I have done the forge run really isnt that great only real benefit is you get your max stats armor sooner.
Anyone Smart who run to Droknor either does it for the armor or to get quicker acess to one of the farming areas near droknor to level up farming.
anyone who just comes from Beacons skipping crytstal desert all together will be missing access to tombs and Hall of heros, 2 very nice elites from crystal desert and Dragon's Lair, and 30 attribute Points.
Stupid forge runners!
OrangeArrow
Divinitys Creature
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If people want to lower their playing fun by being ran all the way to Droknar, it's fine by me. When I see non-ascended people in the first mission of the lower Shiverpeaks (the name always escapes me) I just laugh, as no one will invite a lvl 15 for the mission.
They are also missing out in getting skills, and weapons, and such. EDIT: I don't know why people buy this game just so they can be run to the end, and miss all of the fun of the middle. It isn't all that much of an accomplishment to beat the game at lvl 15, other than the fact that your team mates must be good to win with one less person |
They are partially running: TO THE BEGINNING OF THE GAME. PvE is the introductory part of the game, they are just getting the tools for PvP. We could say you (PvE people) ruin our fun by not wanting us to have UAS or fame unlocking.
Dax
On one hand, who cares. If someone does not wants to cut corners fine. On the other hand it's easy to see how it might put off the new player. Yes the arenas in the low level areas don't count for much....unless maybe you just started playing and it's your first arena experience.
Personally I don't really care, but it's pretty interesting how much people will go through not to play through the story.
Personally I don't really care, but it's pretty interesting how much people will go through not to play through the story.
QTFsniper
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who cares if they got further, they will still need to go through the game to get skill points... i hate whn forge runners take yor gemz too, even after you let them have your rune...
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ShadowWrath
Running places and avoiding monsters is thrilling IMO. More thrilling than standing there and firing the same spells/arrows/whatever at monsters over and over.
The Pope
How many times should people have to finish the missions before it counts? Anything that bypasses pointless repetitive actions so that you can do what you want is good. Or should people all go back to menial factory labour that a mindless machine can do so much better because it's "more fulfilling" than enjoying yourself?
Yukito Kunisaki
You should look at it this way...
They're level <10. So... uh... If it's a new character, do you REALLY think they'd get all the SHIZNORS skills by just heading for Droknar's?
Yeah... Right.
OMG, THEY'RE ASCENDED TO LEVEL 20 FROM LVL 5!!!!
Well, fight them in pvp. Do you think they'd have the know-how and smarts to fight with their cheaply earned skills and equipment?
I don't care who you are. I'll gladly fight your 3 hour lvl 20 ascended character with my W/N who's spent more than 200+ hours in actual guild combat, arena combat, and pve combat. Ah, you've got the character skills and big armor, whoopty doo!
Now let's see how much REAL SKILL YA GOT... [evil grin...
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Your skill level can't POSSIBLY beat those who've spent a little time playing this game. The game is based on skill, not hours played, true, however, the one who's played longer may have the upper hand IF THEY KNOW just how their character's role in battle should be.
Hours played means you have upper end gear. Funny thing is, so does everyone else at your level so YOUR RAW SKILL will make or break your character.
Those of you who HAVE to run to Droknar's? Go ahead, I'll make sure me and my teammates may mulch your ass alive. Skill through experience is the REAL way to play this game...
They're level <10. So... uh... If it's a new character, do you REALLY think they'd get all the SHIZNORS skills by just heading for Droknar's?
Yeah... Right.
OMG, THEY'RE ASCENDED TO LEVEL 20 FROM LVL 5!!!!
Well, fight them in pvp. Do you think they'd have the know-how and smarts to fight with their cheaply earned skills and equipment?
I don't care who you are. I'll gladly fight your 3 hour lvl 20 ascended character with my W/N who's spent more than 200+ hours in actual guild combat, arena combat, and pve combat. Ah, you've got the character skills and big armor, whoopty doo!
Now let's see how much REAL SKILL YA GOT... [evil grin...
Your skill level can't POSSIBLY beat those who've spent a little time playing this game. The game is based on skill, not hours played, true, however, the one who's played longer may have the upper hand IF THEY KNOW just how their character's role in battle should be.
Hours played means you have upper end gear. Funny thing is, so does everyone else at your level so YOUR RAW SKILL will make or break your character.
Those of you who HAVE to run to Droknar's? Go ahead, I'll make sure me and my teammates may mulch your ass alive. Skill through experience is the REAL way to play this game...
leviathan
Wth.... 150 hours to get to iron mines..... I think it took my 3rd char about 20 hours to ascend. And 60 hours to beat all the missions.
Um usually it isnt total noobs getting run to droknars, its usually people with more than one character, who dont wanna play through all the missions for a 2nd/3rd time.
Um usually it isnt total noobs getting run to droknars, its usually people with more than one character, who dont wanna play through all the missions for a 2nd/3rd time.
Mercury Angel
There's a big problem with this whole topic:
How far is 'too far ahead' and 'having skills beyond what you should have' exactly?
Is Yak's Bend too far for the Ascalon Arena?
Is Lion's Arch too far for Ascalon Arena?
