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Astraea Zopyros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

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Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 05:28 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

I don't usually heal pets. Unless my energy is 2/3 full and everyone is at or above 80-90% HP, I won't heal them. I know full well that your skills will blackout when your pet dies. I also know full well that you have skills to heal your pet. In battle, I would rather spend the 5-10 energy to heal you as opposed to your pet. I'm sorry if that isn't acceptable, but that's the way it is. (I'm really not trying to be snobbish or arrogant, but trying to put the team's interest first).

Everyone, we have to remember this isn't a problem just with the monk class, but really is exemplified by the monk class. Monks are very visible and highly desirable--as such, we see a lot more of the problem there. However, until everyone agrees to calm down, relax, and realize that everyone is human, it's not going to change.

CorstedPirate

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of the Void

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 06:32 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Lol, when I saw this title, I thought you meant all of the abusive monks out there. Most monks are fine, but sometimes you get these really snobby, elitist monks who think they can take advantage of you because they're the one healing you. I got in an argument with a monk over a non-game related issue, and he refused to heal me the entire mission.

I admitt, I say something when things go badly. I ask people to take a look at their builds. Generally I am nice about it, but not always. I got through both games with my build, but if things go wrong I am still willing to change up if I need to. Other people should be willing to do the same if what they are using doesn't work. No one should be thinking "it wasn't me." It was a bad combo which everyone was a part of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

I have no problems trying to keep the pet healed some. I do have a problem with being the only one healing the pet though. No Ranger of any kind should bring a pet and expect the monk to heal it if they won't. I hate the black out as much as anyone, it is bad for the team. The first time the pet dies and is rezed will show the truth of just what kind of beast master the person is.

Today I witnessed a Ranger that didn't seem to mind being blacked out almost constantly because of their pet. It really wasn't pretty. They had next to nothing in beast mastery. Would res their pet as soon as it had died or their black out was over, until the end of each battle. It wasn't a tombs run.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 08:59 - 243

To the best of my knowledge this doesn't happen anymore the black out of a Ranger skills when the pet dies.I would suggest as a beast master it is your rightfull responsiblity to keep your pet alive if you have comfort animal.I to play Ranger and know full well but I don't play beastmaster.This would be no different than an MM asking to keep thier minions alive we won't do that either that is up to them.There are certian types of missions that need an inturrerpt/trapper Ranger which is what I play and we don't need MMs around all the time this when they keep useing blood of the master and if they die the minions tun on the rest of the team.There are time when a good SS or Blood Necro is needed.

The Fire Islands missions usually need and inturrerpt/trapper Ranger not a beastmaster and the same goes for THK.I really get annoyed when I see a pet when we enter mission and the Ranger doesn't tell anyone they just say barrage.It would be best if you look at it from our angle not yours we see more going on then what you do.

Nexus Icon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Natis Ignigena

Me/

26 Jun 2006 at 09:18 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

This would be no different than an MM asking to keep thier minions alive we won't do that either that is up to them.

Speak for yourself, if we're between mobs, I do my utmost to help keep those minions alive. Granted, it's too difficult in combat, but they're too valuable to just let die between mobs.

I personally believe that the forced reliance on monks is getting to be ridiculous. They are the only class that are absolutely, positively REQUIRED for a group, be it PvE or PvP. This means that the balance of power automatically shifts to the monks, and this is wrong.
No one class should be allowed such power over your playing experience.
I don't have a solution to this problem in mind, I just know that a solution is required.

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

26 Jun 2006 at 09:48 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

To the best of my knowledge this doesn't happen anymore the black out of a Ranger skills when the pet dies.

Your skills still black out when your pet dies, I checked it after reading your quote.

Braggi

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 09:59 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by Astraea Zopyros

I don't usually heal pets. Unless my energy is 2/3 full and everyone is at or above 80-90% HP, I won't heal them. I know full well that your skills will blackout when your pet dies. I also know full well that you have skills to heal your pet. In battle, I would rather spend the 5-10 energy to heal you as opposed to your pet. I'm sorry if that isn't acceptable, but that's the way it is. (I'm really not trying to be snobbish or arrogant, but trying to put the team's interest first).

My monk heals pets - and not only as a passtime with excess energy. Some of my healing spells are superior to the rangers pet heal, and he should have better use for his energy.

