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ricocheting

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/D

24 Feb 2006 at 22:46 - 161

no other group is critizised and yelled at for actual gameplay than a monk. my ranger, my warrior, my necro, the only time you'll get yelled at while playing one of those is if you aren't careful and aggro something you shouldn't.

no other class is yelled at for HOW they play than a monk. if a ranger/necro/mesmer screws up, the rest of the party very likely won't even notice except something might take longer to kill. if on the off chance a monk makes a mistake, god forbid ... everybody hears about it

those of you saying monks don't have a case/need to shut up, have you actually played a monk for a pick-up-group in a higher level area (i'm not talking about with people from your friends list or from your guild), talking about a random group.

that said, get a grip. it's just a bunch of people having some fun. come join in Thunderhead Keep and have some fun shouting dumb slogans

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

24 Feb 2006 at 22:51 - 162

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

The most untrue statement in this thread (not counting opinions and such). It's 50% more damage. Double damage on a Warrior isn't that big of a deal anyway because Warriors don't generally take much damage except against spikes, in high-level areas, and when you're already screwed.

Frenzy: For 8 seconds you attack 33% faster, but take double (100% more) damage.

Chewblaha I

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Crimson Invasion [TCI]

Me/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 22:52 - 163

IGN: Chewblaha I

i was the fourth to join the strike! then i left my comp on four 4 hours while i was in class now only monks are in THK d1

it's quite awesome

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

24 Feb 2006 at 22:54 - 164

i started a strike in english 1: result: an 8 monk team
my guildie left to make room for my gf ..she needs thk on her ranger

my slogan was: monks on strike, monks on strike, we won't even heal a spike!

Chewblaha I

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2006

The Crimson Invasion [TCI]

Me/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 22:55 - 165

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

i started a strike in english 1: result: an 8 monk team
my guildie left to make room for my gf ..she needs thk on her ranger

my slogan was: monks on strike, monks on strike, we won't even heal a spike!

mine was:

No deal, we won't heal

then it caught on

fintor

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

24 Feb 2006 at 22:56 - 166

I am going to join that strike when i get home. Not because i have been abused but just because too many people are taking this way to seriously. I am just gonna go there and dance and try to get friends to come along, though i dont think i will last 20 mins before i get bored and go off and do some farming or work on another character.

AeroLion

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

24 Feb 2006 at 22:57 - 167

I thought this was going to be fun with people just messing around and not taking it seriously so I took my monk into THK to join in the festivities. I was hoping for something silly and amusing. Unfortunately, I found the exact opposite. Such a pity.

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Feb 2006 at 23:01 - 168

Quote:

Originally Posted by Studio Ghibli

No, no.

Monk A was AFK dancing in THK Mission Area. Not the actual mission. Just, you know, the area. Monk B starts dancing with Monk A--and then Monk B insults a warrior. Hilarity ensues.

........with sexy results

Esprit

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dvd Forums [DVDF]

E/

24 Feb 2006 at 23:04 - 169

Checked out THK... the monks are still at it.

In my opinion it's getting out of hand. Sure it was kind of cute earlier, but now it's getting old.

It would be awesome if ANET decided to close THK for a while, so that people would cool their heads.

tuperwho

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Tenacious Knights of Doom [TKD]

24 Feb 2006 at 23:07 - 170

Quote:

Originally Posted by ricocheting

no other group is critizised and yelled at for actual gameplay than a monk. my ranger, my warrior, my necro, the only time you'll get yelled at while playing one of those is if you aren't careful and aggro something you shouldn't.

no other class is yelled at for HOW they play than a monk. if a ranger/necro/mesmer screws up, the rest of the party very likely won't even notice except something might take longer to kill. if on the off chance a monk makes a mistake, god forbid ... everybody hears about it

those of you saying monks don't have a case/need to shut up, have you actually played a monk for a pick-up-group in a higher level area (i'm not talking about with people from your friends list or from your guild), talking about a random group.

that said, get a grip. it's just a bunch of people having some fun. come join in Thunderhead Keep and have some fun shouting dumb slogans

LOL. No other class, right? How 'bout the warriors? Oh wait, that's how this whole thing started.

