Chest Farming

2 days ago I soloed the drake run, I got a 15-28 rare Icy Longbow, (+15% damage while HP is below 50%, AND +30 HEALTH!) and a rare axe (or hammer cant remember) Had a +13% damage on hexed foes, and a +29 health, that +29 health mod salvaged, and im using the bow. Then I went with a friend and we got another 2 rares.

I think the game nerfs things if you do them over and over, but if you wait a few days, youll have luck.

And a, being a ranger helps on the lightning orb.

yeah i do drake runs with my ranger but you can totaly tell they increased damge i used to take only 6 damge for lighting orbs now i take like 30, but it still soloble i can do it using my ranger style or the smiting monk style

zealots fire, reversal fortune, sheilding hands, orison of healing, shield of judgement, healing breezze, mending and i forget other but yeah this thing basicaly rocks this drakes try it out.

so now that we know they dont nerf the farms just it depends on how many times you do it can we share wer to farm now ill share if you share that wat forumss about.

ive gotten good runes farming etins at beetletun, and kryta gate. so far taht wer i farm havent found better spots so give up the 411 and dont be scared

corax5, you are acting just like the guy who was the first to point out the Augury Rock exploit. Because you won't spit it out, I will.

The chest/wreckage is just outside Destiny's Gorge. I have already /bugged this. It would help if you guys would to.

Oh, and I plan to PM it to Gaile.

cool thanks ill try taht too

Hmmm... It's not a bug if it operates the way it's supposed to, so would /bug really work?

I would consider the overuse of it an exploit more than anything else. Overuse meaning spending every waking hour doing it. After all, if it's a good source of money, why not? Just don't bot it, and don't make your entire playtime goal getting money from it.

With ridiculous prices on items like ectos and shards, I'd at least hope, though, that some people have enough sense not to farm more to buy the same... common sense would say that the less people who buy would lower prices...

er... end of my mini-rant, I guess.

Well then, I found a better one.

Hint is, its near a gate, but that gate isnt a town, so your going to have to live with the 60 DP.

i agree. keep these nice things to yourself. if other's arent cunning or lucky enough to find or notice farmable areas, then let them be.

I agree with Exploding Flowers, except that sometimes it's nice to help people make money, just make sure that they keep the secret relatively contained .

...ok, end of post...

Thats why there is a thing called private messages on the forum. Anet probley looks at the forum alot to find out stuff like this. I posted the picture earlier cause I know most people know about it since thats where all the bots are and its soon to be patched anyway.

anyone got any further info about this spot outside destinys gorge? was just poking around there and found some wreckage south from town, through a bunch of hydras in The Scar zone.... but thus far all it has dropped is gold.

there are 2 exits from destinys gorge, leading to 2 different zones. if anyone knows which one it is, i would be most appreciative for some more precise directiosn, easy to miss something like that out in all that sand

i've been doing grotto and is good i never thought about chest farming.. if u want the location pm me and also if u know any more spots pm me please thanks!

Chests/wreckage should be randomally placed each time you zone.

sometimes they are kinda in newby world this 1 barrel would move about 15 30 feet each time lol

grotto perhaps has already been nerfed a bit? i think im on 10 runs now, both chests, with only a handful of blues to show for it, nothing purple or gold..... good salvage/sale items i suppose.... but nothing much actually useable.

Do the divinity coast runs. If you need me to make a picture I will. Its uber good spot. Will gain you tons of purples and some golds.

Dont post it on the forums, if it is really that good then, PM i to ppl (like me), dont let them know what to nerf

Its already been revealed on the forums as someone said something earlier but ill hook you up through pm.

Thz for that, I have need for gold, o such a need I have!!!

Well "gold" is what youll get, items that is but not much money unless you find a gold item that is worth alot. If you want money, refer to my seeker's passage picture on page one.

To all you people who think its fun to flame people,
I am not like the guy who started the thread on the Augry Rock exploit because that was clearly an exploit that needed to be dealt with, chest farming is not unless you do it repetedly for hours or do it with bots, neither of which I do. Your anger over that only seems to sugest you used it yourself and your annoyed that it got stoped.
And for all the people who are angry that the spots are going to get nerfed, I never once sayed on this or any other thread the location I went to, I told about 4 people over PM, and thats it. Infact I specifically said I wont disclose the location so it doesnt get nerfed. And it doesnt even matter if anything gets "nerfed" because Anet are going to be fixing the need for farming, so you lot shouldnt even be slightly bothered about it.
And Slade xTekno, btw, i was not talking about the chest you mentioned, and I have already /bug ed it myself as it was cleary a huge spot for bot users.

