Skill Balance 13/11/2010 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

snowman relic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

your just a meatsheild to me

N/Mo

13 Nov 2010 at 01:19 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicpid

why would anyone want the sos nerf, first they buffed it then they nerfed it now u want another nerf?!wtf

arenanet is changing the rules every 2 days, am sick of nerfs and buffs...

I agree with the basic message of this the only change i would make is change to spawning attribute i having everyone running the same bar thinking a for example warrior is more useful as a SoS spammer then a tank/damage dealer especcially when professions other then rit cant make spirits that are able to take a hit

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

BTW, look at all the Dervish changes. All of them.

Win lol

Elnino

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

In a house

Proof Of A Nets Laziness[HB]

A/W

13 Nov 2010 at 01:21 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by NerfHerder

On that note, it does seem they may be herding the Rit into more PvP action. Which makes me wonder, Why? Why is the Rit so important? It already dominates everything in PvE, do they really want it to be the same for PvP? Is that what Anet has planned for the necro rip off? Classes like the Dervish ::cough:: (awesome runner) ::cough:: and the Paragon that see absolutely no play in PvP/GvG. But then again, maybe they are waiting to update those professions before they give them a chance.

Well, ritualists had been the core flag runner for years and they have not seen any play this year. I guess they are just restoring equilibrium. Also, keep in mind that all professions should see play in both PvE and PvP. That's why they're working on dervish (and then paragon) updates.

NerfHerder

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2010

13 Nov 2010 at 01:21 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowlero

Monk flaggers hit, therefore people will likely go back to rit flaggers. Gaze of Fury and Signet of Binding were hit to stop people just being able to takeout the opposing flaggers spirit everytime he uses it. Which was part of the meta problem that lead to HB flaggers being used.

Recup revert i don't really know why but sure.

They're not herding it, it's just what people will go back to and they're pre-emptively hitting the problems that would otherwise have occurred with spirits for party heal support.

TY for the explanation. Does it seem like Anet is manipulating GvG more so than balancing it?

Divine Slaya

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Young Money Merger [YM]

Mo/

13 Nov 2010 at 01:24 - 44

ITT everyone posts rants about the skill update before even playing a single GvG or HA match.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

13 Nov 2010 at 01:27 - 45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy Bear

It still doesn't heal party members when used on yourself.

Dunno how you are testing, but I run outside of eotn with 2 heroes, and I'm seeing +42s on them no matter how I target. Select myself, no target, hostile target, same result.

Grumpy Bear

Krytan Explorer

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England

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Mo/

13 Nov 2010 at 01:37 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Dunno how you are testing, but I run outside of eotn with 2 heroes, and I'm seeing +42s on them no matter how I target. Select myself, no target, hostile target, same result.

Isle of the Nameless. Not particularly interested how it works in PvE tbh...

LifeInfusion

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

in the midline

E/Mo

13 Nov 2010 at 01:38 - 47

Heal Party is more or less in the same zone as Divine Healing/Heaven's Delight. I guess they wanted to nerf party heals. On the flip side you don't need HB to make it not interrupt bait... so you can run it on a bar with WoH or w/e.

I have no idea why Healing Burst was made that way. Assuming you run 14 or DF the heal is about 45-50. That's about the same as Divine Healing. Worthy of an elite? That's up for debate

Spear warrior nerf in terms of enraging charge, and no more adrenaline gain before actually hitting. I guess it is to stimulate use of "To the limit!", though that is unlikely.

EDIT: preliminary test of Mimicry-ed HB and UA with Healing Burst: it doesn't get boosted.

PvPers: You now have no party heals that recharge often, unless you run protective was Kaolai and Heal party. UA divine Healing /Heaven's delight doesn't work in pvp.

Boogz

Lion's Arch Merchant

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Variable Speed Farmers[VsF]

Mo/

13 Nov 2010 at 01:56 - 48

Heal Party @ PvE also got nerfed with a smaller range.

Coast

Furnace Stoker

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Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

13 Nov 2010 at 02:00 - 49

theres still lod

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

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TSR

Mo/Me

13 Nov 2010 at 02:01 - 50

Maybe there trying to eliminate the Monk proffession all together in GW? Make it more like GW2?

Pol

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

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WA

DH

Rt/

13 Nov 2010 at 02:09 - 51

No split for Black Mantis Thrust makes me cry...

MArcSinus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2010

The Netherlands

Are We Friends [NLT]

E/

13 Nov 2010 at 02:11 - 52

So out of all the skills in the game they decided to nerf Enraging Charge..

I lost hope.

mrmango

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Southern California

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Me/Rt

13 Nov 2010 at 02:12 - 53

I don't think this is so bad. Like 90% of skill balances. Heh.

A11Eur0

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

W/

13 Nov 2010 at 02:13 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogz

Heal Party @ PvE also got nerfed with a smaller range.

Troof. Gonna suck for places like urgoz and the Deep.

Motoko

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2008

Dallas, Texas

Zero Quality [zQ] /[LaG]/[USA]/[iQ]

A/E

13 Nov 2010 at 02:13 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apok

* Signet of Binding: changed attribute to Spawning Power; increased casting time to 2 seconds; added the following functionality: "50% failure chance with Spawning Power 4 or less." I don't know what this is referring to, but okay

This function was added because many guilds would run a R/Rt in the past to use signet of binding on the opposing recuperation to put further pressure on them and totally negating a significant part of the opposing party's party healing.

TL: DR a good nerf to the bad consequences of hybridization.

I Angra I

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Napa, CA

Inadequately Equipped [GeAr]

R/N

13 Nov 2010 at 02:15 - 56

For everyone complaining about not having Heal Party and freaking out about dying instantly to pressure, maybe you should look at the rest of the update.

