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Originally Posted by Devonas big Sister
Paragon: Couldn't think of any bad elite really...
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http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Soldier%27s_Fury
Worst Elite Skill
Yelling @ Cats
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Soldier%27s_Fury
Yelling @ Cats
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Originally Posted by Melkorium
Gets my vote too, so weak they should really be non-elite.
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Necromas
Soldier's Fury is okay, you can easily use it to get permanent 33% IAS and extra adrenaline.
Taurean
*) Almost every Ranger Beast Mastery Elite skill.
*) Burning Arrow.
*) Punishing Shot.
*) Famine
*) Melandru's arrows.
*) Poison Arrow.
*) Smoke Trap.
That covers a LOT of Ranger elites that need to be slightly buffed or buffed.
*) Burning Arrow.
*) Punishing Shot.
*) Famine
*) Melandru's arrows.
*) Poison Arrow.
*) Smoke Trap.
That covers a LOT of Ranger elites that need to be slightly buffed or buffed.
Tender Wolf
Worst elites depend on your build and preference in my opinion. But me, I'm not too big on the warrior skills where you use an elite and then automatically lose all adrenaline and energy (energy is already very low on a tank unless you have lots of runes). And what's with the elites, or any skill for that matter, that end as soon as you successfully hit with an attack or use an attack skill? Renders melee professions kind of useless.
I do agree that Quick Shot is pretty useless. Sure it moves faster, but so do others that do less damage.
I do agree that Quick Shot is pretty useless. Sure it moves faster, but so do others that do less damage.
zelgadissan
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Originally Posted by Taurean
*) Burning Arrow.....need to be slightly buffed or buffed
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The others, I'll agree with you.
instanceskiller
i think most of the ranger elite spirits would qualify...
Wish Swiftdeath
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Originally Posted by zelgadissan
LOL. That and Mel's Shot are the only used Ranger elites in any respectable level of PvP.
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OT: rangerspirits and most of the ritualist elite's could use some reworking
zelgadissan
Yeah, I thought of Magebane after I said it. I thought about editing, but didn't figure most people considered TA respectable PvP. I know it's basically meta there.
Anyway, I haven't seen it for a while in my GvG/HA observances (I'm mainly PvE but I observe when bored). Was it added lately due to Distortion eles?
Anyway, I haven't seen it for a while in my GvG/HA observances (I'm mainly PvE but I observe when bored). Was it added lately due to Distortion eles?
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Taurean
*) Almost every Ranger Beast Mastery Elite skill.
*) Burning Arrow. *) Punishing Shot. *) Famine *) Melandru's arrows. *) Poison Arrow. *) Smoke Trap. That covers a LOT of Ranger elites that need to be slightly buffed or buffed. |
-Burning arrow is CONSTANTLY used in JQ (from my experience)
-Punishing shot is still a very useful interrupt for the bow. Don't get mad cause you cant do it as well as mesmers
-Famine is good for farming in PvE, maybe it could get a rework or buff for PvP though
-Melandru's Arrows were already updated. Leave it alone.
-Perhaps a slight buff for Poison Arrow for PvE, but it should stay the same as it is for PvP.
-Smoke trap I admit not to have had enough experience with to say yay or nay.
The problem with this whole thread is ppl are going to suggest skills to buff for THEIR main class, instead of skills that need to be buffed/changed regardless of class. For example, if I were to provide a list, of skills I think should be buffed or changed, it would mostly be Dervish skills.
kvndoom
Poison Arrow could use some conditional damage, such as doing 5...20 extra damage if it hits a foe not already suffering from poison. It would still poison the target if it hits. That might make it a decent pressure skill, and you could run it with Barbed.
AKB48
Well of Power
Mark of Protection
Dark Apostasy
Shadow Meld
Mark of Protection
Dark Apostasy
Shadow Meld
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by shoyon456
The problem with this whole thread is ppl are going to suggest skills to buff for THEIR main class, instead of skills that need to be buffed/changed regardless of class.
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The original "The Power is Yours" is probably the worst elite I've seen in the history of the game. Impossibly unwieldy.
It's hard to beat the current Shroud of Silence for uselessness. Spending your elite slot on a three second blackout that you can only use twice per minute is about as pointless as it gets.
Saborath Gilgalad
Withdraw Hexes
refer
Crippling Anguish. Exact same everything as Imagined Burden but with 2 degen (3 if 12) and elite. And it's a hex to so it could get removed the second it's applied anyways.