I know of a chest spot. that is super lucrative. not mentioned here either.

I average 1K for every minute of chest farming.

These chests only drop items, which I then sell so say another 30 minutes to sell them cheap and that 500g a minute. still rather pleasing!

as no one has mentioned it, I think I will keep it to myself unless you can "convince" me to share it with you *hint* *hint*

At this rate they should remove chests from the game altogether. The way I see it, they put them in as a decent boost to party loot in an area, a treasure trove to fight towards. Not as free money runs you do on your own over and over again. Abusing chests is just that: abuse.

Just because you abuse it less than someone else or a bot doesn't make it less of a problem: the entire economy suffers from abuseable spots like this. If you've got more money than you know what to do with, you won't mind paying 50k for some item offered by another player that you want. That means that someone just doing quests and missions, who only has 5k to spend for such an item, will be left with no options but to start abusing chests as well so he can cough up 50k too: by hurrying along inflation, you force everyone else to either give up on the economy or to resort to the same sort of abuse you used to amass your wealth.

Then finally prices will be so damn high that only the people who abuse chests continually with bots will be able to afford anything, and what happens? Everyone else is forced to use bots to compete, and the entire economy goes straight to hell like it did in Diablo II. But ofcourse nobody thinks about the consequences of their actions as long as they can get away with it.

If you care about this game, report those easy money making spots to ArenaNet. If you only care about yourself, like those botters, keep it up with secretive chest runs, but know that you are responsible for what happens to the game.

actually, I think I help the aconomy, I dont ever buy stupidly priced items, and I sell everything I get extremely cheap (because I still make money from it)

such as I sell +27 and above mods for 5-10K not 20-80K

that cant be BAD for the economy, as people selling them higher when im around dont get the sale.

I agree completly with what you said Silmor.
Fair enough I did chest farm so I could afford to get some gauntlets, but when you get to a certain point, there arnt really that many options for making money, unless you want to do missions over and over, which would technicly be farming, or try to buy and sell goods which is hard to do unless you invest allot of time into it.
But Anet are solving these problem by making money easier to come by with out farming, and I hope they do this soon, I know from what iv said it seems like I am some sort of scammer, or constant farmer that looks for game flaws, but im not, as soon as I found the chest I farmed, I reported it along with any others I used. But for most people there arnt any other clear ways make money, so i think you should give people some slack. Or at least untill the next patch.

Paladin_Adoni: doesn't matter if you try your best to 'help' the economy. As long as those abusive chest spots aren't reported to be taken care of, for every person with good intention that tries to help the economy, there's going to be ten that will happily do whatever they want with their massive wealth. Net result of you not reporting the spot: economy still goes to hell.

This game involves more people than just you.

thats why I dont tell people. and I never said that the game involved just me. I also tell anet about alot of these things all the time. thats right, I get YOU nerfed. flame me all you want!

they havent nerfed the one I do which is nice though

Stop the flaming, share the love. Here is the divinity coast picture for everyone since im sure you guys already sent in a bug report screwing it all up for us.



The barrel is around that location. Drops purples every 1-2 runs and gold every 5-10 runs if not more.

Sorry for the double post but I may have stumbled on another alright drop location. Ive only tried it 3 times but I got 1 blue and 2 purples. Its for lower lvls only and its in northern shiverpeak. The run takes a min each. The item drops are for lvls 10-14. If your around that lvl and would like to know the location of this good chest, pm me.

Silmor, I can't agree with much of what you said. You sound like you're actually from A.Net here to collect information and dicourage people like us from making money because some newb who doesn't have money complains that "everyone else farms and has so much more money than me." Live and let live, my friend. Let us do our thing, and we'll let you do yours.

Chests/barrels should not be removed from the game simply because people are running to them. If what you're saying is true about how we should get rid of chests because people are "abusing" them by making runs to them, then I suppose we should remove monsters from the game too, just in case some people are doing runs on them... Scandalous! *Gasp* *Shock*

i think chest should not be removed becaouse now that farming has been nerfed lower players barely coming in see all the outrages prices in ascalon and first thing they think of is finding gold, so in sense farming is a natural thing in any game, we seek to be of the elite and hav tons of cash so we stand out.

DaRhino, killing monsters actually involves your character, actually involves playing the game. Running from chest to chest purely to pick up gold, then to run back to town without as much as touching a monster can be done on any character; it's reaping the rewards for efforts you didn't invest.