Is Henge of Denravi too far for Ascalon Arena?
And are skills from Fisherman's Haven, which can be gotten from a run from Lion's Arch to Temple of Ages, down to Fisherman's Haven, too advanced?
If my Monk were weilding Balthazar's Aura at lvl 10, would it be 'cheating'?
And onward, including the Desert, where you can get great armor from the collectors which rival the Droknar's Forge armor.
And we've talked armor, what about weaponry? And runes?
Why should I be able to have 12 smiting at level 10 using a superior rune of smiting, and weild an 11-22 damage smiting staff from a collector with 20% recharge and 20% casting speed buffs? Why should I have a Superior Vigor and Superior Absorption as a warrior that early? When the damage is so low, -3 can make quite the big difference.
Just how much is too much of an advantage? Who gets to draw the line?
In the end, the reasons that nothing is done is most likely:
-The game is balanced for lvl 20, 8vs8 combat. Not lvl 10 4vs4. Thinking otherwise is exactly the reason why some people protest the addition of a 1 vs 1 arena: People will complain about balance issues. Would you prefer that the 4 vs 4 arenas didn't exist at all?
And as above, where is the line drawn for how far is too far ahead? I could skip through the jungle and get some 49 AL armor on my caster, 19 more than the 30 AL I'm supposed to have that early. Would that make me a 'cheater'? Also, I do plan on running to Fisherman's Haven on my level 12 monk to get Balthazar's Aura. It's a totally kick butt skill that would really complete my Smiting skill set for now. (Most of the rest require me to get in range of the enemy and hit them. Holy Strike is even touch range, although the damage is pretty good.) If I step into the Shiverpeak Arena after I get that skill, do I become a 'cheater'? (And I most likely WILL step into the arena around level 14-15, before it's too late to never go back into again.)
The arenas offer no inherent rewards, and the game is too open ended to stop people from gaining an advantage over others one way or another.
How far is 'too far ahead' and 'having skills beyond what you should have' exactly?
Is Yak's Bend too far for the Ascalon Arena?
Is Lion's Arch too far for Ascalon Arena?
Is Henge of Denravi too far for Ascalon Arena?
And are skills from Fisherman's Haven, which can be gotten from a run from Lion's Arch to Temple of Ages, down to Fisherman's Haven, too advanced?
If my Monk were weilding Balthazar's Aura at lvl 10, would it be 'cheating'?
And onward, including the Desert, where you can get great armor from the collectors which rival the Droknar's Forge armor.
And we've talked armor, what about weaponry? And runes?
Why should I be able to have 12 smiting at level 10 using a superior rune of smiting, and weild an 11-22 damage smiting staff from a collector with 20% recharge and 20% casting speed buffs? Why should I have a Superior Vigor and Superior Absorption as a warrior that early? When the damage is so low, -3 can make quite the big difference.
Just how much is too much of an advantage? Who gets to draw the line?
In the end, the reasons that nothing is done is most likely:
-The game is balanced for lvl 20, 8vs8 combat. Not lvl 10 4vs4. Thinking otherwise is exactly the reason why some people protest the addition of a 1 vs 1 arena: People will complain about balance issues. Would you prefer that the 4 vs 4 arenas didn't exist at all?
And as above, where is the line drawn for how far is too far ahead? I could skip through the jungle and get some 49 AL armor on my caster, 19 more than the 30 AL I'm supposed to have that early. Would that make me a 'cheater'? Also, I do plan on running to Fisherman's Haven on my level 12 monk to get Balthazar's Aura. It's a totally kick butt skill that would really complete my Smiting skill set for now. (Most of the rest require me to get in range of the enemy and hit them. Holy Strike is even touch range, although the damage is pretty good.) If I step into the Shiverpeak Arena after I get that skill, do I become a 'cheater'? (And I most likely WILL step into the arena around level 14-15, before it's too late to never go back into again.)
The arenas offer no inherent rewards, and the game is too open ended to stop people from gaining an advantage over others one way or another.
Paladin_Adoni
I 100% agree with the end-game armor on low-level arena players is wrong. I VERY VERY VERY much doubt arena net intended for sub-level 10 characters wearing that armor.
but, as far as people being run from a-b. sure do it I dont care.
I've run people from ascalon to lions arch. thats a LONG bloody way. they payed me. I was happy. (im also cheep!) they were happy.
I've finished the game, and to be honest its a little slow paced (mainly the whole finding a group thing) I dont have time to serious PvP. so I keep myself entertained by farming and running.
now, before you seek me out ingame. I dont run poeple through to droknars. it takes to long. and I like to kill things. so yeah.
I'm guessing that all you people who say theres nothing wrong with entereing the new people arena with end-game armour, never actually spent much time there or are so l33t that you figure you can take anyone no matter there advantage.
that first arena is designed to let new players find out what all the PvP stuff is about. going in and getting totally raped by some warrior in that armor (happened to me way too much) is simply annoying to the core. warrior/mo vs warrior/mo and doing little to no damage because of the armor is not exactly encouraging new people to play PvP is it?
but, as far as people being run from a-b. sure do it I dont care.
I've run people from ascalon to lions arch. thats a LONG bloody way. they payed me. I was happy. (im also cheep!) they were happy.
