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Trin Storm

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Balthazar's Fury

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04 May 2006 at 18:01 - 241

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Originally Posted by felinette

Trin, I'd rather they go completely PvP in chapter 3 than say, "Don't worry, we're taking care of you PvE players," and then release chapter 3 with crap PvE that's only there in the hope that PvE players will be foolish enough to hand over another $50. There are plenty of other games to spend that $50 on...and there's always Prophecies...

True - very true.

I read:

Quote:

Can't you appreciate the work they've done, or go to another PvE specific game?

And my response - I greatly appricated what they did in prophecies. Problem is the seem to have undone a lot of what I appricated with the factions release. Many of the things that drew me to this game - seem to be scraped in some strange attempt by Anet to glom everyone into mega guild alliances and make PvP their primary focus of play. Basically they took a product I loved and made it less fun in a lot of aspects. Cutting of parts of the PvE game to only those that are A) hard core faction farmers and B) Have the most peopel they can band together is not my idea of fun.

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

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04 May 2006 at 18:02 - 242

Well, there are a couple of ways in which this will play out, but one is probably worth considering. The controlling alliance will have the opportunity to farm Urgoz and Deep and make tons of money on items. However, it's hard work. Running those missions will take about 3 hours or so, and the bosses are nasty business. Anyway, what is likely to happen is a number of members of the top alliance will realize they can make money easier and with far less trouble just charging for access to these elite areas. Eventually the price for admission will converge, likely to something that will make these areas the equivalent of FoW or UW considering those cost 1 plat to enter as well.

It will take a bit of time for this, but I think it can happen.

Yes, I find it hard to come up with a satisfactory answer when someone asks why is it that out of 15 missions in Factions, 2 are technically accessible to *such* a low percentage of players. But, depending on how things turn out in the coming weeks, it might not be quite as bad a situation as it seems. If nothing else works, RP your way about it. In the world of Cantha, there is a very powerful alliance that controls access to the best areas. What would your character do about it, if anything? And if you feel he can't do anything, well, that's Canthan life ^_^ come to grips with it and move on. Do what you can.

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

04 May 2006 at 18:02 - 243

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

why am i not allowed into hall of heros. i have paid for it yet i dont have time to get there so why not let me into it.

I'm not up on PvP, so I don't know what the requirement is to get into the Hall of Heroes. But you're missing the point. I don't expect to be able to access the last mission in the game before doing the others because I don't have time to do the others. That would be unreasonable. But if I do all of the others and reach the area with the last mission of the game, then I should be allowed to do the last mission. If I reach an area with an elite mission, I should be allowed to do the mission. Asking me to do other things, like farm, join a certain guild, kiss someone's ass, etc., don't have anything to do with skill. Make it difficult to get to the elite mission areas so that skill is key--once there, the area is on your map and you can do it anytime.

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

04 May 2006 at 18:06 - 244

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

why am i not allowed into hall of heros. i have paid for it yet i dont have time to get there so why not let me into it.

I've halls skipped on ACCIDENT before. Even without that, if you get a team with SKILL, you can get there in like, say, a few hours at MOST. There is no way in hell that I could find seven other skilled people and get access to elite missions in a couple hours.

Just let me repeat myself again.

Someone please point out to me the part where Anet said they were going to introduce forced grind for access to content.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 May 2006 at 18:09 - 245

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Originally Posted by felinette

I'm not up on PvP, so I don't know what the requirement is to get into the Hall of Heroes. But you're missing the point. I don't expect to be able to access the last mission in the game before doing the others because I don't have time to do the others. That would be unreasonable. But if I do all of the others and reach the area with the last mission of the game, then I should be allowed to do the last mission. If I reach an area with an elite mission, I should be allowed to do the mission. Asking me to do other things, like farm, join a certain guild, kiss someone's ass, etc., don't have anything to do with skill. Make it difficult to get to the elite mission areas so that skill is key--once there, the area is on your map and you can do it anytime.