/cough hypocrite /cough

Anyway, more power to ya, monks. Personally, I find this all pretty humorous, as I did a me/mo as a healer through the desert and southern shiverpeaks, just cuz. And yes, I always asked for feedback and was told I was better that most monk primaries :P

So, basically, if this is in fun or whatever, I'm all for it. However, to those on both sides taking this way too seriously, get over it. A good player of any class rarely gets the praise he/she deserves. Monks are certainly not alone in this category. The big difference is that an incompetent monk will show a whole lot earlier/easier than other classes.

Big Fiz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

24 Feb 2006 at 23:11 - 171

Hows the strike going?

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Feb 2006 at 23:12 - 172

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

Respect.

Nobody gets it cause nobody gives it.

I went to UW last night. Paid for the group. Had to, cause I'm the ranger. Trapper, BTW. Full WS and high expertise, can solo trap enough to lay waste to a group of Aatxes. But I'm not a solo player, I enjoy camaraderie in group and besides, I need backup (rangers, the do anything class, do need help sometimes) so I was carrying other people. I ended up getting through 4 groups of mobs because our warriors were drawing ALL the aatxes to the traps meant for one group.

The nuker refused to nuke, the mesmer tripped over their skill bar (backfiring an aatxe?) and the poor poor monk was stuck with trying to manage all that.

But, NOBODY listened to the directions I was calling, EVERYONE ran in eight different directions, and without my spike build I couldn't drop them fast enough for us to survive.

If people (monks, rangers, whatever) want respect, they have to earn it. I wanted to throw rocks at everyone in that group.

Besides, you want an underappreciated group, take rangers. We can replace wa/mos any day (yes, I can out-dps a hammer warrior.), know all about energy conservation and aggro control, can interrupt, spike, trap, prevent resurrection (can a monk do that?), pull, call and generally be a team unto ourselves (seen it with 8 man trapper teams). Yet we're called ineffective and stupid because a few of us wanna be rambo.

We have been consistently denied groups since the release, yet we still continue to play. Most of us don't even say anything about not being able to find a group, we call guildies/take henches cause we KNOW unless it's something special nobody wants us.

Maybe we should strike.

The thing is, the inept masses dont rely on you, as a Ranger, to keep them alive when you do something stupid. You see they are doing something dumb and all you can do is the same thing you always do well....interrupt, trap, and keep shooting.

When a situation like the one you just described happens, we Monks start having heart attacks because we are suddenly required to be in 4-5 different places at once by people who we know are depending on us. We go through hell for those people and then get insulted when they die no matter how good we are. You never hear a dead whammo say, "Why weren't you helping me, Ranger?!?!?!?!"...no, they blame us.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rangers. Rangers, Mesmers, Necros, and Monks are where the fun's at

Kerrick??

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/E

24 Feb 2006 at 23:14 - 173

====== MONKS ON STRIKE =======

We won't Protect until we get Repect.

twicky_kid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quite Vulgar [FUN]

24 Feb 2006 at 23:18 - 174

Hhhmmmm....Monks on strike

I think I see my what my money maker for the day is

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

24 Feb 2006 at 23:19 - 175

Ok how long has this been going on for. At first its funny but NOT ALL WARRIORS ARE NOOBS.

I have created a monk and a warrior. I only person that insulted me as a monk was a mesmer. Warriors get no respect even if I do a REALLY good job. No one says thanks for holding the monsters from kicking the crap out of the monk etc.

Mellia Darkstar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Empire Of the Underworld

E/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:19 - 176

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerrick¹

====== MONKS ON STRIKE =======

We won't Protect until we get Repect.