It depends on the contribution the pet makes to the team, which can be way better than some players'

. I prefer a well-managed pet to a "leeroy" energy sink. All things being equal the player has of course higher priority, as the pet gets no DP.

Minus Sign

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/N

26 Jun 2006 at 10:18 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Dear god, I didn't even notice- this started on the eighth of June LAST year. Talk about beating a dead horse..

yeah; thread necromancy ftw.

About pets. I heal them, beast master or no. I don't like to see anything die when I'm monking. Most monks don't. Some even take it personally.

They don't take priority over other people though, and being the second stupidiest AI (I know you rangers out there don't want to hear that of your beloved companion, but face it, they can be downright dumb!) barely in front of Minions, I don't shed too many tears when they shuffle off this mortal coil. I also don't heal level 5s (or 15s that often) in a level 20 area. you want to level your pet, thats good. But don't make my job 80 times harder by expecting me to powerlevel your pet. Its the same as with a player: if I know they are going to be a pain in my butt to heal, I don't want them in the group. Buy new armor, or you make my job harder. Level up with quests before you get upset that no one will drag you through a tough mission. Level up your pet before you bring him into a PuG.

Only problem is, you can often tell just by looking before the group zones that someone has low grade armor, and their level is plainly displayed next to their name. A low level pet is a dirty surprise to a monk; possibly part of the bias some hold toward healing any of them now.

What does tend to upset me is when that pet's ranger starts pinging their pet after they've died. Do I have /R behind my Mo? If I don't there's not thing 1 I can do about it. Next time, bring your pet rez (and heal) if you want scruffy to stick around beyound his first spike.

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

(Monks) are the only class that are absolutely, positively REQUIRED for a group, be it PvE or PvP...I don't have a solution to this problem in mind, I just know that a solution is required.

Seek Rits young Padawan. Commune with their Force and you shall find your faith Restored.

EDIT: of course, I'll be waiting to see that Sick and Tired of the rit abuse thread...

ekamdu

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Holland

Legion of Sacred Light

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 10:43 - 248

man i love this thread!!! its so true!

ive been a monk for over a year now (made this char a week or 2 after guild wars came out) and ive been playing it loads... seriously loads...

i can say im a good monk... boon healer and most of the time i can keep everyone alive... and its rather easy because i have two very good friends who both have a monk... and both are quite good with it... ive finished prophecies and factions easily without any difficulties (only had to do THK 3 times, all the other missions 1st try) so i had quite the luck with that

but the problem what you see here is the players who arent monk... a lot (not all) rely a 100% on the monks for life... well i've played a necro/mesmer (finished prophecies) a warrior/monk (finished prophecies and factions) and a Elementalist/something (finished prophecies) and with all the characters i always tried to keep myself alive to make sure the monks didnt have to heal me non stop... i became life leacher with my necro my warrior was half healing and i just ran away from the mobs with my elem

but most of the people are just to stupid to see that monks cant heal everything... there are still warriors out there using frenzy while being attacked... there should be somekind of education on how to keep yourself alive and make the monks work easier...

by the way to add something to this, i had to do THK three times because the first two times half my party wasnt infused... seriously people are idiots

*EDIT* btw i only heal pets when im at full energy, or when everyone in the party is at 90-100%... i'd rather see a lv 20 warrior do massive dmg then some bear or white tiger attack

lexandro of Albion

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Droknars Forge

Tartan Titans

W/Mo

26 Jun 2006 at 11:50 - 249

i can honestly say i have been on both sides of the wa/mo ~ mo/me argument.
Many a time i have been told as wa/mo
"why did u aggro that whole group!"
"no healing for u and no rez!"
answer coz i can hold them around me while the AoE spells kill there ass.
Any warrior/ monk who doesnt self heal is pointless. Why take monk 2nd if ure not going to use it? And if a wa/mo doesnt tank hard who will? ure crappy mo/wa ? get a life! you have crap armour!
And as a monk ive had many messages of
"wtf why didnt u heal me noob!"
answer coz ure an ele who just agrroed 10 monsters on ureself , and i cant cast fast enough before u die horribly.
or my personal favourite
"i have a XX% dp" ->rush + agrro boss
"wa/mo is dead!"
"wheres the healing , u monk noob!"
er if u have bugger all health due to ure own stupidity and agrro before i can regen how the hell do u expect me to keep u alive with bosses doing 200+ damage when u have less than 200hp?

so peeps when u join a pug team that fails miserabley ,dont immediatly blame the war or the monk . more likely is that one moron in the group has a crap skill set or is a complete idiot with basic armour . Give everyone a chance , when u have identified the weak link just dump them or leave.
And if u do run into any snobish behavour simply inform them that :
1: u are only human and make mistakes
2: if they die alot its probably there own fault
3: someone says "drop the XXXX or my monk leaves" fine , tell them to leave then ill take the henchies as ive completed all of tyria and cantha with henchies.

