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Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 02:12 - 1

What if... the current alliance that held Cavalon was overthrown and the alliance that overthrew them opened up the elite mission to all? Wouldn't that be nice ?

Perhaps a grateful community, in the interest of keeping the elite mission available to all, would donate faction to the controlling alliance so that the "monopoly" guild would never get it back ? Then it would be somewhat community owned and all would be able to enjoy it...

Yes, I think that would be nice.

Would you contribute faction to make this come true?

How about if that new alliance refused to allow any of the current controlling guild members into the mission. Then that alliance would break up and would no longer pose a problem to this idea.

Wouldn't that be nice ?

Edit by Savio:
I went over and deleted the last four pages' worth of inter-alliance fighting, and I don't care to go back over the other six pages. I'm leaving this thread open because it still has some valid discussion about elite missions, and I'm also tired of closing every discussion thread about elite missions because anti-alliance and pro-alliance people flood them with their flaming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GwG Forum Guidelines

Personal attacks and flames between guilds and members of those guilds will not be tolerated. Do not, under any circumstances, make an insulting or derogatory post towards another guild or you will be banned and anyone else known to be in your guild will recieve a one day temporary ban. If you want to fight, fight in game and keep it off our boards.

I'm being lenient this time, but be warned: any more alliance vs alliance crap posted and I will start warning and banning.

Shantel Span

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of King Thorn [Mad]

A/N

13 May 2006 at 03:11 - 2

My guild, The Crusaders, will open The Deep to all once we take Cavalon.

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

13 May 2006 at 04:06 - 3

Sounds a bit too much like Communism to gain my favor...

But on a more serious note, why should the currently leading guild be not allowed access? It is no crime to play the game how it was designed to be played. They simply grinded for the position and earned it. Not that they should keep the position forever, I'm jut saying it's not a bad thing that they own Cavalon.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

13 May 2006 at 04:44 - 4

Swinging: I really like your thinking. This would show how the community is more generous and helpful than Anet would antipate.

However, how would you donate faction to an alliance you aren't even in? Ask to be let go by your guild for a day and be accepted into the controlling alliance? If so, you could say, 1k faction points to get in for a day.

This would be a thumb in Anet's face, showing them how their excedingly stingy and frankly unfair polity for elite missions is so despised by all that the controlling, 'open' alliance will make up for the shortcomings that Factions dealt us.

Shantel: isn't Crusaders the Photics guild? If so I have the highest regard, and your offer only goes to confirm this.

If this idea can get off the ground I'm in

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

13 May 2006 at 04:59 - 5

I dont see why its so bad...just make a huge alliance and take it....

GWaddit

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Seige Turtles

Me/R

13 May 2006 at 05:03 - 6

Yes just like Shantel said, once we [The Crusaders] take cavalon we will open the elite mission too all. Now im not quite clear on what the process is for that and all that jazz, but you will get in.

Mandy Memory

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

USA

Xen of Sigils [XoO]

W/

13 May 2006 at 05:16 - 7

If you take shifts you can take in 7 at a time by just mapping, grabbing a team and running in. Then you can leave them there. Finding a party with just your alliance in there can be hard at times...lots of people there would be helpful.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

13 May 2006 at 05:35 - 8

I wonder if some sort of schedule might be useful. I don't like getting all strict and stuff, but you don't want leavers, griefers, disastrously unskilled players, or immature twerps who don't appreciate what is being done for them.

Also a faction donation would be nice, perhaps even necessary to keep Cavalon. Perhaps a bunch of ppl not in the guild could save up a lot of alliance points, all join in and bank some SERIOUS faction points and blow Crusaders right to the top and get Cavalon with a commanding lead, and cruise from there.

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

13 May 2006 at 05:37 - 9

Still eagerly awaiting TC to take Cavalon over.

^_________^

(PS, we're still waiting...)

GWaddit

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2006

Seige Turtles

Me/R

13 May 2006 at 05:40 - 10

No one took seige to Rome and Conquered it for the good of the ppl in one day you know.

Dyeane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Siege Turtles [ST]

13 May 2006 at 05:45 - 11

;P Help us out then.

We've been working really hard at this, and we still have spots open in our guilds if anyone is interested.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 05:54 - 12

Ok, FYI - Crusaders are not far from taking Cavalon. They currently own the Aurios Mines with about 5 million faction. Cavalon is being held with about 6 million faction.

