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Kariston The Swift

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sand Scorpions[SS]

R/Me

15 May 2006 at 07:46 - 161

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Originally Posted by Oldmantime

after 2000 hours of prophecies i think it's ok to speak up if you don't like the expansion in the hopes that ANET will wake up and change things in such a way that will keep the MAJORITY of the players happy

So what you're saying is you don't like the expansion at all because of that one little aspect? I'm just going to end it there and go to sleep with a smile of amusement on my face.

Oldmantime

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ireland

The dragon lineage

N/R

15 May 2006 at 07:51 - 162

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Originally Posted by Edrina Spellweaver

3) Why are The Black Blades a bunch of elitist pricks who hate everyone outside the alliance?

First and foremost, if anyone feels that they have been mistreated by a member of the alliance, notify that person's guild's officers and explain the situation clearly.

Second, this is simply not the case. All the members of my guild have come to help me at prior missions, sold items at discount prices, and have provided general advice and wity game banter as all guilds should. Our goal was to be #1 and take Cavalon from the German guild GZSZ. When we finally took it, it wasn't "We R 2 1337 4 j00!!!1" so much as "We are #1!" If The Crusaders goal is to hold Cavalon and open The Deep, by all means have at it. I embrace the challenge to keep us on our toes. Haressment, bigotry, slander, and discredit to our name, however, will not be tolerated and dealt with accordingly. Take your fights to GvG.

fair points, you're allowed make your own choices on how to run you alliance, but don't try and tell me there haven't been memebrs of your alliance who have been saying that most players couldn't handle the deep, they have and it's pretty easy to say they're wrong.

much respect to you for being the first person from the black blades to come on here and explain your ideals in a well thought out manner.

Oldmantime

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ireland

The dragon lineage

N/R

15 May 2006 at 07:53 - 163

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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

So what you're saying is you don't like the expansion at all because of that one little aspect? I'm just going to end it there and go to sleep with a smile of amusement on my face.

i already said i wouldn't care about the elite missions if the rest of us got some high level areas, but we didn't, THAT'S my problem

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

15 May 2006 at 07:58 - 164

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Originally Posted by Edrina Spellweaver

For the sake of myself, my guildmates, the alliance and everyone else involved, it seems like some (further) clarification is in order.

And perhaps a little more, if you'd be so kind.

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Originally Posted by Edrina Spellweaver

1) Why don't all players have access to the elite mission?

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As descibed, elite missions would only be for the alliances who controlled the area which provides access.

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If The Crusaders goal is to hold Cavalon and open The Deep, by all means have at it. I embrace the challenge to keep us on our toes.

I guess I'm not sure I understand what your position is. The first part leads me to believe that you are saying the elite mission should only be for the top alliance at the time. This is fine, I can understand that. But then you say you welcome TC's goal to open the Deep to everyone.

Do you take issue with what TC does when they hold Cavalon, or do you just disagree with their decision, but respect that they can do so ?

As for me, I think if ANet meant for it to only be accessible to the controlling alliance, they would have locked it up like they locked the first two missions from native Tyrians. They didn't do that. What they did do was require a member of the controlling alliance to be the one to gain access, while allowing everyone in the party through. From this I conclude that ANet wanted each controlling alliance to do as they wish. Do you agree ?

edit: (for all) The mods have been closing threads on this topic because of some back and forth content. I just request that we be extra careful to avoid the "Wicked Staff of Closing".

Zehnchu

Popcorn Fetish

Join Date: Dec 2005

[GODS]

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 08:16 - 165

At some point of time you are going to have to face the facts, that a vast majority never wanted the Factions favor system from the get go. Numerous posts with concern about it along with the dislikes were well present before the FPE (Free Preview Weekend) and every day after it. And the hate of the favor system wasn’t exclusive to this forum.

Did you really think that you are going to change the minds of the masses who did not want this favor system from the start?

And it’s a free world, I will do what I want to do…..I suggest you invest in blinders or rose colored glasses.

Edrina Spellweaver

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

The Black Blades

Mo/E

15 May 2006 at 08:20 - 166

As for further clarification:

Yes I agree that the idea is that the controling alliance can do as they wish with the exclusive area. While I don't particularly approve of TC's choice to open The Deep to all, if they are the controling alliance, it is their right to do so. It may have not been Anet's intention for The Deep to be alliance only, but we would like some semblance of exclusiveness, and have established our rules and parameters to do as such. We have earned that right. If people do not approve, let them gain enough faction to put us out of power. That's why there is faction decay, so you can't just amass a huge quantity of faction and sit on top forever. Control is an active process, and only a dedicated and large alliance can hope to achieve.

