[Merged] March 13 Update: Roll back to 1 PM Pacific, 21 GMT, officially announced

Arknow

Arknow

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Middle of Space, Corner of No and Where

Ell EFF GEE

R/

its like reading 13 pages of people who have never played online games before GW.

no game is perfect and from what ive seen GW is up more than most games

Kailin Aer

Kailin Aer

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

USA

Bad Karma Resurrection [BKR]

Sorry folks, I just got home from work and had no idea about any of this.

Its 7:55pm EST and I cant get on... any updates any one know on when GW will be back up and online?

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysteria
I was in game during the "accidental " reset and yes I did start purchasing large amounts of items. I agree with the reset as it was accidental but I am a bit offended being labled an exploiter. The same thing was done a while back and it was legitimate and I seen nothing that showed me this one was any different. I was starting to think a biannual reset might have been taking place. My apologies Anet. Perhaps in the future a general heads up by Anet relating to any possible market changes would be wise.
Sorry. My bad for not explaining entirely.

Really, it wasn't an exploit UNTIL they stated it was accidental. Until then, it was a legitimate deal.

Nobody that bought the items *Knew* that it was accidental, but when they did find out, and the reverse was announced, how many came online to complain?

The devs have apologized, so just FORGIVE THEM!

If you IRL best friend/BF/Gf Screwed up, would you keep that in their face forever? I'd bet all Bill Gates money that'd they never want to see you again.

I for one, am going to accept Gaile's apology, and kiss the floor.

And play Halo...

adderworks

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/Me

I know one lady that is upset over it as she does not have a lot of time to get Fame, and it is hell keeping pace with the kiddies that have all day to earn it. To lose the few good hours out of a busy three weeks to a glitch, I would not bet on there being a round two for my lady anytime soonish.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailin Aer
Sorry folks, I just got home from work and had no idea about any of this.

Its 7:55pm EST and I cant get on... any updates any one know on when GW will be back up and online?
8:30PST

Banebow

Banebow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[KoA] Knights of the Alliance

Me/

I am pleased by how ANet chose to handle this. . .if, and that is an if, it works out exactly as they plan. A full and complete server rollback will anger some people, but it was the right thing to do for the long run.

Oh, you will have the people who say it wasn't needed. These are the folks who would have made millions. You have people complaining about having to do a mission over again. None of the current missions are that hard, and I am sorry you wasted your time, but you can just do it again. I feel badly for those who will lose a rare drop, or a win in GvG, or a lot of fame from an HA run. But this had to be done.

Whether the first reset was intentional or an accident does not matter. ANet obviously sees the reset as a mistake, but they could not know it would be a mistake until players had time to take it in. Now, the second time, they know. They know that a huge portion of the player base gets burned when something like this happens and they don't want that.

So, to ANet. We (the players) often yell at you for this or that nerf, or for adding this or that item. We complain constantly about AI problems and rank, and people will complain about the rollback as well. But, you have my support in this, and the support of many other players as well.

calamitykell

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

N.Y.C.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kailin Aer
Sorry folks, I just got home from work and had no idea about any of this.

Its 7:55pm EST and I cant get on... any updates any one know on when GW will be back up and online?
A couple posts above yours


edit: ack, too slow.

Glob of Noobloplasm

Glob of Noobloplasm

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

lf guild

This is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing fantastic.

While Anet is at it, why dont they just make fow armor available at piken square.
I want a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing refund for my armor, the shards I baught, and the runes I baught.

Mosch

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/Mo

The thing that bug sme the most about this occurence is not that I couldn't play when I wanted to but the German error message on the log in screen. It's the grammatical equivalent of genocide. Whoever translated that should be... well, not disciplined. But severely frowned upon.

