Sick and Tired of the monk abuse

I wonder what skill you used before you capped heal other as it is the nonelite to word of healing?I never had problem with my energy mangement as I switch my wand to a staff or a sword or axe.This brings my energy downbut it doesn't take that long to get back up to full.I may put a stance or two in for defence like if I am going to infuse I would want balance stance oh and bonetti's does work with out balthazars spirit and gives you enrgy back as long as you aquire a target no different than tap or drain.

btw u would avoid the abuse if u healed, and if the people were more educated at monking, since i play monk and war i no what it is like to be on each side

Monks are holy intellectuals. People should appreciate monks because they are the backbones of almost every team.
I played with every character, my monk was my first and I still enjoy playing Monk the most.
Just ignore the abuses, don't forget that you are on a holy mission!!

QFT! I feel special now...I'm on a holy mission! ^.^

well since I play in Faction we are SHORT on monk omg its impossible to find a SINGLE monk in whole faction. Iv been playing monk since 4 month now i finaly change my mind to create one but yea ppl are very mean with us : "why you didnt heal me!" or "Do your job monk" So yes it is true that they treat us like henchies we nothing to them if we dont do our job we suck and bye bye. Well Maybe that why theres NO MORE MONK now and ITS A REAL PROBLEM GUYS! We need to be polite with them and I know how hard is it to be a monk now a day so plz guys if you bunch of warriors need healing well start to treat them like real ppl and maybe monk player will be back on track!

well the biggest reason you almost never see monks in factions (I noticed this too)...

RITUALISTS ^_^

I see much more advertisements for healilng rits than for monks around there o.o.

I bought factions for 2 reasons... Ritualists and reef lurkers <3

First thing I did when I got factions was make up a rit who is currently 16. >.O (only had the game for about 5 days now and only had a small amount of time to actually play it). And I am thinking about switching his build to around a healing type... but I fear that us rits will be the next in line to see "OMG WHERES THE HEALING, YOU NUUB RIT!"

infact i'm going to make a thread about stuff along that line.

I LOVED THIS! It just says it all.... I play a monk and believe me those little red bars get plenty of attention. It is nice when ppl tell me "gj" or "thx for that save", but I consider it said when we have worked as a team and no one dies...

HALLOWED ARE THE ORI!!!

It seems like people always bring up the "elitist monk" issue. I have been playing for nearly 10 months and I can count the elitist monks I have met on one hand. The real problem is that people join PUGs and expect everyone to have done it at least once. People expect team work to happen automatically with strangers that you can't really talk to if you are doing your job.

I really don't like to be suprised, so I try and find out what people are packing. If I know what their focus is, I will have some idea what they will be doing. It helps me keep people alive a bit easier.

It just makes sense to interview the group before starting the mission. Not cause I want anyone to change anything, but so that I will know what is going on. Just a couple days ago I was starting an explorers group for the bonus area of Dunes of Despair. I was perfectly willing to stay and help people finish the bonus. From what I was asking them though, they were not going to be willing or able to do what was required for full exploration of that area. No one else had a teleport skill, and they weren't going to bring vamp weapons. Some of them wanted the bonus too. So, they were either lying or pretending ignorance of what was needed to do both. Maybe I was in the wrong to change my mind about grouping with them. Maybe that exploit has been completely fixed in a recent update. They still didn't come across as a group that would be willing to work together very well.

OK, maybe I'm just pissed right now, but whoever ...posts angry is likely to get edited.
One more thing. people shold really think what others did rather than just bitchin on the monk. sorry for the swears.


EDIT: It's usually a good idea to calm down before posting. -Swampgirl

Monk bashing again. Sure why not. Though you should keep in mind that every profession offers players who can't play their profession.
Comon mistake in mursaat missions: you always get at least one person who's not infused.

"Huh? What is infusion???"

