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Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 15:59 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Between the eggnogs, absinthes, rice wines, etc., there's one tab we truly need beyond all others.

Liquor cabinet.

i called it a beverage tab 2 posts up so the parents wouldnt freak

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Jul 2006 at 16:58 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Yes, if you do 2 stacks of 250, that's exactly 2 bytes. But if you do one stack of 500, that's 2^9=512, which is 9 bits. If you round that up to 2 bytes, you will have wasted 7 bits.

Heh, I plan to have stacks of multiple materials. I think there're 20 or so materials right now, so that 20 bytes per person, which is 200 gigs. Plus ANet likes to keep backup copies and so forth

Yes, if they were to allow people to go over 250, the next logical cutoff would be 64-65,000 (the exact number would be 65,536 if I remember correctly.....theres no calculator here to double check with and my coffee hasn't been properly absorbed enough to redo it in my head). Not that they would have to let all those bits be used, mind you, but any that were not usable would be forfeit. When you consider that, it's pretty much all or just a little where materials are concerned...

On the other hand, 1 million bytes is not a gig of information...it's more like a meg, so you guys are off there. assuming they gave us each unlimited (65,000) materials storage space for 35 materials, that's still only 70 bytes per person. Add another byte for object definition, hell, let's judt add 2 just in case, and you get an additional 140 bytes of storage per account. Assuming the definitions we are using are correct and it only takes 2 bytes to define an object and 2 bytes to define the quantity of that object, it would still only be adding a total of less than 280M (yes, Megabytes) of disk space if they let us keep near unlimited materials. I have an episode of Lost on my computer that takes up more space that what that would be. You could fit 110 times that ammount of information on a $250 ipod.

Guys, hard drive space is not an issue in this day and age. It's not an issue for the users, and it's less than a non-issue for the companies. At less than $1 per gigabyte and dropping in value every day, it will never be an issue again. You can buy 100 gigs of space for the price of Guild Wars if you buy hard drives in bulk from Seagate.

I think they just don't want us to hoard everything. Plain and simple. They give us what storage they give us so that we can hold a bunch but not everything we want.

I don't think it's bandwidth. I know it's not disk space. It's most likely a choice of play style that A.Net made long ago....plain and simple.

Maria The Princess

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Aequitas Deis

13 Jul 2006 at 17:14 - 243

IMO, any thing is good right now.........

but i would prefer a separate storage for custumised items, weps, armor, cuz my ranger got 5 sets ATM, and its taking waaaaaaaaaay too much place

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

13 Jul 2006 at 17:21 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

On the other hand, 1 million bytes is not a gig of information...it's more like a meg, so you guys are off there.

Oops, didn't even catch that, boy, I'm feeling stupid now

Cash

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Bound By Wild Desire [Wild]

13 Jul 2006 at 20:33 - 245

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

Yes, if they were to allow people to go over 250, the next logical cutoff would be 64-65,000 (the exact number would be 65,536 if I remember correctly.....theres no calculator here to double check with and my coffee hasn't been properly absorbed enough to redo it in my head).

its about time they gave me a place to store my 65,536 ectos

in all seriousness tho, im definately for an increase in stack size, and if it can go up to 65k without wasting any space, so be it. as has been said many times before, 250 is just an odd number to have as far as (non-rare) crafting materials go. sure, the slot for 250 will help, but anyone who stores these keeps at least enough to craft a full set of armor (and that takes more than 250). ANET may not want us hoarding materials this way, but i dont think it would really hurt anything if some people DID end up with tons and tons of crafting materials.

Thorin Monk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

UMBC

Mo/N

13 Jul 2006 at 20:41 - 246

im still pulling for one day when they let you put more then 1000k in storage

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

13 Jul 2006 at 20:45 - 247

I don't store materials all that much, so I don't know if I'll really use the new storage option. More general storage would have really been what I desired.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

13 Jul 2006 at 21:32 - 248

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorin Monk

im still pulling for one day when they let you put more then 1000k in storage

You and every other ebay seller.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

13 Jul 2006 at 21:36 - 249

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

You and every other ebay seller.

Aww, come on, that was a bit uncalled for. I myself have over 1 mil, and I've worked hard for every gold piece

Thorin Monk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

UMBC

Mo/N

14 Jul 2006 at 00:54 - 250

HTML Code:

Originally Posted by Omega X
You and every other ebay seller.

once you have 2100 hours, and the ability to farm and run any area in the game, you can come back to talk to me, many people have much more the 1000k because we know the market, where to farm, and how to maximize our profit. just because you havent figured out how to make money in guild wars doesnt mean that everyone that has money is an ebayer

CmOo_WtFaCk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Warriors of Apathy

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 00:59 - 251

I wonder how the ebay sellers get all that gold to sell?