3/4 is in PvE. People seem to have forgot PvP existed since that update happened. They are still long casting toothpicks otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Devonas big Sister
Ritualist worst elite skill since last update:
Soul Twisting. Who needs 66% faster cast on a 3/4 sec cast skill? |
omens
You use soul twisting for the fact it makes the next spirit recharge instantly.
Helix Dreadlock
Ether Prodigy....all the way. Exhaustion for energy management? L.O.L.
Kendel
I vanquished half the game using a Smoke Trapper. Back in the days before any idiot could apply the most powerful anti-caster condition in the game by pressing 'Technobabble' and do so very fast thanks to consumables.
As a Ranger... I think i'd have to go for Poison Arrow.
In Prophecies, Apply Poison was better and everyone and his dog ran Barrage (i favoured Punishing Shot).
In Factions, why take Poison Arrow over Apply Poison and lose the possibility of using Broadhead Arrow?
In Nightfall you finally got access to Barbed Arrows... oh damn, Burning Arrow and poison being spreadble through Death Nova on hero MMs.
In EotN it still hasn't seen a buff and the PvE skills rendered it even more useless.
Helix has just reminded me... Second Wind... i'm sure i used Ether Prodigy for something, i just can't remember what.
As a Ranger... I think i'd have to go for Poison Arrow.
In Prophecies, Apply Poison was better and everyone and his dog ran Barrage (i favoured Punishing Shot).
In Factions, why take Poison Arrow over Apply Poison and lose the possibility of using Broadhead Arrow?
In Nightfall you finally got access to Barbed Arrows... oh damn, Burning Arrow and poison being spreadble through Death Nova on hero MMs.
In EotN it still hasn't seen a buff and the PvE skills rendered it even more useless.
Helix has just reminded me... Second Wind... i'm sure i used Ether Prodigy for something, i just can't remember what.
Burton2000
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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock
Ether Prodigy....all the way. Exhaustion for energy management? L.O.L.
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Chronos the Defiler
no matter what you say...Amity (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Amity) is by FAR the most useless elite skill ever conceived....period
Tender Wolf
Anyone dissing Burning Arrow is confusing me. That's my favorite ranger elite skill to use next to Barrage combined with Splinter Weapon. Burning Arrow + Screaming Shot + Apply Poison = WIN. 
But that's just me.
LOL @ Ether Prodigy. Lose all your enchants, get exhausted, and lose health for all the energy you got back. OUCH epic fail
LOL @ Ether Prodigy. Lose all your enchants, get exhausted, and lose health for all the energy you got back. OUCH epic fail
bhavv
Ether Prodigy = Epic Fail ???
Please learn to play an elementalist.
The whole point is that you use up all the energy as you gain it - you cast the spell when your energy has ran out, and keep on using the energy you get back.
Please learn to play an elementalist.
The whole point is that you use up all the energy as you gain it - you cast the spell when your energy has ran out, and keep on using the energy you get back.
Made In Ascalon
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
LOL @ Ether Prodigy. Lose all your enchants, get exhausted, and lose health for all the energy you got back. OUCH epic fail
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It was incredibly common during prophecies, factions too if I recall correctly. But as was said already, powercreep eventually eclipsed its usefulness.
bhavv
The reason why ether prodigy no longer sees play is because of several reasons. Prior to factions it was as popular in PVP as good old boon prot monks.
- Damage caused when Ether Prodigy ends was increased from 2x to 3x your energy left over.
- Heal party was nerfed to no longer affect allies across the whole map, rendering the Prodigy E/Mo flag runner a lot less usefull.
- The use of Ether Prodigy / Glyph of Renewal / Elemental Attunement fell into decline during factions, and with nightfall they were replaced entirely by much superior elite skills. This is maybe what you mean by power creep.
- Damage caused when Ether Prodigy ends was increased from 2x to 3x your energy left over.
- Heal party was nerfed to no longer affect allies across the whole map, rendering the Prodigy E/Mo flag runner a lot less usefull.
- The use of Ether Prodigy / Glyph of Renewal / Elemental Attunement fell into decline during factions, and with nightfall they were replaced entirely by much superior elite skills. This is maybe what you mean by power creep.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by Tender Wolf
LOL @ Ether Prodigy. Lose all your enchants, get exhausted, and lose health for all the energy you got back. OUCH epic fail
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Buster
Skull Crack - There is just so many better warrior elites to use.
Unyeilding Aura - If you put this on your skill bar you should be banished to pre-searing forever.
Keystone Signet - If someone could find a viable use for it then you are better than me. So many better elites to use as a mesmer.
There are just far too many elites for each class making alot of elites useless.
