Elite Mission Available to All ?

Once some real alliance takes over Cavalon and lets ppl participate to the Elite Mission let's all charge 100 cookies from blackblade members to join m'kay?

Its rather obvious that many of the people in this thread havent played other MMORPGS. The er, ---- "blocking" of areas was pretty standard in at least 4 different ones ive played. In 2 of them, it was sorta a fundemental of high end play due to the game mechanics in place. Actually i was kinda anticipating this when they announced alliances in the first place.

The band just played on as it were, when i was brining this up months ago though. In a way im kinda surprised its only happening with one faction though.

I know it's pretty standard fare for things like this but again we as an alliance don't feel that way. Being that we're closing in on Cavalon we're making our plans known and that whoever is with the idea can help out if they want. For the next alliance to take Cavalon if you want to make it exclusive again that's your choice.

Then follow the example of the posts up top, (with exception to hocksters). Get out and work for the faction and earn it, instead of sponging from it.

ehh?? I've got 300k personal our alliance has over 5 mil with 8 guilds I think we are working for it just fine.

Hello, I am from the guild Chest Farmers Anonymous[Keys] and we are in The Crusaders Alliance. We currently have 550k faction, which was all farmed by 3 ppl in a few days. We onyl have 5 members at the moment and we are really looking for more people. If you want to join to help us make a push for Cavalon then contact either Man Who Lost Tooth (me) or Screaming Blade (leader). Thanks, and I hope The Deep will be open to all soon.

Sorry, that wasn't actually directed towards you but to the secondary subject of the post.

ohh about the donations? That was a suggestion by our alliance not a requirement not begging or anything like that. We're doing just fine on our own we just suggested that if ppl wanted the deep opened quicker that they had that option.

No no =P Not that either. More about the secondary subject bragging about how the faction system/admission can be exploited without having to work for it.

Oh sorry then lol been up all night farming so brain not quite functioning fully.

I feel your pain. Good luck with your effort =P Seems you are putting up a good charge forward.

Ok, so as I said donate some faction if you would like to keep Cavalon open. Your right on the point ANet needs to address it but until they do why not contribute to make sure we keep hold of Cavalon and keep access to all. As has been stated farming is not a skill based thing to do and if anyone needs help on gaining a lot of faction quick I'd be more than happy to help them.

As I've said before we're doing just fine on our own with over 5 mil faction under 8 guilds but if people wanted to contribute that would be fine and we'd have a better shot at controlling and keeping Cavalon. We aren't restricting access to current owners if we take it I don't think it was mentioned by anyone in our alliance and if it was it wasn't said with any seriousness.

To post above same to you guys and yes we've made quite a bit of progress through the night between at most 15 (maybe more) in alliance. Now that people are comming on things should get interesting.

Dude I was kidding... notice I said "on a more serious note" afterwards. But you do bring up a good point: it is easily corruptable. As is this plan.

I like your bit of racism there. If you're from Canada, you must be french-canadian. See, I can do it too.

Not that I think everyone should be allowed into the elite, work for it if you want it that bad, I personally hear it's not so great anyways. I don't know why everyone thinks they need to whine about it so they get free stuff. In other games these people are called beggers, in this one they are "trying to improve the game". People need to get a life and realise that they can't get hand-fed everything.

Didn't read the OP's post eh? That's alright, I'll quote it for you.

Which is just silly, why would the alliance break up just because they wouldn't have access to elite missions? As I mentioned before, they're supposedly not that great anyways.

Just to clear things up, I've never been on an elite mission and my alliance is not even remotely close to taking a city. And yet I still find other things to do. Also, none of this is directed negatively torward TC (With the exception of the idea of not letting the previous alliance into the missions) and if they wish to open them up then it's their own choice, be it of wisdom or folly, giving or greed.

When did this thread turn from a discussion on elite access and into a Guild recruitment/faction begging/alliance assistance request chatroom?

Oh that's right, post 2.

I would just like to note that We have not got any donations and that is completely fine, The Crusader alliance will take Cavalon regardless. Donations will just make it quicker.

There was a bit of controversy tonight, a guild (GOL) had promised to join us with 1.3M faction, but there is obviously a mole in one of our guilds, because literally 15 minutes after they had promised to join us, Black Blades contacted them and they joined Black Blades. They feel they are safe...how safe are they? we have literally half their members and are only 1M short of them?