And finaly remeber that a good chunk of the community is pre-pubescent teens with the iq of dry toast so arguing is pointless. Prove ureself through deeds and actions and show them why they are so crap!

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There is nothing wrong with the world today , except for the people who live on it"

yellowcrown

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

Eastern US

Geezers

E/Mo

26 Jun 2006 at 13:32 - 250

Monks, I love 'em. Try to never play without one, when I can find one. I respect them too and for the month or so I have been playing the game have learned there is good and bad in everything, even Monks.

I have two characters, a W/R 14 and an E/Mo 14. When I play the W in a group and there is a Monk I always ask if the build is a smiting or healing Monk. I have died more than once while the Monk was off battling instead of healing. Because my W is expected to be in the middle of skirmishes I always advertise my health and energy stats before jumping into the next battle. My Warrior needs precious energy too and a good healing Monk if the party is to survive.

Knowledgable, perhaps older or more experienced, players understand the team concept and what it takes to succeed as a team and lose as a team. Both happen and can be a learning experience. It's easy to blame someone else for your failure and not always easy to accept responsibility. The bottom line for me is that it's still just a game and a good way to learn about people in general.

I've been playing video games since the first Pong was introduced (oops my age is showing) and have been addicted ever since. The Diablo series was by far my favorite but lost it's charm when my lvl 98 Amazon was nerfed by a patch and the chat areas were filled with spam and profanity.

If one of you Monks is ever looking for a friendly team member for a group I'd love to join. Look for Sire Blackadder or Dame Lusty Wench in the evenings (EDT). Just got to Borlis with both and I've never even seen LA or any of the more advanced areas. Maybe one of you could help me with my builds so I can learn and play the game better.

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

26 Jun 2006 at 13:52 - 251

I saw a monk get abused for the first time yesterday, and it sickened me. Some noob kept running in alone and dying instantly, and he said "where was the healing", "next time heal me noob monk", "you suck as a monk". I wasn't the monk during this, but I thought it was disgusting for the poor monk, because he was doing nothing wrong.

It was only this moron that was dying, and I told him to shut up, it wasn't the monk's fault. What was nice was the whole team then backed me up and the other members of the team said things like "thanks for the healing, I think you are doing a great job" etc. After that the insulting guy shut up and we went on to finish what we were doing

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

26 Jun 2006 at 14:21 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corinthian

"I have no energy" is a bad excuse for a monk. Any boon healer with MoR can keep up even with the crazy warrior taking on the second group seconds after beating the first.

This usually works in PvE, but often is not true in PvP. EOE spike groups and degen groups and shatter enchantments w/energy denial screw up my Boon/prot monk every time.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

26 Jun 2006 at 16:09 - 253

Every now and than I run out of energy, but that only happens when someone aggros to much with crappy armour. In that case I cope as long as I can, and retreat backwards when the battle is over. When someone aggros again, they are on their own.
I just wished Master Togo wasn't such a noob. The guy is a Ritualist, for crying out loud. Why doesn't he stop tanking and aggroing?

Astraea Zopyros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save the Ascalonian Rabbit [STAR]

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 17:19 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

I just wished Master Togo wasn't such a noob. The guy is a Ritualist, for crying out loud. Why doesn't he stop tanking and aggroing?

They should add a new saying for him.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Togo

You are a pox on Cantha, and I am the cure!

Moa Bird Cultist

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Hastings (UK) / Latham (USA)

Freedom Fanatical Scots [FFS]

E/W

26 Jun 2006 at 17:38 - 255

I have something to say here.

I have 2 monks, 1 healer and 1 smiter.

Monks DO make mistakes. I should know - I've made them, time and again, usually at a huge detriment to the group. I'm only human after all, I make mistakes, just like anyone else.