you all dont understand. you all argue that you have paid for the elite area which automaically qulaifies you for access to it. i could argue i have paid for hoh and i should be allowed there even if i do not try. in order to reach the elite mission area you actually have to try O.o same with hoh to reach it and win you have to actually try and work hard. the pvpers get there special capes, hoh chests etc as rewards for doing well. the pve'ers get the elite mission areas as a reward for hard work.

you say you dont want to work hard or put effort into getting to the area then why do you deserve it? because you paid for it? paying for something does not mean you have special rights to be able to access anything you want. maybe we should all start demanding fow armor for eveyone as grinding for it is soooo wrong.

vtrajan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

N/A

Mo/E

04 May 2006 at 18:10 - 246

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

How does anything they do qualify as abuse? The only reason they could make money would be that other people wanted to give it to them.

Well said.

I also believe people are not realizing we and the other alliances holding/fighting for HzH are -not- interested in making a measely 50-250k just to make a party to die within 30 seconds or 3 hours.
I don't give a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO if they pay me 50k each, I still wouldn't take them with me just to fail.
If alliances are as big as you suggest, then you would have no problem finding someone to always beat the current guys price. I offer 50k, another guy pm's me saying he'll do it for 40k, then I pm another guy who says he'll do it for 35k...
With a purported 1000 people it's likely you could get in for 100 gold or free!
Waste of my time. I'm interested in this mission because I enjoy the challenge and it's pretty fun. We have a lot of top tier players that do it, and we're still challenged.

This is getting out of hand. Do you also object to paying 1k to enter FoW and UW?
Damn..what if you have no money because you don't farm or play the game very much at all?? You're denied access OMG! Nerf! change it! gogo anet heed my beck and call!

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

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04 May 2006 at 18:12 - 247

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

in order to reach the elite mission area you actually have to try O.o same with hoh to reach it and win you have to actually try and work hard.

We don't mind trying in a way that's fun and requires skill. Read what people are saying... and read the last line of the post you responded to...

unienaule

I dunt even get "Retired"

Join Date: Aug 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

04 May 2006 at 18:12 - 248

Herbalizer,
What kind of maps do you play to get into HoH? What kind of a map is HoH? What kind of maps do you have to grind to get into elite missions? What kinds of maps are the elite missions?

For the sake of speeding things up, here are the answers:
1) You play PvP maps to get in.
2) HoH is a PvP map.
3) You are forced into grinding PvP missions.
4) They are PvE missions.

Yet another totally inappropriate analogy, compliments of The Herbalizer.

Posts from both sides that say things like "Stop your crying, babies," "you all suck at GW anyway," etc, get deleted.

Macktar Wang

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

04 May 2006 at 18:13 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

you all dont understand. you all argue that you have paid for the elite area which automaically qulaifies you for access to it. i could argue i have paid for hoh and i should be allowed there even if i do not try. in order to reach the elite mission area you actually have to try O.o same with hoh to reach it and win you have to actually try and work hard. the pvpers get there special capes, hoh chests etc as rewards for doing well. the pve'ers get the elite mission areas as a reward for hard work.

you say you dont want to work hard or put effort into getting to the area then why do you deserve it? because you paid for it? paying for something does not mean you have special rights to be able to access anything you want.

What is HoH? Is it PvP or PvE? PvP is competition against others. Therefore, you advance by winning. PvE is competition agains the gaming environment. I paid to play a PvE game that didn't involve direct competition with other gamers (or should I call them farmers).

Should the elite missions have a special requirement to gain access? Of course they should. Should I be locked out because I won't leave my small guild for an UBER Faction Farming guild, or kiss up/bribe whoever is holding the cities? I didn't pay for that, so no. Leave the competition to the PvP arenas and out of the PvE world.

