Sick and Tired of the monk abuse

I'm guessing those were both Canthan monks, people who are completely new to GuildWars and probably only have Factions.
I bet in the beginning of GuildWars Prophecies a lot of the monks were spamming healing breeze, flare and other unuseful spells lol but we all learned over time.
Still is funny tho

LOL, a year after the OP and it's still as pertinent as ever. It's really more of a commentary on PUG's, but as a class Monks seem to get abuse more often, whether they're good or bad.

I don't party up much, but when I do, if there's abuse of myself or others, I bail. If the abuse gets to rancid I screenie and put in a Violation Report. So, I totally agree that it doesn't do anyone any good to stay in a group where one or more player are exhibiting bad behavior. I also think that's why Anet never implemented a "leaver's" penalty, though many have requested it. Why should I help someone through a mission or quest if they obiviously don't appreciate my contribution?

I'd have to say there's plenty of flaming and demeaning of monks, some of which is warranted and some is not. But at least for the most part if they do great they're recognized for it. Take for example the group I had yesterday for the last two Prophecies missions. We had a great group- 2 SS, 2 experienced monks, two wars, a mes, and a ranger, I think >_<. Breezed through Abaddon's like it was the Great Northern Wall. We got to HP and were all gung-ho about finishing HP as well since we had such a great group.

Well we had to switch out a few people, including one of the monks. So we start the mission, and our new second monk immediately bites the dust and we're generally doing really crappy. After about his third or fourth death we realize he's a 55, since he wouldn't ping his health when asked and he's just generally ignoring us. The guy finally quits and we go on to finish most of the mission (with minor difficulty I might add) with just 1 monk. It's amazing how much of a difference one idiot can make. Kudos to the other monk (and the entire team) for picking up the slack so well ^ ^ This guy really knew what he was doing and we couldn't have done it without him.

that made me laugh.

I try to give people warnings..
the first time they do something i don't like. after battle i tell them that if i see them doing it again, i will not be healing them.
and lets just say i have had times where i have not been healing anyone but myself because of those reasons..

a few days ago in Boreas seabed i was monking, and the 3rd group with Argo was our next target. some guy runs in, and gets killed instantly by one spell, (later figured out he was running with 4 superior runes..) and he complained that he didn't get healed. i may not be the best monk around, but i don't really think anyone can stop you from dying if you get 1-shotted, i can't predict who argo is going to fire his insane spells at, especially not with 3 other elementalists nuking the rest of my party

Holy crap, I didn't notice that either! lol It's not really a dead horse though..... the issue is just as relevant and alive as it was a year ago, unfortunately...

Monking is a demanding job. If all goes well, u might get a ty or two. If all goes wrong, you're one of the first to be blamed - regardless of rushers, needless aggro'ers, poor team communication, etc, etc.

I think it's quite funny that a thread gets started (even though a year ago), for venting purposes, and what's some of the responses it gets? lol

A) Learn energy management (good idea)
B) Who the hell do you think you are? (somebody that plays GW?)
C) Who said the monk class was special? (nobody, but it came up in your post for some reason)
D) You think a monk can only be played by somebody with 1337 skills? (Uhh, nope, but obviously you're 1337, so tell us about it)
E) They're abusing you because you're a crappy monk (I don't think you play a monk)
F) The monk protest (lol, sorry, but I never attended one, don't believe in it)
G) Monks with tats are crappy monks (really?)
H) Do you think the world revolves around you? I play with henches because I hate people. (wow, really? So, who thinks the world revolves around them again?)
I) Monks are elitist snobby jerks. (Why? because there was a thread created to vent out frustrations towards this kind of thing?)
J) You monks think your special or something? What about the wammos? (What about them? They've started numerous threads that I've seen too, venting their frustrations. Go cry in those. And is crying about something concidered thinking your special or elite?)
K) Nobody EVER complains about MY monk skills, EVER. Nobody EVER dies on my team, and I NEVER have a problem with energy, EVER. I recieve compliments all the time from everyone on my impressive monking abilities. So, maybe you other monks just suck, face it. (Ahahahahaha! Good one, let's hear some more stories of these monks)
L) Charging for missions (sorry, never believed in it. Those are probably the monks that need to "get over" themselves, and think they're special.)

