Originally Posted by John Stumme
Hey all, I wanted to share some news with everyone. As I’m sure you guys are all aware, we here at ArenaNet have really been ramping up on Guild Wars 2 in anticipation of our release this year. In order to ensure that we are putting out the best possible game, we here at the studio are going all hands on deck - this means that the Live Team will be shifting much of its focus to support the GW2 team. We’re going to be pretty busy, but we will still support the live game with balance updates and bug fixes – there’s also something special planned for our 7th Anniversary. I hope you’re all excited for it, and we’re really looking forward to seeing you all in GW and GW2!
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Live Team shifted over to work on GW2
DiogoSilva
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StormDragonZ
Concise Description: We have something special for the 7th Year Anniversary! After that, we don't know what the GO RED ENGINE we're going to do!
DiogoSilva
At least the balance skill updates are still in the work. When does the 7th anniversary starts?
Kook~NBK~
Ayuhmii Shanbwa
oh great, so.... will this be bad news in the future to GW players?
i start to think so
i'm not going to GW2, and may leave GW if nothing happens anymore.....
too bad we know so little, i cant be sure if GW will be better at parts
maybe it stays this way..... well, time will tell, and i hope not long time from now, as then i will start free MMO's to see which fits me best
i hope.... thats all i can do, but also doubt....
i start to think so
i'm not going to GW2, and may leave GW if nothing happens anymore.....
too bad we know so little, i cant be sure if GW will be better at parts
maybe it stays this way..... well, time will tell, and i hope not long time from now, as then i will start free MMO's to see which fits me best
i hope.... thats all i can do, but also doubt....
Star_Jewel
Wow. I could see ANet wanting to keep their anniversary dates the same, and they did say way back when that they wanted to release the game very close to the public beta. However, they're horrible with deadlines, and what I've been hearing kind of made me doubt if they'd be ready in time for that. Wonder if pulling all available staff onto the project is a desperate push to make it happen after all....
Anyway, I'm sure once GW2 is released, it will free up a few people to devote some time to GW1. Hopefully we'll still see Elonian Beyond content at some point before all is said and done (unless that's what gets released at the anniversary).
Anyway, I'm sure once GW2 is released, it will free up a few people to devote some time to GW1. Hopefully we'll still see Elonian Beyond content at some point before all is said and done (unless that's what gets released at the anniversary).
Mister_Smiley
I wouldn't take as much, companies to this a lot, just means Anet needs extra help most likely for the use of getting the game ready for a huge server load come April 20th, given that is the next Beta and will have a lot more people in it.
Most likely when they are done doing what ever on Gw2 they will be back on Gw1.
Most likely when they are done doing what ever on Gw2 they will be back on Gw1.
Lanier
this... is... awful. They needed more people on the live team, not less. I mean the ratio of people working on GW2 to the people working on GW1 was already sort of rediculous. If we can expect this kind of support in GW2 after the game comes out... well I may have to reconsider whether or not I really want to buy another anet game The lack of regular updates isn't a recent occurance either - it has been going on for a long time now and has only gotten worse.
Last I knew, there were roughly 100 people working on GW2 and 4 on the GW1 live team. My wish would have been for them to double the size of the GW1 team to 8ish, as this would only decrease the GW2 team by 4%. Instead... they are going to increase the GW2 team by 4% and decrease GW1 support even further???
I don't know if the GW2 team and GW1 team are still (or I guess "were" still) composed of exactly this many people (I know it was a 100:4 ratio about half a year ago), but the point still stands.
Last I knew, there were roughly 100 people working on GW2 and 4 on the GW1 live team. My wish would have been for them to double the size of the GW1 team to 8ish, as this would only decrease the GW2 team by 4%. Instead... they are going to increase the GW2 team by 4% and decrease GW1 support even further???
I don't know if the GW2 team and GW1 team are still (or I guess "were" still) composed of exactly this many people (I know it was a 100:4 ratio about half a year ago), but the point still stands.
jcegt87
this is like a shift change at the local police dept, hackers and bots are gonna have a hay day now
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this... is... awful. They needed more people on the live team, not less. I mean the ratio of people working on GW2 to the people working on GW1 was already sort of rediculous. If we can expect this kind of support in GW2 after the game comes out... well I may have to reconsider whether or not I really want to buy another anet game The lack of regular updates isn't a recent occurance either - it has been going on for a long time now and has only gotten worse.
