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Originally Posted by Necromas
From a PvE perspective I like the idea of using healing burst for MM/Spirit parties.
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MM/Sprits are considered allies.
Skill Balance 13/11/2010
NerfHerder
MM/Sprits are considered allies.
KingCrab
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Originally Posted by MArcSinus
So out of all the skills in the game they decided to nerf Enraging Charge..
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Enraging Charge: changed functionality to: "For 5...15 seconds, you move 25% faster. Enraging Charge ends when you successfully strike a target, at which point you gain 0...3 strikes of adrenaline if you hit with a melee attack."
How did it used to work?
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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi
ive been vanqing in factions but switch to para which was in nf to put stuff onto. but strangly i had to load files for it. it is just me or did anyone else have this issue? i did see two other people in it could that have done it?
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Mesmers Are Bad
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Originally Posted by KingCrab
So it doesn't state what the old skill was so I'm not sure what the change was. Currently:
Enraging Charge: changed functionality to: "For 5...15 seconds, you move 25% faster. Enraging Charge ends when you successfully strike a target, at which point you gain 0...3 strikes of adrenaline if you hit with a melee attack." How did it used to work? |
Spears being ranged, the nerf hurt the ability to just run in and bb of the bat, or spear as the case may be.
refer
Goodbye VoR! And I remember a time when everybody used it and nothing else.
Said it before and will again: they should think about arena specific versions of skills. It is necessary sometimes. Every place has different conditions and skills more suited towards it.
Said it before and will again: they should think about arena specific versions of skills. It is necessary sometimes. Every place has different conditions and skills more suited towards it.
Fillyra
Bleeeeh, this update. That many files changed for just those skills... I dunno, PvP in GW needs much more work than just these few skill changes imo. I guess it'll be another few months until the next PvP update.
Lanier
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Originally Posted by Fillyra
Bleeeeh, this update. That many files changed for just those skills... I dunno, PvP in GW needs much more work than just these few skill changes imo. I guess it'll be another few months until the next PvP update.
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Xiaquin
So, these all look to be PvP balances. Why aren't they all PvP split? Was there some balance issue with Mirror of Ice in PvE? I'm sure it makes sense in PvP, but to my knowledge that is the most random PvE nerf I've ever seen.
Kaida the Heartless
Players need to realize that skills in Guildwars will never be fully balanced. It is a game that requires constant Meta changes to remain interesting and fair. Thirty minutes after the update I saw a Monk using Barbed Signet to fuel Scribes Insight in the first successful Boonprot I've seen in 4 years.
This is how the game works. It evolves. You should try to keep up, you'll have alot of fun doing so.
This is how the game works. It evolves. You should try to keep up, you'll have alot of fun doing so.
SongOf
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Players need to realize that skills in Guildwars will never be fully balanced. It is a game that requires constant Meta changes to remain interesting and fair. Thirty minutes after the update I saw a Monk using Barbed Signet to fuel Scribes Insight in the first successful Boonprot I've seen in 4 years.
This is how the game works. It evolves. You should try to keep up, you'll have alot of fun doing so. |
lemming
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
So, these all look to be PvP balances. Why aren't they all PvP split? Was there some balance issue with Mirror of Ice in PvE? I'm sure it makes sense in PvP, but to my knowledge that is the most random PvE nerf I've ever seen.
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Sirius Bsns
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Originally Posted by lemming
Why split everything? That's just more work for them to keep an irrelevant niche skill in PvE the way it is.
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drkn
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That's why i will always advocate for small, but constant updates for GW1 - i don't expect them to balance up a whole class/arena/location in one big update after six months (or five years in case of PvE mesmers...), i'd rather see them introducing smaller updates every month (or even twice a month) with subsequent reactions (nerfing/buffing back, updating in a different way) if something is still wrong.
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Boogz
i'm glad they restored heal party back. they ruined my Urgoz run.
Coast
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Well, can't interupt fire Ele's.
Guess everyone is going to have to actually push against the other team before humping the cap point. What did people do before Healer's Boon?! |
lemming
Yeah, because nerfing MoI was a big deal in the delicate balance of elementalists as DPS in PvE.
Coast
I would like to see the extra healing for heal burst 1,5times the divine favor(instead of 1time) bonus and apply the heal also on yourself if used on yourself(so at 14heal/7divine that would be 122+22+33)
Word of Healing still would be stronger as it still heals for more and recharges faster
Word of Healing still would be stronger as it still heals for more and recharges faster
diabiosx
barbed signet with scribes insight is a joke. you gain about +2.5ish pip of energy regen. Also scribes can be striped.
dansamy
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
What did people do before Healer's Boon?!
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Lishy
What are people's thoughts on Enraging Charge? Maybe they'll revert it?
deluxe
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Originally Posted by Lishy
What are people's thoughts on Enraging Charge? Maybe they'll revert it?
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drkn
Given the skill's name, it was pretty silly to be able to build your adrenaline with it by chuckling a spear.
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by lemming
Yeah, because nerfing MoI was a big deal in the delicate balance of elementalists as DPS in PvE.
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Aljasha
the ele suffers from high armor levels in pve. so the best way to solve the issue would be some sort of armor penetration or a general reduction of armor levels while increasing the health of mobs, but not skill damage buffs which hurt the most in pvp.
using an increased enchantment duration weapon just negates the nerf in pve.
using an increased enchantment duration weapon just negates the nerf in pve.