The OP is not part of our alliance he was making points of suggestion on how to take out the controlling guild. Being that we had planned on giving access to all when we got Cavalon we thought it would be good to respond. If you read the rest of OP's posts you can see he's not in TC. We have already decided that we would not deny access to anyone as we feel that with the people we have working we'd be able to maintain Cavalon as we're catching up more and more. Only reason they're ahead is because of 2 guild acquisition. We on the other hand are still at 8 guilds steady gaining steam.

As for the donations we saw it suggested and thought it might not be such a bad idea for people that wanted to contribute to keeping the deep open to all that we were open to it. We also don't place strict rules enforcing everyone to farm all day or whatever and we still are catching up to Cavalon. This is basically work being done by people with one common goal in mind: To allow access to the elite mission for all. No more no less do we work hard? Damn right we do and you know what? I will feel as if the hard work I've personally put in will be worth it all when we overtake Cavalon and open access to the deep.

Actually... the plan is to let members of The Black Blades in the elite area too. This is for several reasons...

1... It's better to keep them distracted!
2... We're not like them!
3... They should learn to play nice, maybe they'll learn by example.

Why should a handful of people control an area? To artificially inflate the prices of virtual loot? That's greed in the worst way! It's a game. I don't like sandbox bullies. The idea behind the elite mission is that everyone should have a turn. Yet, when one guild decides they want to keep it all for themselves... a more just guild has to put them in their place.

The Crusaders is ranked #2. We would have had The Deep open for all last night, if not for last minute tretchery. That's OK... we're still going after them If you want to join us, there's still plenty of room.

We're also throwing a faction farming competition right now...
http://forums.photics.com/showthread.php?t=2684

The one that donates the most faction in 48 hours wins a collector's edition mini-dragon!

Other members of the alliance are throwing in prizes too!

Yes but I had assumed the OP's post/topic had been staged for an introduction to TC, simply because otherwise it would mean it was extremely coincidencial. It may have been. It just seems odd that on the day that TC makes a big hype in Cavalon about beating BkBd and opening the mission to everyone that someone makes this topic and a TC member is the second poster.

No, it's not. AreaNet intended the elite missions to be for people that grinded to get there, and said nothing to the contrary that I am aware of.

That would make the elite mission worth the grind to get there, or it should. If you open it up to everyone then the prices on all the weapons there will die so fast that half of the gaming population won't have had a chance to get there. Then you'll have those people complaining that the weapons you get for four hours of extremely hard PvE play are worth nothing and AreaNet will just laugh and say you did it to yourselves.

im a leader of a small guild, i have no problem joining the alliance every now and again so my guild can dump our faction into it, or trusting one of my officers so i can join you guys, dump my factions, and then have my officer, now leader, invite me back

down with the tyrany and monopoly of teh deep

Wow this thread makes me all warm and fuzzy...I think it's a great idea though becase the current system is just plain moronic. My guild has yet to join an alliance but I'm sure that farming faction is no different than farming items. We'd be happy to help this endevaour out once we hit cavalon, we've got some slackers in the guild. LoL

I guess i must be dumb but where do you even access the elite missions for Luxons or Kurzicks

capital cities and currently the owners of Cavalon have a lock on anyone being allowed access to it when any can enter as long as someone from controlling alliance brings them in.

So IF a player friendly alliance were to take control of Cavalon would the entrance be through Cavalon itself? Sry for the noob questions.

Sorry, not racist, my fault there. I simply meant prejudice, which can be against members of another country regardless of their race.

Umm... what? I can joke about democracy too, and have in the past. That doesn't mean that the governmental system is a joke, it just means that I can be lighthearted about it.

Work doesn't have to be skillfull, repetative work may be easy but it's some of the worst work to have to do imo.

People are asking for this yes, but I am not talking about people in general I am discussing the current thread, in which the general consensus is that the controlling alliance should give everyone free access.

Although this is used a lot, it is a stupid argument. I mean seriously, think about what you're saying. You obviously can't have all the high content, everyone currently has an equal chance to achieve it but obviously not everyone will. That's like saying you want to participate in the seasonal championship matches just because you bought the game.