Unyeilding Aura - If you put this on your skill bar you should be banished to pre-searing forever.
Keystone Signet - If someone could find a viable use for it then you are better than me. So many better elites to use as a mesmer.
There are just far too many elites for each class making alot of elites useless.
Gamer6432
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Originally Posted by Buster
Unyeilding Aura - If you put this on your skill bar you should be banished to pre-searing forever.
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For the worst, I gotta go with Keystone Sig. There are enough signets now to make a decent all signet bar for mesmers, but they're too spread out across the various attribute lines to make it worth anything.
Kerwyn Nasilan
Half the worst elites on first page made it to some kind of meta (lol escapeway) in PvE/PvP kinda funny
dusanyu
still trying to figure out why quick shot is on the list the skill works well for spreading poison
preimmortal
Soul Bind is the worst.. just cast SV on the healer. Can't even stack it with monk hexes.
Arkantos
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Originally Posted by dusanyu
still trying to figure out why quick shot is on the list the skill works well for spreading poison
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Hyper.nl
Ether Prodigy:
This skill is one big fail. The 3 major downsides of using this skill makes using it a self inflicted agony.
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Dronte
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Originally Posted by AKB48
Well of Power
Mark of Protection Dark Apostasy Shadow Meld |
MoP is obviously bad.
Dark Apostasy is a great skill for any spike team.
Shadow Meld is the most imbalanced skill in HB, so yea, its great.
Kendel
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Originally Posted by Chronos the Defiler
no matter what you say...Amity (http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Amity) is by FAR the most useless elite skill ever conceived....period
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Binding Chains is the single most irritating skill you can ever have cast on you, enemies are inclined to ignore you and with Siphons flying around using up hex removal, in HM you spend 21 seconds with a 90% snare doing NOTHING.
If you could reliably single target DPS, something that shouldn't be unheard of, you could effectively. Or you could run vamp/degen.
Amity actually has the potential to be useful, but there are elites out there that simply don't have any use at all.
Buster... i think you might want to read Unyielding Aura again outside of a PvP outpost. If you can't understand how upto 63% healing and the best res in the game is now useful you need your head examined ><
Mordiego
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rage_of_the_Ntouka
my Vote. Absolute utter crap.
my Vote. Absolute utter crap.
EPO Bot
Decapitate. Anyone ever using it? It looks epic at first sight, but if it doesn't insta gib your target, you are screwed.
Hugh Manatee
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Originally Posted by Mordiego
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Rage_of_the_Ntouka
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I'll also defend Skull Crack, put that on a hero warrior or sin and watch them maul npc casters.
I'd say Amity, Keystone Signet, quick shot, Ravenous Gaze, Withdraw Hexes and maybe mark of protection are in the top slots as worst elite skill. Amity has no practical purpose and is to cumbersome to use effectively(it's easier to just kill a threat). Keystone has a few neat signet juggling tricks but it's just not that potent, Quick shot is outclassed by non elites. I could see ravenous used in like an 8 man situation, but it's way to risky, takes too much coordination and solo, compared to grenths balance it's sorta weak. Withdraw is sorta lost in powercreep, the new P&H or plain ol' expel hexes does better. And mark of protection sucks unless you're a dolyak rider, it's too expensive, only lasts about 12 seconds and takes way to long to recharge to be a serious prot.
I don't like scribe's insight very much either....
Burton2000
Im actually amazed people think ether prodigy is that bad of a skill lol. It is probably the best elite energy managment skill in the game and the only reason it doesn't see play now is because you dont need your elite for energy mangement anymore with buffs to attunements and glyphs. Theres loads of skills less powerful than it for sure.
Also to the person saying Spoil Victor is better than Soul Bind must forget that all the hexes are in the curses line and not blood magic.
Amity is clearly the worst elite skill in the game
Also to the person saying Spoil Victor is better than Soul Bind must forget that all the hexes are in the curses line and not blood magic.
Amity is clearly the worst elite skill in the game
Karate Jesus
In PvE:
In PvP:
- Ravenous Gaze (lol low life steal)
- Amity (I shouldn't need to say anything)
- Archer's Signet (alright! I get to extent conditions! ....with my bow.....um, never mind)
- Defiant Was Xinrae (wut's protective spirit?)
In PvP:
- Scribe's Insight (why is your monk using sigs in pvp?)
- Shroud of Silence (an elite blackout that sucks? nty)
- Unyielding Aura (PvP) (elite vengeance ftw!)
- Decapitate (You have huge domages!? Great! What else happens? Oh....so that's why no one uses you)
Eragon Zarroc
scribes insight