[MERGED] New Storage Options for Guild Wars

Other MMO's might have those things, but you're forgeting somthing. There is no monthly fee for GW and u DO NOT HAVE to buy the expansions for GW. Plus like wat MSecorsky said, u when and if u do decide to buy the expansion, it accually provides a lot of NEW content for the game, not some small town or somthin, which is probably the most you would get in any other MMO. Oh ya, and Arena Net has to make up somehow for the people not buying the expansions (I still don't really get why they wouldnt. I think it's way worth it....) so they have extra character slots you have to buy and stuff like that.

Thank you Anet!! .

..now we just need a dye,armor,rune,weapon,and event item tabs

Actually it buys new Servers, Patches, dungeons, items and skills. Just about the same as a 6 month GW installment.

To people who say dye tabs, stop it. How often do you NEED TO USE dye? Better yet, how often do you find them?

and only two are really worth hoarding if you're a trader, silver and black.

Good extension for my box and you have to start anywhere, or not?

Hopefully, by time, there will be some further improvements.

It dosen't bother me, but it is simply not fair to limit this extension to faction owner only.

ANet listen to your community, keep your promise, and change it.

You think that's bad I have over 3k of each. I have 2 characters just for storage of common material. I have more than enough for my entire GW life time so I never buy anything

It will be nice. At least they are trying to do something. I've noticed that the price on new event items never really get high because of the strain they put on your inventory.

And in some cases you don't even have to pay the monthly fee to play other MMO's. What is your point? Free inferiority is by nature superior to more costly competence? That's some cheap logic.

I hoard all dyes to make them available to guildies. (I am also a dye magnet, I seem to find at least one on each mission or quest that I do.) I appreciate this move by Anet, it will certainly lessen some load, however, I have one minor suggestion. For those who do not save certain materials, which may have a slot in the vault, couldn't it be tweaked to allow them to store more of another type that they do?

This update does nothing to help me. Personally, I don't see any merit in storing materials other than the really valuable ones (ecto, shards, amber, jade, etc.). If I want to save for armor, I spend a week or two and 2-3 slots, and do so. IMO, materials, collector's items, and dyes have never been worth saving, as they're so easy to obtain the small quantities you need (again, except the rares mentioned above and black dye). So, since I use all my slots for changing weapons and armor, I think this update was in the right spirit, but way off the mark.

Honestly, I think just addiing 4 or 5 spaces to existing accounts would have been about twice as successful as the soon to come change.

You took Gkaz's post out of context. He posted that after someone stated that you basicly do pay a monthly fee. If you buy every chapter it's about 10 bucks a month.


Anet can have a beta for anything they want, when they want. That includes after the game is released. Have a select crowd of people, and give them the update. Or test it on their own server. Infact they probly let the people onto their own server to test the update. Simple common sense. And besides, using the Factions population as test subjects is in NO WAY AT ALL common sense.(Especially after the scenario: "screwing up storage, so everyone's stuff goes away.")

They're called Alpha Testers, and they've been around forever.

/\ Exactly my point.

How useful... after getting rid of all my materials because i was running out of space this is implemented. Fair enough, people hoarde materials. Its just a shame half of my storage and characters are covered in WEAPONS AND ARMOUR!

Keys probably wouldn't be feasible, since the number of types of keys will increase considerably with each chapter. Dyes, however, have thus far been static in type, so a dye tab would have been great.

As has been stated, this update helps some people, doesn't help others at all, so it's hard to be more than neutral about it. It doesn't help me, since I don't hoard materials, but I'm not really upset about it. My #1 want is more character slots to buy for my account. #2 is a PVP-only secondary profession changer put into guild halls and arenas.

gotta love ya anet ^^

I keep seeing GW no monthly fee keep poping up in players reasoning behind the oddness of Anet's additions, yet I have never once seen an Anet rep say anything of the sort. I am led to believe then, that Anets' business plan is working as they intended; therefore any players grasp at defending strange design choices (whether good or bad) should have no bearing on cost for Anet, nor should the lack of monthly fees.

Anet chose to not have monthly fees. The players understand that in exchange for no monthly fee, expansions will be sold as full priced games that will also act as stand alones (so new players can jump in at anytime). We (the players) seem also ready to accept that a 1 year dev time for the expansion means not a "full" game like Prophesies was, and most of us can deal with that.

So, can we please stop attempting to defend Anet (they are adults) with the "no monthly fee"? It makes no since, has no bearing on anything and is baseless untill an Anet rep claims it to be so - note, if an Anet rep has said this as a bases for lack of something to be added, I would love a a link.

I would very much like to see a Xunlai faction.

Players could do quests or bring in collector items to earn faction. They could spend faction to buy general slots (and this would become increasingly more expensive), spend faction to buy material storage slots (specific to each material, and purchasable in increasingly expensive levels to store more than one stack), and purchasable customized slots for weapons/armor (at a fixed price). It would turn the storage problem into a gameplay mechanic.

the "no monthly fee" thing is a ridiculous defense indeed.