Balance

Balance

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

NYC, US

red basilica [isis]

R/

Ah this sucks, I got nothing, and I'm already practically broke. So much for that. >< :P

SziP

SziP

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Me/

Man i dont care if they rollbacking but im pretty pissed about the following.
-that it interrupted my guilds 4-0 winning streak
-the murssat skin hornbow that ive been looking for a such long time its now gone
-The fact that in my only free time i cannot play GW, and i have to wait for them to finish the rollback
-that i was acctualy a fool and spent the time buying over 150 shards, 30 rubies , 21 shappires, 2 superior absorbtion runes, 11 superior vigor

BUT!! Im pretty happy for the following reasons
-that i will get my gold(platinum) back(THEY BETTER!!!)
-the fact that the game is not ruined
-Everyhting is going to be just fine
-That Anet will learn from this mistake and in the future it wont happen again
-AND THAT WE CAN PLAY AGAIN IN A FEW HOURS!!!!

PS: I know people lost some nice items, fame and time. What can we do?

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Let me clarify that "exploiting" the trader reset wasn't necessarily intentional. We don't mean to paint everyone with a dark brush of evil doing. For some players, perhaps for the vast majority, they saw low prices and bought. I have to say, though, that if I had been in the game and seen those prices, my first thought would have been to check the website and when I didn't see major news about an intended change to the game economy, or an overall financial reset, I would have figured something just wasn't right.

It's human nature to react impulsively to "opportunities" like the trader glitch presented. It's noble to report them, which is what some players did, and we're grateful for that. Had we had earlier reports, we might have prevented the need for a reset, but by the time we learned of the situation, we were forced to do the roll-back.

Several months ago we had a much smaller-scale incident, but the numbers were low and the gains relatively minimal. We did not do a roll-back, thinking that it would be a kindness to avoid a roll-back when so few had exploited and when the damage to the economy was so small. This time we did not have the luxury of that same decision.

Thanks again for understanding the need, and for supporting the roll-back.

pigdestroyer

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

can someone tell me what time is it PST (whatever the hell that means) you know arenanet not all of your players live in the US...

shadowfell

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayres_Spellbinder
Holy crap, the wife will have to go pick up the kids. I need to buy some stuff.

I just would like to point out this is probably the funniest thing I have read all day..."Screw the kids! I need Sup Ab!!!"

JiggyFly

JiggyFly

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

So-Cal

Forsaken Wanderers [FW]

Mo/

PST is GMT-8

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by SziP
PS: I know people lost some nice items, fame and time. What can we do?
Exactly what about half or more are doing. Complaining. Scream at Anet. Scream at Anet some more....

That's about all i see, 'cept for a select few, that have enought sense to not.

calamitykell

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

N.Y.C.

Quote:
Originally Posted by adderworks
I know one lady that is upset over it as she does not have a lot of time to get Fame, and it is hell keeping pace with the kiddies that have all day to earn it. To lose the few good hours out of a busy three weeks to a glitch, I would not bet on there being a round two for my lady anytime soonish.
I can definitely understand the frustration caused, and so can everyone at ANet too. But you (and all of us) have to realize that things like this happen. I've played many online games in the past few years, so when I hear there's a rollback, I shrug it off. You just come to accept it. Look at it this way, Guild Wars has been out almost a year, and this is the first time they've had to do anything this drastic (to my knowledge.)

ArenaNet does a great job, and they really don't get ENOUGH credit. Sure, people crowd around Gaile and The Frog, but people flame them too. Sure, people post on the forums saying how much they love the game, but there are twice as many (at least) threads going on about how disappointed/bored they are. Sure, many people give ANet credit for trying to keep PvE/PvP environments fresh enough so they don't become ridiculously redundant, but there are probably 5-10 people flaming them for skill changes to every 1 person thanking them for it.

What they do, they do for us. Mistakes happen, and we have to keep in mind that ArenaNet will make mistakes from time to time. We, the players, will make mistakes too, though! We just have to realize that making a mistake is not intentional, and that ArenaNet is not out to get us personally when they need to fix something.

Does the rollback hurt? Sure it does, I know I'm not affected as much as others, but I'm aware that others can be very affected. Keep in mind that ArenaNet does not sit there going "haha, let's see you get that perfect fellblade NOW, you punk!" They made a mistake, they apologized, they're fixing it, and they're returning the wonderful game we ALL love back to us as soon as they reasonably can.