They earned the position by grinding and working when others did not. I for one do not think the missions are worth the grind, but people that did do the grind definitly deserve the missions for the amount of dedication they have shown in achieving the goal.

You can still be just as competative without the elite missions. This is just like how you had to grind to get FoW armor or high end weapons. PvE has always been about the grind, but I would rather it be for faction than for gold. Neither makes you more competative in any way, it simply gives you access to high end material.

Actually, GWF was supposed to interlock PvP and PvE more than previously in order to stop such extremes that were developing in GWP. This has been shown especially in the Cooperative and Competative Challenge Missions that can only be accessed by PvE characters. I for one like this change.

No, all that farming actually earns you is the honour of being a complete loser. See WoW raid guilds for another example of people who deserve to be dragged out into the street and shot so that they don't pollute the gene pool.

The Crusaders Alliance has liberated the Deep.

As I said, we're not stingy about it either! Just find someone from the alliance to let you in. Me, I'll be busy farming. (I actually enjoy farming faction more than PvE missions.)

Thanks goes out to the following guilds...

• Chest Farmers Anonymous
• Lets Farm Green
• Spirit Of Harmony
• Stalker Supremacy
• The Last Hero
• The Little Nutters
• The Next Chapter
• The Short Bus
• The Swift Assassins

There's room in those guilds if you want to join.
Remember... together we can keep Cavalon open for all!

I believe some members of TC have already addressed that I am not in TC, but let me go further. When I posted this thread, I did it without the knowledge, consent, approval, or whatever, of TC, anyone in their alliance, or anyone else for that matter.

The idea of the community pooling resources was mine and mine alone. I thought the idea of opening it to the public was mine, but perhaps not. At the time I posted this, I thought the second place alliance was much further behind than TC was. I guess their city is not on my map ?

This post stemmed from reading another long-running thread of complaints against the current setup and how unfair it was only such a small group gets to do the elite mission. I saw a lot of complaining, but not a solution. I meant this to be a possible solution.

I'm not going to go searching for the exact quotes of ANet on this, but everybody, apparently except Jagflame, knows that ANet says this mission was designed for the most elite players. They have NEVER said the most grinding alliance would be rewarded with this elite mission. Are you seriously trying to convince people that grinding was ANet's desire here ? Here's a suggestion for JagFlame: read anything that ANet has ever said about access to the elite mission, and you will find something other than grinding. And make no mistake, getting faction by running the supplies quest requires nothing but grind. It does not take an elite player to do this. Any monk with healing breeze, spell breaker, and a running buff (storm chaser for ranger secondary) can do this easily. And if you avoid the Oni, spell breaker isn't even necessary. And if it's that easy for a monk, imagine a warrior, ranger, or assassin. How elite is that?

We obviously disagree on what ANet is hoping to accomplish in Factions. You think they want to keep prices out of reach of the casual player who does not want to grind hours on hours. I see them increase drop rates of superior runes, purple and gold items, giving gold, and ways of acquiring such things as bags, runes of holding, salvage kits other than purchase, for quest rewards. What I see ANet doing is everything they can to make many more things available to the casual players who do not want to spend so much of their time farming.

You think ANet wants the attainability of the drops in the elite missions to be only attainable by those very few who faction farm better than any others. You think ANet wants the price of these items to be so outrageous that only the faction farmers can get them.

I obviously disagree. I believe ANet's desire for the rewards in this mission is exactly what they have publicized it to be: rewarding the most elite players, based on skill not grind. I see ANet has created a very difficult, the most challenging of any other in the game, mission that by Black Blades' admission takes well over 4 hours to complete. This is where the elite players are separated from the non-elite. Average players will not have the skill to defeat the mobs necessary to get those items. Elite players will. ANet never intended for the entrance key to be the test - instead it was the mission itself that would be the test.

Further, ANet designed this game "Factions" to be about players and guilds banning together to fight for a common cause. I believe this thread is about this very thing, perhaps taken to a level that even ANet probably didnt' anticipate, but maybe they did.

I have been playing this game for several months now, and I spend a lot, probably too much, time playing it. I read these forums, I read the skills, builds, etc, to become as skilled a player as I can because I enjoy playing this game and want to learn as much about it as possible. I think opening up the most elite mission to the community so we can test ourselves, learn how good we really are in PvE, and improve our skills is a great idea. I hope we make this happen.

