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StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

16 Dec 2010 at 23:42 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

This makes absolutely no sense. An elite sniper-bowmaster is suddenly a spearchucking motivational speaker? Is there any in-story basis for this at all?

Check out Post #10.

Also, he's trying to be more like Kormir minus the blind and "more an annoyance than help" part.

cbsteel

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Buried in a snow drift

[Chix]

16 Dec 2010 at 23:44 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisCo

You can get him after the wedding, he should be on his honeymoon but he joins you ... kinda weird

In his defense, would you really want to go on a honeymoon with Gwen?

Lortext

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:44 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

This makes absolutely no sense. An elite sniper-bowmaster is suddenly a spearchucking motivational speaker? Is there any in-story basis for this at all? Any possible way to explain this beyond ANet wanting to shoehorn Thackeray into being a hero profession that wasn't already maxed out?

More gross speculation but I predict he will get a bow attack Hero skill that encourages him to be a P/R. Who knows.

-Vodka-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

UK

Mo/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:46 - 24

Lolwut? Thackeray as a paragon? o.O

Arduin

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

R/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:50 - 25

People already forgot the Paragon skills he teached himself during the HotN questchain? Come on, it was obvious.

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:50 - 26

Any confirmation on whether or not he can be added to the HoM like M.O.X.?

Thorinfire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shiverpeaks

Ambassadors of Enlightenment [SAGE]

R/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:51 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbsteel

In his defense, would you really want to go on a honeymoon with Gwen?

No, I wouldn't want to do anything to legitimize the relationship. Why buy the cow if you are already milking it?

Zawk Tirson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2010

R/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:51 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

This makes absolutely no sense. An elite sniper-bowmaster is suddenly a spearchucking motivational speaker? Is there any in-story basis for this at all? Any possible way to explain this beyond ANet wanting to shoehorn Thackeray into being a hero, with a profession that wasn't already maxed out at three?

Ironically, as a Ranger I might have used him. As a Paragon, I'll stick with Morgahn, the one with actual story reasons for being what he is. (Don't get me started on Hayda...)

Were you paying attention to the mini-quests as him at all? Or were you paying attention to the unlocked hero text?

The whole point of the quests was to have Thackeray learn how to be a leader. He leads the residents of Beetletun to resist the White Mantle. He gets those Paragon skills to reflect this.

The hero unlocked text specifically says that he was a former ranger who turned from a solitary hunter to a commanding leader.

recon54

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Necros Mausoleum

W/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:53 - 29

just tried adding him to HoM, can't be added, also checked to see if you can upgrade his armor at the Hero Armorers in EotN, was a no deal.

Zawk Tirson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2010

R/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:56 - 30

Same results as recon54.

-Vodka-

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2009

UK

Mo/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:57 - 31

so its not miku>!!??!!?!one

AndroBubbles

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2009

Mo/

16 Dec 2010 at 23:59 - 32

This makes me wonder if paragons are a profession in GW2. After all, Thackeray is a legend.

Arshay Duskbrow

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Sword of the Noble Rose

R/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:01 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zawk Tirson

Were you paying attention to the mini-quests as him at all? Or were you paying attention to the unlocked hero text?

The whole point of the quests was to have Thackeray learn how to be a leader. He leads the residents of Beetletun to resist the White Mantle. He gets those Paragon skills to reflect this.

The hero unlocked text specifically says that he was a former ranger who turned from a solitary hunter to a commanding leader.

I know that that is their flimsy excuse, and it's frankly ridiculous. A highly trained and experienced scout/archer is not going to give up doing that to become a cheerleader with javelins.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

17 Dec 2010 at 00:02 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndroBubbles

This makes me wonder if paragons are a profession in GW2. After all, Thackeray is a legend.

There won't be. Logan's class however, may have some "spiritual" similarities, which is what I believe motivated the change.

End

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

N/A

17 Dec 2010 at 00:05 - 35

does he come with a necro secondary with 8 copies of masochism?

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:08 - 36

ANET employee 1: "Hey guys, the players love the skin on Keiran's Bow. However, they wish that it was upgradeable...that's their only complaint."
ANET employee 2: "I've got! We'll give them an upgradeable version of the Rotwing Recurvebow!"
ANET employee 1: "GENIUS!"