I've finished the game, and to be honest its a little slow paced (mainly the whole finding a group thing) I dont have time to serious PvP. so I keep myself entertained by farming and running.
now, before you seek me out ingame. I dont run poeple through to droknars. it takes to long. and I like to kill things. so yeah.
I'm guessing that all you people who say theres nothing wrong with entereing the new people arena with end-game armour, never actually spent much time there or are so l33t that you figure you can take anyone no matter there advantage.
that first arena is designed to let new players find out what all the PvP stuff is about. going in and getting totally raped by some warrior in that armor (happened to me way too much) is simply annoying to the core. warrior/mo vs warrior/mo and doing little to no damage because of the armor is not exactly encouraging new people to play PvP is it?
toastgodsupreme
I had my Wa/Mo ran to Droknar's. Why? I wanted the best armor early. So now I'm running around with 100 def +20vs phys. I'm happy. If I can afford it because I ascended another character by playing the game, then it's my perogative.
STFU and stop crying about something that has no effect on you. If you want to group at Beacons, stay out of Dist 1. That's the runner district really.
STFU and stop crying about something that has no effect on you. If you want to group at Beacons, stay out of Dist 1. That's the runner district really.
=HT=Ingram
trust me this is not being done by the n00bs. this is being done for a 2nd or 3rd character build by their guildmates normally...
I mean I have access to it with my other characters, but people get down there so they can get their armor basically. for PvE. Its of little to no use to anyone else, because in PvP you can make level 20 characters already with max armor classes...
So its not like these people are able to do something supper special by getting there...
Prime example. I'm a level 18 monk with my 3rd character now, but I have not even got to the desert yet. I did all the quests missions and bonus up to divinity coast and quite simpliy I'm a little board now. Being my 3rd time through. So I want to get to Droknar's forge quick so I can start having fun against good npcs again... if I'm still a day or two away going through a bunch of stuff I have done MANY times, and I want to get to better areas quicker, so I get my guildmates to take me down, I get my better armor and start fighting there... and doing what I want to be doing unlocking new skills and runes for PvP. (Which are REQUIRED TO HAVE TO DO NOW FOR SOME REASON) Its the same thing with the diffenet characters. why can they not just map to the point they want to go if you have already been there with another character??? but ceilavie.. thats the way it is... I deal with it. Even when you finish the game(or waht SOME PEOPLE CALL FINISHING THE GAME) its not really finished. I suppose thats the real pain about the whole thing. there is no real benifit to finishing all the missions and bonuses to the game... other then just to do it...
I mean I have access to it with my other characters, but people get down there so they can get their armor basically. for PvE. Its of little to no use to anyone else, because in PvP you can make level 20 characters already with max armor classes...
So its not like these people are able to do something supper special by getting there...
Prime example. I'm a level 18 monk with my 3rd character now, but I have not even got to the desert yet. I did all the quests missions and bonus up to divinity coast and quite simpliy I'm a little board now. Being my 3rd time through. So I want to get to Droknar's forge quick so I can start having fun against good npcs again... if I'm still a day or two away going through a bunch of stuff I have done MANY times, and I want to get to better areas quicker, so I get my guildmates to take me down, I get my better armor and start fighting there... and doing what I want to be doing unlocking new skills and runes for PvP. (Which are REQUIRED TO HAVE TO DO NOW FOR SOME REASON) Its the same thing with the diffenet characters. why can they not just map to the point they want to go if you have already been there with another character??? but ceilavie.. thats the way it is... I deal with it. Even when you finish the game(or waht SOME PEOPLE CALL FINISHING THE GAME) its not really finished. I suppose thats the real pain about the whole thing. there is no real benifit to finishing all the missions and bonuses to the game... other then just to do it...
Sovetskeey
Well I've decided that to try and turn people off of Lornar's Pass runs I'm gonna go scamming 
. Bring my warrior ask for 3k, half up front and just ditch 'em. Make those n00bs think twice about skipping half the game
In my opinion, Lornar's Pass needs to be closed. It's pretty annoying when you're down at the Ring of Fire and you've got level 12s, 15s and 17s joining your party. They just sit back and leech because they get whooped about 30 seconds into the mission otherwise.
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Guess I'm too slow. They all want you to take them to "that place just before Droknar's" or "right outside of Droknar's" before they'll pay
Oh well... Back to trying Hell's Precipice for the 8th time...
. Bring my warrior ask for 3k, half up front and just ditch 'em. Make those n00bs think twice about skipping half the game In my opinion, Lornar's Pass needs to be closed. It's pretty annoying when you're down at the Ring of Fire and you've got level 12s, 15s and 17s joining your party. They just sit back and leech because they get whooped about 30 seconds into the mission otherwise.
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Guess I'm too slow. They all want you to take them to "that place just before Droknar's" or "right outside of Droknar's" before they'll pay
Oh well... Back to trying Hell's Precipice for the 8th time...
The Pope
Oooh moralistic self righteous scamming. Thats a million times worse than plain greedy scamming.