Lasher Dragon

Draconic Rage Incarnate

Join Date: Apr 2005

Iowa

Alphahive

R/A

04 May 2006 at 18:18 - 250

It's pretty simple really. Flame and get your post deleted. Respond to flames by quoting them and/or flaming back and get your post deleted.

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

04 May 2006 at 18:19 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by unienaule

Herbalizer,
What kind of maps do you play to get into HoH? What kind of a map is HoH? What kind of maps do you have to grind to get into elite missions? What kinds of maps are the elite missions?

For the sake of speeding things up, here are the answers:
1) You play PvP maps to get in.
2) HoH is a PvP map.
3) You are forced into grinding PvP missions.
4) They are PvE missions.

Thank you for yet another totally inappropriate analogy.

Oh yeah, posts from both sides that say things like "Stop your crying, babies," get deleted.

unienaule, it's fairly obvious you don't know what you're talking about. The players who are powergaming PvE right now to take control of HZH are farming the PVE mission called amatz basin. How is that remotely related to PvP?

As far as the people complaining that Arenanet is forcing them to have a certain amount of players in their alliance, of course the teams with the max amount of players allowed will do better. They have to set a limit, no matter how arbitrarily, and if you can meet it you'll be better off than people who can't. You complain that you and your 10 RL buddies can't viably compete for these elite missions....did you complain that you and your 5 RL buddies couldn't GvG at the top levels? That Arenanet was "forcing" you to join another guild to field 8 players?

pigdestroyer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

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04 May 2006 at 18:19 - 252

I can foresee

"Top Alliance Recruiting

200k invite per guild!"

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

W/

04 May 2006 at 18:20 - 253

Re-read my above post guys, before you go all-out about how it's *forced* grind. It's not, at least as long as the alliance holding an area or having access to Urgoz/Deep lets you in [for a price]. The game is still very young, wait for thing to mature first and then we can identify more relevant weaknesses in the design.

Yes, at the moment those with access asked 25-50k for access; my guildmate checked. That's absurdly high. However, that should drop; it has only been a few days for now ^_^ give it some time and things should become clearer.

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

04 May 2006 at 18:21 - 254

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

It's pretty simple really. Flame and get your post deleted. Respond to flames by quoting them and/or flaming back and get your post deleted.

Thanks for the input.

Dials back rage, gets some perspective.

ignis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Norway

Rus Corp

Mo/

04 May 2006 at 18:21 - 255

and people, nobody is forcing you to grind. go kill Shiro again or work on getting titles or some such. point out to me where it said that access to those elite missions is a must-have? are you going to die without it? I think not.

and if you can't live without them elite missions, how about instead of whining you put together a big good aliance?

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

04 May 2006 at 18:22 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by unienaule

Someone please point out to me the part where Anet said they were going to introduce forced grind for access to content.

It's right there in the Factions FAQ:

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Q: What are alliances and how do they work in Guild Wars Factions?

A: Guilds can join together to form guild alliances. Allied guilds share Alliance chat and can visit each other’s guild halls. Alliances can also gain control of towns and outposts in Cantha by participating in Alliance Battles, which give them the ability to trigger events and gain access to exclusive areas.

Emphasis mine. Now, whether you consider participation in alliance battles to be grind or not is a matter of opinion, but they are quite clear about you having to obtain faction in order to gain access to exclusive areas. Anet seems to have intended alliance battles as the primary means of earning faction.

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

04 May 2006 at 18:25 - 257

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Originally Posted by Macktar Wang

What is HoH? Is it PvP or PvE? PvP is competition against others. Therefore, you advance by winning. PvE is competition agains the gaming environment. I paid to play a PvE game that didn't involve direct competition with other gamers (or should I call them farmers).

Then it's a misunderstanding. The territory control system is strictly PvP. The charr don't hold any towns, you don't have to overtake the mursaat to take over House Zu Heltzer. If your stance is that you bought the game for PvE and don't care about the PvP side, then why would you be upset that you can't own a town (players vs. players). The elite mission is a PvE reward for a PvP game mechanic. So were crystalline sword drops in HoH - did you complain about that?