Ya, I don't recieve crap all the time either (in fact, it's rather seldom), but I know the type of people the OP is referring to. They usually are complainers from the very start, over the smallest crap. Nothing satisfies them through the whole mission, and they keep typing useless garbage in the team chat, while on auto-attack. No group is ever good enough for them, and everyone sucks and is a noob. Those are the people that need to play with henches imo. If you hate people that bad, and think the monks (or anyone) are your personal b@#$&es, and that you're superior to everyone. Please, do everyone a favor and go play with henches. Your contribution to everyone in the group is just going to be garbage anyway, and probably make some people leave. In pugs, you pretty much have to accept the fact that there is going to be human error a lot more than usual, and nobody is perfect, not even you. 8 different people, 8 different builds, will they work perfectly together? Probably not, but maybe, just maybe...

awww.... but I like monks with tats...
*runs and cries in the corner*

I've been playing a monk for quite a long time now. I crated one like many others, because they were in short supply. So I was probably crappy when I started out (just like when I started every other character). But I've gotten pretty good at it by now.

I have gotten the occasional snide comment, but nothing too terrible, and have seen the same thing as other people (mostly people charging into and aggroing too many at a time, as well as casters rushing in as well). But I also get positive comments as well. I actually enjoy PUG monking, you never know what you are going to get. Keeps you on your toes. Though I am pretty laid back, so any (bad) comments I get really don't bother me, I find it actually amusing at times.

The other thing I like about the monk is since you aen't busy dealing the damage, it gives you chance to sit back and look at group dynamics and the overall strategy. It's a great way to watch how other people play, very interesting. A good profession if you like to people watch.

I've also noticed that there are many monks who are too high on themselves (but probably not more than in any other class), maybe because they think they are all that, or monks are in short supply so they can get away with it. Too many in my opinion.

Nothing better to have in a party than a really good monk. Conversly nothing worse than a good monk that crys constantly or worse, berates other players.

I know you guys need a rest after a fight but as an MM I'd ask you to go at 50% energy so I can keep half my horrors. If you insist on fully recharging don't cry when degen has wiped out my horde.

You guys are not the only ones that can be snitty and quit in hopes of hurting the party. I could quit after a brawl and leave your whiny, energy depleted butt with 10 fresh masterless horrors

The OP posted this last June

Btw, Blood Kreation, from where in hell did you dig up this thread? It's amusing to see that nothing has changed but jeez...

I got so fed up of people being annoying/charging in/abusive that I gave up joining PUGs and now only use my monk for Guildies as I find that they're generally more grateful lol!

On an aside, I don't think people who abuse the monks have ever played one - if they had they'd shut up...

Good thing all the Monks are perfect. And granting us mere mortals a favour by gracing us with their divine presence.

Seriously though. If there's anything to be "Sick and Tired of," its these almost bi-weekly posts about how rough a certain profession has it. Its not any worse or better for anyone else. If you want to bail on a group, by all means. You're not required to complete any mission or quest in this game. And you're just as easily replaced with the henchbots as anyone else.

Now go back to playing whack-a-mole with the party health bars and give it a rest. oO

I Have the same probl with some ppl just yelling at me, But i just ignore them no heal or res, and when they 60 dp they leave and i am happy. Kinda hard if whole team is like that but it was them complaining and leaveing not me. A tip for all monks who get tierd of complaints, go smite insted for a while. Its sometimes more fun and u not responsible for teammembers who rush in and die. I always start my build as smite and if and when someone is behaveing, i dont mean kiss ass , but just behaveing I can change too protector or healer.

Anyway Thats How I deal with it.
Works for me.

Have fun and behave too all in teams, not just monks

Merlin Munk

Lmao!! They Came From Tyria For Sure!

Very shortsighted midear -_-

Wow he'd love my Monk... He has full tats AND goes Mo/E for no apparent reason Well. actually i was trying out the GoR Divine Spirit build. My warrior has 3 pieces of Knights armour on (helm included), i bought it before i knew it was global, but i honestly don't give a shit...

Viruzz, i agree, in fact i think i'm gonna use what you quoted the next time i'm on my Monk in a Pug. Although since i joined my new guild its been either guild/alliance teams or henchman (mainly henchman for anything but masters).

Today in the Frost Gate I met two monks

One was a Mo/W that was convinced he could tank "just as good as any warrior." He was wearing starter armor

The other was a Mo/R, also wearing starter armor who used a bow and used Heal Area when she was under attack.

Both of these colorful characters made me want to pull my hair out :|

It took my 5 tries becuase of newbie monks to beat that mission, but eventually I did.