Anet's true defense is this:

They listen to us. They have been listening to us. Yes they act REALLY SLOW sometimes. I mean REALLY SLOW. Like a snail on butter on ice. But I have never....ever....in my over 15 years of gaming, had a company care so much for its community as Anet at such a young age (Guild Wars being their first game).

I expect even greater things. But we have to be patient.

Ah, in addition to a whole new world, you mean!

The comparson is invalid. The monthly fee of WoW, for example, gives you nothing new. The semi-annual chapter purchase gives you far more than WoW's monthly fee does... plus an entire new chapter to play.

Point missed. Load testing, especially at the level we're talking about here, cannot be truly duplicated in a test system. You can get fairly good simulations, but reality has it's own way of showing you what you missed.

Hi,

Dye tab? Who has told you? Well, so I can reveal it:

Yes, you'll get a dye tab! We're hard at work on it! Isn't it exciting? A tab for all your dyes! Whow!

It will come shortly after release of chapter 3, and for chapter 3 owners, exclusively! Marvellous, isn't it?

And it's not all! You'll get even more! Not a collectibles tab, no. Not a second gold tab, neither - Imagine, Reconnect is on it's way! Reconnect! Isn't it awesome? I'm so excited about it!

It will come shortly after release of chapter 4, and for chapter 4 owners, exclusively! Marvellous, isn't it?

Exactely as James Phinney told us:

Isn't it great? You know, we at ANet are always happy to learn about your desires, and we love it to surprise you! Whow, I'm so excited about this - should we do a conga?

Have fun!

I fixed your post.

Of course, if you have been reading these threads, this has been brought up before.

When did we ever ask anet for more rare and common material tabs/storage? I must have missed all those threads of us begging for those.

It doesn't help me all that much; I keep all my crafting materials on-hand since I salvage so much. But you know I can get a bit of use out of it.

Anyway people keep on quoting that interview and saying it should be for all chapters. However it says interface and basic features, like trading improvements, UI redesign, etc will be common across chapters. A special crafting materials tab is not a "basic feature" needed to use the game. It's just a little something extra they put in to encourage people to buy thier new content.

If you've tricked yourself into thinking that they promised you every non-chapter specific feature, that's your problem.

This is going to free 4/5 of my Storage (since that's where I keep these materials), so I'm very happy with this change. I do think it's kinda weird that we have as many slots for common materials than for rare ones - wouldn't these be, well, rarer anyway?

Erasculio

I love this storage improvement

For me it gives me around the 25 extra slots since I keep many materials.

I am hoping for some improvements:

-dye tab
-armour tab
-special event items tab (this will save me ALOT of space)
-...

About the discussion thats its only for faction users, Anet is a bussiness and they want more ppl to buy factions, all the small things like extra storage space can help.

Anyways, I like the idea of these tabs and I see them improving this system (wich is a great idea) more and more.

Thank you Anet

OK, I have held off posting until now, but I want to say a few things.

1) Before I criticize Anet, I want to see this actually deployed. Until then, this whole thread is just rumor.

2) I don't think a Materials tab is a good idea...AT ALL. Materials, Rare Mats, Dyes and Runes are meant to be market driven. Allowing people to hoard these items for free will seriously impact the Trader value of all of these items.

You see, you CAN hoarde them now, but at the cost of storage slots. For certain high value materials this is OK. It's also OK for short term storage (ie: saving mats for a new set of armor)

But if this is implemented the prices of most materials will plummet to zero. Is that good or bad? I don't know, but it IS a major change to a part of the game that ISN'T broken.

Materials Storage and Materials Trading are working fine, don't fix it if it isn't broke.

3) What we URGENTLY need is ARMOR STORAGE. I have 6 FULL SETS of armor for Carinae alone. She wants to buy two more full sets and a few misc. pieces from other sets as well.

Additionally, a storage full of armor is whats keeping me from purchasing sets for some of my other characters.

Yeah, this has been brought up before, and it is still valid.

James Phinney told us that we would not be required to buy new chapters to get enhancements. The way that this enhancement is being advertised means that James Phinney (and Jeff Strain, and Gaile Gray, and everyone else from Anet that promised us that we would not be required to buy new chapters to get enhancements such as these) lied to us.

I am well aware that this quote doesn't specifically mention storage enhancements. It mentions a build saver, trade enhancements, ingame mail and LFG enhancements. To say that these enhancements somehow fall into a different category which will be given freely, and that the upcoming storage enhancement is excluded from the "free enhancements" blanket is nitpicking at its finest. Grasping at straws ftw.

1. I'm a gigantic ANet fanboy. I love this company.

2. I own Factions. I will get this enhancement.

3. If only Factions customers get this enhancement and Prophecies customers do not, then we have all been lied to.

4. If ANet is going to start going back on their promises, they will lose fans, sales, and credibility.

Mr. Strain and Mr. Phinney: A promise is a promise. If you want to keep your customers, keep your word.

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extra storage is new content not an improvement in game mechanics

you dont get what you think you deserve and all you can do is whine that everybody lied to you.

long time no argue loviatar.care to enlighten everyone as to how you translated "the devs are looking at many ways to IMPROVE storage to make it more effecient"(gaile) into new storage content.remember the key word here is improve.