Another lovely mistake: you always get somebody on your team who doesn't have the right armor level

"I am always broke and couldn't afford Drok's armor"

So who needs monks anyway? In PvE, if you're careful enough, you might do a lot of missions without them, if your team has self-healing skills.
I recall doing "Titan Source" with 5 rangers and me (ele). They were either 2nd-monk or had healing spring and we were just doing fine.

I strongly agree with the idea of letting people die if they hardly do any damge and waste your energy.

I once even let a fellow monk die (while I was a monk) in "Defending Denravi" because he was plain stupid.

Believe it or not, we were better off with just 5 and one dead monk than with 6 and 2 monks alive.

It's funny to see, how, sometimes, one whacko can ruin the whole thing.

Yesterday, when some partymembers already died twice and everybody was on about 20% health while poisoned with miasma, I asked "Please heal someone." Our monk was a lvl 16, who I thought was capable of at least heal for 80 - 100 health each 3 seconds.
My Assassin lost the chance for a survivor title that mission, but what can you expect when having a complete unknown healer in your party.
When you want survivor title don't expect a stranger healer to care.

Heal Other has its place on a monk's bar, depending on the type of monk being run at the time. It's rare that it does find a use, but it's not "crap" or worthless. Crap skills would be something like O. Cry or Seeping Wounds. >.>

In GvG you'd most likely be running a Boon Prot, and those do require energy management (ED/MoR/inspiration line/rarely OoB). In HA you could be running nearly any monk, but most run e-management in the form of channeling/ihex/rhex/other inspiration skills. In PvE there's absolutely no reason you'd ever need to use a skill slot on energy management, unless you run a skill like ihex/rhex. Heal spammers are quite capable of being run entirely on monk skills (that's the ideal setup), but I'd never let a monk run etap in my group.

He wouldn't have been a "healer" who spent half the time casting life siphon, spiteful spirit, and healing breeze, would he? I clearly remember letting that monk die; why on earth do I need an energy sink? >.>

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About 50% (or more) of the monks who take abuse actually deserve it. It's up to that person to determine whether they're able to properly run a monk or not. All criticism should be taken with a grain of salt because most players (Some do, so don't ignore everything off the bat. Look at it and determine whether it's decent advice before dismissing it.) don't know enough about monks to try and provide anything useful.

Ignore people who flame, and feel free to let energy sinks die, in the middle of heated battles. One person shouldn't be the reason an entire team ends up wiped because the monks are left drained.

Don't be an ass who "forgets to heal" a vocal idiot because you're then no better than they are. If someone pisses you off that badly, either suck it up and keep them alive (assuming they're not an e-sink) or whisper the other monk to take full responsibility for their health. Do NOT rage quit because you've just punished everyone else in the group for absolutely no reason. Leave the group as soon as you hit the next outpost, but don't abandon people in transit!

Be willing to let a monk take full control of leading a mission, even if they're not the party leader. I've been one of the last to join a party, and I've then had to lead the entire team through it. Sometimes I'm the only person who's been through the mission before, or I'm the only person with knowledge of a certain task (like Tyrian bonuses). I prefer not leading the party because it's a distraction from my role as a monk, but I'm more than willing when the situation ABSOLUTELY requires.

Don't be an arrogant idiot. Yes, you're a commodity that can get in nearly any PuG, but you'll never be the greatest thing to grace the GW community with your presence. Hench are more than capable of taking the monking role, and they're actually superior to humans in some ways (reaction time, etc.). If you can't be polite and civil, I hope the group kicks you from the party. Only people who give respect will receive respect, and good players will always be hepful and patient with new/inexperience players.

I'm honestly just tired of this thread and all similar to it. Lots of players are bad at playing their character (Not because of differing "play styles," but lack of skill/experience), and this holds true for every class in the game. No single class is abused or hated on more than the others, except for possibly assassins. People need to stop taking comments over the internet as personally as they do sometimes, and just play the game to have a fun time. Ignore the downers and try to play with people you know you'll have fun with.

