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Legion Magnus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Nov 2005

Legion Magnus

W/

04 Jul 2006 at 10:01 - 201

IMO, ANet is/was grudgingly providing more storage space, albeit specialized, because they do not want to encourage people to store items. They wish to control the game economy, and in one means, by forcing people to sell/salvage items. Also, from a technology standpoint, I suspect there is a real world IT cost to 'track' everyone's items. The ability to keep up with all these unique items has got to have a server processing/storage impact.

Controlling the economy is another reason why I believe ANet continues to introduce gold sinks, like the current Festival Games. I 'lost' more than enough gold (and not nearly as much as many, many others) to the games and prizes over the last few days. My own choice, but I think ANet was wanting to circulate some platinum ... I'm clearly no economist but I get the feeling they want some gold to disappear (yeah, I know matter can't be destroyed, just transformed - yep, not a physicist either).

Furthermore, (call me a cynic) I can see a day when GW offers you more space, for a $ fee, just like new character slots. Other than to satisfy the hue and cry of many customers, I don't think they believe its in their best interest to open up a lot of free space.

Again, just my opinion, and I reserve the right to be wrong.

P.S. Just to clarify my position, I want more space (and a better way to organize my stuff).

shadowfell

hamonite anur ruk

Join Date: Jan 2006

Echovald Forest

[PhD] Teh Academy

Me/A

04 Jul 2006 at 12:03 - 202

New method of storage, is a change in mechanics, as it changes the way the something works, in this case, storage. It is not, new "content". It is not an instance, it is not new armors..It is merely a new way of using storage.

Jeff Strain fibbed.

Fist_of_God

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/W

04 Jul 2006 at 15:00 - 203

Extra storage is now defined as, "new content"..Loviatar is always kissing anet's a$$.

Siddious

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Knights Of The Rising Sun

04 Jul 2006 at 15:32 - 204

This is great. Its a very good start to fixing the storage but as many have said a armour tab would be very nice too maybe a dye tab. All in all gj anet.

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Now bring on the auction lol.

Theus

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

W/Mo

04 Jul 2006 at 15:35 - 205

Wanna know whats ironic?We get storage space for Rubies and Saphires,which have yet to even have a use since the beginning of guildwars,a material storage area was made before that.Wasn't there talk of Rubies and Saphires being used in Factions?I can vaguely remember either Gaile/Frog speaking about it.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

04 Jul 2006 at 16:20 - 206

The "storage upgrade" is typical Anet. They are more worried about the tiny percentage making RL money from the game having an easier time than they are about the needs of their honest players. If you have been playing for 14 months you are out of room.

Deadlyjunk

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Fisherman's Haven

Endangered Species List [List]

W/E

04 Jul 2006 at 21:11 - 207

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

Thank you ANET!

I'm not complaining, but I would like to second Lyra's comment. Armor tab FTW.

Armor tab indeed, my warrior at the moment can only pick up 10 items and only has weapons+armor in her inventory

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 21:23 - 208

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadowfell

New method of storage, is a change in mechanics, as it changes the way the something works, in this case, storage. It is not, new "content". It is not an instance, it is not new armors..It is merely a new way of using storage.

Jeff Strain fibbed.

It does seem ANet has gone back on their word on this one, in my opinion. There're numerous quotes by Jeff, James, Gaile, and Alex that indicate the storage update would be free "basic content" to owners of all chapters.

Mtank325

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

Crimson Blood Dragons [CBD]

12 Jul 2006 at 21:38 - 209

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

It does seem ANet has gone back on their word on this one, in my opinion. There're numerous quotes by Jeff, James, Gaile, and Alex that indicate the storage update would be free "basic content" to owners of all chapters.

Probably a long shot, but maybe this is just a Factions-only bonus, while a better general storage is being developed for the entire GW community?

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 21:40 - 210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mtank325

Probably a long shot, but maybe this is just a Factions-only bonus, while a better general storage is being developed for the entire GW community?

Nope, don't think that's going to be the case. Gaile posted specifically saying that this is going to be a trend in the future now. This won't apply to storage only either. So it's possible that we may see reconnects for chapter 3 only, and armor slots for chapter 4 only, and so forth.

