So what happened to 6 x 100% content math

Uhm Faction PvE char cant access mission previous to LA and Prophecies char can't access the island.

Uhm yea 6 x 100% huh.

Lets hear the defense on this one.

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btw i think you can still do PvE quest and mission(havent tried) with Factions toons that come to Tyria.

tbh everything prior to lions arch sucks and is mind numbingly easy. and you can get ASCENDED prophecies characters to Factions.

My Tyrian char got to the noob island just fine. I'm having no issues at all.

I think what the OP means is that prophecies characters that travel to the Island where new Cantha toons are born are not able to do the 2 co-op missions on the starting Island.

So far my Cantha toon travelled back from LA to ascolon and have been able to access quest but havent tried to access mission but i dont think they cant access them, will have to check on that. I hate buying skills hence travelling back to Tyria to get the skill quest is a good way for me to reduce on my expenditure on skills which i otherwise will have to buy in Cantha.

The story arc doesnt make sence to do mission before LA, you cant go back in time. You also have access to skills. You can still go to ascalon you just cant do quests that dont chronologically make sence.

You guys are missing the point. No matter if you think the quests are boring but Gaile (calling you out again) made that silly math about Factions and merging accounts.

At this stage i care less about the story than to get skills for my character, i will have to check if my Cantha toon can do the skill quest around ascolon and the missions like Northern Wall or Naloni for example just for fun. But back to presearing isnt what i think the issue is about.

Last i checked you couldnt got back to pre-searing on a regular account anyway.

Think of it this way. Each character has access to 100% of the game.

If you choose tyria, your first 20% is Ascalon to LA.
If you choose cantha, your first 20% is the Jing Shea area.

Now.....

Once you have used up 20%, how can you say that it was deprived from you?

Actually, OP is correct.

The 6x100 was advertised in that all 6 characters would have access to 100% of the content. Meaning 100% from both. Obviously excluding Pre-Sear.

However, Tyrians can't access most areas on the Shing Jea Island. That's a minus content%.

Canthans can't access missions pre-Lion's Arch, so I hear. That's a minus contect%.

So, merging accounts, no single character gets 100% content. Maybe 90% if Tyrian, and 75-80% if Canthan.

All I want is to get my 100% exploration title for Cantha. I hope it doesn't involve the areas that I can't get to. :<

If it's a Tyrian character, don't bother with the title.

I am going to have to remember that quote. Great one!

Yup, I had to find out the hard way. Found a player doing the "A Formal Introduction" quest because I thought if I tagged along, I would be able to get in the blocked area (Minister Cho's Estate), but nope. The party separated and I was stuck outside.

With a growing dissapointment in Factions, the bad is tipping the scale outweighing the good. I'm going to play these last days of the extended head start before making a more concrete conclusion. With all the 'mistakes', and 'lack of action' from ANET, they are starting to manifest, in my mind, to being this leeching creature that just wants our money. Not telling us certain things, misleading us, glitches, etc. I'm not one to be totally one-sided; I know they extended their helping hand out and extended the 'head-start' event due to the CE delay, and probably have done a many other good, postive things, but I can't shake the feeling of deceptiveness in every action. (Little petty things they add in-game, to "extend" the content. Hidden gold sinks. )

Who cares about the story?

To me and a lot of players, what doesn't make sense is to deny the characters of people who own both games full access to both games with all their characters.

It is especially bad since it denies the ability to get some titles with those characters.

Definitely high on the list of "Reasons why Factions is not a good buy" in my view.

I beat the game with an unascended character once. Then I went back and ascended, then started completing the missions backwards.

The story already doesn't make sense, time-wise. Allowing Factions characters to participate in the Ascalon part wouldn't make it any worse.

Woah, calling other forum members iliterate, weak minded, dumb and laughable when we are discussing valid issues about access to content for those who link both their chapters and more specifically how it may affect some title mechanics.

I didnt realise trolling could take such an elegant form these days.