...did I miss anything?

Zawk Tirson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2010

R/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:10 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

I know that that is their flimsy excuse, and it's frankly ridiculous. A highly trained and experienced scout/archer is not going to give up doing that to become a cheerleader with javelins.

So then why did you ask if there was any in-game basis for it, if you already knew the answer?

Soldiers turn into leaders all the time. Ever heard of Winston Churchill? He used to take part in cavalry charges. Then he decided to give up being a member of the elite cavalry to be a leader! It's a perfectly fine reason, with an explanation in the game.

Seems like a case where you decided that something is stupid before you really thought about it.

Hobbs

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Organised Spam [OS]

W/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:14 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDog91

...did I miss anything?

The class on how to spell "genius"? Hurr hurr hurr

Carboplatin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

[PIG]

W/A

17 Dec 2010 at 00:16 - 39

OMG HE CAN USE PVE SKILLS.

jk. If I still used my paragon, it might have been nice. With Soul Twisting rits, who needs imba's?

My para was my GWAMM, but with ST rits, I don't even use him anymore, what will I do with a hero?

ChrisCo

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

[ToR]

W/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:19 - 40

at least he is 2 extra storage spots

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

17 Dec 2010 at 00:21 - 41

Interesting note about his green bow: It comes pre-customized to your char, but is not only inscriptable, but will accept other bow mods as well.

But yeah, meh. I'll just add this to the other 2 paragon heroes I never use. Maybe we'll get some additional quests that require him at least.

Arshay Duskbrow

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2007

Sword of the Noble Rose

R/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:22 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zawk Tirson

So then why did you ask if there was any in-game basis for it, if you already knew the answer?

It's called a rhetorical question, and your analogy with Mr. Churchill doesn't really work, as Mr. Churchhill's leadership did not involve him going toe-to-toe with religious fanatics, inhuman sorcerers, and giant magical constructs, to say nothing of the regular Tyrian "wildlife"...

RedDog91

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2007

Farming for Nick gifts

R/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:25 - 43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hobbs

The class on how to spell "genius"? Hurr hurr hurr

sorry...I'm mentally distraught over the absence of a new jingle pet

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

17 Dec 2010 at 00:28 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Makai-

Any confirmation on whether or not he can be added to the HoM like M.O.X.?

I just checked... he can't be added... at least not as he comes. There's a chance he can be given deldrimor or brotherhood armor, I haven't checked yet.

AngelWJedi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2008

orlando,florida

Society of Souls [Argh]

Rt/E

17 Dec 2010 at 00:28 - 45

i would so love to hear from a derv about this new quest/hero time frame. i got chars that cant do it yet. so does this mean they miss out on a hero? and if he is supposed to be a para why not a green spear we can mod instead of a bow? not that its a bad thing just wondering. and where is the jingle pet. D: i wanted a new one this year!

BoondockSaint

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

R/Me

17 Dec 2010 at 00:29 - 46

"I don't understand why someone would forsake the fine art of being a Ranger to run around yelling at people..." Aidan

"Once when I was still learning the Necromatic arts I used bone minions to act out a wedding. The real thing is so much nicer, though. Especially without the groom's arms falling off." Nola

Seriously the wedding chitchat is really good. Whoever comes up with these should get a raise.

Charlie Dayman

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

Trifecta Luminati [TRI]

W/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:32 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer

I just checked... he can't be added... at least not as he comes. There's a chance he can be given deldrimor or brotherhood armor, I haven't checked yet.

Already tried. Did the Destroyer mission and tried to give Thackery the armor - his name isn't included in the hero listing.

MithranArkanere

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Nov 2006

wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigo

Heraldos de la Llama Oscura [HLO]

E/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:39 - 48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

This makes absolutely no sense. An elite sniper-bowmaster is suddenly a spearchucking motivational speaker? Is there any in-story basis for this at all? Any possible way to explain this beyond ANet wanting to shoehorn Thackeray into being a hero, with a profession that wasn't already maxed out at three?

Ironically, as a Ranger I might have used him. As a Paragon, I'll stick with Morgahn, the one with actual story reasons for being what he is. (Don't get me started on Hayda...)