Vitis:

Yes, I think the GW community "contributing" faction would be needed to make this work more easily in the long term. I can't speak for The Crusaders, but I think based on what I have heard about their character, that they would NOT REQUIRE faction contributions from anyone - other than perhaps their own members. But we in the community should realize it will be our faction that will keep the Deep available to all of us.

As for how to do it: Faction contributions are made in chunks of 5k. So contributions would either be 5k or 10k, since that is the max you can have at any one time. I believe you would have to leave your guild, join a Crusaders guild, make your contribution, quit the Crusaders guild, then rejoin your original. Obviously your temporary membership would get you into the Deep, but I don't think there should be a requirement of making a contribution of faction to get into the Deep, and I don't think the Crusaders would either.

So, if we are serious about wanting to do the elite mission, maybe we should do this. Maybe some of The Crusaders could post some IGNs in this thread to contact to contribute and maybe we can help them get this show on the road...

How about it ?

No more threads about how unfair the inaccess to the elite missions are !!

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 May 2006 at 05:54 - 13

The owners of Cavalon are lame.

urbnatr

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Nocturnal Syndicate[sYn]

W/

13 May 2006 at 06:16 - 14

Oh, we will take it fire fox boy. dont you worry about that. Im very aware of what your alliance can do.
=]

Sincerely, Demon Lord Esedess
Leader of The Next Chapter[TnC]
in The Crusaders Alliance

ps: you beat my score in aurios mines in the frist few weeks>=)

pointblank187

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Stalker Supremecy

A/W

13 May 2006 at 06:21 - 15

Hello, I am an officer in Stalker Supremecy IGN Pointblank Death, our guild is part of the TC alliance. I am completely in favor of contributions to take Cavalon and open this mission to all. The current owners had a complete lock on even items comming out of there until Kurzick side began making items available to all. I am personally on the majority of each day as are a few other officers in our guild. We have room to accept either temporary members for contribution or permanent members if you like. Our guild doesn't have any requirements nor will it as far as contribution goes and once we do get Cavalon we won't have any requirements for any to get into the elite mission. AFAIK all you need is a member of the alliance to get into the mission so anyone would be more than welcome to ask someone in our guild to go.

photics

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

13 May 2006 at 06:33 - 16

First off... Hi! This is my first post!

I don't like the elitism that I'm seeing... heh, and I run an elite fansite. I think The Deep should be open for all. So... if you want to donate faction to The Crusaders Alliance, you can. We have no intention of locking out the elite mission. Personally, I have no interest in the elite mission or the loot. Yet, I believe players should have access to this content. It's good for the game.

My In-Game name is T A N K... or ... P H O T I C S.

If you want to donate faction to liberate The Deep, let us know. If you want to join our alliance, you can do that too.

We have room for two guilds... looking for teams with 1,000,000 Luxon faction each.

Together we can make Cantha a better place. HA HA

Kalki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Summoners of Forgotten Gods

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 06:35 - 17

I know I'm gonna be hated for saying this, but if I were in an alliance in control of Cavalon or House zu Heltzer, I'd rather keep it exclusive to guild members. 5+ million faction could be turned into a lot of Jadeite and Amber, and thus the alliance in control loses a lot of gold by controlling it. They make up for their loss with the exclusiveness of the drops from the elite area, and the potential sales of those items.

On the contrary what people are describing of joining a guild, then dumping 5k or 10k Faction into, and leaving sounds like cheating. I also was thinking of another way some people could cheat the faction system, or at least get the most out of it. Let's say Guild leaders from the controlling alliance racked up an enormous amount of faction, then kicked every member in the guild (maybe done with consent, maybe done corruptly), and sat on the top with minimal faction decay due to so few members (don't know what minimal decay would be). I bet that'd piss a bunch of people off.

Anyway, I'm perfectly content with my 15k armor (and hopefully FoW armor someday) and my rare Chaos axe. I have no problem that people more dedicated to PvE have newer and fancier loot, cause mine is already good enough.

Dyeane

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Siege Turtles [ST]

13 May 2006 at 06:38 - 18

Actually, decay is 10% a day, regardless of how many members you have.

Pillz_veritas

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fun Loving Gamers

R/Mo

13 May 2006 at 06:43 - 19

and the controlling alliance has 7 million faction now btw

photics

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

13 May 2006 at 06:44 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalki

Let's say Guild leaders from the controlling alliance racked up an enormous amount of faction, then kicked every member in the guild

That's not what The Crusaders is about. We're one of the oldest, if not the oldest, guild in the game. Visit http://photics.com if you doubt it. We're not out to rip guilds off. We're here to open The Deep for everyone.