People must have really sucky connections, or the err 7 problem must be really bad (I've never had it), or they just get bored easily or have early bed times.

I've never left a group, I am always there at the end when we decide it's pointless because we can't do enough damage. Note that it's not pointless because people die, in fact the more people leave, the better I keep the team alive (less to heal right ), but if too many leave, or a key character leaves, we just can't win because when we encounter a character that heals itself, we can't do enough damage to kill it - talking about places like FoW here where those monks spam a good heal area etc. With only 3 characters that don't have enough damage output we can't get far.

What a really great attitude. Try another class maybe, you might not get yelled at and resort to refusing to heal.

to have my 5c on the topic:

i am a tyria mo, and while i was lvl17 (i am now lvl20) i went to cantha in hope to get more exp to level to 20... we are doing finding the oracle or s th like that... we have two mo's in team, one's me, the other's this lvl20 mo, and just typical that we got 1 w/mo who are... well let's say particularly BRAVE and HOT HEADED...

he rushes into battle , engaging one enemy even when there are like 2 boss, 20 other afflicted/am fah in area... keepin him alive was one of the biggest task i had in the past (not to mention the other mobs jsut breaks teh front line and charges at us)... so we all died and the w/mo started blamin the lvl20 mo (dunno why didn't he blame me... cuz he prolly think i am lvl17 and are useless (btw, this is when me, the other mo, w/mo, some assassin all died a rit and a r are left)

w/mo: OMG, CANT U DO A MO JOB WELL
mo: well if u don't aggro too many we won't be in this crap
w/mo: if u had being a better mo, we won't in this crab

bla bla bla

then we all got rezzed and they are still arguing... i was like OMG can u plz stop?! it's none of ours fault... we all died cuz of all our's fault... so cap it... and let's get on mission ... we are all in this together...

the w/mo was like "amilia is twice the better monk than u are, even tho she's only lvl17"
i went totally O.o

an other instance is when we are doing elona's reach... failed twice with PUG's... this time, the warr/mo (lvl15 mind u) saw the timer and go OMG OMG we better hurry... so he rushed in to grab the crystal, whilst the remaining of the grp engages the mob between us... so i have to run into to get him healed, just to see him has all kinds of colour (pink for hex, blood red for bleeding and a green up arrow for my ench on him) then i got hit by n stone daggers and fell...

but then, being a mo is so much of an experience when PUG'ed a good group.... 4th time (me thinks) i tried, i PUG'd all good players, all of them knows their roles, we pwnd the mission + bonus in time... i was like WOOT...

That's when you give up on people and use hench. :\

My first character was a monk, and I still play monk a decent amount in PvE. First of all, I have never met a semi-decent player who performed any decent amount of monk abuse on a regular basis that doesn't ALSO rage on everyone else in the team (random raging happens a lot in pvp). Ever. All the good players I know understand the value of monks, and don't rage on monks unless something really stupid is happening (you know, like running meteor shower on a monk that is supposed to be healing, which by the way, I have seen). So, if you are getting abuse from multiple members of the party, the group probably sucks and will die. Depending on how I'm feeling that day, I may just heal slightly less to accelerate the process. Either way, monks to mitigate this problem, need to learn a few basic points:

1) Have some way of manageing your own energy. If you have no energy management on your bar, you are a bad monk, pure and simple. Energy burn happens, overhealing happens, overaggro happens, even to the best of groups. So, no if your bar has no way to handle that, then you are a bad monk. You are the primary line of defense for your group, and if they make a small mistake (aggroing 2-3 extra guys) the entire group should not wipe, as the monks should be able to handle something like that, assuming enemies are killed in a timely manner. So, I repeat again, bring your own energy management. This is why secondaries like Me or N are preferable to R/W and things like that. Monks should always have some way of getting back some energy so that they can continue to heal.

This is probably a touchy subject, so let me explain what I mean by energy management. What I mean by energy management is skills that reduce your energy burden or skills that directly give you back energy. Here are some examples of energy management skills, some better than others.

Weaker energy management skills:

Healing Seed-Often this skill, if used correctly, can heal someone up full, and make you not need to heal them for the next 10 seconds, even when they are taking a beating. This is energy mangement, but its not very good energy management

Word of Healing-if you always get the big heal out of this (use it when someone is at less than 50% health) the skill replaces heal other and nets 5 virtual energy every time you use it. Of course, very few monks are good enough to accomplish this.