This is not a good way to get respect towards others. If you havent been respected before has a monk you should think of getting another profession since obviously your not all that good.

This is getting seriously out of hand, seeing monks doing mission and ruining it at the end is not helping anyone.

A sad day this is, but reminding us how henchmen altho stupid are much better.

Van Falcon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Aussie Crypt Raiders

R/Me

24 Feb 2006 at 23:25 - 177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orbberius

I repeat again: you don't need any monks but Lina and Alesia for this mission. Hopefully people will realize this. I'm pretty sure I can hench any mission in the game, fairly easily.

And PvE monks have it so damn easy. PvP enemies don't wait for you to regen. PvP monks rarely get batteries as crutches for actual skill either.

You need to get over your player monk hate

.

Anyway, in PVE your teammates are the ones who don't wait for you to regen. Also I rarely have a battery in the team I'm in and I certainly never ask for one.

Glad you can hench the game, personally I would rather play with real people.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

24 Feb 2006 at 23:28 - 178

TO ALL WHO ACTUALLY KNOW THE ANSWER, a question for serious players only

isnt one of the main problems the person or persons who charge off and cant wait until everybodies skills and energy have filled up before going on to the next mob?

Englishkid

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rage Quit Incorperated

N/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:30 - 179

The strike has stopped crisis averted

Van Falcon

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Aussie Crypt Raiders

R/Me

24 Feb 2006 at 23:35 - 180

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken Dei

Everyone gets disrespected evenly over time.

Monks are always the first to take the blame in my experience. It kind of makes sense, in theory a monk can always stop someone from dying right? Of course we can only do so much...

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:36 - 181

I've never seen so much retarded in one place before.

They're called henchmen.Look into em.

Orbberius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

24 Feb 2006 at 23:39 - 182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Van Falcon

Anyway, in PVE your teammates are the ones who don't wait for you to regen. Also I rarely have a battery in the team I'm in and I certainly never ask for one.

Regen is for monks without energy management. This is something most PvE monks lack, because they never needed to do it, as PvE has a very relaxed pace.

Quote:

Glad you can hench the game, personally I would rather play with real people.

I mostly play PvE to get it done quick and get my skills anyway. I would rather play with and against real people.

Giggles

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

[MOAN]

R/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:44 - 183

Lol, This is so cute. I got on my puter at 7am this morning, there was a group that failed thuderkeep and the warrior was yelling at the monk for it in ThunderKeep.

The monk of course Yelled back and what not then starting screaming "STRIKE FOR MONKS".

So i being really really bored went to every Dis in every town of the game saying " MONKS ON STRIKE @THUNDERHEADKEEP!! COME SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW MONKS!!"

And well after a hour of going to every town in every dis I was able to get 3 dis of Thuder Full of Monks danceing and Screaming STRIKE!.

It was cute.

And its still going on I LOVE THIS GAME!

Sly Sniper

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Guild Rockers

R/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:46 - 184

i think there should be more monks that are willing to help teams out its become harder and harder to find good monks for tough missions & quests

Lord Iowerth

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Atlanta, GA (#guildwarsguru FTW!)

Biscuit Of Dewm [MEEP]

R/Mo

24 Feb 2006 at 23:52 - 185

This thread has me cracking up ... first, my two personal favorite things here:

1)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Striderkaaru

what's a mesmer?

EDIT: I'm quite sure he knows, this is sarcasm at it's finest ... moving on.

and

2)

Quote:

Originally Posted by some monk

NBC breaking news: alesia has been kidnapped by the alliance of federated wammos !!

in this post's image.

I had to stop reading, move away from my coworkers, and laugh very loud somewhere out in the hallway

Anyway, it's been said over and over and over again that monks don't get enough respect ... this part I agree with ... however: they are no more deserving of respect than any other class, they just happen to get the blame for most problems since their errors (percieved or actual) are more apparent to the whole party than any other class.