Thanks.

P.S. I have seen references to what I suggested about locking out the current Cavalon holders from the elite mission and I would like to clear this up. I addressed it previously, but I'll reiterate. It was not meant as anything personal against the Black Blades or any type of "punishment". I suggested it only as a method of keeping the mission open to the community easier to maintain. My logic was that the members of Black Blades would want the guild tag removed from their name so they would be allowed in, then the alliance wouldn't pose as much of a threat to retaking. That was it. I have since figured that they could just disband to get in, but later regroup at any time, which would defeat this idea. I thought I had posted that refutation, but perhaps not. Either way, several members of TS have since stated that they will not implement that ban, so it's somewhat of a moot point. I just wanted to clarify that it was not ill-will or hard feelings toward Black Blades that fueled my suggestion. They have every right to do what they are doing. Just as we as a community have every right to do what this thread suggests.

edit: Long posts take time to write. In the mean time, although I haven't logged in, I see a post that the Deep has been liberated !!!! Congrats to all who helped, TC or otherwise.

I just want to say a big

THANK YOU

to The Crusaders and thier allies. The community loves you guys!!!!!!!! (and gals )

Just on a side note, we took Cavalon by ourselves with no outside donations for everyone in a certain alliance that seem to be talking a lot of smack now. Again, we don't require and aren't begging for faction as demonstrated we can do this on our own. We were just saying we're open to people wanting to donate faction to keep the deep open to all. It creates a less stressfull workload on us as a whole and also keeps us comfortably ahead of the competition. Wouldn't it be better to free up some people in our alliance to take people into the deep? As it stands now BkBd is going to make a very hard push and that's fine by us. We've kept our word and first thing we did (aside from fireworks) was pull people in groups allowing them in.

Yeay!

Log on today and see cavalon was taken from those "im better then everyone jerks" in the bkbd.

I commend you guys on allowing others free access. Now that's elite in it's purest form.

Go Crusaders!

How can I look you guys up to donate faction?

Can i donate by merely guesting (I.E. not leaving my guild)?

you can't, please PM anyone from our alliance. IGN :Origin Is Ranger or everyone else.

nice one

I wonder whether we couldnt do the same for Urgoz Warren oO

I personally think that TC are a bunch of fags who screw up Arena Net's whole idea for Elite Missions. This is because of 1 HUGE reason.
1. Elite Missions are MADE FOR ONLY ALLIANCE MEMBERS, as soon as you allow everyone into the Elite Mission it screws with why Arena Net made the Elite Missions.

I am a member of the Black Blades, so maybe I am just pissed that we lost Cavalon to a bunch of cheaters. But I believe that yall letting in everyone is pretty freaking screwed, and I'm hoping that another alliance will take Cavalon and use it as A-Net ment it.

I also believe that yalls getting everyone to donate faction to you is a load, and that is another reason why TC do not deserve the Deep. Yall had the world working for u and yall finally won Cavalon I hope yall are happy that it took players from just about every alliance to take a single alliance, who got all our faction on our own.

So to some all of this up I will say these final few points.
1. Get your own freaking faction.
2. Don't screw with A-Net's plan for elite missions.
3. Call me an Elitist, or a jerk, or just about anything else yall want. But at least are not f***ing cheaters.

Yours Truly, Akasun Sasori

I am all too happy to send a big fat "up yours" to Anet for this stupid idea.

You're right, they don't. *everyone* does. Good thing TC ain't hoarding it.

Now Kurzicks just need a similar alliance...

I think community has different opinion - they deserve at least try what they all paid for... And no, I don't think we've screwed elite mission, we aren't just the bunch of "elitists" that want everything for themselves. Anyway, it's your opinion, you can blame us for whatever you want, but for now it's our city and we can do whatever we want with it, whether you like it or not.

Well I just did a nice lil' run in The Deep, was just idling in Cavalon when a friendly chap asked if I wanted to join up in the Elite.

Made it to the 8th room, got crappy loot (personally, others got nice Zod stuff :<) but one damn nice experience, the mission is really, really cool. Thanks for TC for the opportunity, and I'd be glad to see this arrangement going on further on.

\o/