Gaile, I hope to god you're reading this post. I thank you, and I thank the entire dev team, and anybody else who has worked on this accident. I really do appreciate EVERYTHING that is done for us; all the updates, all the communication, all the concern. It makes me feel more valued as a player than I can describe, and I thank ANet for that.

Argen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shadow Nation [SN]

Well in regards to what we can do... not much.
We already bought the game, there is no monthly fee, so not continuing to play just frees up the bandwidth, A-Net isn't losing there.

If you feel so wronged, the only thing you can do to "punish" A-Net is to not purchase Factions. Beyond that there is little to do.

I was not online during the reset, so I am going to keep right on playing, regardless of the "oopsy." I am fairly indifferent on the reset, in some ways good (not everyone has 1,000 shards, rubies, and sapphires).

deathdela

deathdela

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Playing Guild Wars and Getting [high]

W/R

Thanks for the reply gaile nice to see the devs actually have a passion towards the game and reply to people.

fiery

fiery

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

maryland

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

R/

I am still in ascalon Dis 1 and 4 people left, I will be the last!

DevilStick

DevilStick

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

East Coast US

Well, I for one just hope the rollback goes according to plan at this point.

*Knocks on wood*

I'd hate to have soemthing go wrong and lose stuff I already had.

Hopefully Anet didn't use floppies for the backup.

yangster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Asian Syndicate

Me/E

I just wander if anyone bothers reading the little notice on the login screen.

You will be able to come back by 8:30 PM PST.

yangster

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Asian Syndicate

Me/E

I just wander if anyone bothers reading the little notice on the login screen.

You will be able to come back by 8:30 PM PST.

yslee

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Here're are my thoughts, purely speculation:

Technically the difference shouldn't be that great compared to the last Great Price reset, after all, quite a few (including yours truly here) did profit from it. Some went and got instant FoW armours because of it.

Now, although unintentional, the damage that this reset could have done was probably less, since from what I've seen on here and from what I've heard from my guildies, the devs noticed the aberration and locked down the traders pretty quick. They could've fixed the problem quickly, and let the traders go on with the original prices, and let the small amount of people profit (which should be a lot less than the original number of people from the last reset).

Thing is, I think they realised they couldn't fix it. Again, from what I hear, the prices of the affected items were stuck at 250g despite heavy trading. The prices of some items in the last reset went up within an hour, but this time they didn't. I'm thinking the glitch in the server probably broke the traders so bad, that no matter what happened, they'd continue to sell the items at 250g.

As you can see, for certain things, like Runes, that would really be destabalising to the economy. Why bother with a drop when you can just buy? Thus leading to the second problem when they eventually run out: No one is going to try to sell a rare drop to a trader if they're going to get less than some uncommon drop. People will end up keeping the drops for themselves, and if they do sell, they'll sell it on the open market, which leads to yet another problem. Without the Traders as a price regulator, we're probably going to see some really stupid prices for these items. Either that or once they get too common and become too cheap, no one is going to bother trading or farming for these items, potentially breaking that portion of the economy.

ANet probably realised that having fixed low prices of what were once expensive items posed a great problem, and if they couldn't fix the traders on-the-fly (with a patch or something), they decided to use the rollback as a last resort. I'm guessing right now they're testing the traders for the bug, and trying to prevent it from happening again, since I don't think rollbacks take 5-6 hours to do!

Once again, pure speculation on my part based on my analysis of the situation!

theVariable

theVariable

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

CA, USA

Knights of the Hokuten [KotH] (hokuten.org)

Mo/Me

It's days like these that outline the sad, sad state humanity is in. The people who attempted to profit from yet another price reset, essentially put their own personal gains ahead the entire community of GW. Which would have lasting negative effects on the game economy, for quite some time. And when everyone's caught up in it, some might say you can't blame others for following suit...

