Worst Elite Skill

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

29 Mar 2006 at 18:48 - 241
Quote:
Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Ok, If you read my post a few pages back I think it was, I'd liek to fix an error I think I made. I was reading off a list of elites on GuidWiki, and one skill at that time was I think mistakingly called an elite when it isnt one. Without the actual skills in the game at the priest to check it with you can see where the mistake came from.

Thank you.


As for Practiced Stance. There are a few more non-elite preps that would benefit from it in Factions, but all in all it would be much more effective as a non-elite so you could use it with Inced. arrows or Trappers Focus/etc.
The reason Anet put Inced Arrows as elite is because it interrupt and set on fire at the same time. If its not an elite, just thinking about Quickshot+Inced Arrows (fast and easy spammable). This is what will happen with needle shot + Inced Arrows but with less dmg.

Again, praticed stance is useless for me because I dont use it in any build. Off course who like it will say something else. But, for me, I dont like it. If you use it often, fine, its your choice, I dont blame you because you use a skill that I dont like. If you feel good with a skill that the others say useless, go for it and let the others blame themself when they come face to face with another one who is a copy/paste of them.

In all, I prefer to be, sometimes, original if we compare with the others.

Iskrah

Iskrah

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

SsS

R/

29 Mar 2006 at 18:52 - 242
Practiced Stance is incredibly stupid. It's basically a skill that has only an interest with Choking Gas, and STILL, it's not that great of an improvement!

" For 20-32 seconds, your Preparations are ready 50% faster and last 30-126% longer."
Recharge Time: 15s.

It's the worst Stance in the game, and yet, it's an Elite? Come on now!

Yukito Kunisaki

Yukito Kunisaki

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2005

Chicago, IL

W/N

29 Mar 2006 at 18:58 - 243
Peace & Harmony...



Name me an elite worse than this and get a cookie~

mjd03003

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Mar 2006

Reapers Bane

Me/N

29 Mar 2006 at 19:08 - 244
Theres no bad skills, only ones you haven't found a way to use yet ;-)

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

29 Mar 2006 at 19:21 - 245
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjd03003
Theres no bad skills, only ones you haven't found a way to use yet ;-)
Problably the mistake that mostly all players did.

Rustjive

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Mar 2006 at 20:09 - 246
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
Signet of Midnight is a 15 seconds being blind and 15 seconds of recharge. You can use it right after it finishes. Off course Plague Touch and Epidemic with it is a great combo against warriors and assassins.
No, you weren't paying attention. It's balanced for Competition Arenas. It's not a good combo when because in any other form of competition, mend ailment, draw conditions, mend condition, etc. will negate it easily. THIS IS YOUR ELITE SLOT.

Frost_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

29 Mar 2006 at 20:15 - 247
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
Quick shot + Choking gas/Incendiary arrow can be quite good.

Another one I find barely better than Unyielding aura is Lightning surge...pitifully weak for an elite that cause exhaustion, 10 energy, and has a delay?!
to bad their both elite

quickshot used to be a lot better, best skill in game probally with tigers fury and serpents it was like a machine gun

Francis Demeules

Francis Demeules

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada, Qc

[Holy]

Me/Mo

29 Mar 2006 at 20:24 - 248
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustjive
No, you weren't paying attention. It's balanced for Competition Arenas. It's not a good combo when because in any other form of competition, mend ailment, draw conditions, mend condition, etc. will negate it easily. THIS IS YOUR ELITE SLOT.
Well, all Elites are useless when you got Signet of Humility on you. Dont see always in PvP Rust, see in PvE too. Check for an overall use. Dont say "people thinks its useless, then it is".

Rustjive

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

29 Mar 2006 at 20:49 - 249
Quote:
Originally Posted by Francis Demeules
Well, all Elites are useless when you got Signet of Humility on you. Dont see always in PvP Rust, see in PvE too. Check for an overall use. Dont say "people thinks its useless, then it is".
Pretty sure I never said that.

Anyways, I'm sure Signet of Humility applies to all elites - not sure what your point there is.

It doesn't strike you that Signet of Midnight is a '1v1' skill? At no point in time can you build an effective build around Signet of Midnight. Even in PvE it's not effective. You blind 2 enemies, but as a Me/N or N/Me, you have to get within touch range to do so. That entirely defeats the purpose of your tank drawing aggro.

Ghull Ka

Ghull Ka

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Seattle, WA

Grenths Helpdesk

N/

29 Mar 2006 at 21:23 - 250
Broad Head Arrow [cost 25, recharge 20]
You shoot a broad head arrow that moves slower than normal. If it hits, target foe is dazed for 5-17 seconds, and if target foe is casting a spell that spell is interrupted. This is an elite skill.

That's a nice elite. Makes Skull Crack even more suckworthy when you can inflict dazed, at a distance, with no conditional requirements.