Peace and Harmony-Passive energy regen, also relatively weak for skills, but can be used

Strong Energy Mangement

Life Bond + Blessed Signet + Balthazar's Spirit-The damage PREVENTION of these skills is what is energy mangement. THis is normally counteracted by the -1 energy degen you suffer, but if you run blessed signet, you basically counteract that degen. So in the case where blessed signet is also run on the skillbar, Life Bond/Life Barrier prevents damage that you would otherwise have to heal, thereby reducing your energy management. You can also run life barrier without Balthzar's spirit.

Offering of Blood/Mantra of Recall - Raw energy either on demand (OoB) or stored for later use (MoR)

Drain Enchantment/inspired hex/Inspired Enchantment/Power Drain-More energy on demand skills

2) You are not god, the group does not revolve around you. No one is god in the group. Rage-quitting becomes one person is giving you sass demonstrates nearly as little maturity as the person who is giving you sass. Just shut up and do your job (this applies to non-monks also).

3) If someone is not doing their job, it is perfectly fine to leave them on the floor, as often they are more a hindrance than a help. I do it all the time. The objective is to complete the mission. No one ever specified that all players needed to be alive through most of it.

4) Immediate retaliation against someone who is giving you sass is just going to provoke the problem. Throwing heated words back at them is only going to escalate the argument and is not going to help anyone play better or help with mission completion. Therefore, don't do it. If it gets bad enough where you don't want to handle it, just leave. But you should never leave a group on accout of one person.

That said, there is a significant amount of monk abuse that goes on, and I am aware of it. I have had my fair share of monk abuse thrown in the way of monks of the groups I have been in. Some of it was directed at me, some at the other monks, some at the monks as a whole. This is both in pvp and pve. It doesn't matter, the principle is the same. You only make things worse by acting irrationally and emotionally. So if you want the monk abuse to stop, the first place to start is by treating other people well. What goes around comes around, its as simple as that.

Monk abuse still exists? I'd think that with all the new henchies it'd be less existant except to those who flame at virtual mercenaries.

Anyways... old topic, something good for me to look at and still remember GW- will hopefully help me get back to it.

Edit: Oh... forgot about PvP for some reason. Monk abuse PvP will always exist in random parties, probably in team parties, but will be disguised by humor. (Difference, you suck, you suck lol.)

My first character back on Prophecies preview weekend was a monk and I still have him. I do very well as a PvE healer, but there is quite a bit of crap you have to deal with. Luckily, most PUGs are fine. Still, between the lack of understanding my monk has to deal with, and the lack of interest my mesmer has to deal with, I usually only use the monk when a chapter is brand new to finish the game quickly, and then afterwards I enjoy it and take my time with my ranger and necro. I still haven't decided if my mesmer is coming to cantha or not.

Lol, yeah all those bad monks out there that think groups shouldn't lure more than they should so don't bring E-management. SS/BR necros can be found almost everywhere, thats your energy management, its there and it doesn't waste half your attributes and elite slot. I can quite calmly heal for a while using mainly 5 energy skills, if people over agro, Heal Other is needed. I don't care what you think, energy management won't help if you need to start spamming. Surely you've never been to FoW? If your group agros a patrol and a standing group of Breakers/Icehands, you run. Sure there the outside chance you can fight it out... but Deep Freeze + Berserkers + Maelstrom + Chaos Storm end people quickly. You can bring all the Energy Management you want, you won't save them.

This sucks, plain and simple. Why did you mention it :S

This isn't energy management... its a bonder. Theres a slight difference between a build that is set up to keep its energy high and energy management.

Wow... you must be a good player *cough* not *cough* Please never come and monk in a party i'm in. After you've had 3 points of whining that 'monks arent god' and that your 'no special than the rest of the team' you seem to have moved onto deciding which party members get to live or die just because you don't like there play style. However much you like it, having 1 extra person to die or take/deal damage can be helpful, there are few cases where someone really needs to be left dead.

Somehow, i HIGHLY doubt what you are saying is even partially correct, most groups are FEARFUL to anger the monk as he/she may leave, forcing the group to retry the mission and attempt to get another monk which can usually take some time

You know.. I used to monk for a good while but I gave up because I slowly started to hate monks, in PVE at least. Not the class itself, just the people playing it. The most arrogant people I've seen in this game have all been monks. They expect their asses to be kissed, make demands threatening to leave a group, try to take over leadership of an entire group when being the last to join, even if it's a guild group and he's the only one not in the same guild..

