DoA and FoW with heroes

My understanding of UW, FoW and DoA post update, with (relatively) balanced builds:

FoW NM: doable, easily
FoW HM: doable, easily - in fact I've even done it once with 6 heroes instead of 7, some of which weren't runed
UW NM: done with consumables, should still be doable without them
UW HM: unknown, possibly impossible
DoA City NM: doable, easily
DoA City HM: should still be doable, although not so easily
DoA Gloom NM: should be doable easily
DoA Gloom HM: should be doable, but not easy
DoA Foundry NM: doable, I just did it
DoA Foundry HM: might be impossible without consumabes, might be impossible even with it
DoA Veil NM: should be doable easily
DoA Veil HM: should still be doable, but not easy
DoA FR NM: Foundry is the hardest area and I just did it without super-specialized builds, so should be doable
DoA FR HM: done with consumables + perma Sin (it's a micro'ed SC, as Life Bringing put it ...), possibly impossible otherwise

It's a jungle out there in this new era

PS: I must say, the screenshot above is one of the most impressive ever that I've seen. What style!!

PPS: Update per below post. My understanding of DoA: get a SC team, breeze through in 38 minutes.

Ok, serious face now.. Should be easy with heroes + cons if you're tanking. I don't see PUGs tanking though, since they don't know the tiniest bit about how to DoA.. Also, P O M, you can cut down your time quite considerably if you go A/N and run LOD trench tactics^^ saves you the effort of having to pop shit in the trench, can save you at least 10 minutes in veil, more perhaps.

So, with an exp'ed person tanking + good heroes and good builds etc.

City: shouldn't take over 10 minutes.
Veil: if done with my suggestion above, seeing that TK'ing will be a bitch with the heroes thick AI, 25-30 minutes. Also, you'll have to pull lords first and do 360 after, which loses time. Pulling lords: 5:30 360: 4:30..
Gloom: glitching would be quite stupid if you ask me, although a panic on one of the heroes if you decide to glitch it would work wonders. But then again, not glitching would be hard too.. I'd glitch it anyway.. Upside: you can use your entire hero team to cap, so should be done quite fast, and Earths shouldn't wtfroflpwn you.. Downside, you'll have to be running around getting quests etc. My guess: 15 minutes.
Foundry: No being funky with the snakes, so this one is gonna take long imo. First 4 rooms: ~5 minutes. 5th room, big ball is way to risky, heroes will get owned, so my guess is a couple groups at a time.. This room can easily eat up 15 minutes on its own. After you killed everything, you can take the snakes using recall I guess, if you wanna be safe, add another 3 minutes to your run, but you shouldn't.

Adds up to: 1h10-1h15, which sounds pretty fast imo, so I think you could be done in 1h25-1h35. Easily, if you use the correct tactics.

Can someone please remind me again why Mercenary heroes do not give ingame advantage?
Or is it just me that 5 mesmer heroes pwn? Because 4 mesmer heroes isnt anymore powerful than 2 mesmer heroes plus 2 human mesmers.

I'm pretty sure you could optimise your 3 necs, 2 mesmers and 2 rits to work anywhere in the game.

7 heroes... for me it's the best thing to zoned out after work. Most balance team will own FoW in about 1hr (you and heroes). FoW no problem, but DoA doing Mallyx is an issue for me. Easy way out is to get pugs, but where's the challenge? Still working on the right team-built, but for sure need Consume Souls. Would love to see an ownage team-build and purge me of the yearning for Tormented weapons... Gwen is angry now coz Livia got all the good stuff.

Tun Nain Actually, the very few times I did mallyx with PUGs to reset my primeval armor remnants, I found out that PUGs are absolutely horrible at it, and I failed so many times I gave up. I'm gonna try again once I get to it, with my 7 shiny heroes, and I bet that it will be a lot easier.

DoA... Well even if it is now possible to run it with heroes, I doubt something is ever going to be more efficient and easier to run than Glaiveway in DoA glaiveway isnt the most efficent way to do doa.
mes spike builds that sc guilds use clear doa in 30-1hr glaiveway takes twice that time even on the best glaive teams

on topic ***
i can do doa in nm even mallyx with 3 discord necros 2 mesways a st rit and random dps with my main char running ua pretty well, faster than glaiveway in city and foundry.

the only issue is heroes are dumb they like to ball up and sit in aoe

Finally can do the Domain of Anguish without having to group up with other people and run shitbars. Took a while without using a single con and not being too familiar with the area, but wasn't too bad.
Well, sort of grats on pulling it off, if I have some spare time, and really nothing better to do, I might do it too, just to prove some point, perhaps, but some things that come to mind.

First: that is the tinniest compass I've ever seen Mine is at least 4 times that size, but that's besides the point^^

Second: I wouldn't call doing DoA NM with heroes in 3h40 minutes "pwningdomainofanguish"

Third: I don't see why you would do it in NM, with heroes, in more than 5 times the time it takes us to do it in HM. It doesn't prove you can do it, it proves you got too much time on your hands I mean, seriously, there has been a duo team who did it in 2h10 or something, HM

Could go on, but still^^ I wouldn't do it that way.