For example, sure you can see the pink-bar of a monster who is hexed ... is that your necro? your mesmer? what hex is it and is it helping? You can't tell.

Can you see your entire party's health bar at the right side of the screen? Yep. and as soon as someone is low, or dead, everyone will point the finger at the monk ... who is often not to blame.

And one more thing: I play both a monk and a warrior character ... and the reason warriors are blamed the most often is because they ARE out front, clearly visible to anyone behind them, and are more under the microscope as well: you have to find the balance of being far enough out that you take aggro, and not heading out when everyone isn't ready or can't reach you.

Life's lesson for today? You can spend a few hours blaming and whining, or a few minutes helping and correcting ...

sysfailur

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

CMB

24 Feb 2006 at 23:56 - 186

I will admit it is extremely annoying when you're able to heal the entire group but the people in it make it so it's not possible (read: bonder setup w/ healing). I don't understand why people feel the need to rambo in all the time.

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

W/

24 Feb 2006 at 23:57 - 187

We need the big boys at MATH to take out the 8 leaders of the Monks.

MATH we need your help!!!

MinaDrakul

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Houston, TX

Arcane Nexus

N/R

24 Feb 2006 at 23:57 - 188

*GWN Update*

The eles have now joined the Strike. As far as this reporter can tell, you must pay for healing and nuking. This is live from GWN, Mina Drakul reporting.

(GWN=Guild Wars News)

4runner

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cali!!!

cdxx/the420th.com

Mo/N

25 Feb 2006 at 00:05 - 189

Quote:

Originally Posted by sysfailur

I will admit it is extremely annoying when you're able to heal the entire group but the people in it make it so it's not possible (read: bonder setup w/ healing). I don't understand why people feel the need to rambo in all the time.

Well i think that has to do with the fact that most Warrior's prior to playing Gw, were in some way or another an FPS gamer and with that basic concept they will always rambo in, CS:S,COD,BF2,Doom,Unreal T, etc etc!!!

I have played all those games and i do recall ramboing quite often its a hard habit to break, but fun none the less. But in those games there is no such thing as aggroo!!

Anyway cant wait to get home and play some GW!!!!!

Pyromaniac

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Temple of the Ages

Rt/

25 Feb 2006 at 00:06 - 190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

TO ALL WHO ACTUALLY KNOW THE ANSWER, a question for serious players only

isnt one of the main problems the person or persons who charge off and cant wait until everybodies skills and energy have filled up before going on to the next mob?

Yes, it's the Leeroy Jenkins factor...the reason I'm sometimes embarrassed to play my warrior and the main reason my monk is a pretty much a storage toon.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

25 Feb 2006 at 00:07 - 191

I always use hench monks anyway. I have yet to meet a monk player that can do anything that the AI in the henches can't do just as well. Sure their skills are limited but they suffice and that's all that I really need. While this marginally amusing, the key word being marginally, it's also annoying simply because of how incredibly stupid it is. While many people may find some humor in the antics of buffoons I only find something to hold in contempt. If anything this little moment of idiocy has only strengthened my resolve to use only hench monks.

EDIT: For the record this also strengthens my position that A net should make more of the game content soloable for those of us who hate playing with morons.

Mellia Darkstar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2005

Empire Of the Underworld

E/Mo

25 Feb 2006 at 00:18 - 192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Str0b0

I always use hench monks anyway. I have yet to meet a monk player that can do anything that the AI in the henches can't do just as well. Sure their skills are limited but they suffice and that's all that I really need. While this marginally amusing, the key word being marginally, it's also annoying simply because of how incredibly stupid it is. While many people may find some humor in the antics of buffoons I only find something to hold in contempt. If anything this little moment of idiocy has only strengthened my resolve to use only hench monks.

EDIT: For the record this also strengthens my position that A net should make more of the game content soloable for those of us who hate playing with morons.

ahah well said!