Secondly, Monks: The world does not infact revolve around you. In a high level party, you are 1/8th of the effort put into making an outing a success - 1/8th, not half or three quarters, but one eighth of the input. Just because a monk's actions are much more obvious than any other class, does not mean that the warden in your party is irrelevant, or that the warrior who is tanking for the group/spiking an important enemy is not contributing towards the overall goal of the party. If you know what you're doing and theyre reasonably experienced, you have little to fear.

Thirdly, we do not have a god-given right to totally refuse any assassins when forming a party. Assuming that all assassins are a liability is wrong, full stop. I could go into details, but i expect most people have encountered many a decent zin on their travels. I only made my healing monk so that there would be a monk available for any assassins in my guild/alliance, but I'm at best, second rate at it, I'm quite prepared to admit. Why? Because, as I said, I make mistakes. The only thing that makes me a second rate monk compared to a lot of others then is that I'll admit it when it's my fault, which it is, my fair share of the time.

So there you have it: My bottom line is that the earth does not revolve around the monk(s) in a party, we merely do our job, just like everyone else.

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 20:24 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

Your skills still black out when your pet dies, I checked it after reading your quote.

I checked Anets updates and it says it doesn't disable on revive.

Astraea Zopyros

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Save the Ascalonian Rabbit [STAR]

Mo/

26 Jun 2006 at 20:34 - 257

Quote:

Originally Posted by Age

I checked Anets updates and it says it doesn't disable on revive.

On revive, maybe, but I'm pretty sure it disables on death. I'm also more inclined to believe in-game evidence.

Maybe it used to disable it when you revived your pet as well as when it died?

lexandro of Albion

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Droknars Forge

Tartan Titans

W/Mo

27 Jun 2006 at 14:46 - 258

just to clarify the situation on pet death

u get blackout on pet death but not on resurection of pet

FACT! end of

ender6

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/

27 Jun 2006 at 14:55 - 259

I exclusively heal pets. My entire monk build is designed to heal pets, and only pets. And that is how i contribute my 1/8 of the workload.

Ge4ce

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

D Class

Mo/

27 Jun 2006 at 15:04 - 260

I play a monk! Got something against it?

Anyway, not all monks are great. Don't forget that

Thorinfire

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Shiverpeaks

Ambassadors of Enlightenment [SAGE]

R/

27 Jun 2006 at 15:16 - 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by yellowcrown

Monks, I love 'em. Try to never play without one, when I can find one. I respect them too and for the month or so I have been playing the game have learned there is good and bad in everything, even Monks.

I have two characters, a W/R 14 and an E/Mo 14. When I play the W in a group and there is a Monk I always ask if the build is a smiting or healing Monk. I have died more than once while the Monk was off battling instead of healing. Because my W is expected to be in the middle of skirmishes I always advertise my health and energy stats before jumping into the next battle. My Warrior needs precious energy too and a good healing Monk if the party is to survive.

Knowledgable, perhaps older or more experienced, players understand the team concept and what it takes to succeed as a team and lose as a team. Both happen and can be a learning experience. It's easy to blame someone else for your failure and not always easy to accept responsibility. The bottom line for me is that it's still just a game and a good way to learn about people in general.

I've been playing video games since the first Pong was introduced (oops my age is showing) and have been addicted ever since. The Diablo series was by far my favorite but lost it's charm when my lvl 98 Amazon was nerfed by a patch and the chat areas were filled with spam and profanity.

If one of you Monks is ever looking for a friendly team member for a group I'd love to join. Look for Sire Blackadder or Dame Lusty Wench in the evenings (EDT). Just got to Borlis with both and I've never even seen LA or any of the more advanced areas. Maybe one of you could help me with my builds so I can learn and play the game better.

Great post takes me back to the days when Guild Wars was all new to me, I can't even remember the last time I thought LA was an "advanced area"

Great attitude, you will do great in this game. My Monk is in Maguma right now (almost lvl 17) so if you get caught up look me up in game (Aragost Elessar) Ill probably be on quite a bit over the upcoming American Holiday Weekend.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

27 Jun 2006 at 16:07 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

I have 2 monks, 1 healer and 1 smiter.

Why ? Just swap armor... Are you going to buy a new character slot for each of your builds ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

Thirdly, we do not have a god-given right to totally refuse any assassins when forming a party.