Tyil Thunder Arrow
I sat here and listened to all the peple cry about forge runs yesterday and how lomars should be closed off. Well just to spight those of you who cry I did it yup first char level 17 i took her to droknars. Then i went back to Ventari's and continued on. Oh and ranger armor sucks so wasn't for that.
I say every one make the run then if the close lomars we can still have a place to hunt high end.
I say every one make the run then if the close lomars we can still have a place to hunt high end.
Numa Pompilius
Uh... WTF _ARE_ you supposed to get to Droknars, if not through running Lornars?
I'm currently busy failing Elona & Thirsty River - I'm strictly soloing with henches and Alesias shortcomings as a tank are becoming very obvious now - and I've never been to Droknars.
I'm currently busy failing Elona & Thirsty River - I'm strictly soloing with henches and Alesias shortcomings as a tank are becoming very obvious now - and I've never been to Droknars.
arnansnow
Your first sentence didn't really make sense, was it supposed to be HOW_ARE_(blah blah blah)?
Try doing the missions with real people, it takes some perserverence, but you can eventually find a good group.
Try doing the missions with real people, it takes some perserverence, but you can eventually find a good group.
Numa Pompilius
No, it was supposed to be When The ****.
I wasn't complaining about the difficulty of Elona etc, I'll beat those eventually, once I figure out where I'm supposed to go and what I'm supposed to do, I was wondering when you ARE supposed to get to Droknars Forge, since it apparently isn't by running through Lornars Pass.
I wasn't complaining about the difficulty of Elona etc, I'll beat those eventually, once I figure out where I'm supposed to go and what I'm supposed to do, I was wondering when you ARE supposed to get to Droknars Forge, since it apparently isn't by running through Lornars Pass.
arnansnow
OH When The **** makes sense.
*Spoiler*
You get there directly after finishing Dragon's Lair Mission, which is after ascension
*Spoiler*
You get there directly after finishing Dragon's Lair Mission, which is after ascension
kungfumonkey2
So, lets say they close Droknars.
I will just go get my end game armor from the Eternal Forge. And it is a lot closer than Droknars. Then what are you going to do? Cry to close the Temple? LOL yeah right, cause Temple is the whole reason for winning HoH.
I would LOVE for someone to provide a screen of a lvl 10 wearing Droknar's and owning people in Ascalon arena. I dont know since when 1 person made that big of contribution to a PvP team. I think it has been said before, slow the guy down take out the rest of the team then gank him 4v1.
Again I reinterate I have never fought in a low lvl arena, for me it is a waste of time. I have rushed to Droknars though. After 250 hours on my first character (since everyone else is throwing out their playing time). Let a n00b rush to Droknars, how is he going to afford the armor and materials? He will pretty much have to get thru most of the game before he can purchase any of the armor. Because the armor offered in Droknar's requires to many resources for someone to provide from a first character. Armor is not specified by level, but by wealth. Can I afford this armor? Yes, so I can buy it.
If someone wants to do nothing but fight in low lvl arenas that is their choice. They can consider themselves low lvl duelers, way to go. Personally any one that considered themselve a pro at low lvl dueling would NOT be allowed into my guild. What contrabutition do they offer? Are you winning Sigils? Are you winning Guild rank? No, so go away.
I will just go get my end game armor from the Eternal Forge. And it is a lot closer than Droknars. Then what are you going to do? Cry to close the Temple? LOL yeah right, cause Temple is the whole reason for winning HoH.
I would LOVE for someone to provide a screen of a lvl 10 wearing Droknar's and owning people in Ascalon arena. I dont know since when 1 person made that big of contribution to a PvP team. I think it has been said before, slow the guy down take out the rest of the team then gank him 4v1.
Again I reinterate I have never fought in a low lvl arena, for me it is a waste of time. I have rushed to Droknars though. After 250 hours on my first character (since everyone else is throwing out their playing time). Let a n00b rush to Droknars, how is he going to afford the armor and materials? He will pretty much have to get thru most of the game before he can purchase any of the armor. Because the armor offered in Droknar's requires to many resources for someone to provide from a first character. Armor is not specified by level, but by wealth. Can I afford this armor? Yes, so I can buy it.
If someone wants to do nothing but fight in low lvl arenas that is their choice. They can consider themselves low lvl duelers, way to go. Personally any one that considered themselve a pro at low lvl dueling would NOT be allowed into my guild. What contrabutition do they offer? Are you winning Sigils? Are you winning Guild rank? No, so go away.
Numa Pompilius
Ooh!
Thanks!
OK, my take is that Lornars Pass exists exactly because the devs *wanted* people to be able to take a shortcut to get armor for their second, third etc character.
Lvl-requirements on armor could help some, but there's plenty of good armor available long before Droknars, and in any case a couple of superior runes are going to make any character pretty uber in Ascalon and Yaks Bend even with the-best-armor-money-can-buy-that's-still-appropriate-for-the-level armor.
I think one may just have to accept that battles aren't fair in the low level arenas.
Thanks!
OK, my take is that Lornars Pass exists exactly because the devs *wanted* people to be able to take a shortcut to get armor for their second, third etc character.
Lvl-requirements on armor could help some, but there's plenty of good armor available long before Droknars, and in any case a couple of superior runes are going to make any character pretty uber in Ascalon and Yaks Bend even with the-best-armor-money-can-buy-that's-still-appropriate-for-the-level armor.
