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ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 18:59 - 81

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

The point I was challenging was the previous claim in this thread that religion was responsible, in whole or in part, for every act war.

Oh. Then you would be correct that some secular dictators/leaders/etc. commit heinous acts

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:00 - 82

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Actually, Hitler was Christian...

No he wasn't. This is a historical myth.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:00 - 83

In responce to one of the earlier posts that hitler was not religious...that is not the point who did he hate and wanted to destroy? Jews and Gays...and last i checked judaism(sp?) is a religion.

Dreamsmith

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Minnesota

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:00 - 84

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Originally Posted by Talizar

ANYWAY...The point i was trying to make originaly is keep your beliefs out of the game. It's not enough all the problems it causes in real world but people must drag it into fantasy worlds as well.

A person's beliefs are a large part of their identity, of who they are. In an online environment, where people don't meet face-to-face, they're a larger part of your identity than your race. Why should anyone feel compelled to hide themselves away, to leave themselves out? Instead, other people should be chastised for attacking someone based on their beliefs, just as surely as they should for attacking someone based on their race.

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And what kind of a christian organization are u running when it's based on killing things and taking their stuff?

A Guild Wars guild, perhaps?

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:02 - 85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

No he wasn't. This is a historical myth.

He certainly wasn't and atheist.

The religion of Hitler is a touchy subject imho.

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:02 - 86

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Originally Posted by Mountain Man

No he wasn't. This is a historical myth.

Hitler strongly belived that his race was the pure one that ascended from Atlantis, This is very similar to a relgion of a sort.

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:03 - 87

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

In responce to one of the earlier posts that hitler was not religious...that is not the point who did he hate and wanted to destroy? Jews and Gays...and last i checked judaism(sp?) is a religion.

Actually, he was perfectly happy obliterating all non-Aryans. Also, Judaism is a nation as much as it is a religion.

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:05 - 88

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Originally Posted by Synthos

Hitler strongly belived that his race was the pure one that ascended from Atlantis, This is very similar to a relgion of a sort.

"Decended"

Though I don't belive I ever heard the "Atlantis" part. While to my knowledge Hitler didn't adhear to a certain Church or Dogma he did have a 'religion' or sorts. And wasn't scared in the least to invoke biblical justifications for his actions.

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:05 - 89

For those who don't know the meaning of Aryan: In Nazism and neo-Nazism, a non-Jewish Caucasian, especially one of Nordic type, supposed to be part of a master race

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:07 - 90

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Originally Posted by Than

"Decended"

Though I don't belive I ever heard the "Atlantis" part. While to my knowledge Hitler didn't adhear to a certain Church or Dogma he did have a 'religion' or sorts. And wasn't scared in the least to invoke biblical justifications for his actions.

Hahah.. yep, have been playing to much GW

Hitler had archeologists looking for it endlessly and everything, thats where he belived his blue eyed blond haired race came from. Well the point i was making is that this was a very strong belief that is very similar to a religion.

Dreamsmith

Elite Guru

Join Date: Feb 2005

Minnesota

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:07 - 91

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

No he wasn't. This is a historical myth.

An historical fact, actually, well documented by his public statements and his overtly Christian statements in Mein Kampf. There's a nice compilation of them here.

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:08 - 92

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synthos

Hitler strongly belived that his race was the pure one that ascended from Atlantis, This is very similar to a relgion of a sort.

Yeah, but it sure as heck wasn't Christianity!

But, my point still stands: it was Hitler the man who was responsible for the Holocaust, not Hitler's religion, whatever it was.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:08 - 93

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

A person's beliefs are a large part of their identity, of who they are. In an online environment, where people don't meet face-to-face, they're a larger part of your identity than your race. Why should anyone feel compelled to hide themselves away, to leave themselves out? Instead, other people should be chastised for attacking someone based on their beliefs, just as surely as they should for attacking someone based on their race.

In guildwars u play your character not yourself. Last i checked i did not see any Jesus statues in the game neither is he listed in the list of deities in the manual, so when i am in game i dont see a reason to be hearing about him. I am not attacking christianity or any other belief, if they want to recruit christians just recruit normally and then in tells ask if they are a christian and if not dont let em join.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:08 - 94

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Originally Posted by Synthos

Hahah.. yep, have been playing to much GW

Hitler had archeologists looking for it endlessly and everything, thats where he belived his blue eyed blond haired race came from.