/end whatever the above is. >.>

My quick fix is henchmen

I used them in Canthan for EVERYTHING except missions, because I knew it wasn't gonna cut it.
They worked great, and if we died, I KNEW it was my fault soley (or was it Devona's for aggroing after I pinged myself 20 times..?)
I've been abused, like a lot of the other monks. So I switched to EU servers a few days ago.... NONE of the monk abuse. If someone died, they rarely said anything, and waited patiently to get ressed. No names, or anything. It was great :P

"We're on a mission from God..."

"We're putting the band back together..."

Stupid memory;-)

I have a new lvl17 monk that I re-made a few weeks back. I posted yesterday in a monk thread about not having problems like this on my old monk, and I didn't. However, that was over a year ago, and I did noticed a difference last night in the way I was treated when I played my monk.

I was doing the "Closer to the Stars" mission, and I took so much abuse that for the first time in my Guild Wars experience I almost quit a group. Our warrior, ele, and MM repeatedly aggroed mobs when I didn't have energy or when I was using rebirth at the end of a fight to res 1 or 2 dead players (it didn't help that the warrior was using frenzy!), and it didn't help that the ele kept trying to pull mobs. Half way thru the mission, I had to flat out tell the warrior that if he used frenzy one more time I wouldn't heal him or rez him when he died, and sure enough he did it again and died. The MM was the real jerk of the group though, because when I stated that I need energy or to please slow down he would just tell me to "shut up and do your job monk!" Him and another guy would say that your the only one complaining and your ruining the group. My reply was that I was being responsible and trying to keep the group alive -_-. It was so funny because everytime I pinged my energy (4 out of 49), the warrior would ping his health (485 out of 505) and run into the next mob using frenzy! Needless to say, the group failed miserably and I had to start over with a new group. The next group didn't have these problems, and we breezed thru the mission.

I can only come to the conclusion that alot of people are acting rude towards monks in general because of several bad seeds that give the class a bad reputation. They even referred to me as "MONK", not by my character name. It's like some people total disconnect the fact that a monk character is being played by a real person. Maybe thats because of the lack of monks and people using healers henches most of the time now? I kinda felt like a healer hench.

examples of why people act rude towards monks now:
1)55 farming monks
(associated now with bots that that equates to nerfed farming for others)
2)monks that hire out there services to run missions.
(associated with greedy people that care only for themselves.)
3)monks with Uber elitist attitudes that put others down and control others.
4)the lack of monks for important missions just pisses people off in general.


I don't have a problem with examples 1 or 2, but I do have a problem with the elitist attitudes that some monks try and play god and act like you can't get by without them.

There's nothing you can do about it really, we have to accept the fact that Guild Wars is no longer a fresh new game, and that some people become jaded as time goes on.

Lol, that is so true. Every time when I tell them my energy, all the party members start spamming their weapons, health and energy, completely spamming away what I was trying to say

Im confused i thougt that there is only one monk in Tombs, it has always been only one monk in tombs not sure after the nerfed of the MM but i still think it is only one monk.

I play my self as a monk and last time there was this sin tellin me that were is the healing i just simply replied you are just a waist of energy.

there is no problem with monk dude the problem is in the team.

main resons

1. bad agro by tanks.
2. rush
3.when you run don run back to us cu we will not be able to heal (monk= primary target)

4. its not a crapy paper armor its more expensive even that tanks dude.

Expensive... but still paper!

Im sick and tired of the abuse as well, thats why my monk only gets to go to UW to 55, or to help guildies.
If anybody complains I reply: Didn't you know? its always the monks fault!!!!111oneoneone.
I usually stop healing jerks, that solves the problem more often than not.
As I said, its ALWAYS the monks fault, apparently...

id say that the ranger armor you have its only 10+ armor and its basically the same ohh the only hard armor we can get is the one for the tanks but let me tell you one thing i have never seen a group go trough a mission without a monk so if you have problems with monks just go do your mission on yourself withought any monk.