All six character SLOTS have the potential to reach 100% of the content. This means you have six slots to use for any content you choose. That doesn't mean that one character can do everything, but has the potential to do ANYTHIGN

The only thing that bugs me is that I can't complete the titles for my Tyrian character in Cantha.

Maybe if they introduced a different title for Tyrians in Cantha, with reduced requirements to better match what is actually available to them, then it wouldn't bug me so much. I honestly don't care that my l33t Ranger of Barraging doom can't go into the newbie missions and own them like I know he would, those missions are there to aid in player training. But, it is disquieting that I'll end up with an 11/13 Canthan missions completed with him, and knowing that I'll never ever be able to max it out for the last 2, thus being denied that title permanently.

I fail to see why Canthan chars dont have acces to the pre-Lions Arch missions? All you need to do is take the explorable area's around them to back track.
May seem like too much work, but it would add to your explorer title.

dont have factions yet, so im a little confused. i realize that with a combined acct, any chars started in cantha go to LA when they get to tyria.

its probably possible to run backwards to all the towns, but is the OP saying that none of the MISSIONS are available ...thus preventing any canthan character from ever clearing the whole tyrian map?

i can understand not having to/being able to do the crappy little quests from ascalon to LA (even though i would like to be able to for the skills gained), but not letting a char even attempt a mission is VERY much denying it access to 100% of tyria, which is totally in opposition to what all of us were led to believe with the "6 x 100%" promise. i mean honestly, theres enough lvl 20s doing the early missions anyway so why would it matter? (FYI - completing the missions after reaching lvl 20 actually gives a character a slight edge with skill points)

guess im going to pass on factions for a while longer. this doesnt sound good to me. plus, until i get more storage, i dont have any more frickin room to store new weapons, armor, etc, etc.

canthan chars can access tyrian missions, when i was doing Bloodstone fen, i had an assassin with me.

It may not make sense in the story to do missions previous to LA witha Factions man, but have any of you ever paid attention to how pretty messed up the story is.

I always seem to end up pummeling white mantle before I'm told they are naughty because of the way I do missions / quests.

And also Mhenlo when moving a Propheices character to Factrions goes on and on about how he misses his friends he group up with and where he was born....

Now move a factions character to Tyria, Mhenlo goes on and on about how hw was born in Ascalon.

I seriously dont thinkAnet gives a flying wotsit about the story. I feel very hard done to over not being able to finish all content with factions char in tyria, and vice versa.

There is no reason a Tyria character cannot do the first 2 canthan missions, since they an get there as all this stuff is happeneing they should be able to help.

6x100% my bottom, its impossible to do 100% of the game with any one character

The OP and other posters were referring to missions prior to Lions Arch I think Rex. Bloodstone is after you reach there.

The 2 slots didnt even have to be explained....they are bonus slots for buying factions...BONUS....an incentive for buying Factions.

Alot of games wouldn't give you anything more than content when adding in new keys. They atleast tryed to give you some extras like more slots with it...and people took it and want even more.

Give you a dollar and it isn't enough, you need 20 dollars >_>

People are trying to make money off me! argh! they must be evil!!

>.< I want everything i can get for absolutely the littlest cost possible. I'm not willing to pay extra to support a company i like!

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Face it ladies and gentlemen (and you other possible creatures here o.o), Video games are big business.

The 6 x 100% vs the 8 x 50% is a wonderful concept. I thought it was simple and direct.

It is true that Anet is trying to make money. Thats a fact. The analogy is their concept and I like to defend it, because it makes sense in their business model and how they've implemented GW originally.

I'm gonna tell you a little story. I work for a business. We are a middleman company. We have clients who are wholesalers in the US and we have factories overseas.

We make our money through our clients. We take the cheap stuff we get from our overseas factories and put surcharges, handling fees, etc.

Thats how we make money. Our clients then put their surcharges and their fees and their markups on the products and sell it to retailers.

Those retailers sell to you.