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Seriously? Guild Wars has to have the best content : price ratio of any major non-F2P game in recent history. Are you going to abandon GW to pick up one of the fabulous games that charges $60 for 5 hours of gameplay and $10 DLC for every further 30 mins?
sykoone
This is most likely a temporary shift, until GW2 is released. It's pretty standard for developers to put all their resources on a single product right before release, so it's not surprising. However, since he did say they would still do balance updates, it's not a total shift. We haven't been abandoned just yet.
Jeydra
Et tu, Live Team? Then fall, Guild Wars!
Lanier
GW is the only MMO that I play. If I "abandoned" GW, then I simply wouldn't play an MMO (unless another intriguing F2P came along in the future). I'm not saying just yet that I'm going to abandon GW, but the lack of dev support seriously disturbs me. I'm not just talking about this announcement either. For a long time now, we have had increasingly infrequent updates and a philosophy toward the implimentation of skill updates that I think has gotten increasingly worse. If dev support is so bad now, then whats to say it wont be the same after GW2 expansions are done and GW3 is announced? Are they going to abandon GW2 then and shift the vast majority of their resources away from support? Thats what they've done now, and its really disappointing.
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GW is the only MMO that I play. If I "abandoned" GW, then I simply wouldn't play an MMO (unless another intriguing F2P came along in the future). I'm not saying just yet that I'm going to abandon GW, but the lack of dev support seriously disturbs me. I'm not just talking about this announcement either. For a long time now, we have had increasingly infrequent updates and a philosophy toward the implimentation of skill updates that I think has gotten increasingly worse. If dev support is so bad now, then whats to say it wont be the same after GW2 expansions are done and GW3 is announced? Are they going to abandon GW2 then and shift the vast majority of their resources away from support? Thats what they've done now, and its really disappointing.
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Obviously getting less sucks (I want a ranger update PLZKTHX), but pretending that guild wars hasn't had an amazing level of support for the relatively small amount of cash I paid for the game is ludacris. Developers are expensive, you can't deliver an infinite stream of content off a 1 time payment.
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Obviously getting less sucks (I want a ranger update PLZKTHX), but pretending that guild wars hasn't had an amazing level of support for the relatively small amount of cash I paid for the game is ludacris. Developers are expensive, you can't deliver an infinite stream of content off a 1 time payment.
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Pyrthas
And I think Kunder's point was that while it might be nice to have people continually working on GW, it's not as though any of us can complain that we haven't gotten our money's worth, or that we somehow deserve more devs working on it. And also that it makes perfect sense for Anet to have everybody working on the one basket that they're putting all their eggs into.
(Even if that wasn't Kunder's point, it's mine!)
Maybe they'll bring people back to work on GW after GW2 ships. Or maybe they won't. Maybe GW has run its course and it's time for everybody to move on. It sucks for those of us that still like GW and want lots new GW stuff to do, but it's hardly some sort of injustice.
(Even if that wasn't Kunder's point, it's mine!)
Maybe they'll bring people back to work on GW after GW2 ships. Or maybe they won't. Maybe GW has run its course and it's time for everybody to move on. It sucks for those of us that still like GW and want lots new GW stuff to do, but it's hardly some sort of injustice.
Lanier
Then thats your opinion and I respect your opinion. My opinion is that discontinuing support (almost at least) for GW1 prior to the release of GW2 reflects poorly on anet, regardless of how much I paid for the game, for the reasons I said in prior posts.
cosyfiep
their use of their resources does sound a bit poorly planned.
It seems however, that they dont have enough people to properly handle both games--which does not bode well for gw2 or gw1 in the future.
Though I believe we have all seen this in the past (canceled utopia etc), so I am not so sure why this is such a big surprise.
I can hope that they will still work on gw1 even after gw2's release as others (and I) will still be playing this game and not that one, but I am not holding my breath on that one either as many things we have been told have been changed down the road (too many to name).
It seems however, that they dont have enough people to properly handle both games--which does not bode well for gw2 or gw1 in the future.
Though I believe we have all seen this in the past (canceled utopia etc), so I am not so sure why this is such a big surprise.
I can hope that they will still work on gw1 even after gw2's release as others (and I) will still be playing this game and not that one, but I am not holding my breath on that one either as many things we have been told have been changed down the road (too many to name).
yitjuan
I agree. They should just discontinue the game if they're not going to have anyone working on support it rather than leave it idle on.
Masseur
hmmm, I didn't read anywhere that they had no support for the game, but that those working on content other than the anniversary stuff were pulled for GW2 temporarily. It's obvious there is a huge following for GW1, so nothing anyone says here will change their obvious support that will continue for this game. However, they are a company, one that has to make money to continue either game, so they will need to release another game after 7 years. Something that will continue bringing in the money.
