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ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:39 - 41

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Originally Posted by Synthos

I even get confronted on a daily basis by preaching bums.

Same here. Remember; don't let that get to you

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:39 - 42

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I'm not upset that I can't be in the NAACP

You can be in the NAACP. Hell it was founded(in part) by Whitey.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:40 - 43

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

No it's not! If I make a guild for anime fans and spam, "Are you an anime fan? Consider joining the Otaku Guild!", I am not implying that if you are not an anime fan you are not "good" enough to join. Just that you probably wouldn't be interested...

Anime fan is a hobby/interest, religion or race is something more serious and a lot more personal. So comparing the two is pointless.

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:41 - 44

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Originally Posted by Than

You can be in the NAACP. Hell it was founded(in part) by Whitey.

I don't recall that person. What's his last name?

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:42 - 45

Mary White Ovington

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:42 - 46

Ehm..."White People."

Dreamsmith

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:42 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

Anime fan is a hobby/interest, religion or race is something more serious and a lot more personal. So comparing the two is pointless.

I wasn't. I was pointing out a flawed argument, and used an example to demonstrate the flaw in the logic.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:42 - 48

Anybody notice the presence of all those Christianity Ads at the top of the page?

Edit: Nevermind, they went away

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:43 - 49

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

Mary White Ovington

Touche. Didn't even know that.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:44 - 50

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

I don't think that's true. "Drink from this public fountain" is not the same as "join my personal club". I'm not upset that I can't be in the NAACP, nor do I figure they think they're better than me just because they want their forum to be exclusive to people of a certain kind.

Guildwars is a public game. Thus not letting someone join your guild because of their religion is discrimination. If you dont get hired for a private company because of your race/sex/religion you woulnt consider it disrimination cause it's a "private company"?

Shoddy

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2005

16 Jun 2005 at 18:45 - 51

The Internet has a way of reverting some people to middle school. I wouldn't worry about whatever backlash you're getting. It's likely 10 times less offensive than the crap that gets said about Koreans before every stinking round in the Tombs. Some people just enjoy being abusive to everyone they meet who isn't entirely mainstream.

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:45 - 52

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Originally Posted by Talizar

What if i was "Are you white? Consider drinking from this fountain?" you dont think black people would find this offensive?

Christianity is a choice. Last I checked, nobody chose their race.

Alternatively, inviting people who share a common world view is markedly different from excluding someone based on the color of their skin.

More simply, your analogy is flawed and ignorant at best.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:46 - 53

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

I wasn't. I was pointing out a flawed argument, and used an example to demonstrate the flaw in the logic.

Then i do not understand. How is presenting an irrelevant example point our a flawed argument on a completely unrelated topic?

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:46 - 54

He never said you couldn't join if you were not christian. But, it was also implied that Christians would enjoy the guild more

Chowley

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:47 - 55

I dont think religion has any place in a game, but neither does the abuse you recieve.

People are verbally abused in this game because of their nationality, theres just lots of langers in this game.

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:47 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Christianity is a choice. Last I checked, nobody chose their race.

Alternatively, inviting people who share a common world view is markedly different from excluding someone based on the color of their skin.

More simply, your analogy is flawed and ignorant at best.

Michael Jackson chose his race

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:48 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Christianity is a choice. Last I checked, nobody chose their race.

Alternatively, inviting people who share a common world view is markedly different from excluding someone based on the color of their skin.

More simply, your analogy is flawed and ignorant at best.

What if i advertise my guild as "Intelligent Pvp/pve guild recruiting more members, no christians allowed."

Or i just spam Christians are morons, that wont offend u at all cause christianity is a choice =)

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:48 - 58

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Originally Posted by Synthos

Michael Jackson chose his race

dang, it's over...

elenna

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:49 - 59

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Anybody notice the presence of all those Christianity Ads at the top of the page?

Edit: Nevermind, they went away

They're still there on my screen. It is odd.

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:49 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

Guildwars is a public game. Thus not letting someone join your guild because of their religion is discrimination. If you dont get hired for a private company because of your race/sex/religion you woulnt consider it disrimination cause it's a "private company"?

Guildwars is not a public game. It is a product created by a privately held company for the purpose of creating revenue. Additionally, non-profit social organizations are considered private entities and are entitled to have requirements for membership (in fact, they MUST have requirements if they want to incorporate under the official designation, which I believe is 501(c)(3), feel free to correct me ).

Additionally, your lumping together of race and religion as having the same inviolate rights is fallacious. Race is an immutable fact of nature; religion is not.

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:49 - 61

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Originally Posted by Synthos

Good point, but relgion is still a factor.

If you really want to press the point, perhaps you should consider the fact that atheist dictators like Stalin, Hitler, Moa, and others are responsible for some of the world's greatest attrocities.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:50 - 62

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Originally Posted by elenna

They're still there on my screen. It is odd.