It's interesting you're portraying ArenaNet as the 'enemy' here. This isn't a covert hideout where people scheme against the evil oppression of ArenaNet, this is a forum where people share their opinions on a game they enjoy. It is in our collective interest to help ArenaNet make Guild Wars as good a game as they can, some will do that by pointing out exploits, some will do it by harsh criticism (which can be a lot more valuable than blind praise), but trying to defend what little way you found to get yourself ahead of everyone else is just selfish and bad for the game.

People will always complain, but if they need to do chest runs in order to afford anything on the market, which is an inevitable situation if this is left unchecked, aren't 'newbs' entirely justified in their complaints? By pumping mass amounts of gold into the economy, chest runners are forcing others to play the game in their specific way. "Live and let live" you say, but your words go directly against what you're defending.

XENOGEARSHARINGAN's post shows it quite clearly. Prices are very high, so what solution does he propose for those people left out because they don't do chest runs? They should be allowed to do chest runs!

The prevailing sentiment here seems to be "what's best for me" instead of "what's best for the game", and although that's a natural reaction for most people, it's rather disappointing and disheartening.

My "portraying A.Net as the enemy" was not intended.

And in response to the third paragraph...
"Newbs" are perfectly entitled to go chest running also, but that doesn't mean that they have to. I actually feel that I contribute to lowering prices in the economy, because bringing in more of a certain type of weapon just lowers the demand for it.

I'd also like an example of how we are forcing people to play the game our way... People are allowed to play the game any way they choose to do it, we choose our way, you choose your way, that's what I meant.

Example.
A player finds an insightful staff head, energy +5, in a mission. The salvage succeeds, and the player heads off to Lion's Arch to sell it. A chest farmer and a non-chest farmer both spot the offer, the chest farmer offers 50k out of his/her 750k bank account (ready to offer 75k or 100k if outbid, it's a good item and it'll only take a few hours to earn back), the non-chest farmer offers 10k which is all he/she can spare. The seller will ofcourse sell to the chest farmer, politely informing the non-chest farmer that someone else offered 50k.

After a couple of such disappointments, the non-chest farmer will wonder what the heck he/she is doing wrong. He/she is helping friends do missions and quests, has almost done all the missions him/herself, and wonders if perhaps buying that 1.5k armour set wasn't such a good idea after all.

Then he/she logs onto this forum, reads this thread and learns about the hot chest runs. Two options lie open for him/her: keep doing with what he/she's been doing, and continue to be denied participation in the player economy for the simple reason of having less than 10% of the spending power of chest farmers, or start repetitively looting chests which ArenaNet didn't nerf yet and start to outbid the non-chest farmers like it happened to him/her.

'Forcing' may not be entirely correct, but chest farmers are actively denying participation in a part of the game (the economy) with chest runs. People who don't want to do these chest runs might be able to find a +5 energy insightful staff head themselves, but unless they give in and do chest runs as well they won't be able to acquire it from a fellow player.


The fact that these chest runs require so little skill or effort that even a bot can perform them just makes things worse: non-chest farmers don't stand a chance against their ways of amassing wealth, and eventually regular chest farmers will get frustrated having to do chest runs for 4 hours in order to be able to offer the sort of money a botting chest farmer can offer for an item they both want (with the bot farmer sleeping, watching TV, having fun with his friends, whatever while they stare at their monitor doing repetitive work), and will either quit the economy, quit the game or start running bots as well.

'Oh, everybody else does it' is the usual excuse for people running bots. 'you can't really compete if you don't run them'.

Entire MMORPGs have become like this (Ragnarok Online is a sad example of that), and I'd really like a game like Guild Wars to stay free of this nonsense.

Silmor, I totally agree with you that Guild Wars better never become a bot-overrun game. But, going back to the story about the chest/non-chest farmers... Why would the chest farmer be looking for an Insightful Staff Head in the first place? If they've earned 750k like you said, surely they've run into their fair share of Insightful Staff Heads with +5 Energy. Chest farmers are more apt to be able to fend for themselves because of the items they already have and don't need to buy from other players.

I for one sell the items that I get for MUCH lower than is the suggested retail price (for lack of a better term ). I also donate nice items to my guild members, and even random people on the street every once in a while.

In these ways, I feel I am contributing to the lowering of prices, and the availability of nice items to the less fortunate of us.

