For PvEers: Why are you against an UAS ladder that does not affect you?

Note: Please do not make a kneejerk reply to this thread going "oh noes, another grind thread!" It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion. You can ignore this discussion at your own whim.

If there was an UAS ladder where only UAS pvp players could only play with UAS pvp players and would not be able to compete with the regular PvE characters in any way or participate in any PvE, why do you have problems with it?

Why are you so adamantly against a system that would completely unaffect you in any way and a large part of the fan base are asking for?

Note: I realize that this may be viewed as redundant and a rehash, but I think I can justify this thread's existence. I believe that this is an unresolved question that needs to be directly addressed in the community. Putting it in a more general thread will simply make it lost in a sea of other discussion.

I would be completely fine with that, I think some people would say that spliting the player base like that would make it harder to find good matchs, but yes I suggested this a few weeks ago.

It would reduce the number of people doing PvE and therefor make it harder for people doing PvE to find groups.

There is also a sense that PvE need to be kept relevant to the game by there being things there for you to earn, as opposed to pressing a button and having it all.

But I will make you a trade. If I can have a free sigil and a high guild ranking without ever setting foot in an arena, you can press a button and have all my skills. Fair enough?

In a word, what?
What grind? Why grind? And what does UAS mean? What is UAS?

Unlock All Skills. He wants to press a button and have access to all skills his two professions offer for use in PvP.

I would have no problem with that idea personally.. I mentioned in your last thread that it would be neat to see and "Guild Wars: Arena" version. My only problem would be if they removed the PvP portion of the game for us PvE folks. I actually do enjoy a bit of PvP each day.

THe only thing I'd want to insist on is if the UAS ladder had ZERO impact on the rest of the game or player.. Let the players who "grind" for their skills and items the way the devs intended battle in GvG or HoH to determine the underworld access and have the in-game bragging rights or what ever and leave the hardcore PvP folks to knock themselves out with mindnumbing, reptative PvP (Sorry.. I know you all don't look at it that way, but its how I feel after about an hour of PvP.. It really does go both ways. )

Thx.

Why is there always a dead horse getting beaten everywhere? It comes with the forum.

Isn't that a selfish attitude to take? Why should you force people to do PvE who simply want to PvP? A possible solution to this is to only allow an unlockable button once someone has 'beaten" the game.

PvE would be very relevant for the PvE ladder. Those who don't like PvE can play on a purely PvP ladder.

Uh, sure.

Please understand that PvPers don't want an UAS just to have "everything handed to them on a silver platter". PvPers merely want a level playing field that is truly based on skill and not grind.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting in a dual ladder system. PvE players would still be able to compete in a PvP ladder where you grind out your goodies.

You don't? I sure as hell do!

Just another thought.. If they did segregate the UAS players, it would let them potentially be in two different guilds.. One for the UAS side and one for the "Normal" side of the game, since there would be no interaction between the two other than game mechanics. And they could still dominate the regular ladders as they do now shold they choose to play the game the way it was actually designed to be played.

Seems fair enough that way to me.

Because the game is all about PvP, and PvE is just an added gimmick. One that I enjoy immensely, though. But while PvE will be lots of fun for me for a couple more months, I know that in the end, all I will be doing is PvP. An UAS button would make PvE pointless, and thus unenjoyable.

I support an option for PvPers to unlock their skills gradually through PvP without needing to participate in PvE at all. But I am very much against an option to have everything unlocked without any sort of effort or time investment. Then we'd really have CS in a fantasy setting.

the UAS people would not have any access to HoH and would not be able to GVG

also it would be completely off the record as far as any other rankings go

you would play your brains out strictly for fun not official standing

would that be acceptable to you?

Is reading comprehension really this hard?

Relevant point:

You keep the game untouched except to ADD pure pvp, UAS districts and ladders. Two ladders - the one already available, and the new pure pvp ladder. You want your grind to feel meaninful? Do the ladder where pve is enabled.

An unreasonable and not well thought-out limitation.

You're just trolling at this point. You aleady understand my feelings on the matter.
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Lazarous, I think this thread is kind of getting to the crux of the matter. Some people simply think in non sequiturs. The PvEers who want compromise are pretty reasonable though. Celes, I think being able to obtain everything that you could in PvE through PvP is a good suggestion if it is able to be done in a reasonable timeframe.

No. Not when it would be as simple as having a second ladder set up exclusively for UAS builds.

The game is fine as it is, do not change a thing. As a matter of fact remove the forum, there shoudn't be whining and discussion on forums...
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To the OP:

I have no problem at all with what you suggest, however, from all that I understand, A.Net does. They have stated that GW is to be one game with PvE and PvP integrated. Unless they have changed their position they have no interest in making one game into two.

[QUOTE=AirOnG]An unreasonable and not well thought-out limitation.

You're just trolling at this point. You aleady understand my feelings on the matter.
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actually no

it was my way of pointing out that there can be two sides of an extreme

notice that i asked as a question and did not make it as a flat statement that this is the way it should be

if you took it as trolling i apologize

I don't see this as a good idea, simply because it would split the game into two. The ultimate goal of a game is to keep the people playing as long as possible, and this course of action is a last resort.

Yet you neglected how the extreme ends were harmful to the game. Therefore it's a half-baked statement. You also put your statement in a way that made you sound like you spited at the idea of a UAS ladder. That doesn't help your own credibility in anything.

But your question lacks reason. Lacks logic. And therefore, being a silly question, it lacks worth. People read it and go "are you stupid?" rather then "oh, I get it".