Well, these are the same fundamental flaws that have spurred many deadly riots, mobs, and other such forms of chaos. It's in these brief moments of anarchy that people show their true colors. When the power vacuum has finally been quenched, what are we left with? How many were simply "caught up in the moment"?

I for one, am glad ANet decided to do a roll back, this time around. It's sad, since so many people can't govern their own actions, a higher power must do it for them...

If you disagree with my take on this, please, instead of flaming me for my morale beliefs, tell me, how do you justify your actions?

Thank you for your time

pigdestroyer

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Los Chavos Del [ocho]

W/

whatever... wasnt this game about SKILL and other stuff

I dont care about other people getting richer in fact it was cool that maybe some of my hard worker guildies were going to get their FoW.

btw I have fow on my char, before people start complaining...

Cerberus

Cerberus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Gates of Hades

Edge Of Extinction

The way i look at it is this.... I didn't have the items b4 the traders went loco and i wont have then after its sorted, so no real lose on my part, tho sure it would have been nice to be able to afford Sup Absorptions for a change lol. Besides if nothing else it livened up the game for an hour or so

SziP

SziP

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Retribution X
Exactly what about half or more are doing. Complaining. Scream at Anet. Scream at Anet some more....

That's about all i see, 'cept for a select few, that have enought sense to not.
Well Anet either makes almost everyone rich. Or they lose a lot of clients by just leaving the game the way it is(or it was). The moment i saw hundreds of players around the rare-material trader and the rune trader , i knew something was wrong.

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Let me clarify that "exploiting" the trader reset wasn't necessarily intentional. We don't mean to paint everyone with a dark brush of evil doing. For some players, perhaps for the vast majority, they saw low prices and bought. I have to say, though, that if I had been in the game and seen those prices, my first thought would have been to check the website and when I didn't see major news about an intended change to the game economy, or an overall financial reset, I would have figured something just wasn't right.
The exploiting wasn't intentional, and it couldn't be an exploit UNTIL Anet said it wasn't supposed to be there.

That's exactly what I did. perhaps great minds DO think alike...

And no, she's not calling people exploiters, we actually didn't know the last reset WAS an exploit until just now, when she said it was.

Most agree on one fact however I believe, that this was a pain in the arse, and we need to check GW website more often!

Akilles

Akilles

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Brothers of the Jade

I just want to wish congratulations to everybody who owns guild wars cause now everyone will have fissure armors on all their characters. OH and teh incredible wealth you will have, I expect to see LA, Droks, to have like 150 districts.

This is so unfair to the players who worked hard, cant they just take the high end stuff and put that at the average price? and reset the rest? I mean come on, Superior Vigor, Monk Runes, Superior Absorb, Ecto, Shards, Rubys and Saphires, and black dyes I wish they would reset others and put prices back to the average prices. Damage has been done though.

They should view the logs and see who bought gobs of stuff and take it all back and return the gold spent.

Transluecent51

Transluecent51

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

Guilds Are For Woosies Who Need Help

Gaile, I wanna know why you have to come forward to tell us sorry and its getting fixed. We all know you didnt screw with the merchant system but you have to seem like the bad person in all this. I wanna see the programmers or admins, whoever maintains these things and keeps them in check to come forward. As so many people have said like SziP, their not really mad about losing the things they paid almost nothing for, their angry because of the things they dont deserve to lose: items, fame, xp...w/e. Its really unfair we get shot in the behind for the Anet programmers screw ups or whoever is supposed to keep their eye on this sorta stuff so it dosnt happen. In all thankz Gaile for keeping us up to date.

KurtTheBehemoth

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

tubbyville

Kurt's Royal Guardians

Mo/E

This is the first time I have dealt with a rollback. I'm scared all my money will be gone. I hope Area Net is gentle with my Wammo.

VampiricuS

VampiricuS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

N/Mo

i happened to be at LA dis 1 when this all happened and I must say, it was quite the scene. I have to also mention that I am very happy that I was not doing one of the following:

-In a gvg match (if we were on our way to a win, we would be screwed, especially if our luck ran out on a do-over)

-Running the Tombs and had a Bulwark sitting in front of me then all of the sudden "poof" you lay dead on the floor (and not because you died from enemies)

-Finished a hard mission like thunderhead where monks are slim to nil to find.