What choice is there? Have one group that hogs the loot all to themselves, or have an alliance that tries to open the place up to everyone? I think the latter is better for the community.

Kalki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Summoners of Forgotten Gods

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 07:06 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyeane

Actually, decay is 10% a day, regardless of how many members you have.

Thanks for pointing that out, and good to know it can't be cheated in the way I described. I'm still learning about this faction system. I still think whichever alliance controls it should hoard the loot though.

Vinsanity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

btwn heaven & hell

Clan iSo [iSo]

13 May 2006 at 07:17 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pillz_veritas

and the controlling alliance has 7 million faction now btw

They just had a guild with 1 million faction join up with them.

On behalf of The Short Bus [TSB], we fully support this idea and will continue to farm our asses off to take Cavalon so that the community will have option to the deep. Why should only 5% of the community have access to these areas? When I pay for a game I expect to get the full potential out of the game.

If anyone wants to help the cause for the fight for Cavalon, you are welcome to join our guild also, just message me in game. Thx and have a good day

Gwen Haler [TSB]
[TC] Alliance

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 08:00 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagflame

Sounds a bit too much like Communism to gain my favor...

But on a more serious note, why should the currently leading guild be not allowed access? It is no crime to play the game how it was designed to be played. They simply grinded for the position and earned it. Not that they should keep the position forever, I'm jut saying it's not a bad thing that they own Cavalon.

The reason behind the suggestion to deny access to the alliance currently in control is simply to provide their current members with incentive to leave, as that would then make them eligible for entry into the mission. After a while, the individual members would leave to get access, and the threat of them retaking control from the community would dissipate.

It was not meant as anything personal against the current individuals in that alliance. It was simply a game mechanic to make this solution more stable.

I am very glad to see the various members of The Crusaders responding to this thread and moreover, responding favorably.

I definitely think we should give this a try. They are not asking for gold. They are not asking for entrance fees. Taken at their word, and I have no reason whatsoever not to, they seem to be interested in what is best for the Guild Wars community.

BTW, I know this isn't a recruiting thread, and probably not allowed, but if there is any room in your alliance for me...

Tuoba Hturt Eht

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Deimos Tel Arin [CCTV]

W/

13 May 2006 at 08:30 - 24

Ya need 5 million luxon factions to take over Cavalon.

I suggest farming "The Luxon Supplies Line" quest over and over again.

Make squads of faction farmers.

1 warrior + 7 non-warriors.
Take squad to Breaker Hollow.
Exit east, everyone get quests.
In 2 minutes, Warrior sprints, charges to quarter master Hector while everyone dies.

Warrior activates res shrine at quarter master hector.
Warrior delivers supplies to hector.
Warrior goes kill himself.

Whole team is resurrected.
The other 7 team mates cash in their 400 faction.

Do this for 10 runs under 30 minutes. (including zone loading times)
8 ppl will have 4,000 total 32,000 luxon faction.

Do another 3 runs and 8 ppl will have 5.2k faction. 8 x 5k = 40k total to cash in for the alliance standing faction.

Have 10 teams of these faction farmers doing it, that'll be 400k luxon faction for the alliance for every 30 minutes.

800k luxon faction every hour.

Ever wondered how Black Blades is holding Cavalon for 5mil factions?
Now you know.

Tseng Shinra

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Siege Turtles [ST]

R/

13 May 2006 at 08:31 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinsanity

They just had a guild with 1 million faction join up with them.

On behalf of The Short Bus [TSB], we fully support this idea and will continue to farm our asses off to take Cavalon so that the community will have option to the deep. Why should only 5% of the community have access to these areas? When I pay for a game I expect to get the full potential out of the game.

If anyone wants to help the cause for the fight for Cavalon, you are welcome to join our guild also, just message me in game. Thx and have a good day

Gwen Haler [TSB]
[TC] Alliance

5%? try like .01%

As an officer of The Crusaders, I'd like to say that we want the community to thrive. Just because you cant commit as much time or pass the rigorous joining fees/process of black blades, doesnt mean you shouldnt be able to access everything.

pointblank187

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Stalker Supremecy

A/W

13 May 2006 at 08:32 - 26

Personally I'm farming 16-20 hours a day to achieve our goal of Cavalon. What will be the first thing I do? I will go straight to Cavalon and invite whoever wants to go into the deep. I feel that all my personal hard work will have paid off once Cavalon is "open to the public".