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 01:08 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Aww, come on, that was a bit uncalled for. I myself have over 1 mil, and I've worked hard for every gold piece

/signed. With 6 toons I'm often hovering just below 1600 plats, and it's not a lot of fun having to tell your farming partner you gotta go buy a couple ectos (which in itself can be frustrating) and you'll be back as soon as you can. Although honestly, if they raised it to say 2000 plats, I'd just be saving up to that.

But the reason I wanted to post is to say....

so......yeah.......Anet......any day now......would be great.........

titan0987

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Houston, TX

Siege Turtles

14 Jul 2006 at 03:54 - 253

All of you complaining about only 1 stack, THERES 34 SLOTS, do you honestly carry around 34 different types of materials? I mean seriously....

And another way to look at the limits of 1 stack..:
If your being a packrat and just storing materials for ever and ever... there's less of a market for the materials, im pretty sure Anet would like to see a current and active market for the materials, instead of them sitting in some storage thing to become lost.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

14 Jul 2006 at 04:56 - 254

I'm a packrat... how hard are wood, bones and stones to find? You can find them just outside Sardelac and have 250 in no time at all... not even worth storing. Yet until my storage became critical I had 1000 of each...

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

14 Jul 2006 at 05:01 - 255

its here.......!

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

14 Jul 2006 at 05:10 - 256

aye...

but my Factions CD isn't here till tomorrow so

pthttpt to you all.

Legion Magnus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Legion Magnus

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 05:18 - 257

A whopping 250x max per material item across all chars? Not impressed. I recognize and like that progress has been made, but ANet could do so much more ...

bigwig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Nova Scotia

#Dismantle

14 Jul 2006 at 05:49 - 258

its plenty. i'm happy. thanks anet.

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 05:59 - 259

I'm just waiting for the complaints to come pouring in about the earth-shattering 300g we have to pay to unlock it for our accounts in full.

I like this update, I have plenty more materials than the storage can hold but hey- it's more space nonetheless.

Havoc of PhoeniX

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

England, UK.

Don't Leave a Message After The [Beep]

R/E

14 Jul 2006 at 06:08 - 260

Cleared a good 12 Slots of my storage so im not complaining, though i would prefer largers stacks in the materials tab, im content with this =)

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

14 Jul 2006 at 06:30 - 261

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

I'm just waiting for the complaints to come pouring in about the earth-shattering 300g we have to pay to unlock it for our accounts in full.

I like this update, I have plenty more materials than the storage can hold but hey- it's more space nonetheless.

I'm first then.
It would have been frickin' nice of Anet to at least mention that in the game updates. I hate feeling like I've been cheated. Yeah, I know it's only 50g, but to me, it's the principle of the thing. I thought you paid once to unlock it for your account, so I paid from my ele who doesn't carry any materials, then logged in to my mule and was faced with the Xunlai agent asking for more money. Felt like telling her to get a real job! Blasted beggars. lmao

Kaguya

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Moon

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 06:33 - 262

I'm happy. My storage box is pretty empty now, since all the non-full crafting material stacks were filling it. Now I gotta figure out what I want to store in all that shiny space I got.

Opeth11

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Richmond, British Columbia, Kanada

Demon of the Fall [Opet]

Mo/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 06:49 - 263

I can store..uh..weapons in there!

Sai of Winter

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

[ale]

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 06:56 - 264

Eh...the storage upgrade was okay. Helped me cleared up some inventory/storage space

It's a good start! Now for armor and weapon storage...

Caleb

Nil nisi malis terrori.

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 07:03 - 265

My regular storage now has only 4 things in it, I like the upgraded material storage!

disarm76

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Portugal

14 Jul 2006 at 07:29 - 266

Shadow of Light

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Australia

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 07:47 - 267

I'm generally happy with the storage update. I tend to keep all the materials I collect/salvage, as they're always useful to someone. That said, it's freed up a lot of space for my characters--but not as much as I would have liked. As I'm sure has been stated already, I would have preferred a set number of spaces in which to store ANY material (even in only stacks of up to 250) rather than one space allocated for each separate material. I'm never going to be carrying around 250 glass vials, but 1,000 tanned hide squares, or iron ingots, or cloth, can be necessary for many kinds of armour. Those 0 Glass Vials, 0 Vials of Ink, 0 Rubies etc could have been holding my 750 planks of wood right now, heh.

Guess it's time to turn some of that into parchment...

Still, *some* freed storage is preferable to none, so I'm happy in that respect.

The (possibly?) best part of this is that I can stop flipping through my characters to move materials around.

I'm actually against having vast amounts of general storage available. With 6 characters available (through Factions), all bags maxed out, that's quite a bit of space already. I find it a little funny that people go out and buy a second account to increase that storage, heh. But I don't play GW to collect every single green item out there, or craft every single piece of armour. *shrug* "Gotta catch 'em all" doesn't do it for me.