EPO Bot
DOOOOOM!!!! OMG GW IS DOOOOOOMED!!!
Meh, all GW 1 needs to do is running smoothly. You all got your moneys worth out of it years ago and all updates have been freebies. You guys sound like you are paying a subsciption.
Meh, all GW 1 needs to do is running smoothly. You all got your moneys worth out of it years ago and all updates have been freebies. You guys sound like you are paying a subsciption.
Elnino
Is this a temporary shift in focus until GW2 is released or will this be the way it is from now on, even after GW2 is released?
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Is this a temporary shift in focus until GW2 is released or will this be the way it is from now on, even after GW2 is released?
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At least, the good point is that they're clear for once: they will only do balances and bug fixes, that means we don't have to expect anything for PvP in the future, so i'm basically done with it.. I'm still sad that i predicted almost everything for months and now i can predict that the game will be farmed everywhere by bots and abusers after GW2 release...
akelarumi
What a panic over nothing. The game won't stop working. The live team is not repsonsable for operations. NCsoft is repsonsable for the servers running the game and the support team (the ones preventing bots and hackers, or atleast they are trying to). This isn't changed. They are merely stating that they won't develop new content for the game (at least for the time being). They obviously finished the birthday-content (new gifts). The first festival that needs a new content is halloween. Though they might decide to automate stop developping new masks and birthday gifts.
The only news is that they won't make a beyond episode in Nightfall, but there have never been solid plans for that as far as I know. Arenanet promised to keep GW running, they never promised to keep developing it.
The only news is that they won't make a beyond episode in Nightfall, but there have never been solid plans for that as far as I know. Arenanet promised to keep GW running, they never promised to keep developing it.
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Arenanet promised to keep GW running, they never promised to keep developing it.
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Honestly after reading this I really doubt they'll do any bug fixes or balances at all in the future. They hardly did already in the last period of time, now that they're all shifted I see nothing coming, at all.
As someone said, it shows how anet is being poorly organized. They never can calculate what they're able to do. They don't have enough time, they don't have enough people...clearly it suggests nothing good.
I think gw will be freezed at the current state and we can expect at max to have servers still running and something automated, but nothing more. And I bet gw2 will be poorly supported and developed, seeing their actual situation...it's good that I was never interested in it, or I would now start thinking to abandon the project.
Just my thoughts and a bit much bitterness.
Dark-NighT
Honestly i think people are overreacting a little bit, they need all the manpower they can get and for now that means including the gw1 live team, for some reaon i am pretty sure that the live team will get back to it shortly after the launch of guild wars 2.
If i was in the directors seat, i would do the same thing.
If i was in the directors seat, i would do the same thing.
rb.widow
There maybe quite a few ppl still playing GW after GW2 Launch seeing as the announced last night via there facebook page that GW2 is region locked but country, meaning if you travel you cannot play, but there looking for a solution.
And from reading the 400 odd replies to it, it would also seem that, if you try and buy the game from the US to install in the UK ( because its like 40% cheaper ) it will not work either, because the games are region locked too.
You'd figure a game thats been 4 years in the making, they should have had this problem sorted, or at least warned people along time in advance not 4 days before Pre-Purshase.
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Guild Wars 2 Here are some answers and clarifications for you! First, if you purchase the game from https://buy.guildwars2.com/ you'll automatically be sorted into the right region. And don't worry -- we want you to play with your friends wherever you are. This policy only affects where you can login from -- not which worlds you can access. People from NA will be able to play with people from EU at launch. We've got two datacenters -- one in NA and one in EU. Those who do not fall into either of those two regions will default to the NA datacenter. Finally, we are aware that a lot of our players travel, and we are looking into a solution for you. Hope that helps some! ~RB2 |
You'd figure a game thats been 4 years in the making, they should have had this problem sorted, or at least warned people along time in advance not 4 days before Pre-Purshase.
Demon's Dance
I hope it's late April Fool's joke if not ... They are moving people from GW1 to GW2 instead of hiring new ones => either they are in bad financial shape or they really don't give a s*** anymore about an old game = there are no projects. And I can't imagine GW with even less updates.
Do not think I am not grateful. Quite the opposite. If WiK and WoC were an expansion I would have bought it. If they announce new stuff(content) I will buy it. **** if I get those Ranger / Para updates I will even give a chance to GW2 ... but if it "kills" GW ... meh.
What kind of sick marketing move is this? Advertising your sequel(the day before its preorder) by leaving behind the prequel. WTF! Definitely it's all about the money ... but at least before it was well-hidden(or I'm getting smarter ).