It's sad. I felt bad about being a monk because I started associating myself with this behaviour just because I played a monk.

some of the nicest ppl around are monks, why else would ppl want to nurse everyone

minus the soloers lol

My monk just follows people and hardily talks, when I'm not party leader. I have learned my lesson. Leaving one party, because their bad gameplay, doesn't guarantee a better party the next try.
I have seen very good parties, who suddenly all go berzerk at the end of the quest, making us lose all the hard work. On the other hand, I have seen complete noobish parties, who suddenly got a brain when facing some big boss on the end. There is really no telling how a party goes. Blaming people on how it went is perfectly natural, but monks are no better than the average wammo. At least not when you actually think you are better.

Monks are as commonly abusers as they are abused, they tink that they can lord it over everyone because they are the healer.

I play a monk, and its not necessary to do that.

First of all, Heal Other is a crap skill end of. 2ndly I play a monk in PvE/PvP (mostly in HA and GvG TBH) and if u dont bring energy mangement, u screwed and u will be kicked from the group. PvE isnt that different. If u think the only e-management u need if the BR from an SS necro, u rly dont know how to play a monk. In PvE I always bring 5 Healing Skills, 2 energy management skills and a rez. ATM my e-management skills in PvE are energy Tap and Inspired Hex. And I very rarely hav e-problems.

Its only 2 skills, and u can keep ur friends alive for much longer without screaming "z0mg u n00b necro! give me a BR!!!"

I use Channeling, and can endlessly spam Orison, Dwayna's kiss, Word of Healing, Mend Aliment, Inspired Hex and an occasional Heal Party and Heal Other.
As long as people don't spam me to heal more or better, I will/can keep this up endlessly, without a pause. Otherwise I will slowly retreat and see who will survive without my healing.

Seeing as I Hench all my quests, I like to at least have some social contact with people/idiots via mission PUGs. Henching gets boring.

Ok... I've never seen a profession labled X, if you mean all types of assassing are bad players you are terribly wrong, also Monk tats give more energy, it's a form of energy management, why should a monk need extra defence vs ele and so on if they know not to put themselves in danger. Knights or dragon armor is bad? ok so only gladiator armor is good then? because that's all that's left in profesies. (Ascalon and platemale are the same as knights and dragon)

I Kind of agree with the name thing... but it has to be really rediculous...

As for Secondaries, there are some combo's that just don't work. But most will if you're creative enough to put together a set of skills. Heck I have an MM with Ranger as secondary and will sometimes use my pet. Not in missions or anything, but I can solo minatours and sand wurms in the desert that way. In Missions though I go all Necro with maxed Death magic and soul reaping and all necro skills. And my Ranger, Unless I'm trapping, I usually take all ranger skills. Saying A certain secondary means the player is no good is what's rediculous and getting your builds off a website (Or following instuctions in any way on games) is just sad, what is the point of playing if you're just following instructions. Sure asking for help or suggestions is good sometimes, but your build should be Your Build.

LOL -my guild was in a group with a pick up monk and pick up necro.
The necro was a full blown *****. She actually threw a tantram and sat down in the middle of the arbor stone mission, AND she kept bad mouthing the pickup monk. Well she screamed at the monk to "HEAL ME!"

the monk replied,"LIVE!"

LOL.

please don't quit your monk -my guild is monk friendly and has several in it. Feel free to look us up if you want a group that respects how you bring the bandaid.

IGN: Derrick the Nomad

@Sweetest, the only thing that really matters about armor, is the level (59AL as opposed to 80AL). I happen to know that Racthoh, one of the best PvE warriors out there IMO, wears two pieces of dragon armor. That definately doesn't make him bad.

You are all so annoying. TURN OFF THE ALL CHAT AND HEAL INSTEAD OF READING IT! This is an online game, do you really need respect from people you will most likely never meet in your life? If you and another monk (or for some reason if you only have one monk) cant heal the whole party, you deserve to be complained at. You suck and need to go to monk school.