Ranger Rog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

[TOG]

12 Jul 2006 at 22:15 - 211

I'm inclined to think that we might have to pay for future upgrades to storage or for things like auction houses, guild storage and reconnects etc. After all we know that paid for add-ons are in the pipeline, the first being extra character slots, and Anet are hardly going to give away the most requested upgrades for free when they are looking for ways to charge for extras. I hope I'm wrong though.

archangel04

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Avalon

N/Mo

12 Jul 2006 at 22:33 - 212

Chapter 3 should now include the following updates to storage.

New Tab for Dyes and new Tab for Keys! (maybe if we are lucky an increase of common materials holding to about 500 or better yet 1000)

that should really make people want to buy the 3rd chapter since the materials tab is an incentive it seems to make people buy factions. So come on Anet you know this is a good idea for gamers and for your marketing department.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 22:42 - 213

Quote:

Originally Posted by archangel04

that should really make people want to buy the 3rd chapter since the materials tab is an incentive it seems to make people buy factions. So come on Anet you know this is a good idea for gamers and for your marketing department.

The downside to this is that Prophecies-only players will not have access to these features. Some people in my guild weren't exactly very thrilled with this update being for Factions only. This would present a problem for people who decide to skip a chapter and find themselves deprived of a "basic feature".

Of course, if you buy every single chapter put out by ANet/NCSoft, this won't affect you one iota. But how many of us can honestly say that we will in fact buy every single chapter in the future?

You may want to see this thread for more information. It contains all the Gaile quotes on this topic.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

12 Jul 2006 at 22:44 - 214

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Nope, don't think that's going to be the case. Gaile posted specifically saying that this is going to be a trend in the future now. This won't apply to storage only either. So it's possible that we may see reconnects for chapter 3 only, and armor slots for chapter 4 only, and so forth.

I agree. The classic bait and wait syndrome. Never gets more redundant than that.

Anet: "We have what we promised but its a money making feature...let's bait them"
User: "Oh new feature! Aww, for the next chapter. Gotta get that."
Anet: "Mwhuhahaha! mo' money, mo' money."
Store: "*Chaching* Thanks again"
Anet: "Got em!"
ANet: " They asked about that too. Let's wait for the next chapter. We'll blame it on the PvP tournament."

Rinse and repeat.

I'm not against Anet making money or anything, but if they are going to string standard features along like that. Then its time to move on. Most of them are standard on most MMOs, yet its taking GW forever to push them out, even after buying the games at full price. I'd rather pay a fee to a good MMO team than having to pay for this string along crap every 6 months.

relaxed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 22:54 - 215

mirroring some of the previous comments, i think that any additional storage capacity is a good thing. only thing i might suggest is to increase the stack sizes from 250 to 500 to maximize the benefits of this "upgrade".

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 22:59 - 216

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxed

only thing i might suggest is to increase the stack sizes from 250 to 500 to maximize the benefits of this "upgrade".

I don't think that's possible programmatically. Actually, lemme rephrase that, it's not economically feasible. 250 is very close to 256, which is 2^8, which is one byte. Increasing it to 500 would mean using 9 bits, which is rounded up to 2 bytes, which is not very efficient in terms of server storage space.

Anyway, I doubt this will happen because of the aforementioned reason, although I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do.

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 23:05 - 217

I can only hope they announced this addition long before they planned to implement it so they could guage the reaction of their playerbase and make changes to their initial plan accordingly.

Honestly, my trust in A.Net dissolved almost entirely after the whole idiotic 600% vs. 800% fiasco. A company is a lot like a Guild Wars Character in that regards, just like we only get one shot at the Survivor title, they only get one shot at the Honest title. Once they show us they can and will deceive us, everything they say from that moment on is taken with a grain of salt while we wait to see the Catch 22.

Well, I'll see what this storage ends up being when I see it and we will see if they manage to read this thread. I think everyone here would love to see tabs for multiple types of items but if it was a choice between storing materials and just having generic storage, I'm sure we would all choose generic....