I feel that it's a game and we all should be able to enjoy all of it and if I have to work 16-20 hours a day until we take this monopoly out of power then so be it. I can understand UW and FoW being only open when we have favor but at least everyone has a chance to experience it. The way it stands now the elite mission for Cavalon would never be open for anyone outside of what? 1000 max? At 7 mil most guilds wouldn't be able to keep up and catch up so they may never have a chance to experience this mission thus not being able to experience the full game.

TC is trying to change that and allow everyone the chance to experience this, not just 1000 people. If we have to take Cavalon without outside help before everyone realizes that we are serious about keeping Cavalon open to all as long as we maintain it then that's fine too. We have the resolve to out gain the current leading alliance and will.

Origin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

13 May 2006 at 08:35 - 27

Hello, I am from alliance of The Crusaders too. We would really use gwguru's community help to take Cavalon and make it accessible for all as fast as possible, for sure. No doubt it's hard to take it from BkBd and because their arrogance and elitism we want to make Cavalon available for all. Although TC's alliance is mainly American based, we have enough people in europe too [includes me], so everyone either from America and Europe territory interrested to take a look in The Deep will get a chance as we take Cavalon!

Please, we'd appreciate your cooperation and help for make Luxon's side better. Kurzick's best alliances havent such arrogant town owners as Luxon's have. And btw. if BkBd will own Cavalon long time, we may not see many people in Jade sea in future... Please save Luxons

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

13 May 2006 at 08:37 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuoba Hturt Eht

Ya need 5 million luxon factions to take over Cavalon.

I suggest farming "The Luxon Supplies Line" quest over and over again.

Make squads of faction farmers.

1 warrior + 7 non-warriors.
Take squad to Breaker Hollow.
Exit east, everyone get quests.
In 2 minutes, Warrior sprints, charges to quarter master Hector while everyone dies.

Warrior activates res shrine at quarter master hector.
Warrior delivers supplies to hector.
Warrior goes kill himself.

Whole team is resurrected.
The other 7 team mates cash in their 400 faction.

Do this for 10 runs under 30 minutes. (including zone loading times)
8 ppl will have 4,000 total 32,000 luxon faction.

Do another 3 runs and 8 ppl will have 5.2k faction. 8 x 5k = 40k total to cash in for the alliance standing faction.

Have 10 teams of these faction farmers doing it, that'll be 400k luxon faction for the alliance for every 30 minutes.

800k luxon faction every hour.

Ever wondered how Black Blades is holding Cavalon for 5mil factions?
Now you know.

Actually, I don't think you know now ? I know you haven't tried this. The supply line quest is not one that is done by one person and everybody else just hangs out. Everybody has to carry their own supplies. No supplies, no faction. That's why everybody does it individually. Some people can bring henches for cannon faughter or a group for the comraderie, but you have to actually carry the supplies from point A to point B to get the quest done.

Also, so as to not dissuade anyone from helping because they don't have a warrior. Monks, rangers, assassins, pretty much every profession can run this quest. Again, not speaking for the Crusaders, but I wouldn't be surprised if they even made suggestions for how your profession could do it, if you ask.

TheEPIC

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

In my bed

Onslaught of Xen

W/E

13 May 2006 at 08:45 - 29

I'm fully behind my alliance's (The Crusaders) decision to open The Deep. It is the only reason I would put in as much faction a day as I do. Personally, I am sickened by the thought that, at max, only 1000 luxon players would be able to get into the elite mission over an alliance's greed and desire to monopolize. I guess thats why I feel okay about making as much of a contribution to The Crusaders as I do; it's sorta' become like a community project for me and other members of this alliance.

Honestly, Anet needs to act. The amount of talk and thought that people are contributing to this topic is a sure sign of that. Whether it be entrance fees like FoW an UW or some other prerequisite, most any change to the system would be nice. Come on Anet, if we, the players, are trying to take action like this then you should too.

Origin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

13 May 2006 at 08:54 - 30

Of course I don't blame BdBk for their arrogance, elitism and so. It's normal in today world. I blame A-Net for this "Factions" system. But if Anet will not do something with this system, a community must! Come on, we let everyone go to Kurzick side because there they can try the elite mission? Are we gonna just stand and watch BkBd how they are 1337 [oh that's so cute!] and how they publicly say they are the only one who can go to The Deep and they won't allow: community to try it; sell rare items from this elite mission to public and more ---- from their "codex" and everyone that feels it's not right and try break their 'rules' will be excluded from their alliance because he's sharing his/her experience with the content of the game he, and everyone else paid for? I think this must be stopped...