Hitler listened to quacks too much. His astrologer told him to invade Russia in the damn winter, and you know what? He took the moronic advice. And now the world is a better place because of his stupidity

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:09 - 95

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Hitler listened to quacks too much. His astrologer told him to invade Russia in the damn winter, and you know what? He took the moronic advice. And now the world is a better place because of his stupidity

Actually he invaded in the Summer. Just not early enough to take Moscow before winter arrived in full force. Though it is questionable if the fall of Moscow would have precipitated the SU's fall.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:10 - 96

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Yeah, but it sure as heck wasn't Christianity!

But, my point still stands: it was Hitler the man who was responsible for the Holocaust, not Hitler's religion, whatever it was.

yes but the original point was that RELIGION was responsible for Holocaust, and not christianity.

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:10 - 97

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Yeah, but it sure as heck wasn't Christianity!

But, my point still stands: it was Hitler the man who was responsible for the Holocaust, not Hitler's religion, whatever it was.

Hitler formed a religion through his actions, i never claimed it to be christianity.

Creston

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:10 - 98

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

To be a Christian is to be persecuted.

Matthew 24:9
Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.

Amen.

I wouldn't let it bother me, if I was you. Or at least, try not to let it bother you more than it would otherwise.

If any of your guild ever wants to join up, feel free to message me ingame. Shauna Wolfsclaw or any of my iterations.

Btw, I know of another Christian guild, lead by Christine Ossaran, I think they're called the Harbingers of Hope. Fine people all of them, you could see if you can get in touch with them and about merging / joining up or something

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Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:11 - 99

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

For those who don't know the meaning of Aryan: In Nazism and neo-Nazism, a non-Jewish Caucasian, especially one of Nordic type, supposed to be part of a master race

Most Slavic peoples were part of the slaughter. And before we rewrite Nazism to suit the philosophical beliefs that were formed alongside the practical need, please remember that Jews were targetted first and mainly because there were many large commercial and property interests held by prominent Jewish men that would serve Hitler's interests better in the hands of his cronies. It was pragmatically brilliant. But whole family trees of non-Jewish Romanians were completely wiped out as were families of gypsies and other Baltic groups.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:11 - 100

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Originally Posted by Than

Actually he invaded in the Summer. Just not early enough to take Moscow before winter arrived in full force. Though it is questionable if the fall of Moscow would have precipitated the SU's fall.

Sorry, should have rephrased it. He was fighting in Russia during the winter...

History...meh

Reiden Argrock

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:11 - 101

OMFArse

I'm starting to hate work just cause when I have nothing to do I end up on these forums and have to read all this nonsense. Who cares about hitler? wars? even religion? this post is about a guy who's getting flamed because he was recruiting for his guild that he wants to be made up of christians. Someone mentioned something about a public game and that by doing this is discrimination or some garbage. Well only recruiting lvl 20's, and only air ele's and only people from New York, those are all discriminating as well. Who cares!
I say that this person recruiting for an all christian guild is just fine. If you don't want to hear it, then turn off local chat.
And as for getting flamed for trying to have a guild for the community aspect of like minded individuals, if they say something to you, put em on the ignore list and get on with your life.

And just to cover my own arse, I am not a christian, nor any other known religion I have ever heard of. I guess you could say i'm undecided, and don't plan on deciding before I die

If a all powerful being exists, thats nice, if not, thats nice to, I'd rather spend sundays playing GW or sleeping or hanging out with friends at the park or hiking or something. I think these are better for my soul.

/rant off

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:13 - 102

Just passing time in class

Its finals week so i needed to get off some stress.

Besides, this is a nice break from the..
FARMING IS UNESSISARY!!
other- I LIKE FARMING...

GUILD WARS SUCKS NOW,
other- NO IT DOESNT

Than

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:13 - 103

Heh, avoiding work myself.

Kuku Monk

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:14 - 104

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Originally Posted by Than

Heh, avoiding work myself.