Our wholesaler costumers buy through us because we offer good costumer service. We know what our clients want and we make sure our factories deliver.

Sure they can buy directly from the factories. Then they dont have to pay us. But...thats more of a headache for them, because we are used to dealing with all these overseas factories, shipments and orders.

Anet is not being dishonest. If they told you to your face "We want to milk you for every cent you're worth", then why would you buy from them? But thats what they want to do.

This is business folks. As a consumer, you need to understand that businesses spend a LOT of money to try to keep their consumers happy, while making money. Its a give and take. They can only give so much without cutting into their profit.



I like to think of car salesmen. They want to make the most money out of you and you want to pay the least amount possible for the car. Its a very cutthroat situation. If the saleman doesnt make enough markup on the car, then they arent making money, and he'll be fired. Meanwhile...you dont wanna pay that huge monthly payment, because its a lot of money.


I feel that Anet's business model does allow them to make money by not allowing us to have all the slots we want. They force us to buy more accounts, or more slots, or more games, to get exactly what we want.

I dont see why people find this so "evil", or deceitful.

edit: Oh dont forget all those shipping companies, they make money off you too!

Actually, I suggested the idea of paying for slots since the day Gaile announced 2 slots.

What I really object to is the poor PR and the silly $10 price for a slot. Should have been straightforward and $5

Wait! That bit about Santa, what are you saying?

I know that the math seems a little funky, but you're not really getting screwed over on this. If you buy both games, you have access to 100% of both games and you get exactly what you pay for and exactly what is advertised.

The problem here that is causing confusion is that "I didn't get 100% of what I bought" is not what's happening. What's happening is that individual characters cannot access 100% of what I bought.

Sorry, chums, but this is not new. If you only ever play a Wammo, you're missing out on a large number of quests. It's not that those quests aren't there, it's that they aren't there for that character.

I realize that this isn't going to clarify it for a lot of people, but you're just going to have to trust that you're not getting ripped off on this. The math is perfectly fine, what's happening is that you're confusing absolute amounts with percentages.

It's just a consistency enforcement. You may not agree with it, but it's really just a natural extension of what was already in the game. You can't play inconsistent missions with a Canthan and you can't do ranger quests unless you're a ranger. Nothing funky about it.

Now, on a personal level, I don't see why the felt the need to introduce this new mission-level consistency enforcement. As I've pointed out before, I actually wound up doing the entire flight from Ascalon backwards the first by mistake because I ran myself to Yak's bend thinking that was what I was supposed to do instead of following the missions. I came from Lion's Arch back to Nolani, to Ranik, to North Wall. Personally, it didn't decrease my experience any to have that happen.

Your argument has the appearance of being crafted by an intellectual, but it has the actual substance provided by a pseudo-intellect.

While Gaile may have been rhetorical in her analogy of "6 x100%" she's still bound by her statements. She's the voice of ANet and in essence a de facto extension of their marketing department. Your superior intellect must have allowed you to forsee that some people would take Gaile at her word. This would have been especially true after all the 8 unmerged vs. 6 merged debates that had taken place. If people were to settle for 6 merged slots then they certainly wanted the "6*100%" statement to be true.

The OP is correct. A Tyrian character doesn't have access to significant portions the Canthan map, and a Canthan character is in the same boat in Tyria. So for you to attack the OP rather than chastise Gaile for not getting her marketing information correct says a lot more about your reading comprehension than it says about anything else.

Also has been discussed here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3022539
There more topics, the better, the more chance Anet will do something about it

Kaineing center, chaos in krtya quest, i got my ritualist to seaboard and im trying to ascned and infuse my armor

Well first off since Content % is a very vague concept it would just be somewhat confusing and random for them to advertise that by merging you get (3 x 80% + 3 x 75%) or (2 x 80% + 4 x 75%) or some other random-ass combo. This seems like major griefing to me. It seems like you guys must've searched far and wide for something, anything, that you could possibly complain about with Factions and finally, when you realized the game is so dang awesome that there's not much to complain about, (cept storage: **Your inventory is full.** NOOOOOO!!!! ) you had to settle with complaining about Anet's -->simplistic<-- explanation of how much content you'll recieve. Simplistic is usually a good thing when you're explaning something to the masses, and I think here it was a good thing. Anyway I really don't understand why it bothers you so much that you can't do a couple missions meant for low lvl noob chars. And can I get a confirm or deny that you can't take a Tyrian back to Ascalon. I don't recall any gate guards in Tyria.