Thats all well and good DaRhino, but I think there are a very few number of farmers that have the same selfless view that you say you do, and I highly doubt the few that do will make any difference to the game ecconomy. Although I dont think people have that much choice when it comes to money making, I think what you described Silmor has already happened, and there isnt much people can do about it, it is something that ruins the game and shouldn't happen but it does and will, unless either EVERYONE who farms is persuaded not to, or Anet comes up with a great solution.

The issue with having 750k in the bank and nothing to really spend it on is that you start to care less about your purchases. Sure you could've gotten your fair share of insightful staff heads already, but one passes by and you consider picking it up for that 4th slot mesmer you were thinking about making one day. What's 50k anyway. The other guy's need might be much higher, but your money talks. Ofcourse you could argue that not having any way to spend 750k is ArenaNet's fault for not implementing more money sinks, but if they put in money sinks that can remove the sort of money chest farmers make in an hour, that basically means -only- chest farmers can ever get the fun out of those money sinks, because nobody else will be able to afford them.

I understand that you're a nice guy, eager to help out others, not looking purely for profit over the backs of others. If the chest farmer population was purely made up out of your breed, we probably wouldn't be in the situation we are now. Unfortunately ArenaNet has to face the lowest common denominator when it comes to addressing issues, and I can assure you that not everyone is as nice as you are (a pleasant quote someone relayed to me: "You've only got 60k? I wipe my **s with 60k").

So if 9 out of 10 chest farmers are either botters or just plain unethical/selfish/uncaring people, who transform GW's economy into something that suits only them, something will need to be done that negatively affects all 10 of those chest farmers, regardless of how nice and ethical you are. And if 10 out of 100 Guild Wars players are chest farmers, that would mean ArenaNet does something good for 90 out of 100 players, so it's a pretty logical move all in all. ArenaNet has already shown it doesn't appreciate the chest runs by nerfing or removing many of them so far, but if people keep seeking out the ones that aren't nerfed/removed, you can bet they'll be gone entirely eventually.

Well, I've run quite a few barrel runs, and got a fair few rare items from it. And you know what? It's not because I'm unethical/selfish/uncaring. I don't bot. I just simply love the feeling of seeing, "Opening the barrel have revealed a rare _______, which your party has reserved for Teh Uberleet Haxxor. Oh sure, I love unlocking that +5 energy head after all these weeks, or that 4:1 vampiric string or 20% longer enchantment wrapping. But I usually donate the rares to guild members, or sell them to the merchant.

I agree as far as the 9/10 are morons.

most people you meet who know me in game will tell you Im friendly and always willing to help.

I dont spend all day farming, infact I dont even have 50K in total. I have finished all the missions, and most of the quests, and I am still greatly lacking money to buy granite citidel armor. If I go out to kill monsters, they very, VERY quickly stop droping items half the time. so the only option left is to find chests that I can get stuff from, because the chests never stop dropping stuff.

its sad that arenanet has changed the gameplay so much that the only choices for making money in this game is to kill each type of enemy in the game one-mob-at-a-time or farm chests for items to sell to players.

lets just all hope that after this new patch, they will release a similar sized PvE update addressing some of the gold sink issues for those with too much gold and ways to gain enough gold and/or items so that people dont feel they need to take these actions just to get what they want.

I mean, I used to be happy roaming the landscape killing everything to get gold/items. but now all too quickly I stop getting drops (apparently thats extreme farming tactics)

I can't get gold, because I can't farm. I can't even get to these good chests. Why? I have a monk! And a healing monk, not a smiting monk with that Godly farming technique. =(

Thanks for the compliment.

I just wonder what ArenaNet was thinking when they implemented the chests/wreckages/barrels then. Surely they would have foreseen people doing this in their plans? Perhaps not.

If we were to remove the chests/wreckages/barrels from all gameplay, and the amount of money between well-off people and poorer people decreased, we would be living in a sort of Commune (i.e. communism) . Not essentially a Commune, but more the monetary workings of one. People's monetary differences would be extremely minimal, save for the people who would win a lot of HoH's and therefore sell the sigils.

I feel that to replicate a working economy, there have to be different "castes" if you will. Not saying that people are designated to be rich or poor, just that there are rich and poorer people.

Bah, I'm probably just ranting, but I know that if the act of farming, or the lack of need therefore to farm, was removed from Guild Wars, I wouldn't enjoy it as much. But then again, some people may enjoy it more. I think it's a relatively touchy subject, and really depends on who you talk to. I know that the only person I am talking for is myself, not like I have the authority to talk for anyone else...

Silmor, you have been an extremely interesting person to debate with.