Ahhh and dont use healer hechmen i love to see the progress you get without it

I totally agree with all the posts that basically say "If you run out of energy each battle then you're doing something wrong." I play a monk as my primary character and have over 400 hours logged on her. When I play my other characters, a lot of times I only see the monk spamming healing breeze on everyone and using 300 point heals on people who lost only 1/10th of their life. On top of that, most of them don't bring any energy management skills... be it mantra of recall, offering of blood, signets or whatever.
I know that not everyone knows what they're doing but i believe some monks really had the abuse coming. Also, it's pretty ignorant to leave the group if someone resurrects a bad player. Sure you're screwing the bad player who won't listen but what about the rest of the hard working group? Monks screw up too and a lot of people who play monks think they're perfect.

I have to agree. I try not talk too much during missions, I just do my job and keep everyone healthy.

Oh lord, here we go again, the ole monk abuse thing all over. Ive played as a monk for about six months now, and let me tell you, its usualy not the team. Ive had bad groups, but the thing is everyone is so scared the monk will leave they wont tell him what hes doing wrong. Ill wait for a monk to recharge, its expected for people to be exhausted of energy after a tough fight. But, if you are always in need of energy you are doing something wrong. Also, contrary to popular belief, monks are not gods, they dont deserve to be respected any more than someone else on the team.No one deserves to be put on a pedestal for what they do in a group. Being a monk does not give you the right to hold it over everyone else. I cant remember a time where I was harassed as a monk so I suppose I am doing my job right.

And, if you really want to see abuse, look at the assasins sitting in outposts with no groups for hours at end.

Maybe you're just not a good monk, did that ever occur to you? It's not always everyone else's fault...

QFT. Exactly what I was thinking.

Just because someone plays a monk they expect to be treated like gods. That's just stupid and ignorant. I can reacall some battles where the warrior saved the day. Monks don't make the team, everyone makes the team.

I play my monk too help people, But i think i deserve some respect from team simply cause I respect all in team until they start behaveing bad. Calling people names and stuff like that make me very angry at a person. It is at times like those where I stop heal/res of that person. Usually that person leaves, but it make team better too have 7 people behaveing and respecting everyone, than 8 people with 1 beeing an arse.

Merlin Munk

I played a monk for long time...

For the most part I got little blame for idiots, mostly cause I was able to keep them alive ( thank you offering of blood )

On the otherhand it made me hate alot of people cause I saw all their mistakes. Eles trying to tank, Warriors aggroing, and people not bringing any defense with them since I can see what they are doing.

Overall playing as a monk taught me how not to play with other characters. After seeing terrible warriors play for some time i decided to make one. I'm pretty good since I learned from other peoples mistakes. I bring stuff to keep me alive ( and its not a wa/mo ) i know when to pull out, and I know that people need energy to recharge after each little battle.

Not once as a warrior did I ever blame a monk for me dying. Cause I know it was my fault if I did.

Playing both sides shows you how to really play, so i say those who blame monks are just ignorant. I say the same thing for those who call out for a rez the second after they die.

Also the best way to play a monk i found out is to play with another monk and you're both on teamspeak. Me and buddy do that and we divide our talents and cordintate who we'll heal. We also alternate spamming Aegis which helps alot.

We been with nothing but crappy groups, even ones with moronic assassins and no one ever died. Altough we be laughing at them all and taunting those who we have to surge heal. Saying stuff like put your armor on, and golly you got your butt spanked. Or we'll say so-and-so sucks and wouldn;t be alive if it weren't for us.

They can't say anythign back cause we keep them all alive. So yeah thats sort of our little revenge on the crappy players.

But we haven't done it in a while cause playing a Monk is boring as hell. I want to kill stuff.

But I hold nothign but but respect for monks since its a pain in the ass to play as one, and they don't need any extra abuse. I figure for every monk out there, they got enough abuse already.

I agree with this. When I'm monking, everything starts out great, and usually I'm more than apologetic for EVERYTHING that goes wrong, even if it's not my mistake (many times it isn't--there seven other players, I'm only 1/8 of that team). I try to respect the other players, until they breech that respect. Once they breech it, I will still heal them (unless they are half a map away, alone...sadly, I'm not omnipresent) and will still ressurect them, but I sure won't be happy about it. Is it too much for me to expect to be treated with respect and as another human player?