@ Melech Ric. What are these other "significant" portions of the map that Tyrians can't get to? The only place that I know of that a Tyrian can't get to would be the "Vizung Square (Local Quarter)", which isn't a problem because Tyrians go to the "Vizung Square (Foreign Quarter)" to do the same mission. Other than that there are just a few tiny zones on the island and of course the tiny tiny area of the dojo where you get your "insignia" as a Canthan char.

Kaineing center, chaos in krtya quest, i got my ritualist to seaboard and im trying to ascned and infuse my armor

And it all comes down to "Lets blame Gaile Grey doesn't it?

She's the voice and face of ArenaNet. They tell her what to do, she's gotta make it sound good. If anyone actually beleived she thought it was a good idea, you'll fall for anything. It was blatently obvious that this fuzzy math concept didn't sit well with her either, not that she'll admit it.

I have to go with Thom on this one, although perhaps not in my abrasive style. I do believe the original quote was rhetorical and was just a way for her to explain things simply without going into the exceptions involved. Then again it could just as easily be something that happened during the development process. You can say cognitive dissonance all you want but that's a cop out when there is an utter dearth of information regarding this. The bottom line is we don't know why certain missions aren't accessible. No one but the developers know that. There are a variety of possible reasons why the math doesn't work out correctly. Still I think this is just another instance of the Hungry Ghost rearing it's ugly head again. I've just accepted the game for what it is and I'm enjoying it a lot more. I'm not worried about the hour of missions I'm missing from Ascalon nor am I worried about missing out on the kind of aggravating beginners content in Sea Jing. I'm not even worried about the elite missions that I know I'll never see. I'm just having fun my way, coming up with new builds, testing them, tweaking them and all that jazz. It seems to me a lot of this bone of contention centers on the inability to get certain vanity features like titles and what have you. It's not a necessity to have those, it's a desire and it is your desire for these things you cannot obtain that makes you unhappy. Accept things the way they are and you will find that you will be much happier.

There's a problem when something is implemented and it is impossible to obtain it. Okay, so they lied about the fuzzy math thing, that doesn't really matter. What matters is putting content in that is meant for your chars, yet is unobtainable.

It's like putting the final mission up and making Shiro invincible and he kills the entire team instantly before you get into radar range, then putting up the greens trader, and giving you the amulet. ONLY if you beat Shiro though.

Hmm... so each character no matter where it's created has 100% access to all the content provided? You're wrong about that, and you're sidestepping the original Gaile quote of "6 * 100%."

Another ANet apologist. Oh my... they do abound around here.

Do you mean the professional quest? If so, you could switch your second prof after ascension and go back to do those.

Agreed, switch your second profession and they will be available to you.

Only up to Yak's bend. Plus you are missing the second trainers for professions you dont choose in Pre-sear.

Self quoting is for losers...but i feel like i must reiterate my point since no one seemed to notice it the first time.

I don't know if we didn't notice your point Lyra, or just found it confusing. I know you didn't mean this, but it looks like you said the game has 120% content and we should decide which 100% of that to play.

Ignoring the math, every character potentially has access to all of the content. Certain decisions, like being born in Cantha or joining the Luxon faction may temporarily or permanently limit access to some of that content. Why is this considered unusual? Seems to me that I've played dozens of RPGs where my character made decisions that blocked out parts of the content for that character. As perhaps the most obvious parallel, would you roll a Horde character in World of Warcraft and then complain when the expansion came out and you couldn't do the new Alliance quests?