Well, sort of grats on pulling it off, if I have some spare time, and really nothing better to do, I might do it too, just to prove some point, perhaps, but some things that come to mind. Again, keep in mind that a lot of us have NEVER done these areas, so just the opportunity to be able to complete them regardless of the time is a worthwhile experience. (As I posted, it's pretty much impossible for me to ever commit time to a group and I'm sure I'm not the only one). Also, I'm sure his time was not continuous play. The beauty of being able to H/H it allows you to get up and take break, eat dinner, go to the bathroom, etc...

Bottom line, this update opened up a lot of Guild Wars to me that was realistically not accessible previously.

Bottom line, this update opened up a lot of Guild Wars to me that was realistically not accessible previously. Indeed. I hardly ever got into UW, FoW or DoA groups before. Finding a place in a group as an elly has become so difficult, and I completely suck at and hate UWSC. I like the bonding, but the UWSC always turns into a retard party of fail fail and fail.

I've only ever fully completed each elite area once with decent alliance groups.

Now I can simply take 7 heroes and play whatever I want. If I keep on failing UW and DoA like I am doing plenty, it doesnt matter one bit because I can just go again whenever I want.

Well, sort of grats on pulling it off, if I have some spare time, and really nothing better to do, I might do it too, just to prove some point, perhaps, but some things that come to mind.

First: that is the tinniest compass I've ever seen Mine is at least 4 times that size, but that's besides the point^^

Second: I wouldn't call doing DoA NM with heroes in 3h40 minutes "pwningdomainofanguish"

Third: I don't see why you would do it in NM, with heroes, in more than 5 times the time it takes us to do it in HM. It doesn't prove you can do it, it proves you got too much time on your hands I mean, seriously, there has been a duo team who did it in 2h10 or something, HM

Could go on, but still^^ I wouldn't do it that way.
He didnt used cons -> you may can compare it with hm.

Again, keep in mind that a lot of us have NEVER done these areas, so just the opportunity to be able to complete them regardless of the time is a worthwhile experience. (As I posted, it's pretty much impossible for me to ever commit time to a group and I'm sure I'm not the only one). Also, I'm sure his time was not continuous play. The beauty of being able to H/H it allows you to get up and take break, eat dinner, go to the bathroom, etc...

Bottom line, this update opened up a lot of Guild Wars to me that was realistically not accessible previously. True. I got to do the Deep a lot more now^^ Just with Heroes. My goal isn't killing Kanaxai, if I wanted that, I'd go on an ally run that takes ~15 minutes rather than spending 30-45minutes there (yes, HM, no cons). I just do it for the drops, not the end reward, I want oldskl, uninscr Zodiacs^^ Haven't gotten anything yet, but I'm hoping still^^

i can do doa in nm even mallyx with 3 discord necros 2 mesways a st rit and random dps with my main char running ua pretty well, faster than glaiveway in city and foundry. Done Mallyx with discordway the other day too It has been a nice experience since the only other times i met him was with Ursan and with a Glaiveway PUG, following blinding what others did.

Third: I don't see why you would do it in NM, with heroes, in more than 5 times the time it takes us to do it in HM. It doesn't prove you can do it, it proves you got too much time on your hands I mean, seriously, there has been a duo team who did it in 2h10 or something, HM

Could go on, but still^^ I wouldn't do it that way. What the others above said. And I haven't been to DoA much, mainly because only cookie-cutter crap is being run there, and people rely way too heavily on cons to win the game for them.
I just wanted to finally be able to clear the area doing it my own way, in a fairly balanced team, without the use of any cons. I don't mind that it takes time, I'm not in a hurry, and it's fun for me this way.=p But sure, if I were to plan on doing it on a regular base, I'd be looking for ways to speed it up yeah...=P

Second: I wouldn't call doing DoA NM with heroes in 3h40 minutes "pwningdomainofanguish" It took human players around 10 hours to complete a full run back in the day. Yes Enraged has been nerfed, but nice to see some people can actually clear the place without a dedicated tank build.

Second: I wouldn't call doing DoA NM with heroes in 3h40 minutes "pwningdomainofanguish" Yeah but giving normal people the chance to play, without grouping with a bunch of uppity farmers that would rage quit every group that isn't setting a speed record, is what it's really about.

Second: I wouldn't call doing DoA NM with heroes in 3h40 minutes "pwningdomainofanguish"

Third: I don't see why you would do it in NM, with heroes, in more than 5 times the time it takes us to do it in HM. It doesn't prove you can do it, it proves you got too much time on your hands I mean, seriously, there has been a duo team who did it in 2h10 or something, HM

Could go on, but still^^ I wouldn't do it that way. Stop using cons, 24 PvE-only skills and silly tank builds and see if you can do it in much less time.

A really good example on how 7 heroes don't break the game and how pve-only skills on heroes wouldn't break the game (probably would shove 90 minutes tops of his time).

I'm still failing at trying to do the City

I'll try and do it again, I will succeed! Which builds are you running? (Please upload a paw*ned2-pic so we can see then ;D)

Where are you failing? At Jadoth? ...

Heh gz.
But i think city is the easiest.. or did you finish the other areas with other realplayers? The other areas were already complete with real players yes. I'll try complete mallyx, and then try all the areas.