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

04 May 2006 at 18:27 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by ignis

and people, nobody is forcing you to grind. go kill Shiro again or work on getting titles or some such. point out to me where it said that access to those elite missions is a must-have? are you going to die without it? I think not.

and if you can't live without them elite missions, how about instead of whining you put together a big good aliance?

Thanks for the condescending post. People aren't always whining when they are unhappy with the current status quo. Also, a lot of us are working on other parts of the game. Personally, I haven't even finished it so elite content access isn't a huge priority, but it's still something that's bothersome to me and apparently to a lot of other people.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

04 May 2006 at 18:27 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

unienaule, it's fairly obvious you don't know what you're talking about. The players who are powergaming PvE right now to take control of HZH are farming the PVE mission called amatz basin. How is that remotely related to PvP?

As far as the people complaining that Arenanet is forcing them to have a certain amount of players in their alliance, of course the teams with the max amount of players allowed will do better. They have to set a limit, no matter how arbitrarily, and if you can meet it you'll be better off than people who can't. You complain that you and your 10 RL buddies can't viably compete for these elite missions....did you complain that you and your 5 RL buddies couldn't GvG at the top levels? That Arenanet was "forcing" you to join another guild to field 8 players?

I was just about to say that but you summed it up nicely. i dont know why he got all technical about pvp as i was only arguing about the hard work required.

what i was trying to say is that pvpers have to work hard to get something. some may never get to hoh and win if they dont work hard.

the same could be said for elite missions. working hard to get them is required.

people say that the working hard is wrong maybe we should scrap anything which involves working hard???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

The elite mission is a PvE reward for a PvP game mechanic. So were crystalline sword drops in HoH - did you complain about that?

wow thank you. its nice someone sees sense.

heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

04 May 2006 at 18:28 - 260

Well, the way I see this is getting bad to worse. In Tyria, when teams fight for HoH they are fighting for their regions (America, Europe, Korea .....). They are not only fight for themselves, they fight for every single player in their regions.

All players in a region appreciate the winning teams who gget the favor of the gods for everyone in that region. It is a benefit for all. Now in Cantha it is not so any more. Alliances fight for their own benefit, not for "the greater good" anymore. Actually most of casual players and small guilds will hate alliances that control high content missions because they are so exclusive.

Teams winning HoH do not have control who should be able to access UW/FOW, the gods decide that

. Now in Cantha they are THE GODS themselves

.

Remember in ToA there were so many players cheered for their region's teams to win HoH? Most cheer wildly for the honor and benefit for all. "Go America!" No more! No more! No more! What the different does it make if an alliance hold a capital to me -> none, don't care. There is nothing to cheer about anymore

.

Give us new realms of the gods Anet! Bring back "for the greater good" spirit Anet!

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

04 May 2006 at 18:29 - 261

To all the people saying "Just work harder and you'll get there"

SKILL-OVER-GRIND

People who play "hard" (many, many, many hours farming Faction) and people who play "better" (people who could school farmers in combat), should both have access.

I'm not sure how much clearer this point can be made. Or the fact that there is really no logical arguement against it.

Oh and yes, if we paid for it, we should be allowed access without having to change playstyle to much. To much being, switching from "small skilled group" to "mindless farming army." And that's a really an impervious truth too.

Sciros Darkblade

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Ohio

Archons Ascendant [Arch] - Leader

W/

04 May 2006 at 18:29 - 262

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Originally Posted by LoKi Foxfire

Man, a lot of people are going to hate us for controlling Cavalon it seems. :<

Not if you set precedent for a low price to access The Deep (those who get their arses handed to them might not pay anymore for a while, though, hehe, but they will also quiet down about not having access). Turn it into a UW with ROAR as Grenth's Avatar, so to speak. Your guildmates threw fees of 25-50k at us; that is restrictive and ultimately pointless. If you plan on holding the area for a while, that's something to consider ^_^

Of course you can keep it all to yourselves and farm Zodiac items to sell for 500k a piece. That's another option. It might make you unpopular, but hey, it's better to be feared than loved, as some say.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

04 May 2006 at 18:31 - 263

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

As far as the people complaining that Arenanet is forcing them to have a certain amount of players in their alliance, of course the teams with the max amount of players allowed will do better.