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

13 Nov 2010 at 02:16 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gladiator Motoko

This function was added because many guilds would run a R/Rt in the past to use signet of binding on the opposing recuperation to put further pressure on them and totally negating a significant part of the opposing party's party healing.

TL: DR a good nerf to the bad consequences of hybridization.

I have to admit, I forgot this tactic existed in the first place.

Good foresight on their part.

Master Fuhon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

13 Nov 2010 at 02:47 - 58

The issue with Ritualists was not entirely whether they could party heal, but whether they could stand up to a split with an assassin. I don't know how well they tested for this, but otherwise monk runners would just be forced into Heal Party+Light of Deliverance.

I really feel that earshot is a range for midliners, so at least they caught possible abuses for Healing Burst if the skill fails (off specs without DF, and smiters).

IrishX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/

13 Nov 2010 at 02:50 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by MArcSinus

So out of all the skills in the game they decided to nerf Enraging Charge..

I lost hope.

Because nerfing overpowered things is bad? The hammer adren engine has been pretty out of whack since NF release. Enraging is still a bit dumb, and Flail also needs to be hit a bit, but it's a step in the right direction.

And before you get pissed off, nerfing the hammer adren engine means Aura Stabil can also be killed.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

13 Nov 2010 at 03:00 - 60

I never really bothered with black mantis thrust until I used it in costume brawl, now I'm kinda bugged I won't be that interested in running it for my dual builds.

GG anet.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

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orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

13 Nov 2010 at 03:12 - 61

ive been vanqing in factions but switch to para which was in nf to put stuff onto. but strangly i had to load files for it. it is just me or did anyone else have this issue? i did see two other people in it could that have done it?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

13 Nov 2010 at 03:14 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy Bear

Isle of the Nameless. Not particularly interested how it works in PvE tbh...

Multiacctd humans only in PvP Isle, still not seeing the issue.

Keep in mind your party members still need to be in earshot of target.

I have also noticed loading some files in areas if you don't -image. Maybe they snuck in some graphics for a future update.

Winterclaw

Wark!!!

Join Date: May 2005

Florida

W/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:15 - 63

So why is this update bad for HA and why should anyone care about that place?

Overall this balance is meh. Healing burst looks interesting though.

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Nov 2010 at 03:18 - 64

From a PvE perspective I like the idea of using healing burst for MM/Spirit parties.

And believe it or not I'm actually pretty happy they changed barbed signet to work on all necro skills so we could use it with Necrosis now, there was just no real reason to make the PvE version spell only, it's not like bleeding is that useful in PvE anyways.

diabiosx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fast As A Turtle[WoOm]

W/E

13 Nov 2010 at 03:18 - 65

Dear Anet, what am I supposed to do in capture points vs fire eles??

wilebill

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mt Vernon, Ohio

Band of the Hawk

W/Mo

13 Nov 2010 at 03:20 - 66

Guess it's all they had time for right now. Leaves me feel hanging.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

13 Nov 2010 at 03:22 - 67

jesus tap dancing christ, just remove HA from the game already, anet. can't believe how horribly they manage to screw every single move they make up.

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

N/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:27 - 68

Heal Party Stealth Nerf:

Heal Party now only heals for about half the compass, as opposed to the entire sphere of influence.

Noooooooo.

Edit: In PvE AND PvP

Apok

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2010

13 Nov 2010 at 03:29 - 69

To all the HAers complaining about fire eles, you do know there is this thing called positioning, right?

Jesus, what are people gonna do once GW2 comes around?

diabiosx

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fast As A Turtle[WoOm]

W/E

13 Nov 2010 at 03:35 - 70

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apok

To all the HAers complaining about fire eles, you do know there is this thing called positioning, right?

Jesus, what are people gonna do once GW2 comes around?

to all people that dont play HA, you do know there is this thing called altar points that u must stand in, right?
Jesus, when are people gonna get a brain before commenting?

Vlad

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

Canada, UW

O.O

R/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:40 - 71

Bunch of morons Anet is....

WarcryOfTruth

Site Contributor

Join Date: Nov 2009

Atlanta

[LIFE]

P/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:42 - 72

Lame, I was hoping Heal Party's change to spirit range was intentional.

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

N/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:43 - 73

Well, can't interupt fire Ele's.

Guess everyone is going to have to actually push against the other team before humping the cap point.

What did people do before Healer's Boon?!

Elnino

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

In a house

Proof Of A Nets Laziness[HB]

A/W

13 Nov 2010 at 03:44 - 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by diabiosx

Dear Anet, what am I supposed to do in capture points vs fire eles??

Dshot, Savage, Pblock, PD, Pleak, KD, sentinels, the list goes on.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

13 Nov 2010 at 03:45 - 75

sooo 3rd build update. what was this for? oo;

deluxe

Desert Nomad

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Monkeyball Z

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Mo/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:47 - 76

I foresee a paragon meta!

WarcryOfTruth

Site Contributor

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Atlanta

[LIFE]

P/

13 Nov 2010 at 03:48 - 77

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Lame, I was hoping Heal Party's change to spirit range was intentional.

This. Apparently Heal Party's range was mistakenly changed to approximately spirit range, and this third update just fixed it. But I do not know what else it did.

Sirius Bsns

Banned

Join Date: May 2010

PonG

W/Mo

13 Nov 2010 at 03:52 - 78

Dear Anet, why must you nerf everything to hell with the very few updates you DO provide [roughly every few months]? Do you want your game to die faster?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

13 Nov 2010 at 03:57 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

What did people do before Healer's Boon?!

Hall Holding.

headlesshobbs

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

13 Nov 2010 at 04:05 - 80

I'm kinda bugged that mesmer skills didn't get nerfed enough. For pvp use, it would have been great if there was either a shorter duration, or if a limit to how many times it activates had been introduced.