Do not think I am not grateful. Quite the opposite. If WiK and WoC were an expansion I would have bought it. If they announce new stuff(content) I will buy it. **** if I get those Ranger / Para updates I will even give a chance to GW2 ... but if it "kills" GW ... meh.
What kind of sick marketing move is this? Advertising your sequel(the day before its preorder) by leaving behind the prequel. WTF! Definitely it's all about the money ... but at least before it was well-hidden(or I'm getting smarter ).
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As someone said, it shows how anet is being poorly organized. They never can calculate what they're able to do. They don't have enough time, they don't have enough people...clearly it suggests nothing good.
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They didn't really get what to do. At first, PvP is supposed to be the endgame after you cleared all you could do in PvE, but they never really developped PvP, so most players stood in PvE and the few PvP'ers started to leave.. Most players kept playing PvE thinking there would be change along months, but considering we " only" had a couple of new quests since 2007( those are taking place on cantha or tyria, no new areas.), and we're told something like " that's it for GW1" ...
We can just hope GW2 to be a great game actually, else there will be huge disappointments from many i guess
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Then thats your opinion and I respect your opinion. My opinion is that discontinuing support (almost at least) for GW1 prior to the release of GW2 reflects poorly on anet, regardless of how much I paid for the game, for the reasons I said in prior posts.
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You have not yet given any reasons that this actually reflects poorly on Anet. You've said what you wish for ("My wish would have been for them to double the size of the GW1 team to 8ish, as this would only decrease the GW2 team by 4%"), and you've explained that this is not what you expect from them ("If we can expect this kind of support in GW2 after the game comes out... well I may have to reconsider whether or not I really want to buy another anet game."), but you haven't explained why yet.
Do you think we deserve more than we've currently gotten? Why? Do you think Anet has an obligation to continue providing content for the game? Why? (What would the content look like? Free updates like GWB? Paid updates like BMP?) Kunder was, I think, suggesting that to say that we deserve more than we've gotten is to hold Anet to far, far higher standards than any game developer currently meets.
Nobody is denying that this is, in some sense, disappointing. But one way to be disappointing is just to not be what we want. Rain can be disappointing if you want to go for a hike, but that doesn't mean you deserved sunshine.
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Do you think we deserve more than we've currently gotten? Why? Do you think Anet has an obligation to continue providing content for the game? Why? (What would the content look like? Free updates like GWB? Paid updates like BMP?) Kunder was, I think, suggesting that to say that we deserve more than we've gotten is to hold Anet to far, far higher standards than any game developer currently meets.
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So they added new content yes, but are quests that can all be done in a week at best really that a big content upon a 4 years scale ? Also, do you think we would have had all of these if costumes didn't encounter such a success ?
Personnaly, i would still say that the job they did in PvE is good, but awful in PvP and i just hope that GW2 will take into account GW1 problems..
Pyrthas
1. Yeah, pvp's been way more neglected than pve.
2. But that's getting to a different issue. So far you're still just listing things that are disappointing. The question isn't what more could they have done that would've been cool. (Rangers and paragons spring to mind. And I still miss TA before it became super degenerate.) It's whether it's reasonable to expect more of them--whether pulling the live team really does reflect poorly on Anet. They haven't addressed all the community's requests and concerns. That's certainly true. But that only reflects poorly on Anet if it's reasonable to expect them to address (at least many of) those requests and concerns.
Of course nobody's saying Anet has been perfect. (Or, at least, I hope nobody's been saying that!) They've made lots of mistakes. If you (generic, not you particularly) think that the mistakes they've made over the years are substantial enough that you don't want to buy GW2, that could make sense. But that's about whether the changes they've already made were the right changes. That's separate from the question of whether we have reason to expect them to put more resources into GW, either right now or in the future.
2. But that's getting to a different issue. So far you're still just listing things that are disappointing. The question isn't what more could they have done that would've been cool. (Rangers and paragons spring to mind. And I still miss TA before it became super degenerate.) It's whether it's reasonable to expect more of them--whether pulling the live team really does reflect poorly on Anet. They haven't addressed all the community's requests and concerns. That's certainly true. But that only reflects poorly on Anet if it's reasonable to expect them to address (at least many of) those requests and concerns.
Of course nobody's saying Anet has been perfect. (Or, at least, I hope nobody's been saying that!) They've made lots of mistakes. If you (generic, not you particularly) think that the mistakes they've made over the years are substantial enough that you don't want to buy GW2, that could make sense. But that's about whether the changes they've already made were the right changes. That's separate from the question of whether we have reason to expect them to put more resources into GW, either right now or in the future.
akelarumi
It's starting to get funny in this thread. Anet's financial plan is based on how much games they sell. You can't expect a game without!! monthly fee be supported that we as a customer snap our fingers and they change/fix things.