Why should I need to team up with more people than strictly necessary to field a single party? That's the way every instance of the game is played. It's the only level at which skill can be measured, the only level at which this game lets us really compete.

Stacking a huge obligatory metagame on top of it is just silly and discouraging. How people decide to deal with that tells you nothing about how intensely they play, how well they play. If there's only one way to really play the game (small parties in instanced gameplay) that's where their performance should be judged and that's what rewards should be based upon. Not based upon their willingness to play footsie with complete strangers.

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

04 May 2006 at 18:33 - 264

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

The elite mission is a PvE reward for a PvP game mechanic.

Oh sup crux of the problem.

vtrajan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

N/A

Mo/E

04 May 2006 at 18:36 - 265

Uhhhh.
I guess you all missed the missions called Amatz Basin and Zos Shivros Channel?
I think I completed it in about 10-15 minutes and got 1250 ish faction?
I did an alliance battle for about 25 minutes maybe more and got 753 faction.

Yes. I HAVE to grind SO MUCH in PvP for this PvE elite mission. Gosh. I just can't go to a cooperative PvE mission...

Maybe if you all want this so badly and obviously know how to make a better game than a.net, you can create an efficient working system with working server code and game code to adapt to what you want.

Macktar Wang

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

04 May 2006 at 18:37 - 266

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Then it's a misunderstanding. The territory control system is strictly PvP. The charr don't hold any towns, you don't have to overtake the mursaat to take over House Zu Heltzer. If your stance is that you bought the game for PvE and don't care about the PvP side, then why would you be upset that you can't own a town (players vs. players). The elite mission is a PvE reward for a PvP game mechanic. So were crystalline sword drops in HoH - did you complain about that?

Actually, no I didn't. I don't care about Crystalline Swords, Chaos axes, or any other must-have skin. I use modded crafter weapons, and I do just fine. I swear I said it before, but I'll repeat it for you. I DON'T CARE ABOUT HOLDING A CITY. I just want access to the end-game material without bribing the holding alliance. Do I think we should have to pay to enter this area? Sure, why not. But I don't want to pay others. It's like rewarding them for being farmers. I thought Anet nerfed that once...

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

04 May 2006 at 18:39 - 267

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The players who are powergaming PvE right now to take control of HZH are farming the PVE mission called amatz basin

Grinding has nothing to do with hard work in my opinion. I could sit here for 8 hours a day and farm faction too...but according to Anet's original conception of GW, "you'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played." You cannot possibly argue that faction farming takes a tremendous skill level or that it is not highly time-consuming. In essence, this means that A-net has completely went back on their word, and altered their vision of the game.

vtrajan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Canada

N/A

Mo/E

04 May 2006 at 18:41 - 268

These elite missions have nothing to do with endgame content.

Urgoz's Warren content, storyline and questing/etc?
Kill Urgoz.

Press L. Highlight Mission Objective.

Kill Urgoz.

You are missing out on SO MUCH end game and necessary storyline content.

Dr Strangelove

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Dec 2005

Wasting away again in Margaritaville

[HOTR]

04 May 2006 at 18:44 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbspectre

and what's to stop them from charging huge amounts of gold?...there are no rules governing how they run "their" city...it leaves too much open for abuse...

Well, free market economics will stop them pretty effectively if they even chose to charge. If someone chose to charge, they would do it at a reasonable level for the same reason McDonald's doesn't sell 300 dollar hamburgers. Maybe a couple people would buy that expensive hamburger, but you make a lot more money if 1000 people buy a burger for a dollar.