Well, I don't know about god-given, but we do have the right to decide who we decide to form parties with, regardless of our profession. If I chose to not party with any assassins ( or any other profession for that matter ), I can do that. It IS my choice how I wish to play the game. I personally do not exclude assassins from my parties simply because they are assassins, but make no mistake, I am selective of my groups, as I have every right to be.

saphir

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

doa

Mo/

08 Jul 2006 at 02:06 - 263

wow, hard to believe this thread is still around

about pets.. i had an interesting party in fow the other day
me and another monk who seemed to be mostly prot, who was pretty good at keeping out of aggro.

ranger zones in w/ a lvl 9 pet. lovely. a level 9 pet in fow. i don't mind though. that is until after his pet repeatedly dies from shadow warriors and shadow ele spikes, he starts complaining that the monks aren't healing his pet. honestly, i wasn't really healing his pet except when it was doing a good tanknig job and not moving (i would throw seed on it), but the other monk wasn't even bothering with his pet. I think we were both too busy keeping the warriors w/ spiteful spirit alive, and the eles that would get spiked by multiples fireballs. it's a little bit hard to have a spare skill lying around recharged to waste on a pet that will lose just as much hp the second its healed.

in the end, after putting with much crap every time about how us monks sucked, how come hit pet kept dying, etc, etc, i told him it was either going to be his pet dies, or he dies. thereafter, said ranger ran off and attempted to aggro all the mobs in fow and run them back to us. the saddest part was he wasn't any good at that and would keep losing aggro on them. in the end we all died though when the first abysmal was killed and balthazar ran to his death.

pets.. i'll heal them, but not at the expense of the party. although sometimes pets make better uw than the warriors on the team, because they don't run off and hide behind the casters everytime a bladed aatxe hits them!

half the time for monks it's not an energy problem, it's a recharge problem. players often seem to think we always have word of healing, rof or any number of heal skills charged and ready to go. for the eles, necros and other who think they can tank while the monk keeps them healed doesn't realize that we often need to spam faster than the skills can recharge

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 02:26 - 264

Hadn't really played my monk in some time now (months?) at least not in PUGs. Just did so recently to get around Cantha... my god the rubbish have to put up with compared to any other class, it's just as bad as ever lol

The classical example: useless warrior/tank, or in this case ranger/warrior (with a hammer no less) tanking away, running ahead not giving any time for me to catch up... I'm the only monk in the party of 8. Useless Canthan healer hench as well that didn't count. Wannabe ranger tank gets killed, while I'm being interrupted by mesmers. Decides to make sarcastic comments about it, so I point out the mesmers, and that because the party was spread out I'm having to run back and forward to heal everything - and that I spend most of the time looking at red bars, meaning don't have time to keep looking where everyone is on screen...

Eventually just blatantly stated "if you're going to whine about it, I can always go back to town you know" at which point they kind of shut up

Another example, a guildmate was nice enough to come along and Boon Prot... he even states during the mission he's a boon prot monk. Tanking ele in quest. Need I say more? Tanking ele dies, complains about what kind of healing monk is my guildy (even though guildmate made it clear he was a boon prot). Long story short it's suggested to tanking ele to feel free to quit. The guy decides to stick around long enough to get the bonus and then quits eventually, much to the relief of the rest of the party. Who then go on to complete mission (including with one leecher, who also happened to be an ele)

Now I remember what led me to play monk less and less in PUGs... you simply don't get this crap with other classes.

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

08 Jul 2006 at 02:36 - 265

I have a monk.

And I get many blind invites into groups. (Surprise surprise)

And before I can say 'ready' or wait, the party is jumped into the mission/quest.

It is usually during this time that an Ele or Assassin decides he/she shall run away from a group a Warrior is tanking and go tank his/her own. And of course I do not follow him to heal him and neith does the other Monk.

At which point he/she calls both of the Monks n00bs and demands us to res him.

It is here that I am faced with two options.

1. Res him/her.

2. Leave him and continue with the mission without having to heal him/her.

I choose the latter.