P.S. I don't want to seem as though I am egging you on, but if you want Cavalon, come and claim it.

TheEPIC

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

In my bed

Onslaught of Xen

W/E

15 May 2006 at 08:37 - 167

I don't quite see why people would get all upset that TC (Yes I am a member of the TC alliance and therefore am a little biased in that way) let so many people into The Deep. So what if they are all "noobs?" Everyone has to start somewhere. Also, if you really wanted to beat this mission, then wouldn't you naturally set up a group of people and go at it rather than getting random pick ups? It is just the same as Heroes' Ascent. People who seek to succeed wont just take whoever tries to add themself to the party. Heck, the same even stands for FoW and UW groups.

Also, I'd think that letting the deep be opened to the community would create a knowledge base in the community for the "noobs" to draw from. If there are people experienced in the mission who are willing to help others (and there are), then sooner or later the number of "noobs" thins out.

My personal experience with the deep was pretty awesome I'd have to say. A group of my guildies and alliance members along with some PUGs and myself went in a couple of times and refined our build and had a blast. Honestly, people need to be a little more light-hearted about a game. I found it hilarious when our party would wipe and someone would attempt some ridiculously off the wall tactic.

Anyways, (I know I deviated from my point) it isn't that hard to organize a group for these elite missions if you want to succeed. So the argument that letting everyone in lets too many "noobs" in is just ridiculous. If you get a "noob" in your group and it ruins your attempt on the mission, well you only have yourself to blame.

Lastly, since we owned the town, we could do whatever we wanted with it. So guess what... we did. And what we wanted was to let everyone have a shot. Suck it up guys.

thunderpower

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Europe

KiSS

15 May 2006 at 08:41 - 168

I will leave all my chars there, thanks to TC i got them all in.

And unless I`m really bored of farming that area, I WONT LEAVE.

Shanaeri Rynale

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

DVDF(Forums)

Me/N

15 May 2006 at 09:18 - 169

Anyone else getting tired of this BB vs TC thing?

We should be putting pressure on AN to change things and solve the root of the problems rather than focussing on the results.

As it stands atm all I read is a community as each others throats, when in fact it should be making polite, well reasoned arguments to the developers to get rid of this madness.

Even if you think the faction system is ok, you cannot deny that it has harmed the game and it's community greatly. Time to call a ceasefire imho and work towards getting the thing fixed and wounds bandaged up.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

15 May 2006 at 09:23 - 170

No kidding. One of the reasons I don't do PvP is elitism. Those types usually kept away from PvE, now we have to deal with them.

Daktarins Bane

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2006

Weak

N/Mo

15 May 2006 at 11:32 - 171

Oldmantime i think you misunderstood my post. I never said that the elite mission was impossible or that anyone wasn't good enough for it. I purely stated, because its more difficult than most parts of the game, that i would rather play it with people i know and trust as opposed to complete strangers who could possibly do something such as rage-quit.

At no point did i, or as far as i know anyone in the black blades ever say "We are too 1337 for you", we were pleased to be #1 in the faction race yes, but we never had dillusions of that making us the best GW players in the world ever.

As previously stated, Cavalon is there to be taken to do what you will with it, we urge you to challenge us for control.

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 11:59 - 172

When does a reward become not a reward? When everyone gets it.

But much of the reason that I disagree with this is because you are not helping anyone. You say you are being kind and helping them, but bringing them to the Deep when they have not earned it is not helping them.

If someone is sitting on the couch and won't get up and you keep bringing him food, that is not helping him. If you keep bringing him food then he'll never force himself to get up and get it himself.

Giving things away free when they were not free only makes them become dependant on you, which is not a good thing. As humans we should strive for independancy, and as team members we should strive for interdependancy. Interdependancy is not the same thing as dependancy.

It is obvious that all of these people that claim they must have everything free to survive have been spoiled in real life, maybe they did get everything easily. But that doesn't mean that lifestyle has to continue in this game.

Fenrir

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ireland

The Dragon Lineage

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 12:06 - 173

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Originally Posted by Kariston The Swift

So what you're saying is you don't like the expansion at all because of that one little aspect? I'm just going to end it there and go to sleep with a smile of amusement on my face.

If you imagine factions currently having the difficulty of pre-searing, then picture being stuck there because you are being denied access to the only areas that 'might' provide a challenge, maybe you'll have a better idea why this 'one little aspect' is so important to so many people.