I will agree that there are a fair amount of snobby monks, monks who aren't quite sure what healing means, and dishonest monks (smuggle into your group as a smiter/etc.). However, I'd probably also say this is more noticeable due to the visibility of our profession.

Not every monk is a bad monk if they screw up a couple heal others, let someone die, run out of energy during battle, etc. It happens, we're all human. There will always be "elitist" players out there, there is not much you can do about that. However, I do know that in order for any of this to change, we all need to take responsibility. Have a little understanding for your monk who is constantly out of energy, maybe kindly suggest an energy management skill. At the same time, have a little understanding for a warrior who overzealously aggros a mob when you're not ready. Just as your eyes are glued to the red bars (and you're probably missing most of the chat and surroundings--I know I've missed green drops because I was so focused on the red bars), the warrior probably is assessing the adjacent mobs and not necessarily focusing on the chat to see your "My energy is 4 of 52."

It's not those poor poor little monks... it's a basic "you shall receive what you ask for" situation.
All this no res/no heal bullshit and you're really wondering why people hate your profession? All of this "my way or no way" behavior? All of this "kick the Ranger, we need another Ele" behavior? The fun you have with "bad" groups and your Unyielding Aura?
And after you've ruined the day for many many others you come to the boards and whine about how bad you've been treated and that everyone is unfair towards your class and you should be respected some more... Figures.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, note my disclaimer that i'm not referring to anyone and especially not to YOU, so don't take my post personally or as a flame. I'm speaking about the general monk population here...

And seriously, no! Your Monkclass doesn't deserve any respect at all. No class does. Your personal skill maybe deserves respect, your personality most certainly deserves respect but in no way your class.

Whenever i'm playing on my monk, i strangely don't experience any abuse. I wonder why? Luck? I don't think so. The occasional person tries to flame me, but you know what? He would have flamed me anyways, no matter what class. I've also never done this "no heal" nonsense. That only makes the whole situation even worse and shows that you're tripping over your own ego.


So basically, to everyone (now i'm speaking to YOU):
If you're experiencing a lot of flames and problems with your monk, maybe think about what you're doing. It could be you, that is causing the problems.

I've never really seen any abuse towards monks, people are just far too affraid to lose one of the rarest played (Farming Crowd not counted in) classes. But i've seen lots and lots of abuse coming FROM a monk. And especially, no offense to the Threadstarter, i've also seen a lot of (sorry again) whining from Monkplayers about how unfair they've been treated. But i've strangely never seen a thread like this coming from one of the other class. Maybe think about it for a while.

Peace.

I truly enjoy playing Monk, and have had mostly great experiences with players even in random PUGs.

Never been "abused" in the year plus since Prophecies launch, maybe I have just got lucky?

It's a video game, you are supposed to be having fun! If the group you are in is making your experience not fun, leave and find a more appropriate grouping.

I know what ya mean, I was monking today, had a warrior that had frenzy nonestop, we told him to stop but we were able to keep him alive anyway, and two casters that ran out in front of the tank and grabbed the aggro, also the tank pulling a mob and running behing the casters >.< . If its any class thats made me see peoples dumb mistakes, its the monk.

Here's a little example of what it can turn into. Not so long ago I was with a pug south of House Zu Heltzer. The group started to veer in different directions until they separate, each in their own private little battles. Me? I was always jumped on with virtually no one to help me. I was fending off for myself. Of course, during that time it becomes a bit hard to concentrate on your fellow team members. One even had the guts of asking "...please heal next time".

Hu uh. Very clever. Try healing far apart people when you're fending off Wardens of all kinds. Of course I can't say that for all the pugs I've been into but some are pretty bad.

"I have no energy" is a bad excuse for a monk. Any boon healer with MoR can keep up even with the crazy warrior taking on the second group seconds after beating the first. It's called battle longevity. You must be able to sustain the steady rate of healing. The other players compensate by bringing defensive stances, armor increasing spells and enchantments and damage output hindering hexes.