Who isn't

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:15 - 105

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

In guildwars u play your character not yourself. Last i checked i did not see any Jesus statues in the game neither is he listed in the list of deities in the manual, so when i am in game i dont see a reason to be hearing about him. I am not attacking christianity or any other belief, if they want to recruit christians just recruit normally and then in tells ask if they are a christian and if not dont let em join.

Or, you could just /ignore.

Whether you like it or not, most people do not remain in character in MMORPGs, particularly in their guildchat and other private communication channels.

I think it's far better to advertise up front so no one's time is wasted if there are philosophical differences.

Reiden Argrock

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:15 - 106

Penny Arcade passes the time nicely

Mountain Man

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:17 - 107

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

An historical fact, actually, well documented by his public statements and his overtly Christian statements in Mein Kampf. There's a nice compilation of them here.

There really isn't any Christian theology in Hitler's speeches and thus no indication that Hitler was actually a Christian. What I see is a man using the name of Christianity to promote his own hateful regime.

Cap'n Hoek

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:17 - 108

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Actually, Hitler was Christian, but your other examples and your general point is sound.

Calling yourself something and actually being something are two different paths.

Talizar

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:18 - 109

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Originally Posted by Keesa

Or, you could just /ignore.

Whether you like it or not, most people do not remain in character in MMORPGs, particularly in their guildchat and other private communication channels.

I think it's far better to advertise up front so no one's time is wasted if there are philosophical differences.

I think more peoples time is waisted reading those ads in gen chat and then hearing all the crap it starts up.

Cap'n Hoek

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:19 - 110

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

I agree and disagree. While religion is really separate from being a total asshat, sometimes people hide behind it or use it as an excuse; and then it gets dragged into the equation

And so it is up to us as intelligent beings to then separate it once again.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:20 - 111

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Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

Calling yourself something and actually being something are two different paths.

Yeah...like how around 75% of "christians" are just calling themselves christian (at least where I live). Jesus actually promoted love and tolerance, but I don't see much of that today. Do you?

Dreamsmith

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:21 - 112

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Hitler listened to quacks too much.

So did the Reagans. That didn't make Ron and Nancy non-Christian.

Hitler's astrological or Atlantis beliefs have nothing to do with his religious ones, nor to they form a religion of a sort. Religion is not simply strong belief, and it is not simply supernatural belief -- pointing out someone's beliefs along these lines doesn't make a case for any particular religion on their part, pro or con.

ManadartheHealer

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:22 - 113

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

So did the Reagans. That didn't make Ron and Nancy non-Christian.

I was never arguing against your point that Hitler was Christian. I couldn't care either way; I already have disdain for both

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:22 - 114

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cap'n Hoek

And so it is up to us as intelligent beings to then separate it once again.

How intelligent are we really? We have been only on this planet for a blink of an eye

Did anyone see that wierd article about the cannabalistic yeti hobbit people some archeologist found? Wierd stuff.. The strangest thing is that i am being serious..

DarrenJasper

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:24 - 115

Is it Hitler Day or something? How does he keep sneaking into every thread?

Kuku Monk

Wilds Pathfinder

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:24 - 116

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Originally Posted by Synthos

How intelligent are we really? We have been only on this planet for a blink of an eye

Did anyone see that wierd article about the cannabalistic yeti hobbit people some archeologist found? Wierd stuff.. The strangest thing is that i am being serious..

Can you be a Yeti and a Hobbit at the same time? Isn't that contradictory?

Keesa

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:24 - 117

Quote:

Originally Posted by Talizar

I think more peoples time is waisted reading those ads in gen chat and then hearing all the crap it starts up.

You are not going to stop people advertising in general chat so trying to limit who gets to advertise is ludicrous. You always have the option of /ignore. Time is not wasted by passively receiving information; it IS wasted by having to actively seek out information.

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:25 - 118

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

Can you be a Yeti and a Hobbit at the same time? Isn't that contradictory?

trying to find the damn article, was on newscientist and natioalgeographic.
It was about a fully bipedal small brained monkey people, that lived only 10,000 years ago when fully developed people lived.

salja Wachi

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:26 - 119

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Originally Posted by ManadartheHealer

Not lose; fail miserably. "Loss" would infer that it was an actual contest to begin with

this must be one of the mentally disabled liberlas we all see entirely too much of.

go to the ACLU boards

Synthos

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16 Jun 2005 at 19:29 - 120

Ah

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