Vinsanity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

btwn heaven & hell

Clan iSo [iSo]

13 May 2006 at 09:03 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tseng Shinra

5%? try like .01%

Yeah i just threw out a number there for an example, i didnt know the exact number so thats what popped in my head, thx for the insight though.

lemonking

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 May 2006 at 09:48 - 32

hey guys, im from the black blades aliance and i just wanted to give you a clear goal to work against:

Mimi Miyagi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Port Orchard, WA

The Second Foundation: [TSF]

13 May 2006 at 09:48 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Origin

Of course I don't blame BdBk for their arrogance, elitism and so. It's normal in today world. I blame A-Net for this "Factions" system. But if Anet will not do something with this system, a community must! Come on, we let everyone go to Kurzick side because there they can try the elite mission? Are we gonna just stand and watch BkBd how they are 1337 [oh that's so cute!] and how they publicly say they are the only one who can go to The Deep and they won't allow: community to try it; sell rare items from this elite mission to public and more ---- from their "codex" and everyone that feels it's not right and try break their 'rules' will be excluded from their alliance because he's sharing his/her experience with the content of the game he, and everyone else paid for? I think this must be stopped...

Our group (of kurzicks) were laughing our asses off listening to the various Black Blades saying "OMG how did you get in here!" every 30 seconds just before we went into the deep for about 4 hours. Their elitism and arrogance is astounding and quite unfounded.

We teased them mercilessly too.

It's so funny, on the kurzicks side people outside of the controlling alliance can basically come and go into the Warrens, yet on the luxon side it's monopolized by a bunch of kiddies charging people to come in, and acting like jerks.

And the Deep isn't that hard of a mission.

Shantel Span

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of King Thorn [Mad]

A/N

13 May 2006 at 10:05 - 34

Mimi, unfortunately, they're not even charging people to get in - it's an outright ban. Sad, huh? If you're ever gathering Luxon faction to see what our side has to offer, come donate after you Befriend the Luxons.

pointblank187

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Stalker Supremecy

A/W

13 May 2006 at 10:29 - 35

Aye it's an outright ban on anyone from the outside and if someone is caught in that alliance letting an outsider in they are kicked with no exception. Again I emphisize we need to get this monopoly OUT any way we can. TC is committed to do it regardless but donations of factions just means that everyone gets access to it quicker. Also while not required throwing 5-10k our way every now and then while we have it would take some of the load off of the people that are going on 4 and 500k personal faction. It will also allows us to maintain control enabling access to all.

pointblank187

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Stalker Supremecy

A/W

13 May 2006 at 10:31 - 36

ohh Lemon that's nice you guys haven't even broke a mil yet? Man you elitists must have it nice. LOL

lemonking

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2005

13 May 2006 at 11:30 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by pointblank187

ohh Lemon that's nice you guys haven't even broke a mil yet? Man you elitists must have it nice. LOL

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 May 2006 at 11:34 - 38

Here's a tip not many seem to know about. If you get into the elite mission staging area, you can map to your guild hall and then map back to the staging area, even if your alliance doesn't own it anymore. Any alliance members that have already been there once before can party with you in your hall and map travel back.

Of course this only works for direct travel. If you leave and go somewhere else you can't map back to the staging area.

One thing to be wary of, I've seen XoO members do this, is they will get into your group and run like hell out of the zone. Once they map you out, you're screwed.

zhai

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Poland

The Witchers

R/Me

13 May 2006 at 11:47 - 39

OLD Alliance(BTW I'm member of it) today took control over House zu Heltzer - I wouldn't agree for "free for all" Elite Missions. They are Elite, and it's very hard to get nad stay at the top. People just want to get best things for free - it's irritating.

pointblank187

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Stalker Supremecy

A/W

13 May 2006 at 11:49 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhai

OLD Alliance(BTW I'm member of it) today took control over House zu Heltzer - I wouldn't agree for "free for all" Elite Missions. They are Elite, and it's very hard to get nad stay at the top. People just want to get best things for free - it's irritating.

Point is though it's a game everyone paid for it our alliance as a whole feel everyone should experience it.