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 23:06 - 218

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ranger Rog

I'm inclined to think that we might have to pay for future upgrades to storage or for things like auction houses, guild storage and reconnects etc. .

those are build specific covering all game chapters.

reconnects cover all in all chapters as does improved trading.

those were specified as free univerasl upgrades.

since guilds will have people with different chapters the guild stuff has to be covered as well.

battle isles and the guild islands are not tied to any chapter

Beat_Go_Stick

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

12 Jul 2006 at 23:07 - 219

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

those are build specific covering all game chapters.

reconnects cover all in all chapters as does improved trading.

those were specified as free univerasl upgrades.

since guilds will have people with different chapters the guild stuff has to be covered as well.

battle isles and the guild islands are not tied to any chapter

Xulani is also not tied to any chapter

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 23:13 - 220

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

I can only hope they announced this addition long before they planned to implement it so they could guage the reaction of their playerbase and make changes to their initial plan accordingly.

Me too. I think Gaile said something a while back about adding polls to their official Guild Wars site, but I haven't heard anything about it since. I think it would've definitely helped in this case.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 23:22 - 221

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

Xulani is also not tied to any chapter

and neither was it specified as a universal add on for Extra storage while the others were specifically stated as universal and free to all.

there is a difference

the reconnect/improved trading is a flat unambiguous statement while the storage is wide open to opinion as to what it means.

relaxed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 23:28 - 222

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

I don't think that's possible programmatically. Actually, lemme rephrase that, it's not economically feasible. 250 is very close to 256, which is 2^8, which is one byte. Increasing it to 500 would mean using 9 bits, which is rounded up to 2 bytes, which is not very efficient in terms of server storage space.

Anyway, I doubt this will happen because of the aforementioned reason, although I'd be pleasantly surprised if they do.

hmmm... perhaps i'm oversimplifying, but according to your calculations, wouldn't 2 stacks of 250 equal the same byte size as a stack of 500?

also, (excuse my programming ignorance here) it seems as though you're calculating a stack as 1+1+1+1...etc. until you get 250, equalling nearly a byte. wouldn't it make sense to store it as a numeric integer rather than a pile of 1s?

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

12 Jul 2006 at 23:34 - 223

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

and neither was it specified as a universal add on for Extra storage while the others were specifically stated as universal and free to all.

there is a difference

Here is a quote from Alex Weekes from NCSoft Europe:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Weekes

Factions is a major content release. If you think back (or read interviews from last year), you'll remember that it has been stated previously that content releases will usually be made via a campaign purchase.

...

Features such as improved trade mechanisms, storage and more are free updates. They'll be added to the game, at no cost, as soon as the individual features are ready.

I'll let you be the judge of that

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxed

hmmm... perhaps i'm oversimplifying, but according to your calculations, wouldn't 2 stacks of 250 equal the same byte size as a stack of 500?

Yes, if you do 2 stacks of 250, that's exactly 2 bytes. But if you do one stack of 500, that's 2^9=512, which is 9 bytes. If you round that up to 2 bytes, you will have wasted 7 bits.

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxed

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

Heh, I plan to have stacks of multiple materials. I think there're 20 or so materials right now, so that 20 bytes per person, which is 200 gigs. Plus ANet likes to keep backup copies and so forth

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 23:37 - 224

Quote:

Originally Posted by relaxed

finally, 1 byte over 2 million people adds up to about 2 gigs. not a tremendous amount of hd space or bandwidth imho.

2 stacks of 250=2 bytes.

2 stacks of 500=4 bytes

even an empty slot would take up that 2 bytes to display it.

this would not be only storage vault but every characters inventory in the game as well since the inventory has to match (byte wise)when you move things around.

milan

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

BONE

N/

12 Jul 2006 at 23:39 - 225

All these claims that Anet or a representative of Anet stated that this content would be universal to all chapters. Can someone please post a link to a post/chat session etc that states this?

So far I've seen comments on certain content being free but nobody as yet has been able to provide proof that the above statements were actually made.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

12 Jul 2006 at 23:45 - 226

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

I'll let you be the judge of that

thank you i will.

we have storage.

i interpret this additional as extra storage for people who have additional items to store that chapter 1 people dont.

these come to mind at a blink and i am sure there will be more.
tengu mask
dragon mask
rice wine
bean cakes
Cantha armor (5 pieces minimum one set)

what i want is an event items tab

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

13 Jul 2006 at 00:03 - 227

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loviatar

i interpret this additional as extra storage for people who have additional items to store that chapter 1 people dont.