I wish that Skull Crack caused daze just by using it. That'd be great.

wsmcasey

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

29 Mar 2006 at 21:27 - 251
I agree, Peace and Harmony stinks

Raxxman

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

TEOC

W/N

29 Mar 2006 at 21:45 - 252
eh we've already established with 2 skills sig of midnight can blind not just 2 people but a whole mob if they're up close.

I've been shown a build using Keystone Sig which looks okay but I haven't tried it.

I still think Keystones sigs drawback of disableing all your non sig skills is really harsh considering its an elite.

Skullcrack maintains use in PvE but damn is it really not good compared to any other dazing elite.

Mysterial

Mysterial

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Servants of Fortuna

E/Me

29 Mar 2006 at 21:54 - 253
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghull Ka
Broad Head Arrow [cost 25, recharge 20]
You shoot a broad head arrow that moves slower than normal. If it hits, target foe is dazed for 5-17 seconds, and if target foe is casting a spell that spell is interrupted. This is an elite skill.

That's a nice elite.
It's a nice RA elite and that's about it. The recharge is way too long for it to get any use elsewhere because the condition gets removed too fast for it to have much effect. I don't see the reason for the long recharge anyway - even with Expertise the cost is high enough that it isn't that spammable with a lower recharge.

Khift

Khift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Ego Trip From Rank [ZERO]

P/

29 Mar 2006 at 22:20 - 254
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukmedes
Sigh, learn to be a warrior outside PvE before talking. Sure Eviscerate and Charge are the best, but Triple chop and Hundred blades are far from bad.

Cyclone axe is massivly horrible in PvP, I actually laugh out loud when I see someone run it in PvP.
Uh, yeah, Triple Chop and Hundred Blades suck. So does Cyclone Axe, at least in PvP. My point, is that Cyclone Axe hits a much larger area of effect than Hundred Blades / Triple Chop -- in order to hit multiple opponents with HB, they have to be standing RIGHT next to each other, something that doesn't happen at all in PvP and rarely happens in PvE. And, to make things worse, both of these elites have a slower recharge than Cyclone does, too.

And Triple Chop is especially bad, considering that it not only hits just one target except in very rare situations, the extra damage it does is barely more than Power Attack -- which has a much faster recharge. At least HB gives you some adrenaline.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rukmedes
That one made me chuckle a little. Remember far back, probably before you knew what PvP ment, W/E were rampant. Destryoing everything. With what skill? GALE! What does Gale do? EXHAUSTION. This skill is by no means bad, I think it is you who is bad.

Nice try though.
Nice horrible comparison!

Gale == the perfect skill for a warrior. Very potent ranged disruption with little energy cost, a mitigatable downside (Thanks to the exhaustion bug), and very few skill points required.

Ride the Lightning == Comparatively little damage for an Ele spell, (Fireball does more damage than it, and Fireball does AoE!) what is generally considered a downside for squishy elementalists, and this is sitting in your elite spot why?


Nice try.

sh4ft3d

sh4ft3d

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...

Frank Ought To Monk [FotM]

W/

30 Mar 2006 at 01:13 - 255
Quote:
Originally Posted by Str0b0
I got a long series of absolutely rancid PUGs 27 of them to be exact. Can't get past THK otherwise I'm fairly certain I could cap it with nothing but henchies. 27 THK failures is frustrating. I wish they had left the elites spread out more. I'd love the help though and appreciate the offer. I have a day off tomorrow so maybe if I can catch you around then.
I'd be happy to, but I don't have much free time during the week. I'll message you if I catch you in game

funestis

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2009

20 Jun 2009 at 12:50 - 256
Star Burst

Never found good use for it.

??iljo

??iljo

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

N/

20 Jun 2009 at 13:20 - 257
holy rez!!


ot: roj ><

Zaris

Zaris

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Netherlands

20 Jun 2009 at 13:54 - 258
How about "The Power Is Yours!"
Has that skill ever been used

EDIT: Why res a three year old thread?

Longasc

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

20 Jun 2009 at 13:57 - 259
I like to play a Necromancer. But rezzing a 2 years old thread where Broad Head Arrow was still at 25 energy is just wrong.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

20 Jun 2009 at 14:11 - 260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaris View Post
How about "The Power Is Yours!"
Has that skill ever been used
Two paragon GvG team. Ridiculously spammable free energy for your team, namely monks.

On topic, Shroud of Silence is up there now. Ridiculously OP when it came out, then nerfed to ridiculously untouchable.

Also, 2006-2009 is three years

Oogball

Oogball

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

E/

20 Jun 2009 at 14:25 - 261
That one really sucks lol.

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

20 Jun 2009 at 14:55 - 262
Can't win for losing here! Someone uses search and gets grief for thread necromancy. If a new thread were started, someone would have QQ's about the search feature NOT being used!

Pistachio

Pistachio

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

20 Jun 2009 at 14:59 - 263
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon View Post
Signet of Midnight
I was surprised to read this. I use SoM very successfully all the time in PvP with my Mesmer. It's like being invulnerable to any Melee class.


edit: Oh, and my pick for worst elite - Keystone Signet, because I haven't found a good use for it that wasn't completely annoying.