The Awesomeness Leg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/

25 Feb 2006 at 00:18 - 193

I thought it was funny spamming:

"MONKS SUCK!!!"

While I was on my monk, Anarchy FTW!

It's a stupid little organized thing to make money.

LouAl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

25 Feb 2006 at 00:21 - 194

^ lol @Mina the reporter

Either way, I don't really care. I have said it before and I will say it again, you don't *need* any particular profession in GW. I won't charge for my nuking or my monking and if you see me there tonight (on my ele) I won't be joining in the flame war.

This whole thing comes down to everyone treating everyone else like crap. Why did that Warrior have to yell at that monk? Why is it that I have never received a compliment whil playing my mesmer (maybe because I suck, but I doubt that is the whole reason)?

Monks get a lot of crap because their mistakes are noticible, mesmers get alot of crap because thier effects are hard to see, rangers get no love because...not really sure why on that one, warriors get yelled at because eveyone dies after they lose control of aggro (after enemies get past them, not always because they aggro'd too much)...

It is so easy to see mistakes, try complimenting your teammates sometime, and not just 'gj everyone, I'm out.' Make a specific statement toward a specific individual. I always try to tell someone when they did well (again this may be due to the fact that my first and most played character is a mesmer).

The sad fact is that MOST monks suck, MOST warriors suck, MOST elementalists suck, MOST necromancers suck, MOST rangers suck, and even MOST mesmers suck. I am NOT an elitist, but that is a true statement. I try my best and fail often, if you want to flame me and then go on strike go ahead.

Jericho Of Druss

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Spirits Of Water (Sow)

25 Feb 2006 at 00:25 - 195

this isnt to a single person, but..all you people that claim to be able to do missions with hench (and it is possible) WHY are you bothered by the strike? why complain? to get involved bcoz all the monks and now eles are involved? now thats sad.

by the way id like to say..monks can deal damage..armor ignoring damage, called smite. holy damage. people always underestimate it but its amazingly powerful

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

25 Feb 2006 at 00:25 - 196

The protest has no real aim other than raising monk awareness--and, yes, it needs to be raised. Not for everyone, no.

But for those Leeroys out there, those people who don't understand, say, aggro management, or that monks need time to recharge--or, hell, the use of stances, this protest, even if it is so chaotic and random, this is for them.

The Awesomeness Leg

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/

25 Feb 2006 at 00:26 - 197

To Jericho:

It's because the monks and elementalists on strike don't really know what Dwanya's Kiss does, or that Fire Storm causes mobs to flee.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

25 Feb 2006 at 00:28 - 198

Personally I'd like to see this backfire on them in a bad way. I hope this ends up giving monks such a bad rep that they end up becoming pariahs. I can only hope that you will no longer see people spamming requests for a monk to join a group. I hope that this little endeavour will push people to explore other options and henchmen combos and get away from this stupid dependency on player monks. Wake up! They aren't necessary. In fact most, if not all, of the game can be done with just henchmen. It's difficult and requires more strategy and careful aggro management but honestly those are skills we could all use some practice with. Player monks are an addiction and now it's time to kick that nasty habit.

Studio Ghibli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2005

Gaelic Storm

25 Feb 2006 at 00:29 - 199

Sure we do.

DK heals slightly beneath Orison--but it has the added effect of healing extra for every hex and enchantment on the target. Awful nifty spell. Good for a little extra oomph when enchantments are abound (protty mcprocster!) or hexes are everywhere.

As for firestorm, that's a given.

.. despite that, it still amazes me to see it used.

Jericho Of Druss

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jan 2006

Spirits Of Water (Sow)

25 Feb 2006 at 00:31 - 200

But if you can do it with hench, dont get involved..laugh and let it be. me thinks all ppl can read, so i think we do know what dwaynas kiss and firestom does =P yeah, firestorm learn from experiance, but, its a defence spell now, if u wanna get away from enemys, run under a allies firestorm =D