I think one may just have to accept that battles aren't fair in the low level arenas.
arnansnow
I agree that there should be level requirements so that low level characters can't get the 15k armor at level 10.
FrogDevourer
Who cares about about low level arena? The fun has been polluted by twinking lamers right from the start, so there is no point in playing there. Who cares about those who buy high level armors. PvE will be a breeze for them, so what? They'll just spoil their own fun. The same stands for players for leech XP and drops from UW/FoW. They'll level a lot faster than by playing them game.
The real problem is not the armor or the low level arena. The true problem is that ANet doesn't wonder WHY veterans are rushing their alternate characters.
I have unlocked all the skills I need from 3/4 professions with my main character. I want to play another PvE (not roleplay, just standard PvE) toon with a different primary profession (say a water elementalist). Why do I have to bear with crappy starting skills (read: fire only) again? I have unlocked/bought/captured all the skills I need. Why I can't use them in PvE? I have captured elites in the very last mission. I can use them only to farm in the UW/FoW or in PvP. Wow... sooo exciting.
Why can't I get unlocked skills in all my PvE toons? Balance issue? Aren't skills supposed to be balanced? I used to be able to equip elites from level 1 in beta week ends (skill rings), and it felt perfectly fine for PvE. So where's the problem? Why am I forced to play with the crappy skills (and no elite) ANet wants me to use? Why can't I play PvE with rogue builds using unusual skill combinations. PvP is about competition, but PvE is much more enjoyable with cool/weird/whatever builds.
Where is the old beta GW which used to give more OPTIONS?!
Conclusion, my next character will be rushed to volcanic islands where I'll buy/capture what I need. THEN, and only then, I will go back to lowbie areas to play the game normally. I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm cheating to get some options and to play the game as I like, instead of being forced to play like the majority of lowbies.
The real problem is not the armor or the low level arena. The true problem is that ANet doesn't wonder WHY veterans are rushing their alternate characters.
I have unlocked all the skills I need from 3/4 professions with my main character. I want to play another PvE (not roleplay, just standard PvE) toon with a different primary profession (say a water elementalist). Why do I have to bear with crappy starting skills (read: fire only) again? I have unlocked/bought/captured all the skills I need. Why I can't use them in PvE? I have captured elites in the very last mission. I can use them only to farm in the UW/FoW or in PvP. Wow... sooo exciting.
Why can't I get unlocked skills in all my PvE toons? Balance issue? Aren't skills supposed to be balanced? I used to be able to equip elites from level 1 in beta week ends (skill rings), and it felt perfectly fine for PvE. So where's the problem? Why am I forced to play with the crappy skills (and no elite) ANet wants me to use? Why can't I play PvE with rogue builds using unusual skill combinations. PvP is about competition, but PvE is much more enjoyable with cool/weird/whatever builds.
Where is the old beta GW which used to give more OPTIONS?!
Conclusion, my next character will be rushed to volcanic islands where I'll buy/capture what I need. THEN, and only then, I will go back to lowbie areas to play the game normally. I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm cheating to get some options and to play the game as I like, instead of being forced to play like the majority of lowbies.
Parn
Alot of this maybe Sounds like Storage problems. Yeah ya need a buttload of stuff to get the best armor. Lil newbies don't have the resources. The storage from other their other characters do though. Whats the point of getting badass and going to the arena to say you Schooled some lil Lowbies? I'm always up for the challenge,
I love Lonars pass ducking and weaving through the all that. It's exciting something the rest of the game can't do for me right now. Yeah I tried the Desert and did all the missions up to that point, but damn can we say Posion Rules all. Thank god I have a shield that has quick recovery of posion. Hell I go with a Low level group through Lonars Just to show em they can't do it. Last couple days I am on trying to run through there it's a blast even if I don't make it. Farthest I made it was end of dreadnaughts where all the shadows are. I'll be on there again today doing the same thing. In the End I do agree it comes down to skills thats why I am trying to get there.
I love Lonars pass ducking and weaving through the all that. It's exciting something the rest of the game can't do for me right now. Yeah I tried the Desert and did all the missions up to that point, but damn can we say Posion Rules all. Thank god I have a shield that has quick recovery of posion. Hell I go with a Low level group through Lonars Just to show em they can't do it. Last couple days I am on trying to run through there it's a blast even if I don't make it. Farthest I made it was end of dreadnaughts where all the shadows are. I'll be on there again today doing the same thing. In the End I do agree it comes down to skills thats why I am trying to get there.
Creston
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You should look at it this way...