I ask you, where is the repeatable end game content for the rest of us?

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 12:25 - 174

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If you imagine factions currently having the difficulty of pre-searing, then picture being stuck there because you are being denied access to the only areas that 'might' provide a challenge, maybe you'll have a better idea why this 'one little aspect' is so important to so many people.

Erm... dude... you're not cutting out one little aspect, you're cutting out practically the entire game... Cutting out one mission and cutting out everything after pre-searing are completely different matters.

Please, post something that actually has relevance.

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

15 May 2006 at 12:25 - 175

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Originally Posted by Fenrir

I ask you, where is the repeatable end game content for the rest of us?

Oh it's there... it's called the Luxon Supplies Quest or the Kurzick Duelist Quest. ANet intends you to repeat that content ad inifinitum.

</sarcasm>

Oldmantime

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ireland

The dragon lineage

N/R

15 May 2006 at 12:45 - 176

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Originally Posted by Fenrir

I ask you, where is the repeatable end game content for the rest of us?

EXACTLY my problem

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Oh it's there... it's called the Luxon Supplies Quest or the Kurzick Duelist Quest. ANet intends you to repeat that content ad inifinitum.

hahahahha genius

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Originally Posted by Daktarins Bane

As previously stated, Cavalon is there to be taken to do what you will with it, we urge you to challenge us for control.

In all honesty I'd rather not, I started playing Guild wars because I didn't want a constant grind, and to take control of the capitals IS just a constant grind, not my idea of fun nor are the actions that people take to gain control of the towns actions that should be rewarded.

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

Erm... dude... you're not cutting out one little aspect, you're cutting out practically the entire game... Cutting out one mission and cutting out everything after pre-searing are completely different matters.

Please, post something that actually has relevance.

Maybe you didn't understand what was meant. Factions = too easy

Buoyancy

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 13:42 - 177

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

When does a reward become not a reward? When everyone gets it.

Wrong, idiot. That's only the case if the person getting the reward has a mental block, and realizes that they have wasted their time "working" on a game, but don't want to admit it to the world. Quite frankly, those people should go kill themselves, because they are worthless.

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But much of the reason that I disagree with this is because you are not helping anyone. You say you are being kind and helping them, but bringing them to the Deep when they have not earned it is not helping them.

Did they buy the game? Then they earned the right to enter every single mission in the game.

Fenrir

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ireland

The Dragon Lineage

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 13:51 - 178

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jagflame

Erm... dude... you're not cutting out one little aspect, you're cutting out practically the entire game... Cutting out one mission and cutting out everything after pre-searing are completely different matters.

Please, post something that actually has relevance.

Perhaps a re-read is in order?

I was implying (through exageration) that Factions, as it stands, is far too easy, so we might as well be stuck in pre-searing ie. no challenge, no repeatable quests.

Quite frankly those that 'grind' for control of the cities and the '1337' missions are the very people who are ill equipped to actually handle them.

If you want to reward grind, give them something shiny and completely useless. A weapons crafter with unique skins for the holders only? A special armour crafter? (all customized of course) But rewarding grind with challenging pve content is just nonsensical!

Sir Mad

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Moe's Pub

Pigs Can Fly [Pigs]

R/

15 May 2006 at 14:06 - 179

I dont agree at all. First off, the only repetable quests in Prophecy are in UW/FoW, ie: in a place that is NOT a prophecy place but a core place.

2/ I think you can't say getting the title of protector of Cantha is not a challange - the same goes for Aurios Mines mission and the like. You may not like this stuff, but it's definitly a challenge.

3/ I wouldn't be against some kind of reward system if this system was fair with everyone, and if everyone had a chance to actually earn the reward, provided he's skilled enough. It's not the case, and you know it as I do.

Oldmantime

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ireland

The dragon lineage

N/R

15 May 2006 at 15:10 - 180

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

I dont agree at all. First off, the only repetable quests in Prophecy are in UW/FoW, ie: in a place that is NOT a prophecy place but a core place.

2/ I think you can't say getting the title of protector of Cantha is not a challange - the same goes for Aurios Mines mission and the like. You may not like this stuff, but it's definitly a challenge.