At the moment Anet is prolly investing (loosing) money and not making money. And this investment isn't going to be paid of by a 7 year old game, but by a brand new game. So it is very logic to put all hands on deck for releasing it as soon as possible within their quality standards.
Instead of wining bout what they didn't do, I would like to thank Anet and specially the live team for all the updates we got for free. We didn't ask for them when we bought the game, they didn't promise them, but I really enjoyed GuildWars Beyond, Nicholas the traveler, dervish update, mesmer update, ele update, etc, etc, etc. So thank you. Some updates could have been better, but all have been fun.
At the moment Anet is prolly investing (loosing) money and not making money. And this investment isn't going to be paid of by a 7 year old game, but by a brand new game. So it is very logic to put all hands on deck for releasing it as soon as possible within their quality standards.
Instead of wining bout what they didn't do, I would like to thank Anet and specially the live team for all the updates we got for free. We didn't ask for them when we bought the game, they didn't promise them, but I really enjoyed GuildWars Beyond, Nicholas the traveler, dervish update, mesmer update, ele update, etc, etc, etc. So thank you. Some updates could have been better, but all have been fun.
DiogoSilva
Here's the answer. It has nothing to do with Anet's poor resource management, especially considering GW2's Live Team is supposed to be rather sizable once it's formed.
There's still support for GW1, there'll still be bug fixes (you can just go over the official forums and report new bugs, as always), and the ele's/ paragon's/ ranger's skill update is still being worked on, regrdless of how much time it might take.
It's just that GW: Beyond content has ender or has been halted. Still, we have 28th April to look forward to an update that is supposed to be "surprising" to us all. I personally loved last year's birthday update (Razah's profession switching, high-poly in towns, an HM quest, the flux, localizing friends, etc), so let's see what they have prepared for us this year.
There's still support for GW1, there'll still be bug fixes (you can just go over the official forums and report new bugs, as always), and the ele's/ paragon's/ ranger's skill update is still being worked on, regrdless of how much time it might take.
It's just that GW: Beyond content has ender or has been halted. Still, we have 28th April to look forward to an update that is supposed to be "surprising" to us all. I personally loved last year's birthday update (Razah's profession switching, high-poly in towns, an HM quest, the flux, localizing friends, etc), so let's see what they have prepared for us this year.
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I hope it's late April Fool's joke if not ... They are moving people from GW1 to GW2 instead of hiring new ones => either they are in bad financial shape or they really don't give a s*** anymore about an old game = there are no projects. And I can't imagine GW with even less updates.
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Using the Live Team makes sense, and they'll be back at their posts eventually.
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You have not yet given any reasons that this actually reflects poorly on Anet. You've said what you wish for ("My wish would have been for them to double the size of the GW1 team to 8ish, as this would only decrease the GW2 team by 4%"), and you've explained that this is not what you expect from them ("If we can expect this kind of support in GW2 after the game comes out... well I may have to reconsider whether or not I really want to buy another anet game."), but you haven't explained why yet.
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As for my opinions regarding GW2 support, I don't really know what to think. I was just pointing out that dev support and regular updates are important and if we aren't going to have those in GW2 (as we haven't had much of for a long time now in GW1)... well lets just say that it will serve as a downside when I decide whether or not I want to play GW2.
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Do you think we deserve more than we've currently gotten? Why? Do you think Anet has an obligation to continue providing content for the game? Why? (What would the content look like? Free updates like GWB? Paid updates like BMP?) Kunder was, I think, suggesting that to say that we deserve more than we've gotten is to hold Anet to far, far higher standards than any game developer currently meets.
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Shalazar
Absolutely. People here seem incapable of grasping the fact that new people buy and start playing guild wars all the time. While you may have been playing it for 90,000 hours there are people who just bought the game yesterday. They deserve an active support team and updates. If anet has no intent to continue supporting the game they need to disclose that when they keep taking people's money instead of misleading them.
Tryndamere
They should at least honor us with one big final skill update that makes PvE and PvP fun again before they completely let GW1 go. I really wish I'd see some buffs to certain skills to shake up the meta one last time. They should increase the amount of build-variety in all professions so that there's at least 3 different builds with great synergy, and that make sense. After this update, all they should be doing is tweaking skills if they prove to be OP. Just sayin', seeing Smiter's Boon, and other skills like it that're nerfed into oblivion, isn't exactly thrilling, and shouldn't be left like this when there's just sooo much potential for improvements.
Koyote
I'll never forget Anet abandoned AB!