They're level <10. So... uh... If it's a new character, do you REALLY think they'd get all the SHIZNORS skills by just heading for Droknar's? Yeah... Right. OMG, THEY'RE ASCENDED TO LEVEL 20 FROM LVL 5!!!! Well, fight them in pvp. Do you think they'd have the know-how and smarts to fight with their cheaply earned skills and equipment? I don't care who you are. I'll gladly fight your 3 hour lvl 20 ascended character with my W/N who's spent more than 200+ hours in actual guild combat, arena combat, and pve combat. Ah, you've got the character skills and big armor, whoopty doo! Now let's see how much REAL SKILL YA GOT... [evil grin... Your skill level can't POSSIBLY beat those who've spent a little time playing this game. The game is based on skill, not hours played, true, however, the one who's played longer may have the upper hand IF THEY KNOW just how their character's role in battle should be. Hours played means you have upper end gear. Funny thing is, so does everyone else at your level so YOUR RAW SKILL will make or break your character. Those of you who HAVE to run to Droknar's? Go ahead, I'll make sure me and my teammates may mulch your ass alive. Skill through experience is the REAL way to play this game... |
You also seem to be suffering from some misconceptions.We're talking about running to Droknar's to get armor and skills. That's about all it can give you.
You're talking about ascending from lvl 5 to lvl 20. Errr what? What game are you playing?
Also, most of the runners who go to Droknar will then go back and keep playing the game, levelling normally. Some may choose to try to go outside and farm some of the lvl 24 mobs, but that's really tough to do at a low level without skills / items etc.
So, the scenario you're describing...doesn't really happen all that often.
Creston
Creston
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Originally Posted by FrogDevourer
Who cares about about low level arena? The fun has been polluted by twinking lamers right from the start, so there is no point in playing there. Who cares about those who buy high level armors. PvE will be a breeze for them, so what? They'll just spoil their own fun. The same stands for players for leech XP and drops from UW/FoW. They'll level a lot faster than by playing them game.
The real problem is not the armor or the low level arena. The true problem is that ANet doesn't wonder WHY veterans are rushing their alternate characters. I have unlocked all the skills I need from 3/4 professions with my main character. I want to play another PvE (not roleplay, just standard PvE) toon with a different primary profession (say a water elementalist). Why do I have to bear with crappy starting skills (read: fire only) again? I have unlocked/bought/captured all the skills I need. Why I can't use them in PvE? I have captured elites in the very last mission. I can use them only to farm in the UW/FoW or in PvP. Wow... sooo exciting. Why can't I get unlocked skills in all my PvE toons? Balance issue? Aren't skills supposed to be balanced? I used to be able to equip elites from level 1 in beta week ends (skill rings), and it felt perfectly fine for PvE. So where's the problem? Why am I forced to play with the crappy skills (and no elite) ANet wants me to use? Why can't I play PvE with rogue builds using unusual skill combinations. PvP is about competition, but PvE is much more enjoyable with cool/weird/whatever builds. Where is the old beta GW which used to give more OPTIONS?! Conclusion, my next character will be rushed to volcanic islands where I'll buy/capture what I need. THEN, and only then, I will go back to lowbie areas to play the game normally. I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm cheating to get some options and to play the game as I like, instead of being forced to play like the majority of lowbies. |
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kungfumonkey2
You made some good points Frog.
Now to remain on topic. KEEP LORNARS, no level requirement for armor. Why would you want that? The more freedom there is the better. I mean the game is pretty linear as it is. Anyone who has gotten lost on a mission has a bad sense of direction.
Are all of you such sheep? That you HAVE to follow the prescribed path? Why not do something out of the ordinary path of events? Why follow what everyone else is doing, or what you are suppose to do? I hear these comments rushing to Droknars should not be allowed because of this and that, and you were not intended to have that armor yet, and it goes against the storyline. I make my own story that is dynamic based upon my chosen path. Who are you to tell me how to play my game? GW is great it is a free world governed only by limitations set forth by programers. I can go where I like do what I like. Do I cheat? No. Do I scam? No. I hold myself and my guild members to high standards. But if I wanted to be an ass I could, that is what is marvelous about a free society. To do bad or good is your choice. You just have to live with the consequences.
I got Draknors Armor at lvl 12, and am happy because of it. I do not abuse this armor, instead it is a benefit to those that party with me as we complete quests/missions. I use it to HELP people. Maybe this person has done this particular mission 30 times, and they say alright one more time if I dont do it this time I am never playing again. And guess what because of my more well equiped character we are able to more easily complete the mission. Remember what is good for my character is good for your character. Why? because were are in the same party. The better I preform the better off the team is. The better off you preform the better off the team is.
Lets say some guy had Draks armor and competed in Ascalon. He was partied with 3 random people. Maybe these 3 random people were real n00bs and had been bashed all day, and he came a long and they started winning reinstating their confidence in themselves. Because they were part of a winning team.
You are SO one sided. You see that just because you lost that something is wrong. Think about it for everyone that looses some one wins. I have been with teams that have sacrificed themselves to take out a Korean team, so that America could win the favor before. Yes, I did not win a Sigil, but I allowed for the American districts to have access in the Temple, which I then went and did fissure/UW runs.
Now to remain on topic. KEEP LORNARS, no level requirement for armor. Why would you want that? The more freedom there is the better. I mean the game is pretty linear as it is. Anyone who has gotten lost on a mission has a bad sense of direction.