Necromas

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

20 Jun 2009 at 15:10 - 264
Archer's Signet is pretty bad, considering you can't use it with burning arrow barring 2 elite situations, and any conditions you should be applying with a bow will already last long enough either for the enemy to die (PvE) or to get removed (PvP).

The only real use is you'll get some extra damage out of flame trap, but trappers have much better options for elites like spiked trap, and will probably not actually be wielding a bow most of the time if their build is focused entirely on trapping.

Jarus

Jarus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

Council of Iris

20 Jun 2009 at 15:31 - 265
Signet of Spirits (PVP) is still pretty bad.

Zaris

Zaris

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2007

The Netherlands

20 Jun 2009 at 15:38 - 266
How about this one

Quick Shot
Elite Bow Attack. Shoot an arrow that moves twice as fast.

SPURLUXE

SPURLUXE

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Japan

20 Jun 2009 at 15:41 - 267
Equinox
Balthazar's Pendulum
Stone Sheath

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

20 Jun 2009 at 15:52 - 268
[Quick Shot]
[Signet of Suffering]
[Stone Sheath]

[Word of Censure] is pretty weak, but might be almost useful agaisnt undead.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Scotland

W/N

20 Jun 2009 at 17:05 - 269
Quick Shot/Skull Crack.

Yelling @ Cats

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

20 Jun 2009 at 17:14 - 270
Finding the worst elite is like trying to judge a down syndrome beauty pageant...

So many are laughable for the majority of the game.

kvndoom

kvndoom

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Communistwealth of Virginia

Uninstalled

W/Mo

20 Jun 2009 at 17:22 - 271
Preservation is pretty weak. If it automatically healed the party member with lowest health or healed all party members (but for less, obviously to not be broken) or healed every 2-3 seconds instead of 4, it would be a good option. It's better to just bring Life and Spirit Light.

I'm not saying it's the worst elite, but it's far outclassed by non-elite skills in the same line.

Corrupt Enchantment is kinda weak when you compare it to Rip, especially with the same energy cost and recharge. Sure it's a little more degen, but in the big picture it's not that great.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

20 Jun 2009 at 17:24 - 272
Second Wind

Pretty much my vote.

Yelling @ Cats

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

20 Jun 2009 at 17:28 - 273

Unreal Havoc

Guest

Join Date: Dec 2007

20 Jun 2009 at 17:34 - 274
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fantus View Post
I don't deny the fun factor that comes with that skill, but a monk should rather bring an elite that's actually useful, don't you think? Your main job is to PREVENT people from dying and UA doesn't really help you with that.
Copy it with Arcane Mimicry and use it alongside Healers Boon. Have your UA Monk copy Healers Boon.

Heal Party.

Short

Short

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2009

Protectors of Fate [GoF]

N/Me

20 Jun 2009 at 17:41 - 275
Second Wind is stupidly bad.

zelgadissan

zelgadissan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2008

The Warrior Priests [WP]

Me/Rt

20 Jun 2009 at 17:48 - 276
Quote:
Originally Posted by Unreal Havoc View Post
Copy it with Arcane Mimicry and use it alongside Healers Boon. Have your UA Monk copy Healers Boon.
You realize you're responding to something from March 2006, back when UA was the worthless PvP version, right?

Also, prot spells > UA+HB.

Big_Daddy

Big_Daddy

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

The Big Daddy Experience [BigD]

N/Mo

20 Jun 2009 at 18:08 - 277
LOL, it is good interesting to rez this thread now that we got even MORE Elites that are craptacular, way to loose 1K on a cap sig.

IMO Ether Prodigy is still among the worst elites ever.

Razon

Razon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2008

Mo/

20 Jun 2009 at 19:04 - 278
Quick Shot gets my vote.

Devonas big Sister

Devonas big Sister

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dutchman

W/

20 Jun 2009 at 19:07 - 279
Ritualist worst elite skill since last update:
Soul Twisting.
Who needs 66% faster cast on a 3/4 sec cast skill?

Warrior: Either Skull Crack or Decapitate has my vote.
(I know Decapitate can be judged about that...Give me a viable PVE build with it and i'll agree with it being usefull)

Ranger: Quickshot or Equinox

Necro: Wailers Doom. Would be usefull if they linked it to most the skills on someones bar. (as in 5 skills of protection prayers would cancel out the points in protection prayers)

Paragon: Couldn't think of any bad elite really...

Dervish: Pious Renewal

Monk: Amity (far out)

Mesmer: Keystone signet definitely

Assassin: Shadow Meld

Elementalist: Glimmering Mark (Or Second Wind...but at least Second Wind always provides you with energy. Glimmering mark's damage output is much more a gamble.

Melkorium

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

20 Jun 2009 at 19:50 - 280
Quote:
Originally Posted by SPURLUXE View Post
Equinox
Balthazar's Pendulum
Stone Sheath
Gets my vote too, so weak they should really be non-elite.