Anyhoo, thanks Anet

Scarlett Romanov

Guest

Join Date: Jul 2005

Me/

14 Jul 2006 at 08:17 - 268

I suppose this update is better than nothing. Atleast Anet is attempting to do something about the storage problem. However, I do hope in the future that they come up with a more plausible storage solution.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

14 Jul 2006 at 08:22 - 269

meh im still waiting for an armor tab or weapons tab. then i finally will have room in storage for other things.

Crimson Ashwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

Angels of Cthulhu

N/

14 Jul 2006 at 08:34 - 270

Is there a charge for the Materials Vault? Will the Xunlai Agent ask for another fee?

There is no additional cost for storage in either real-world or game world currency.

???

I don't care about 50g, but why say one thing and do another thing...?

Feminist Terrorist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Oh Noes! The 'burbs!

14 Jul 2006 at 08:37 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crimson Ashwood

Is there a charge for the Materials Vault? Will the Xunlai Agent ask for another fee?

There is no additional cost for storage in either real-world or game world currency.

???

I don't care about 50g, but why say one thing and do another thing...?

Excellent question. Should have been mentioned in the update notes.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

14 Jul 2006 at 09:52 - 272

it also sucks that i have to pay for each character to be able to access this and just what the hell is my pvp only char goign to do with a materials tab????

Eet GnomeSmasher

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2005

In my head

14 Jul 2006 at 09:55 - 273

Well, I appreciate the extra storage even if others don't. It really helped free a ton of space for me.

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

14 Jul 2006 at 10:03 - 274

Most people appriciate it, but I agree about the cost thing. I wouldn't have minded if the website hadn't mentioned a cost, and then there was one, but it specifically said their WOULDN'T be a cost, and now there is :/

It won't help me much anyway, maybe just one or two slots. Most of my storage is full of Absinthe + Eggnogg

darrylhaines

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Freedom Of Midnight

E/

14 Jul 2006 at 10:51 - 275

My Monk will now be able to walk about a bit easier now, not having to worry about carrying all my materials lol.

Anet are crafty making this a factions only thing.

If you want it with prof you need to buy factions and merge your accounts with only give you 6 slots for 8 classes. Anet makes money.

If you want 1 slot for each class and have the storage feature you will then have to buy 2 additional slots. Anet makes more money.

Anet, why don't you just tell us what your planning, it's not like we can't see through your oh so feeble attempt to get more money from us.

Hengis

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

London

Better Than Life (BTL)

R/

14 Jul 2006 at 11:07 - 276

Has anyone thought how this may or may not affect the price of materials at the traders?

Obviously with most players having space to store materials, less materials will be sold to the merchant.. but also less people will be buying?. Will the effects cancel each other out? Will the price still rise though as Tyrian only characters will not have this extra space?

Just wondering..

Scroz

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

14 Jul 2006 at 11:21 - 277

Looking at the picture of the materials storage, how (and why) would Anet even implement an armor or weapons tab? This tab was meant specifically to hold things that stack together. At this point you're just asking for more storage space, but a dye, key, scroll, and possibly a holiday items tab (pretty much anything that stacks together that you can think of) could be easily done.

Sjeng

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

in my GH

Limburgse Jagers [LJ]

W/

14 Jul 2006 at 11:21 - 278

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrylhaines

My Monk will now be able to walk about a bit easier now, not having to worry about carrying all my materials lol.

Anet are crafty making this a factions only thing.

If you want it with prof you need to buy factions and merge your accounts with only give you 6 slots for 8 classes. Anet makes money.

If you want 1 slot for each class and have the storage feature you will then have to buy 2 additional slots. Anet makes more money.

Anet, why don't you just tell us what your planning, it's not like we can't see through your oh so feeble attempt to get more money from us.

As has been said MANY times before: Anet needs to make money like this, because they have NO monthly fees. What's wrong with that? I think they're doing well.
But I totally agree that the storage should have been added to ALL players, with or without Factions, because it is NOT considered to be content, for which it's logical to have to pay.
They've been unclear on things, and now people are disappointed. also been clarified lots of times here.
Just hope Anet has learned from this, or they are gonna lose more players.

TalonTheCat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Black Cat Guild

Mo/

14 Jul 2006 at 12:39 - 279

I have factions - I am not seeing the new storage tab

Edit: Nevermind - didn't realize I had to talk to someone other than my normal storage agent.

Xenrath

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

W/Me

14 Jul 2006 at 12:52 - 280

Managed to free up some space, my poor old mesmer was becoming a pack horse with materials.

I'd like to see the 250 limit removed from the materials storage though, so you can merge multiple stacks of materials into one spot e.g. if you have 4+ stacks of wood or iron (not uncommon if you salvage most drops) you can put the whole lot into storage instead of just one stack.

It could be done in such a way that you can only withdraw stacks of 250 (maximum) but deposit more than 250. This gets around having multiple stacks of the same material on a character.

The event items tab should really also be added because if you're a collector (and just have one of each) it soon adds up. Especially if you get hats for each other character too.

edit: in fact, why is there even a 250 limit to begin with? Why not just scrap that limit...