So im not bitching here, im just concerned about the people who were less fortunate, yikes......

Maybe Anet will REMOVE the nerfed ettin hunting as a consolation prize :P

yslee

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Let me clarify that "exploiting" the trader reset wasn't necessarily intentional. We don't mean to paint everyone with a dark brush of evil doing. For some players, perhaps for the vast majority, they saw low prices and bought. I have to say, though, that if I had been in the game and seen those prices, my first thought would have been to check the website and when I didn't see major news about an intended change to the game economy, or an overall financial reset, I would have figured something just wasn't right.

It's human nature to react impulsively to "opportunities" like the trader glitch presented. It's noble to report them, which is what some players did, and we're grateful for that. Had we had earlier reports, we might have prevented the need for a reset, but by the time we learned of the situation, we were forced to do the roll-back.

Several months ago we had a much smaller-scale incident, but the numbers were low and the gains relatively minimal. We did not do a roll-back, thinking that it would be a kindness to avoid a roll-back when so few had exploited and when the damage to the economy was so small. This time we did not have the luxury of that same decision.

Thanks again for understanding the need, and for supporting the roll-back.
Gaile, can you please explain to us then, what's the difference between the Great Price Reset of August 2005 and this? Then things were MUCH more expensive (I recall getting my eles MINOR Fire Magic Rune for 1 plat), and thus the chance for profit were MUCH greater. Not to mention the high prices then meant people could get a lot more money from selling items, and that the reset actually allowed them to buy a whole lot more stuff then they would otherwise have.

Misz_Piggie

Misz_Piggie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2005

uhmm i cant remember

W/Mo

i lost my 15^50 chaos axe.

im litterly crying right now.

Across The Battle

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

Jersey

W/

Well, although Im not happy with the rollback, heres the arguement. People, which was common, logged on to buy up stuff(I was in Droks 20 US, I can imagine there was more)

Buying it at 250 gold then sitting on it and waiting for it to go back up to say..3k..giving them a 2750 profit. If they bought say...30 of them,(I managed to get 60 in about 5 or so min) they made 82500 Gold PROFIT.

Using the 20 districts of droks alone assuming there were 100 people in there thats 20*100*82500 = 165 000 000 Gold Any basic economics student knows, realeasing a TON of money into an economy like that will cause it to crash(see great depression)

A guildie told me he got about 500 rubies shards and sapphires. Do that math.
I can imagine there were plenty like him.

Granted I wouldnt have minded making that huge profit and getting sexy armor, but it happens I geuss....Im more angry about the questing and missions I lost...

DevilStick

DevilStick

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

East Coast US

Quote:
Originally Posted by yslee
Thing is, I think they realised they couldn't fix it. Again, from what I hear, the prices of the affected items were stuck at 250g despite heavy trading. The prices of some items in the last reset went up within an hour, but this time they didn't. I'm thinking the glitch in the server probably broke the traders so bad, that no matter what happened, they'd continue to sell the items at 250g.
The traders eventually ran out. So I hear.

So, it wasn't completely unending, but understand your point.

I just hope all fifteen of my HoD swords in my HoD sword colelction are there when it's all said and done. Right, Anet?

Kailin Aer

Kailin Aer

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

USA

Bad Karma Resurrection [BKR]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Loviatar
8:30PST
OMG!

Thats 11:30 EST ??


Im posting in our guild forum as all the best GW forums (including this one of course) are a bit unstable due to traffic and we have members having trouble accesing

Orbberius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glob of Noobloplasm
there, now youre right.
You realize and comprehend that Anet are resetting the game to before the glitch, right?

96TSi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Fort Worth

Clowns of Wrath[CoW]

W/R

find a better speech before you start preaching...

i doubt anyone in game who knew about the trader prices didnt go buy something to benifit their character.

if you say you didnt i laugh and call you a liar.