Of course you won't heal a frenzied warrior taking on Glint or something. Apply some common sense. In normal situations a monk has to be able to drop 200+ hp heals with only 7 energy non-stop. This is possible with MoR. You don't get +15/-1 rod and +15/-1 focus to heal with Jameis Gaze and Heal Other constantly, then complain how you have no energy when there are zero Inspiration magic in your bar (or any energy management skill). I've asked a lot of monks: what do you use for energy management? Typical reply is "5 energy spells, I don't need energy management." Horsepoo.

And please... No smiting... Seriously please...

Ah yes those brilliant Ele's that think they're doing you a favour by dropping Fire and ES for some Earth Magic for Armour of Earth. They truly do amaze me... all that extra armour they get and all that ability to kite they lose! Morons...
Or those Warriors that bring Dolyak Signet and have no frigging idea how to use it and end up walking after the agro they lost slowly.

At least bring something useful, Enfeebling Blood/Enfeeble/Enfeebling Touch? Distortion? Watch Yourself? Shields Up?

Just don't be a warrior who brings Prot Spirit to cast on himself... they're taking more than 10% health a bit why? Ah yes that armour ignoring Mesmer damage... If only they realised most of the armour ignoring damage they took was from PS getting shattered.

Theres a huge difference between something helpful and something purely to keep you alive. All the talk of defensive stances, your a warrior for christ sake, fair enough bring somet to keep yourself alive longer, but its nice if your running enough Tactics to use Defensive Stance to bring something that can benefit the rest of us too (even if you shouldn't be close enough for it to affect us most of the time anyway).

lol, yeah, some monks think they're all that...not doing anything wrong. But, agreed, monks aren't perfect. They make mistakes too.

However, when the tank KITES (yes, i know, wtf.) can't expect the monk to heal your party of 8 when 20 guys rush at your team.

Yup, "no energy" or "OMG LAGGGGGG srry!" is commonly used, myself included. Just a cover up meaning sorry...screwed up. But hey, WTF WHY'D YOU RUSH IN, TANK?! Makes it also perfectly clear that you were low on energy and that the guy was an idiot.

I personally am against the idea of blaming monks...unless they're really that bad. I, being a monk, hate the critism i get when i screw up...not paying attention. We try...or at least most of us :S It is tempting to just ignore the guy screaming at you, and not heal him, but I still do it.

Don't blame your monks unless they do something like...
Running up the stairs, all the way up, and coming back down trying to aggro the world in Raisu Palace, but actually trying to mean well for your team...completely unaware that he just screwed up the mission.

Simply put to the lvl 15 tanks with Yak's:

If you keep charging into a group with half health and I have 3 energy, I will let you die, and I know I'm the only one with res. :|

I like to run monk just for fun and most of the time people are quite rude. I dont want to have to start another THK strike . . .

as of late, ive only gotten sass from one group.... the casters... . im a pretty good healer, since before i started doing nything i went and farmed and bought all the divine + healing skills i could. so most everyone can almost constantly stay alive. the wammos and sins usually understand when they die, why they died. but the casters as said in the first post will get to close, or actually try and tank (retarded) and then blame me when they are spiked before i can hit the #4 button for WoH or orison, or jamei's gaze.

as for the are the wammos really so stupid as to run into groups right after a fight w/o regen time, sometimes. in which case i send out the message "run or die" and i turn around and book it. then i explain my actions. any sass, and the map comes up and find a new group. but it seems that because of the monk shortage, there arent that many jackasses now ^_^

Lol, when I saw this title, I thought you meant all of the abusive monks out there. Most monks are fine, but sometimes you get these really snobby, elitist monks who think they can take advantage of you because they're the one healing you. I got in an argument with a monk over a non-game related issue, and he refused to heal me the entire mission. Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

And its not like I'm not nice to monks, I wait for them to regen energy and don't aggro huge groups.