Are all of you such sheep? That you HAVE to follow the prescribed path? Why not do something out of the ordinary path of events? Why follow what everyone else is doing, or what you are suppose to do? I hear these comments rushing to Droknars should not be allowed because of this and that, and you were not intended to have that armor yet, and it goes against the storyline. I make my own story that is dynamic based upon my chosen path. Who are you to tell me how to play my game? GW is great it is a free world governed only by limitations set forth by programers. I can go where I like do what I like. Do I cheat? No. Do I scam? No. I hold myself and my guild members to high standards. But if I wanted to be an ass I could, that is what is marvelous about a free society. To do bad or good is your choice. You just have to live with the consequences.
I got Draknors Armor at lvl 12, and am happy because of it. I do not abuse this armor, instead it is a benefit to those that party with me as we complete quests/missions. I use it to HELP people. Maybe this person has done this particular mission 30 times, and they say alright one more time if I dont do it this time I am never playing again. And guess what because of my more well equiped character we are able to more easily complete the mission. Remember what is good for my character is good for your character. Why? because were are in the same party. The better I preform the better off the team is. The better off you preform the better off the team is.
Lets say some guy had Draks armor and competed in Ascalon. He was partied with 3 random people. Maybe these 3 random people were real n00bs and had been bashed all day, and he came a long and they started winning reinstating their confidence in themselves. Because they were part of a winning team.
You are SO one sided. You see that just because you lost that something is wrong. Think about it for everyone that looses some one wins. I have been with teams that have sacrificed themselves to take out a Korean team, so that America could win the favor before. Yes, I did not win a Sigil, but I allowed for the American districts to have access in the Temple, which I then went and did fissure/UW runs.
Dax
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Originally Posted by FrogDevourer
Who cares about about low level arena? The fun has been polluted by twinking lamers right from the start, so there is no point in playing there. Who cares about those who buy high level armors. PvE will be a breeze for them, so what? They'll just spoil their own fun. The same stands for players for leech XP and drops from UW/FoW. They'll level a lot faster than by playing them game.
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I'm not saying I don't agree with you, but there is another group of people in this massively multiplayer game who maybe doesn't want to jump ahead and perhaps enjoy the arenas.
I respect the argument of people who for whatever reason wants torun to the high level zone, but I don't hear much for the new players who want to play the game and enjoy it from start to finish.
Darkest Dawn
It's funny. Before I even knew wher Lorner's pass went to, or even what it was there fore, I accidently went out with my party of hanchies at lvl 14. I got crushed by an ice imp and two of those lumbering hulkish monsters(name eludes me). I was near the respawn area, lol didn;t get far at all, and I eventually killed those three. I decided after that to leave and found the correct passage to Kryta.(which I was looking for anyways!)
My second character I got to lvl 20 and then tried it both with henchies, and twice with a party of peeps. Each time I(we) got crushed until we met this guy who ran us through. It was awesome to watch him (W/Mo ascended) go all the way the first attempt with us. I gladly paid my plat for my share, and didn't feel I cheated since I was lvl 20, and I was going right back to the desert after getting my new armor.
My second character I got to lvl 20 and then tried it both with henchies, and twice with a party of peeps. Each time I(we) got crushed until we met this guy who ran us through. It was awesome to watch him (W/Mo ascended) go all the way the first attempt with us. I gladly paid my plat for my share, and didn't feel I cheated since I was lvl 20, and I was going right back to the desert after getting my new armor.
Porkchop Sandwhiches
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I gladly paid my plat for my share
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Tyil Thunder Arrow
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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches
Heck, people were running newbies toPilkens Sqaure from Old Ascalon for money last I was there.
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hmm now why didn't i think of that
Creston
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Originally Posted by Porkchop Sandwhiches
Man, has anyone else noticed that this only really started to become a problem since they nerfed farming and runes hardcore? Seems to me just most people are trying to make money some way or another, and running people to areas seems to be the new way. Heck, people were running newbies to Pilkens Sqaure from Old Ascalon for money last I was there.
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How does taxi'ing hamper anyone? If some lvl 5 toon wants to be in Piken facing off against the lvl 7 Charr that are there, more power to him.
As for the comments "Well, I then HAVE TO party with people a lot lower level", that's just bunk.
You don't HAVE to party anywhere. If you see a lvl 12 guy join your party in Droknar's, kick him, or find another party.
Some people are treating this as if they're having a gun pressed against their head.
Creston
Ulric Druss
I'm not sure why this is such a problem for some people.
With my first character at lvl 17, I joined a group of 19's and a 20 and we made it to Droknar's Forge. It was a chaotic, nail-biting trip, with plenty of exciting moments and some great team play. I had an awesome time with this completely random group and wound up proving my worth on a number of occasions despite being the lowest level member as we worked our way down to the Forge.
Now, is this cheating, because I made it to the Forge at lvl 17, and "out of order" with the missions in the game?
If someone wants a higher character to run there for them, and that high level person wants to do it, then who is being hurt by this?
With my first character at lvl 17, I joined a group of 19's and a 20 and we made it to Droknar's Forge. It was a chaotic, nail-biting trip, with plenty of exciting moments and some great team play. I had an awesome time with this completely random group and wound up proving my worth on a number of occasions despite being the lowest level member as we worked our way down to the Forge.
Now, is this cheating, because I made it to the Forge at lvl 17, and "out of order" with the missions in the game?
If someone wants a higher character to run there for them, and that high level person wants to do it, then who is being hurt by this?