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Originally Posted by pbspectre

i believe Gaile's already stated that there won't be any SF-type updates between now and Chapter 3....

Hmm.. I didn't see this but no major content updates for 6 months sounds kinda lame. Wonder what they're planning to do for the next 6 months? Sit around and count their cash?

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

04 May 2006 at 18:44 - 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtrajan

Uhhhh.
I guess you all missed the missions called Amatz Basin and Zos Shivros Channel?
I think I completed it in about 10-15 minutes and got 1250 ish faction?
I did an alliance battle for about 25 minutes maybe more and got 753 faction.

Yes. I HAVE to grind SO MUCH in PvP for this PvE elite mission. Gosh. I just can't go to a cooperative PvE mission...

Maybe if you all want this so badly and obviously know how to make a better game than a.net, you can create an efficient working system with working server code and game code to adapt to what you want.

Yeah maybe, but think of it in this perspective. How many players would have to farm those PvE challenges how many times each to even begin to acquire the necessary faction? That is the grind we are talking about, especially in relation to those alliances with lower numbers.

Jwh6913

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2005

Death Infernal Evil

Mo/R

04 May 2006 at 18:45 - 271

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Originally Posted by samifly

Let us say this again, its not how good you are, or how much you work, but how big your alliance is.

sounds like a good metaphor for something else

the said metaphor is also as flawed as the idea of being in 10*100, and 10,000 faction apeice, comes to an massive amount of faction farming.

just give us an different means of accessing the elite missions,

be it like a 12v12 pvp to gain entry for an set time period such as 12 hours for that specific alliance. 1 round wins entry

, thus perserving the whole, alliance concept and all.

after the said time limit is up, they'll have to pvp again, in an hard 12v12 round to reenter

unlimited alliances can enter.

OR we could do this, have the luxon or kurzick side dominate one city, and everybody on an faction's side will be able to enter once an alliance with an link to an specfic faction wins.

ANYTHING is better than faction farmimg!

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

04 May 2006 at 18:46 - 272

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loralai

Grinding has nothing to do with hard work in my opinion. I could sit here for 8 hours a day and farm faction too...but according to Anet's original conception of GW, "you'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played." You cannot possibly argue that faction farming takes a tremendous skill level or that it is not highly time-consuming. In essence, this means that A-net has completely went back on their word, and altered their vision of the game.

I agree with that. I never said it wasn't a farming mechanic. It's been fairly obvious to everyone since the previews that you will hold towns by time spent farming faction than somehow showing off your amazing player skill. But that's the way it works. Since the game has come out, it seems that there is a clear split between people who recognized the game mechanics, put together their insane alliances, played to win, and are enjoying the spoils, and the people who immediately came to whine on the forums.

Maybe there is something to be said for complaining in hopes that Arenanet will listen and change things in the future, but I don't think they've shown a history for caring about complaints like this.

Stabber

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Plane of Oblivion

Sigilum Sanguis [keep]

Me/W

04 May 2006 at 18:46 - 273

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loralai

[A]ccording to Anet's original conception of GW, "you'll prove your worth with every battle as skill, not hours played." [...] A-net has completely went back on their word, and altered their vision of the game.

That is a paraphrase of the text on the retail box for the original Guild Wars.

I see no such statement on the retail box of Guild Wars Factions.

felinette

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Girl Power [GP]

Me/

04 May 2006 at 18:47 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyril Aspect

I was going to make an extremely long post talking about how easy it is to get access to elite missions just by asking,

But that beats the purpose, doesn't it?

They're not elite if all you have to do is ask.

Since I think elite missions were a dumb idea to begin with, I'd be cool with gaining access to them just by asking a member of the alliance, assuming they don't charge me any gold or require me to go in with a certain party.