Especially the one about "Persecution"...suspicious

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:51 - 63

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Especially the one about "Persecution"...suspicious

the ad engine probably gets key words from the page and pops up an appropriate ad...just a marketing technique

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:51 - 64

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

If you really want to press the point, perhaps you should consider the fact that atheist dictators like Stalin, Hitler, Moa, and others are responsible for some of the world's greatest attrocities.

If you really want, I could point out all the atrocities caused by "christian" leadership

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:51 - 65

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keesa

Guildwars is not a public game. It is a product created by a privately held company for the purpose of creating revenue. Additionally, non-profit social organizations are considered private entities and are entitled to have requirements for membership (in fact, they MUST have requirements if they want to incorporate under the official designation, which I believe is 501(c)(3), feel free to correct me ).

Additionally, your lumping together of race and religion as having the same inviolate rights is fallacious. Race is an immutable fact of nature; religion is not.

The laws are the same for descriminating against a persons race as they are against their religion or sexual orientation for that matter.

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:52 - 66

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

What if i advertise my guild as "Intelligent Pvp/pve guild recruiting more members, no christians allowed."

I would have no problem with that any more than I would have a problem if someone formed a guild that specifically excluded fans of Star Trek.

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Or i just spam Christians are morons, that wont offend u at all cause christianity is a choice =)

No, it wouldn't offend me in the least. I might think you're an idiot, but i wouldn't be offended.

Kryss

Ascalonian Squire

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:52 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

What if i advertise my guild as "Intelligent Pvp/pve guild recruiting more members, no christians allowed."

Or i just spam Christians are morons, that wont offend u at all cause christianity is a choice =)

THAT would be in violation of the rules of this game. And he's never stated that non Christians are not allowed. These are just some people that share and practice the same belief system in life and game.

Give it up, if he's in violation it will be dealt with if not /ignore.

Dreamsmith

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:53 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

If you really want to press the point, perhaps you should consider the fact that atheist dictators like Stalin, Hitler, Moa, and others are responsible for some of the world's greatest attrocities.

Actually, Hitler was Christian, but your other examples and your general point is sound.

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:54 - 69

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

The laws are the same for descriminating against a persons race as they are against their religion or sexual orientation for that matter.

Not true (but unless you have a background in civil rights law we won't go there). And regardless, the application of the law that you're trying to use to justify your argument does not apply to social organizations established within the bounds of a privately held property.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:54 - 70

ANYWAY...The point i was trying to make originaly is keep your beliefs out of the game. It's not enough all the problems it causes in real world but people must drag it into fantasy worlds as well. And what kind of a christian organization are u running when it's based on killing things and taking their stuff?

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:55 - 71

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

If you really want, I could point out all the atrocities caused by "christian" leadership

I would prefer the term "Human leadership." Religion has jack to do with being a complete F***tard. Its just a means to an end for some, same for nationality, race, or what have you.

Edit:That of course doesn't make being White or German inherently evil/bad. Theres more to a way of life then the F***tards who are willing to kill in its name.

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:56 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Actually, Hitler was Christian, but your other examples and your general point is sound.

You could go as far to say that money and power is a religion. Both are worshiped, change peoples lives, and have followers.

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:56 - 73

Allow me to interrupt the love fest for a minute: are we all away from our gaming machines at the moment? I for one would be playing now rather than read these pointless little tiffs... So where is everyone at???

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:56 - 74

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Originally Posted by Than

Religion has jack to do with being a complete F***tard.

I agree and disagree. While religion is really separate from being a total asshat, sometimes people hide behind it or use it as an excuse; and then it gets dragged into the equation

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:57 - 75

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

ANYWAY...The point i was trying to make originaly is keep your beliefs out of the game. It's not enough all the problems it causes in real world but people must drag it into fantasy worlds as well. And what kind of a christian organization are u running when it's based on killing things and taking their stuff?

Your opinions, when not presented as fact or shored up by insupportable arguments regarding alleged discrimination, are yours and you are free to express them in a respectful manner.

So is the OP.

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:57 - 76

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

If you really want, I could point out all the atrocities caused by "christian" leadership

Be my guest. The point I was challenging was the previous claim in this thread that religion was responsible, in whole or in part, for every act war.

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:57 - 77

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I agree and disagree. While religion is really separate from being a total asshat, sometimes people hide behind it or use it as an excuse; and then it gets dragged into the equation

Like I said a means to an end, for some. I will not let the infractions of a few spoil my image of the whole.

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:57 - 78

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

Allow me to interrupt the love fest for a minute: are we all away from our gaming machines at the moment? I for one would be playing now rather than read these pointless little tiffs... So where is everyone at???

On hold, at work.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:58 - 79

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

Allow me to interrupt the love fest for a minute: are we all away from our gaming machines at the moment? I for one would be playing now rather than read these pointless little tiffs... So where is everyone at???

I got another hour to kill at work.

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:58 - 80

2 for me then an hour drive home