Cymboric Treewalker
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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2
I like this, it makes me chuckle.
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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2
So, you are angry because someone has better armor than you, and is able to beat you because of it?
First off low lvl PvP is like the Fischer-Price of PvP. If you are so upset because someone is beating you because they have better armor, go get some better armor. It is not like it is some unattainable thing reserved for the godly. Armor becomes almost irrelevant in HoH or GvG, because the amount of damage that is being thrown around, and everyone is wearing the same thing pretty much. You do not gain anything from the arenas, except the experience of play. So, from you learned experience of play you learned that better armor wins! |
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What you are essentially saying is. That it is not fair because someone beat you, and because you wanted to beat them.
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Originally Posted by kungfumonkey2
Some people want to n00b bash. That is fine it is like hazing, or initiation. Something younger generations have not experienced as much of, because of censorship and political correctness. If you don't like being n00b bashed then don't enter in low lvl PvP arenas with pre-searing armor and expect to win.
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asdar
I'm for keeping Lornars open. I made it through at 17 fighting and it remains the funnest trip in the game for me.
I'm not even going to argue anymore about the Ascalon Arena. If it's not clear which choice is right concerning going back there with Drak armor then it's probably too late to learn the difference between right and wrong now.
I'm not even going to argue anymore about the Ascalon Arena. If it's not clear which choice is right concerning going back there with Drak armor then it's probably too late to learn the difference between right and wrong now.
Cymboric Treewalker
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Originally Posted by The Pope
How many times should people have to finish the missions before it counts? Anything that bypasses pointless repetitive actions so that you can do what you want is good. Or should people all go back to menial factory labour that a mindless machine can do so much better because it's "more fulfilling" than enjoying yourself?
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Dunno about you... but well... why do people eat every day?
FrogDevourer
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Originally Posted by Dax
Maybe the people who just bought the game and are playing for the first time, want to check out the arenas and who want to play it through the storyline.
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Originally Posted by Ulric Druss
With my first character at lvl 17, I joined a group of 19's and a 20 and we made it to Droknar's Forge. It was a chaotic, nail-biting trip, with plenty of exciting moments and some great team play. I had an awesome time with this completely random group and wound up proving my worth on a number of occasions despite being the lowest level member as we worked our way down to the Forge.
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Divinitys Creature
The arena problem is solved by not letting you in with certain armor then, they shouldn't stop you from running to droknars just because of that.
Night Daftshadow
My problem with these Droknar runners is that they made it difficult to find a group that is doing the quests at Beacon's Perch. My first character, I could join a group within seconds to do going to Kryta quest or any others. Now with my second character, hardly anyone is doing any quests besides going through Lomar's Pass. I had to team up with henchies unfortunately.
Since ANet cannot add mountains to block off the path to Droknar's from Beacon's Perch, may be they will since suprising things have happened with their recent patches, anyway or may be they can add more of those annoying worms or add 3-4 of those giant worms that you see at the desert. now, these droknar runners will fall on their @ss and die before even making it past these worms. and they should also add those ice golems where the worms are at so that they can cast ice prison or whatever spell that causes slowness. this will take care of the problem.
i guess a more user friendly version to decrease this droknar running just to get better armor is to include a level requirement to pursue and wear armor. for example, since you will be level 20 once reaching droknar's forge by playing all the way through honestly, you have to be a level 20 to buy armor at droknar's.
OT:yesterday, i ran from temple of ages all the way to fishermn's haven and then to sanctum clay. it was very long run but worth it. after completing the False God's quest at TOA, i decided to explore since i never been to the area between TOA to sanctum cay. the scenery is wonderful! it was funny how i made it to sanctum cay with a party of 8/6; all henchies. but that's where i stopped, currently i am doing all of the missions that lead you to sanctum cay
Since ANet cannot add mountains to block off the path to Droknar's from Beacon's Perch, may be they will since suprising things have happened with their recent patches, anyway or may be they can add more of those annoying worms or add 3-4 of those giant worms that you see at the desert. now, these droknar runners will fall on their @ss and die before even making it past these worms. and they should also add those ice golems where the worms are at so that they can cast ice prison or whatever spell that causes slowness. this will take care of the problem.
i guess a more user friendly version to decrease this droknar running just to get better armor is to include a level requirement to pursue and wear armor. for example, since you will be level 20 once reaching droknar's forge by playing all the way through honestly, you have to be a level 20 to buy armor at droknar's.
OT:yesterday, i ran from temple of ages all the way to fishermn's haven and then to sanctum clay. it was very long run but worth it. after completing the False God's quest at TOA, i decided to explore since i never been to the area between TOA to sanctum cay. the scenery is wonderful! it was funny how i made it to sanctum cay with a party of 8/6; all henchies. but that's where i stopped, currently i am doing all of the missions that lead you to sanctum cay
FrogDevourer
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My problem with these Droknar runners is that they made it difficult to find a group that is doing the quests at Beacon's Perch. My first character, I could join a group within seconds to do going to Kryta quest or any others. Now with my second character, hardly anyone is doing any quests besides going through Lomar's Pass. I had to team up with henchies unfortunately.
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