Please keep in mind that this storage update adds additional storage for materials only. Only two new materials were introduced in Factions, namely Jadeit and Amber. The vast majority of materials are still pan-chapter, actually, you can even buy/sell Jadeit/Amber at the trader in Prophecies. I personally have a hard time justifying this for this particular reason.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 00:55 - 228

Quote:

Originally Posted by milias

Please keep in mind that this storage update adds additional storage for materials only. Only two new materials were introduced in Factions, namely Jadeit and Amber. The vast majority of materials are still pan-chapter, actually, you can even buy/sell Jadeit/Amber at the trader in Prophecies. I personally have a hard time justifying this for this particular reason.

this is true but having neither of the two materials mentioned i will still be able to move a stack of this and that freeing up about 10-12 slots which will let me use the general slots for the items mentioned plus a wee bit more.

with the above mentioned new armor/event items i am getting very cramped with only the original space.

and i think everybody could use an events tab for the goodies

Celdor Nailo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Mo/E

13 Jul 2006 at 00:59 - 229

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 01:14 - 230

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

it veries.

right now i am stocking up on the basic items that i will need for my chapter 3 armor plus a few stacks to sell if the price goes up again like last time

Ranger Rog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

UK

[TOG]

13 Jul 2006 at 08:11 - 231

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

At the moment I have 2 piles of crafting materials in my box (steel and wood), the rest is full of armor and weapons/mods and a couple of other random items. My crafting materials tend to stay on character until they reach stacks of 10 for the more common ones like iron & leather and then they go to the trader.

TalonTheCat

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

USA

Black Cat Guild

Mo/

13 Jul 2006 at 12:48 - 232

I haven't seen this (I own Factions) - so hopefully this hasn't been implimented yet, or I a missing out!

Vermilion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

NY

13 Jul 2006 at 13:00 - 233

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celdor Nailo

this is a good idea. too bad i don't have factions yet.

i'd like to ask everyone, how many piles of each crafting material do you keep in storage? one pile of 250? two or three piles? none?

The amount of a given material is directly related to how useful it is, in value or something else. Or, whatever drops the most. I have typically 2-3 stacks of wood and iron, but maybe 1 of everything else. Right now, I have a 1/4 stack of cloth to my name, as I had to sell it all to get my 15k.

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

13 Jul 2006 at 13:49 - 234

Yep, this means I will actually start using the salvage kit again

Used to be that I'd just buy any materials I needed, cos I don't want them taking up space in my inventory...

Suuk

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2005

the Netherlands

Lovers of Whisky and Women (LWW)

E/

13 Jul 2006 at 14:19 - 235

Too lazy to go through all pages...

When is this going to be implemented? Any idea?

milias

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Nov 2005

Defected back to America

Me/E

13 Jul 2006 at 14:24 - 236

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suuk

When is this going to be implemented? Any idea?

ANet said in a few weeks about two weeks ago. So if they're true to their word, it should be any time now.

DrSLUGFly

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

European Server or International

13 Jul 2006 at 14:50 - 237

sweet. As on page 1, I would rather have all purpose storage, but most of it would go to materials anyway so this is pretty cool... Now we just have to hope for Rune storage and Dye storage.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Jul 2006 at 14:56 - 238

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

sweet. As on page 1, I would rather have all purpose storage, but most of it would go to materials anyway so this is pretty cool... Now we just have to hope for Rune storage and Dye storage.

dont forget my event item storage.

and a beverage tab would be nice as well.

5 slots each for the non tea totalers amongst us

and the ability to dye drinks maybe

wsmcasey

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Right behind you.

HeRo

W/Rt

13 Jul 2006 at 15:05 - 239

Good thing I have Factions so I won't miss out on the update. I feel sorry for chapter1 only owners. Faction only owners will soon be treated as second class citizens after chapter 3 comes out, watch and see.

MSecorsky

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

Me/

13 Jul 2006 at 15:38 - 240

Between the eggnogs, absinthes, rice wines, etc., there's one tab we truly need beyond all others.

Liquor cabinet.