IrishX
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Originally Posted by Lishy
What are people's thoughts on Enraging Charge? Maybe they'll revert it?
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To the people complaining about fire eles in Tombs: Ward Elements (or Harm), interrupts, and KDs, and strips are your friends. Or just wait to drop your AoE until the other people do, so everyone has to scatter/die at the same time.
Also, the lack of a nerf on Jagged will turn out poorly.
Killed u man
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Originally Posted by IrishX
It's a pretty dumb skill. It should be 1...2...2 (or not exist). Couple that with a flail nerf and Aura Stabil can also be hit.
Just because it's less broken doesn't mean it's not broken. This could be the start of ANet nerfing all the excessively overpowered crap in the game. It won't be, but we can still hope. To the people complaining about fire eles in Tombs: Ward Elements (or Harm), interrupts, and KDs, and strips are your friends. Or just wait to drop your AoE until the other people do, so everyone has to scatter/die at the same time. Also, the lack of a nerf on Jagged will turn out poorly. |
All those alternatives you posted makes me believe you haven't played HA in a long time
IrishX
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Originally Posted by Killed u man
All those alternatives you posted makes me believe you haven't played HA in a long time
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Morphy
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
You're missing the point: they "fixed" something in PvE that was not broken. This is one way balance issues spawn in the first place.
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diabiosx
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Originally Posted by IrishX
I have not in any serious manner. I fail to see how that makes my theorycrafting any less sound in this case. If your team is balled on the alter (which is the only time fire is a problem), shit out a ward that makes one heal pot fix the damage. Fire AoEs are 2s casts, so if you can't interupt/kd them, you're terrible. SoC is hardly an excuse since you can do the same to that. Also, PBlock bypasses anti-interrupt skills, as disabling the skill also interrupts it.
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Bobby2
I don't play GvG nor HA (regularly, anyway). All I can say is that I'm happy with the changes to Necs and Mezzies, kind of glad to see Leaping Mantis gets some love, a bit meh on Enraging Charge.
Overall I'm quite content. I just hope the next update won't be too long in the waiting, and it shouldn't have to - there are quite a few clear problem skills/synergies still not addressed.
Overall I'm quite content. I just hope the next update won't be too long in the waiting, and it shouldn't have to - there are quite a few clear problem skills/synergies still not addressed.
Motoko
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Originally Posted by diabiosx
to all people that dont play HA, you do know there is this thing called altar points that u must stand in, right?
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There are also forms of interupts you can use to negate that sort of damage.
If these two options aren't viable then there is probably a reason you are running a gimmick.
Of course there are situations of multiple fire eles, but then again you are speaking of Heroes Ascent. Isn't that the clusterfck that it has turned into anyhow? You're kidding yourself if you expect any of the skill balances to revolve around Heroes Ascent.
Seriously, just look at how that new Hall of Heroes map turned out.
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Originally Posted by cantalus
party i'm in now are thinking perhaps anet want to make sure people stop playing HA completly
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They need to either put it out of it's misery, start a ladder system like GvG, or heap upon ungodly generous awards that will flood HA with noobs and PuGs, effectively bringing in fresh blood and letting come-latelys work on their Hero Track.
Before the hate rains, I do not specifically endorse any of these ideas; it just seems to be the only three options on the table other than letting it fester and take up server capacity and CPU clock cycles better spent elsewhere.
chuckles79
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Originally Posted by Morphy
I don't think they intended to fix anything about it for PvE, they just observed that the nerf wouldn't make a difference in PvE anyway.
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It was bullcrap when H/H 6 man areas in Tyria, and it was exquisite bullcrap in RA and CA.
Was it overpowered like some previous skills back in the day, no; but I am glad it's gone.
chuckles79
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Originally Posted by diabiosx
barbed signet with scribes insight is a joke. you gain about +2.5ish pip of energy regen. Also scribes can be striped.
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Short
Kind of underwhelmed. Oh well, not that I expected much.
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by IrishX
Just because [MoI is] less broken doesn't mean it's not broken. This could be the start of ANet nerfing all the excessively overpowered crap in the game. It won't be, but we can still hope.
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Originally Posted by Aljasha
using an increased enchantment duration weapon just negates the nerf in pve.
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I know this all seems pointless, but if it was a skill more people used, there would be rage. A bad nerf is a bad nerf, and I think they made a mistake.
Life Bringing
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Originally Posted by Xiaquin
Er, what was overpowered by MoI in PvE? I wouldn't even put that on a hero, and now it's worse.
That will be fun until you get it stripped outright. Enjoy your 45 second wait for mediocrity. I know this all seems pointless, but if it was a skill more people used, there would be rage. A bad nerf is a bad nerf, and I think they made a mistake. |
Morphy
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Originally Posted by chuckles79
They fixed empathy. There is much rejoicing in Mudville.
It was bullcrap when H/H 6 man areas in Tyria, and it was exquisite bullcrap in RA and CA. Was it overpowered like some previous skills back in the day, no; but I am glad it's gone. |
Xiaquin
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Originally Posted by Life Bringing
The point is that no one in their right mind would use it in pve, so they didnt bother splitting it. Note that this was a pvp focused update
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kupp
Sad by seeing Coward! take a hit. Recently became my favourite low-end pvp playtoy, it's not too bad of a nerf but it makes the job A LOT more difficult to keep someone knock-locked since by the time the skill becomes active, the enemy is already beginning to run and denies us the short adrenaline build-up moment.