will in fact give you good advice/help you out occasionally if you ask them.
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I don't see why a person would need thick skin to take advice.
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The PvP Community
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that is not true, the advice they gave me in RA is "go back to PVE", "stop playing pvp you noob". yep
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You obviously missed his point, he was saying that the people you encounter in GvG will not be like these people you meet in RA and HA, and the level of tolerance and acceptance in GvG is overall much higher.
helloeveryone
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You obviously missed his point, he was saying that the people you encounter in GvG will not be like these people you meet in RA and HA, and the level of tolerance and acceptance in GvG is overall much higher.
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Maybe my encounter with GvGer wasn't pleasant to begin with. have quite a few encounters that is really demeaning. its not a nice feeling to be verbally abused simply because u lost a RA match you are trying hard to win
i know i wasn't good in pvp hence i stick to RA,FA,TA etc and just want to enjoy the game.
sorry for grunting. i believe that many others like me, have no interest to into "high end pvp" just so we could glorified others, haha
just saying my thoughts, no offends to other nice pvpers out there
Morphy
Also, don't forget not all players with a gold cape actually got it through high-end play. Many people cape-leech.
fowlero
As morphy said, anyone that says "you saw my cape nub" is probably a leecher. Those who won the trim have usually won a few before and as such don't flaunt it like it's something.
Trim/Tag means nothing, they can be anyone. Particuarly with some goldcape guilds.
Trim/Tag means nothing, they can be anyone. Particuarly with some goldcape guilds.
RotteN
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the Ladders are clogged with smurfs doing exactly what I just said: Modus Operandi; Dominating the fresh meat.
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Originally Posted by helloeveryone
you mean that the same GvGer with a gold/silver/bronze cape calling me "you pve noobcake" "you saw my cape u nub" will behave differently if he is in guild battle and not in RA/HA?
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helloeveryone
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Originally Posted by fowlero
As morphy said, anyone that says "you saw my cape nub" is probably a leecher. Those who won the trim have usually won a few before and as such don't flaunt it like it's something.
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sorry i understand that the purpose of this thread is to get players to gvg again. OP intention is good so i think i should stop expressing myself too much.
Essence Snow
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Originally Posted by RotteN
there is, in fact, the rest of the team to keep the few hotheaded members in check.
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