3/ I wouldn't be against some kind of reward system if this system was fair with everyone, and if everyone had a chance to actually earn the reward, provided he's skilled enough. It's not the case, and you know it as I do.

never heard of tombs or sorrows?

and it IS a prophecies place, it came with prophecies, therefore adding a new entrance to it means it's not a new area

and anyway the problem is FACTIONS BEGINS AT LEVEL 20! there is no actual levelling up your characters in Cantha, doing all the quests on the noob island and slaughtering a few enemies will get you to level 20. there SHOULD have been high level areas added, there's nothing else to do

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

15 May 2006 at 15:17 - 181

I note that no one from Black Blades bothers to respond until they go the boot.

As for the communism and cheating carp I guess you should tell the United States, United Kingdom and Russia that they cheated to defeat Germany in WWII.

Fenrir

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Ireland

The Dragon Lineage

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 15:25 - 182

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

I dont agree at all. First off, the only repetable quests in Prophecy are in UW/FoW, ie: in a place that is NOT a prophecy place but a core place.

Technically correct, but really they should have added two more god areas if they want to claim its a stand alone game. Looks to me like they're leeching of Prophecies content.

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

2/ I think you can't say getting the title of protector of Cantha is not a challange - the same goes for Aurios Mines mission and the like. You may not like this stuff, but it's definitly a challenge.

Quite frankly the time bonuses in the Canthan missions are a joke, but that's another topic. Challenging to rush wammo style through a mission... sure, why not. Going over old areas at a faster pace. Class. Moneys worth there.

Aurios 'mission' is a big bag of yawn. Been there, done that. Move along. PvP in disguise if you ask me. I have just as much fun killing Zaishen.... over and over and over.

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Originally Posted by Sir Mad

3/ I wouldn't be against some kind of reward system if this system was fair with everyone, and if everyone had a chance to actually earn the reward, provided he's skilled enough. It's not the case, and you know it as I do.

Agreed. Honestly I think the first step would be to remove those repeatable faction quests (and add some more quests to the Luxon side to allow people to get 10k... why less quests there? :P).

Hopefully Anet will sort this mess out sometime soon

Cymboric Treewalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Imperial Palace - Cantha

[SFK] Sacred Forge Knights (founder)

Me/Mo

15 May 2006 at 15:50 - 183

I agree with the timed part of missions -- should have been completing a mission with NO deaths on the team or something.

heaven

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

15 May 2006 at 15:51 - 184

The root of all this mess is the lack of high-content for the general public after they finished the game. There are so many such high-content areas (UW/FOW, SF and Tomb) in Prophecy. Since elite missions are at the mercy of each individual holding alliance, it is inevitable that the vast majority of players will not be able to access elite missions at all. Anet needs to keep its fan base energized and "hooked" to Faction until the new chapter coming out. Otherwise, it will loose a lot of players due to the "boring factor".

By the way, TC is a wise choice of alliance name. You guys are definitely on a crusade for a greater good. The whole community should enjoy the game, not only a few "elite" farmers.

Think about it, can you enjoy the game if only 800 players play the game? Do the "precious" Zodiac stuffs have any value at all? UW/FOW, SF and Tomb are open to all players but their stuffs do not devalue by any mean. Actually, the openess in Prophecy created a healthy economy where everyone buying and selling stuffs they find all the time. Good luck in finding a group when most members are farming factions to keep their holding.

gabrial heart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Las Vegas

Beautiful Peoples Club [LIPO]

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 16:02 - 185

Being a member of The Crusaders alliance, i have to whole heartedly agree that the elite mission (given the alliance that holds it) should have the option to "ferry" folks over. From what i know about the black blades holding, this didn't and doesn't happen, which also is fine by me, but they won't be winning over anyone by keeping it secret.

Eventually, regardless of who holds cavalon or house zu heltzer, people that REALLY want to get into these elite missions WILL, those that are content with playing for a few hours a day to burn off some steam, may not, just as it was/is with fow/uw.

Although our alliance only held cavalon for a few days (due to 2 guilds not enjoying our ferrying policy and leaving) we managed to ferry over a very large amount of people to get to enjoy the deep mission and i am proud that we had that chance to do so.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

15 May 2006 at 17:15 - 186

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Originally Posted by Edrina Spellweaver

As for further clarification:

Yes I agree that the idea is that the controling alliance can do as they wish with the exclusive area. While I don't particularly approve of TC's choice to open The Deep to all, if they are the controling alliance, it is their right to do so. It may have not been Anet's intention for The Deep to be alliance only, but we would like some semblance of exclusiveness, and have established our rules and parameters to do as such. We have earned that right. If people do not approve, let them gain enough faction to put us out of power. That's why there is faction decay, so you can't just amass a huge quantity of faction and sit on top forever. Control is an active process, and only a dedicated and large alliance can hope to achieve.