Even though Monks get called names they have still have much control on the players' life.

thor hammerbane

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2005

Dark Side of the Moon

Fat Kids Are Hard To Kid[nap]

08 Jul 2006 at 03:47 - 266

I cant beleive this thread is still alive..Monks who whine give monks a bad name on the whole..I monk and I dont see that we get abused more than the other classes..I've seen as many necros and wars called noobs for doing completeing nothing as much as the monks..Stop crying

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 07:59 - 267

I have became very weary of monks. The last few tries, I lost a chance on the "survivor" title because the monk was not healing. I always run back to the monk when I'm at 10% of my health, but that doesn't seem to work. They either have no ambition keeping people alive or they spam breeze all the time. When I play for survivor, I rather have no healer in the team, so I know what to expect.

Hidden in the Mist

Banned

Join Date: May 2006

08 Jul 2006 at 08:06 - 268

Most PvE Monk Healers I see use Healing Breeze to heal. It saddens me.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 08:33 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hidden in the Mist

Most PvE Monk Healers I see use Healing Breeze to heal. It saddens me.

Healing breeze is nice to fight degen, but because many think that is serves to heal as well, they even cast it when monsters are pounding on you.
My own monk is still going for survivor, but I'm very reluctant to join people. My monk's ambition is to keep everybody at 100% health, but not all of the players care to have a good armour. They rather wait for Kaineng Center or Droks, to finally buy some.

My motto is: "When you want survivor title, don't trust the monk!"

Takkun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

08 Jul 2006 at 09:10 - 270

Im sorry guys, you are 8 months or so late for the monk abuse strike in Thunderhead keep.

Draco Hunt

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

The Netherlands

Resistance is Painfull[RiP]

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 09:11 - 271

Hey Kitty i meet you evrywhere dont i.
Well to the point.

There should be a common respect to any player. They do there best at what they do. I know it is uterly anoying that for instance ele's somehow like to play tank these days(yes even the unexperienced players) And allot of the tanks freak out when hit by a load of spells(thats your job tanky boys

)
The monk needs allot of respect thats true because the chance of suviving without one is slim to non(not including solo's and stuff but you know what i mean). My advise is to all new players to start with a monk. They learn you the most(next to mesmer) about paying attention to your skills and energy management. Also the advantage is they finaly see why monks dont join parties that fast

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But all professions have there "i dont get respected" or "i cant get a party"threads. Somehow people still make it trough the game so and are apreciated more then they personaly know. It just doesnt have to be by the whole party you play with but doesnt it feel good when someone says "good healing"or "nice interupting"at the end of the fight

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FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

08 Jul 2006 at 16:15 - 272

Yesterday I retired Cait, my Tyrian monk who'd finished Prophecies. She'd done her part, I felt, and I recreated my smiter. It will be a challenge because the smiting skills used to be sooooo much better. I'm sure it will be a nasty surprise for a party to learn (in advance) that I only carry the most basic heals and otherwise deal only damage

. Truly, I expect more than a few to drop me in a fit of pique since they won't want to be responsible primarily for themselves.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 17:16 - 273

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Originally Posted by FalconDance

Yesterday I retired Cait, my Tyrian monk who'd finished Prophecies. She'd done her part, I felt, and I recreated my smiter. It will be a challenge because the smiting skills used to be sooooo much better. I'm sure it will be a nasty surprise for a party to learn (in advance) that I only carry the most basic heals and otherwise deal only damage

. Truly, I expect more than a few to drop me in a fit of pique since they won't want to be responsible primarily for themselves.

More power to you! Monks have the right to smite, but don't say it before the party starts, or they'll eject you

chippxero

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

norfolk

Super Anti Rabbit Squad [SARS]

Mo/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 17:16 - 274

I find smiting a lot easier now that factions is out, you get 2 of some skills so recharge isn't a factor and some new range ones, I don' get to play smiter msot fo the time though as everyone just wants a healer.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 17:22 - 275

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Originally Posted by chippxero

I find smiting a lot easier now that factions is out, you get 2 of some skills so recharge isn't a factor and some new range ones, I don' get to play smiter msot fo the time though as everyone just wants a healer.

You can become a smite/healer with:

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Balthazar's Aura
For 10 seconds, foes adjacent to target ally take 10-22 holy damage each second.

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Shield of Judgement Elite Skill
For 8-20 seconds, anyone striking target ally with an attack is knocked down and suffers 5-50 damage.

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Smite Hex
Remove a hex from target ally. Foes near that ally suffer 10-70 damage.

and

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Zealot's Fire
For 60 seconds, whenever you use a skill on an ally, all foes adjacent to your target are struck for 5-35 fire damage.