You see it yourself while playing. They guy gets a new calling.
Rangers are loners.
Aidan may befriend and even flirt with with Zho, but it doesn't go beyond that.
To be with someone, you must be the kind of guy that prefers to be around more people, not just with your pet, and nothing says "You'll never fight alone" better than a paragon.

But that's just how I explain it. It could be any other reason, including the one you give. XD

As for changes in profession, players can't do that. But it look like NPCs can.
For example, Alari Double Blade was a ranger, and now is an Asassin.

Kosar The Cruel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2010

Ontario, Canada

D/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:43 - 49

Another hero that will never see the light of day... Until I get bored...

StormDragonZ

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2008

New York

W/R

17 Dec 2010 at 00:49 - 50

Am I the only person confused why he starts off with a bow and happens to be a Paragon?

Is ANet trying to tell me "Hey, ignore Spear Mastery when making up a build for Keiran. He wont need it."?

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

17 Dec 2010 at 00:51 - 51

Well, a new hero is always good. Though its pretty easy to predict since as a ranger he ended up learning two para skills by the end. Anyway, don't mind the extra para. Being able to run 4 paras + sogolon will be interesting. Probably add a mm, and orders and maybe a n/rt just to redbar stuff when 7 heroes gets here.

Now only a few more heroes to go till we got 3 of every class

Shadowmere

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

The Grim Squeakers [REAP]

N/

17 Dec 2010 at 00:55 - 52

Quote:

Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

Am I the only person confused why he starts off with a bow and happens to be a Paragon?

Is ANet trying to tell me "Hey, ignore Spear Mastery when making up a build for Keiran. He wont need it."?

Yeah this is...eh...very odd, I mean another para hero is nice and all, but wth? We're supposed to just forget he was obviously a ranger before hand? Even more perplexing is the fact that he starts with a spear mastery skill on his bar...

Hyperventilate

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

I Gots A Crayon [Blue]

Me/Mo

17 Dec 2010 at 00:55 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Polgara Val

I think I speak for the entire GW community when I say.......eh?

Pol

Totally, 100% agree'd.

I'm meh.... not really looking forward to a paragon hero... not like I use the few I've got already for anything except Incoming and Fall back.

:\

I am disappoint.

Gonzo_Neo

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

P/W

17 Dec 2010 at 01:07 - 54

No HoM slot for poor thackery ?

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

17 Dec 2010 at 01:10 - 55

Well, barrage/volley to spam adrenal shouts isn't a terrible idea. But I'd use a shortbow there for heroes.

` Marshmallow

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2009

Canadaa!

Last Friday Night [TGIF]

E/

17 Dec 2010 at 01:18 - 56

I want gwens flowers ):

snowman relic

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

your just a meatsheild to me

N/Mo

17 Dec 2010 at 01:18 - 57

i thought of it a couple times during thackery's quests but realized he probably wont be used much unless he gets his special skills

BenjZee

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Overacheivers [Club]

Mo/

17 Dec 2010 at 01:21 - 58

Just saying that amor set is mocking me! I WANT IT...and his suit for that matter.
The hero is named "Keiran Thackarey" and not leuitenant thus not changing your name when u enter an outpost with the same NPC.

sixdartbart

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Peace Machine GRRR [DiE]

W/N

17 Dec 2010 at 01:32 - 59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zawk Tirson

Soldiers turn into leaders all the time. Ever heard of Winston Churchill? He used to take part in cavalry charges. Then he decided to give up being a member of the elite cavalry to be a leader! It's a perfectly fine reason, with an explanation in the game.

Seems like a case where you decided that something is stupid before you really thought about it.

You miss a way better/easier example to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragorn and that would have saved you from some dumbass reponse like vvvvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arshay Duskbrow

It's called a rhetorical question, and your analogy with Mr. Churchill doesn't really work, as Mr. Churchhill's leadership did not involve him going toe-to-toe with religious fanatics, inhuman sorcerers, and giant magical constructs, to say nothing of the regular Tyrian "wildlife"...

There are some funnies with the npcs at the wedding

My Fav.... hahahaha

Dratyan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

D/

17 Dec 2010 at 01:50 - 60

So, is bringing both Gwen and Thackeray in the party a good idea? I'd rather not get involved in a couple's arguing...