Then it seems we are in total agreement. And, actually, I think both of the two alliances' leaderships are in agreement as far as that the controlling alliance should make the decision as to who to let in. Although some members (on each side) are not quite in line, but I guess that is to be expected.

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Originally Posted by Edrina Spellweaver

P.S. I don't want to seem as though I am egging you on, but if you want Cavalon, come and claim it.

No problem - that is the design of the game. I don't particularly like it, but we are forced to deal with it, unless and until ANet changes it. I must say, these past few days have been entertaining in a way much deeper than I have experienced in my last few months of Guild Wars.

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 21:00 - 187

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never heard of tombs or sorrows?

Both of which came out long after the release of Prophecies.

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Wrong, idiot. That's only the case if the person getting the reward has a mental block, and realizes that they have wasted their time "working" on a game, but don't want to admit it to the world. Quite frankly, those people should go kill themselves, because they are worthless.

I didn't really get anything out of that much less understand what you're trying to say. But I will elaborate on the point I was making. If everyone gets a reward for free then is not a reward, if you disagree I suppose you think oxygen is a reward for being born or something.

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Technically correct, but really they should have added two more god areas if they want to claim its a stand alone game. Looks to me like they're leeching of Prophecies content.

Stand-alone does not mean that it is as good or better than the original, it merely implies that it can run by itself. Which it obviously can.

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In all honesty I'd rather not, I started playing Guild wars because I didn't want a constant grind, and to take control of the capitals IS just a constant grind, not my idea of fun nor are the actions that people take to gain control of the towns actions that should be rewarded.

If you don't like it then don't participate in it. It's not that big of a part of the game and it is very easy to have fun without it.

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Did they buy the game? Then they earned the right to enter every single mission in the game.

No, they have the right to be able to earn access to every mission, not to instantly access it. Which everyone does, it's not like you buy the game and it says "Oops sorry, you can't own Cavalon because we don't like your computer". It just doesn't hand it to you because that defeats the entire purpose. What is the point of playing a game that you've unlocked everything in it as soon as you buy it?

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

15 May 2006 at 21:39 - 188

I don't know why people are still arguing along "we deserve access" line. Whenever they do that, someone says "you have to earn it."

I believe the issue here is not that everyone wants to hop into the 'elite' mission right after popping out of the monastary, it's that Anet's idea of "earning" it is a poor one, and that making access to missions exclusive is another poor idea.

Raiin Maker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

England

Blood On The Worlds Hands

W/

15 May 2006 at 21:45 - 189

dont worry about getting into the elite missions, as soon as the TC alliance get cavalon again they will be letting anyone join them.

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 21:48 - 190

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I believe the issue here is not that everyone wants to hop into the 'elite' mission right after popping out of the monastary, it's that Anet's idea of "earning" it is a poor one, and that making access to missions exclusive is another poor idea.

No, the idea in this thread is whether or not they should get it without earning it, because the entire thread is based on TC giving people free access.

UndeadRoadkill

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

15 May 2006 at 22:09 - 191

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

No, the idea in this thread is whether or not they should get it without earning it, because the entire thread is based on TC giving people free access.

And the root of the problem is that the system didn't make much sense in the first place. I think whether or not players who didn't spend a bunch of hours performing repetative tasks are getting in isn't what people should be concerned about.

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 22:28 - 192

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And the root of the problem is that the system didn't make much sense in the first place. I think whether or not players who didn't spend a bunch of hours performing repetative tasks are getting in isn't what people should be concerned about.

Well, I disagree with having to farm to get also, but that doesn't mean everyone should have free access.

But on the other hand I can see where AreaNet was coming from when they made this. High level PvE areas have always been mainly used for farming. Since this would logically appeal to players that enjoy farming, would it not make sense to set the route to gain access to be by farming?

floplag

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

SoCal

Gamerz United

Me/N

15 May 2006 at 22:29 - 193

a few comments...

anything that limits any part of the game to a small percentage of the players is wrong, period, unless ANet is planning on giving the rest of us a rebate

anytime PvP affects PvE its wrong. it certainly doesnt go the other way, so dont shove things down the throats of PvE players that have no desire to take part in PvP

any guild that thinks that have the right to "selectivly" choose who gets to take part, is arragant and assinine. you dont know every player in the game to make that call. what that really means is whoever pays us the most.