Works for me. Just tell them you are a healer

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

08 Jul 2006 at 21:57 - 276

I hate to say this but I have seen my fair share of bad Monks.These are the ones that get ran through the game and don't play it properly and learn their skills .I know that those who get ran through the game just to make 55 Monk and I see level 2s at Amnoon and Droks I know what they are doing there and I even seen as low as level 5 at Thirsty River.The only reason they are thier is to ascend.

Then they turn towards normal Monking and want to to start to heal or protect well they won't be that great at it infact they will run around with thier heads cuts off like I see at THK.This is why I am totally oppossed to low levels making 55 Monks and those who just want to make one up for farming.This gives Monks a bad name and needs to stop.

The only ones who should be making 55 Monks are those who have beaten the game and got all thier 200 attribute points and mostt of thier skills and elites.

mattjones527

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

08 Jul 2006 at 22:00 - 277

I've played my monk over 837 hrs over the past 12 months(only 2.6mil xp so I dont use him as just a farming char) and to be honest I think alot of the monks deserve abuse.

I have been in countless groups where the other monk has little to absolutly no energy managment and loves to spam healing breeze. I have nothing agaisnt breeze for countering degen but it is NOT a direct heal. Personally it really bothers me when the other monk is incompetent, in those cases I think the monk does deserve to be told. If a warrior runs out an aggro's ten groups then you can bet the group will let him know he messed up, it shouldnt be any different for monks.

On the flip side of that there are alot of jerks out there who will blatantly insult monks when it wasnt the monks mistake. If my monking gets insulted and it was my fault then I will take it. However if its a caster trying to tank(with out any defensive buffs) or a warrior using the dreaded frenzy/heal sig combo and they insult me, then they can lay there dead for all I care.

On the issue of pets I dont even bother healing them unless im sitting on full energy and no one is really taking dmg.

Oh and I noticed a few of you mentioning mixing smiting in. In my opinion the average GW group accepts a monk when they want someone to heal not to do damage. There is by no means anything wrong with smiting IF its ok with your group. But in most cases a half smiting monk isnt usefull to the group. Also a smiter healer has little to no room on their bar for energy management.
And when 2/8 players are monks and 1 monk is half smiting, thats alot of work for the second monk.

Silent Kitty

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

Netherlands

[TYW] "The Young World"

A/Me

08 Jul 2006 at 22:10 - 278

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Originally Posted by mattjones527

Oh and I noticed a few of you mentioning mixing smiting in. In my opinion the average GW group accepts a monk when they want someone to heal not to do damage. There is by no means anything wrong with smiting IF its ok with your group. But in most cases a half smiting monk isnt usefull to the group. Also a smiter healer has little to no room on their bar for energy management.
And when 2/8 players are monks and 1 monk is half smiting, thats alot of work for the second monk.

That is all very nice, but when you mention that you are a smiter, people will want you to change your build or be ejected. It is not stated that blunt, but it's reality. There are not many healers around, so many are desperate. When I have 13 in healing and 9 in Divine, I put the rest in smiting, wether they like it or not. I rather just say that I heal, and not mention the smiting part. As Mo/Me I hardily ever run out of energy, unless there is a noob tank still fighting in novice armour and some squishy not knowing when to kite. That is mostly the only reason why I run out of energy.

inscribed

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

08 Jul 2006 at 22:16 - 279

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

More power to you! Monks have the right to smite, but don't say it before the party starts, or they'll eject you

This is why you always check and double check that the monks in a PUG are healing/protecting monks. Yes, a smiting monk will get ejected from a PUG, as well they should. Any class can deal damage, and most can do it alot better than a smiting monk can. Healing and protection, on the other hand, are limited to a monk, and its the only reason they get into a PUG.

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

08 Jul 2006 at 22:19 - 280

<grins> On the subject of novice armor and the squishy factor:

I was just in Ascalon at lvl 8 (just lvled) with my Smiter when the monk I'd helped briefly in pre popped in for a chat. She asked me why I "wasted" my money on Wanderer's armor when I should save for Drok's. (Because we all know there are no foe and no quests between Ascalon and there) She then merrily rattled off all the places she'd already been (at lvl 7).....Yak's, LA (I think), the Grotto. When I said I only had Ascalon on my map so far,she was boggled. I reiterated that I play the game, not get run through.

She still thought I should just go get Forge armor

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