Greedy Gus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Striking Distance

04 May 2006 at 18:51 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Hmm.. I didn't see this but no major content updates for 6 months sounds kinda lame. Wonder what they're planning to do for the next 6 months? Sit around and count their cash?

The arenanet development team that produced GW:F is about to begin working on chapter 4.

pbspectre

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Oral's Chosen

W/Mo

04 May 2006 at 18:56 - 276

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

Well, free market economics will stop them pretty effectively if they even chose to charge. If someone chose to charge, they would do it at a reasonable level for the same reason McDonald's doesn't sell 300 dollar hamburgers. Maybe a couple people would buy that expensive hamburger, but you make a lot more money if 1000 people buy a burger for a dollar.

so, when ppl stop paying to get in, the holders turn to farming the missions and make cash that way...by your line of thinking, 100 ppl paying 2k each to get in won't make as much cash as one person paying 500k for a weapon that only drops in the elite missions...

Loralai

Purveyor of Useless Info

Join Date: Oct 2005

Perpetual Motion Squad [PMS]

Mo/

04 May 2006 at 18:57 - 277

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Maybe there is something to be said for complaining in hopes that Arenanet will listen and change things in the future, but I don't think they've shown a history for caring about complaints like this.

You are more than likely right, but I am one of those who feels the need to at least voice my discontent. I apologize if it offends anyone, but in a capitalist market, it's best to at least let the companies, corporations, etc..know what the varying views of their consumers are.

Quote:

That is a paraphrase of the text on the retail box for the original Guild Wars.

I see no such statement on the retail box of Guild Wars Factions.

I can't argue with you there either. You are absolutely correct. And for that mistake, I take full responsibility. Because they introduced the game to me with the Guild Wars name, and have been telling me for months that it would be in my best interest to merge and about how much more content and skills, etc.. I would have by doing so, I should have never assumed nor expected it to be anything at all like the original.

Family Draconis

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2005

Minnesota

Draconis Guards

R/

04 May 2006 at 19:09 - 278

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Originally Posted by Macktar Wang

I paid to play a PvE game that didn't involve direct competition with other gamers (or should I call them farmers).

Leave the competition to the PvP arenas and out of the PvE world.

I definately agree with this statement. The games PvE content should be accessable to anyone, not just those select few who qualify.

PvE and PvP should be separate entities.

And as for the economy, just dont purchase the elite items for rediculously high prices. You might want them, but I have a feeling that they will change the access to these missions in the future so dont freak out.

Cyril Aspect

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Boston

N/W

04 May 2006 at 19:10 - 279

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kakumei

Not the point. Not the point at all.

then We have no point worth discussing, if being able to get into them isn't whats bothering you then as it seems you are just hating on other peoples playstyles in the guise of complaining about your own is not universally applicable.

some people oddly enough(I have no idea why) like grinding and farming.

it seems to me that what you are mad about Anet refusing to narrowly define PvE and instead of making a game that shows just yours they have made a game with a number of PvE formats some competitive some not,

Competition does not vanish when its only monsters. you wouldn't bring certain builds into certain places because your character wouldn't last against the mobs. thats you competing with the A.I.

EDIT- edited to make sentences suck less.

heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

04 May 2006 at 19:15 - 280

I am perfectly OK with current way of controlling elite missions if most players have an alternative. In Tyria, you can always do UW/FOW, Tomb and SF after you finish the game. In Cantha there is no such high end areas so elite missions are the only option, no alternative.

I dare to say that the popularity of GW is most likely due to UW/FOW, SF and Tomb (at least for 90% GW population). Anet reduces all these options into 2 elite missions (sort of Tomb). We want new realms of the gods like UW and FOW!

How about new realms for the other gods like Dwayna, Lyssa and Melandru that everyone was dreaming about? How about Dwayna's Flying Island, Lyssa's Underwater World and Melandru's Forbidden Jungle? GW Faction will be extremely popular because of all these high content and options.