anytime large "pay to be a member" guilds are given such a massive advantage over the smaller guilds that pride themselves on personal skills and getting to know each other .. its really skews the intention of a game that is supposed to promote cooperative play

so i say to those that welcome outsiders without string, congrats.. you represent what this game is supposed to be about and are the kind of alliance others should strive to be or join. to those that charge, or practice an elitist position... you..well ... momma always said if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all

Rogmar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

W/

15 May 2006 at 22:43 - 194

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Originally Posted by floplag

anytime large "pay to be a member" guilds are given such a massive advantage over the smaller guilds that pride themselves on personal skills and getting to know each other .. its really skews the intention of a game that is supposed to promote cooperative play

No one pays to get into our alliance...Atleast not over 100gp (Invitation Fee)

Jagflame

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Illinois

Yours, maybe? Drop me a line.

N/Me

15 May 2006 at 22:45 - 195

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anytime PvP affects PvE its wrong. it certainly doesnt go the other way, so dont shove things down the throats of PvE players that have no desire to take part in PvP

Well, although I completely disagree with that comment, all I will say is that has no relevance to this topic. PvP does not affect the city control at all, except that it is possible to earn luxon/kurzick faction through Alliance battles. However, Alliance battles are not a very fast way to gain faction.

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anything that limits any part of the game to a small percentage of the players is wrong, period, unless ANet is planning on giving the rest of us a rebate

So I suppose high rated GvG battles are wrong? There will always be content that not everyone will access, because having everything thrown at you defeats the purpose of the game. It is possible for any player to earn their way to the elite mission.

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anytime large "pay to be a member" guilds are given such a massive advantage over the smaller guilds that pride themselves on personal skills and getting to know each other .. its really skews the intention of a game that is supposed to promote cooperative play

If you are referring to BkBd, then you are mistaken. They do not require their members to farm faction. In fact, if even half of their members got over 10k a day they would have much more faction than they do currently. 500 members getting 10k faction a day is 5 million faction per day. BkBd as they stand have only around 9 million.

floplag

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

SoCal

Gamerz United

Me/N

15 May 2006 at 23:12 - 196

Rogmar,
fair enough ,what do you require of them to maintain membership ?
you may or may not do any of these things.. i dont know you to know.. but we all know many of the top allainces/guilds do force members to donate plat for factions points to remain a member. or do in fact charge to become part of the guild.

JagFlame,
you contradict yourself .. if faction points can be earned though PvP, then they do in fact affect PvE city control since thats what its based on. it may not be fast, it may be quite fast .. ive seen people gain alot of faction very quickly in PvP battles. are high level GvG battles wrong .. no, but they also dont affect PvE and are eanred through skill, not sheer numbers of faction farming. perhaps they dont require members to farm, or do others things .. though we all know many do... in any case, 500 members ? call me crazy, but my idea of a guild is a group of players that are friends, and know each other .. not a bunch of people im talking to or seeing names of wondering who the heck that guy is. thats just me and my personal opinion... but im entitles to that. it also means my guild of a close kniot 20-30 members will nenver know, doesnt it ? but, i wouldnt trade them for any of it.

BigTru

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

15 May 2006 at 23:17 - 197

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

It is possible for any player to earn their way to the elite mission.

Just to clear something up, by "earn" you mean grind through mindless quests/runs over, and over, and over again? All of which take no real skill.

The reason I bought Guild Wars in the first place is because it claimed to reward player skill, not hours played. Gaile Gray seems to be avoiding this, despite the fact that it is plain as day that these "faction wars" has nothing to do with player skill, but how many hours you clock intothe game.

floplag

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

SoCal

Gamerz United

Me/N

15 May 2006 at 23:25 - 198

2 simple questions....

is it possible for an individual or small guild like mine to gain access to the entire map ?

did we pay the same price for the game ?

and please dont even try to say it has anything to do with skill. sheer volume FTW, lol

samifly

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Girl Power [GP]

Mo/Me

15 May 2006 at 23:28 - 199

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

So I suppose high rated GvG battles are wrong? There will always be content that not everyone will access, because having everything thrown at you defeats the purpose of the game. It is possible for any player to earn their way to the elite mission.

Well... I can still participate in a GvG game...theres no barriers, just get a group of 8 or get an invite. This requires me to get into a large alliance. The top ladder teams only have a few players not 500-1000 range.

floplag

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

SoCal

Gamerz United

Me/N

15 May 2006 at 23:30 - 200

it should be eanred by meeting a minimum faction level .. not by kissing the arse of the guild that controls it. noone would argue that .. as is its letting the lunatics run the asylum