Who are you, as a non-combat player, to tell the party when to agro and how much to agro? Get energy management if you dont have any energy for the next battle, because personally I rarely reach zero energy. When you run out of energy like that, you are just slowing down the rest of the team. But this is coming from me, a warrior that acctually knows what hes doing, and i only agro when the monk is spamming 'My Energy is 3 of 49!' if its a group of three things that the group could kill without needing to be healed, but I'm sure there are agroers that arent like that. Also this is all from my viewpoint, and i usually play a warrior, so i usually control the agroing, as opposed to ele/war's going in with armor of earth.

Maybe all of this is void becuase I've just been lucky and never experienced the horrors that everyone else has ran into...


edit: I forgot the magical thing called 'Henchmen'. If you cant stand all of the harsh remarks and 'abuse' you are recieving, take hench and just stop whining.

Senator Tom, you really have no idea about the smallest thing in monking.


Truly, NO idea about what are you talking about. It may be ironic, but most warriors are just like real warriors - no brain, just musle.

When I see a warrior rushing, I see an idiot running. When he dies and complains to me, I see a true idiot. No offence, but from what you have said, you are not even a good warrior.

Trying to take over leadership ? I think you are over-reacting a bit. Anyone who joins a group has the right to find out what kind of group it is before the mission starts. When I went through the missions for my Protector title, I advertised that I was LFG. I reviewed the make-up of the teams that invited me. I looked for a team that was basically ready to go, as I didn't want to stand around any longer than I had to. When I accepted the invite, I asked questions of the team to determine the plan, etc... Since I had done the missions numerous times before, on other characters, I offered suggestions when I disagreed with the approach. Ultimately, I determined whether I would stay in this group for the mission based on the conversation. If you have a problem with this, it's too bad. I, and anyone else for that matter, whether a monk or any other profession, has the right to discuss the mission ahead of time. Just because you are the last to join does not make you a guest or inferior to all others.

If I join a group that reacts, "OK, let's go, as soon as I accept and doesn't answer any questions, they find themselves looking for my replacement before the mission countdown timer finishes.

I actually joined a group in the Deep once, being the 12th person, and within seconds after joining, the countdown timer started. Unbelieveable.

Sometimes it takes till the at least the first level.
Before entering:
Well the key thing is, that their skills are already set the way they should be for repeat areas (like Tombs).
If they don't know what a spirit is or doesn't bother to ask who is bringing which >_>
If they have a rez sig instead of rebirth (rangers and monks, necros this need not apply, unless you are MM). (cause lets face it sometimes ya just get crap spawns.)



~~~~~~~ THE FOLLOWING MEANS GO BACK TO PORT AND KICK SOME IDIOTS!~~~~~~
Once in there and the first pull goes bad cause some Leroy found all the extra popups in the area, because instead of waiting he wanted to watch the pull >_> That MIGHT be the time to start yelling at said Pug
If you say RUN and they are still standing there >_>
If the monk goes down and then a ranger and the MM rezes the ranger because it thinks it can tank with its 10 minions... >_>





~~~Best bet is to check how many in the group have the same guild tag, if at least 3 are of the same guild you are "likely" good.




And don't feel bad I was picked up as soon as I zoned into tombs, instant group and some idiot in the party zoned us without a full team... Monk is just like.. yeah I am missing half my skills yo... Others were like WTF?!?!? Leader goes, "ya bunch of newbs can't do this?"

Monk says everyone go die we can finish picking up the rest of our group... So many of us oblige and party leader starts yelling about how we are all newbs and so forth and who ported us and cussing up a storm... Then after we were all dead he promptly kicked me from the group and started spamming that I was a group killer... LMAO! I was picked up by an decently smart group and we did fine... In the end I said HA! Told ya I wasn't a group killer! It was stupidness!



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And personally I don't think monks have a right to complain to much, I mean have you tried playing through the game on a ranger without guildies of desired classes to help? Heck my husband usually plays monk so "normally" that isn't an issue for me but he spent 30mins LFG in Vissuhna (spelling not included) on his ranger before forming his own without monks and THEN begging monks to join... A Ranger is just not wanted unless its situational -_- Usually the same with Mesmers and Assasins >_< AND SINS SHOULD NOT GO TANKING WITHOUT A SELF HEAL! Good grief >_<

Fitting, somehow. Don't ask me why.

You shouldn't judge me and say that I dont know the smallest thing in monking. Have you ever played with me? Ever seen me on observer? Ever even heard of me at all? Who are you to come into this thread and call me a bad monk, and then link irrevelant quotes to me being a bad warrior. I'd be more than willing to prove to you that I am a good warrior and monk. PM me ingame.