I disagree with this extra storage space for materials only. Why not extra storage and put whatever we want in it and everyone's happy, I don't collect materials so this update is useless for me (and I'm sure many think it this way). Sorry i find the work on this one a total waste of time

yup

i am refering to what Jeff Strain said in an interview early on where he defined improvements to the game engine/gui/playability (improved trading reconnect etc) were going to be given to all at no extra charge as it affected the entire game anyway as a build.

he also stated the things outside a game *build* such as new content were going to be charged for.

both chapters get the direct x upgrade because it affected the build not just a chapter for example

go back in this thread and read a few pages, its been stated, why they cant just make more all purpose storage spots, its all about the servers and how much stress they can hold.

and its not because its a free online play game, many pay mmo's don’t ever see storage upgrades.

and really, no matter how anet upgrades it, people will still complain, you cant really satisfy an internet community, the online part + being anonymous taints people with EVIL.

I'm glad for any storage upgrade. I don't care that it is chapter specific or that they will make any future upgrades chapter specific. It makes me glad I bought the chapter and that I'm getting a special little bonus for it. I felt the same way when Sorrow's Furnace was added. I don't care what the lead devs said before. I just know I like it.

The only core feature I would be concerned with adding to all chapters are things that would break the game if they didn't implement it on the general game engine.

Personally I like the new material storage idea.
Theres a lot better organization for my materials and crap, i have a mule just for those materials...And since I already bought Factions I dont get screwed out of it, although I can understand the outrage of some people.
I want to see armor storage though, perhaps something like 5 slots for feet armor 5 slots for leggings 20 slots for headpieces(cause most people have a ton of headpieces) and like 10 slots for these special event items...I like it all assigned, keeps my ass organized

Not only is this a joke but a crock of crap. I don`t need material storage, I don`t store material at all but I do have a Pumkinhead, Santa hat, Deer antlers, Candy cane axe, Candy cane bow, Gingerbread shields, Peppermint shield, 2 mimi pets, Tengu mask and very soon a Dragon mask, plus dyes of every color. I need storage, storage so I don`t have to jump through a hoop to use any of these things by switching to my mule little lone having to use one of my character slots as a mule for all the free crap they`ve given me. I very disappointed.

I agree with this whole post. That makes the most sense. We need more armor storage the most. Hoarding materials will seriously affect the market, and really, we only hoard materials for two reasons: A) To make money when the prices go up; and B) To save up for weapon and/or armor purchases. Either way, the intent isn't the hoarding itself, it's to hold until you're ready to dump it.

The armor sets you keep. You're not saving armor pieces to dump at some later date, you're always going to have the armor sets (unless you're upgrading). Hoarding armor sets isn't affecting anyone, but it is taking up lots of useful space.

They might have done their homework into what people use most of their storage room for, but that doesn't necessarily mean we want extra space for that, we can make do. It's temporary, it comes and goes, and it stacks. We're good on materials. Hell, extra room for customized weapons would be better than this. That's something else we rarely get rid of.

Maybe customized weapons and armor will be next for storage improvements. But really, they should've been first.

Materials storage is a good idea, both the rich and poor players can benefit from it. But I, like many other players, prefer armor storage instead. I have multiple sets of armor on a few of my characters because different builds often require different rune sets and is more beneficial with different armor types. At minimum, you would have several different head pieces since they boost different attributes, if you want to have various builds on the same character. Also, there are several different holiday hats.

I think a good idea for making an armor storage is having a tab in the storage that only stores items for a particular character (not sure if this will be difficult to implement since its quite different from normal storage which is shared). So each character would have a personal storage bin (maybe 30 slots?) for stuff that isn't shared across the account. Only customized items (or maybe non-weapon customized items) can be placed into the bin, which should take care of several different sets of armor. There is no need to share across the entire account because only one character can use the armor anyways. Also, this helps prevent clutter from having 3 or 4 different characters and putting all their sets of armor into a big armor closet. Having one big closet for the acccount would be confusing (digging through 50 slots for pieces of armor for 6 different characters, many of which look similar) and we need many slots in order to hold different armor sets (at one extra set of armor per character, that is 30 slots, and there are also many holiday hats).

The original reason why storage isn't bigger is that ANet wants people to have to choose to keep some items and to sell some others. It's actually good for the market, otherwise people just hoard everythign they find. If we only allow customized items to be put into this special storage, then players must still choose which items to save and which to sell to merchant or trade to other players. With all these holidays, we are holding a lot of extra weight.

I'm not disagreeing with per se Loviatar, but I think it slightly dubious calling extra storage 'new content'. I would have classed storage as a 'basic feature'.

I'm not bothered personally either way, as I have Factions and my mule serves me well enough - but I feel for the Prophs-only players.

-Good improvement
-People (and me) will be more happy if it is implented for all chapters. No need to make people dissapointed when putting only in Factions. That won't boost the sales at all. It is like removing the 20$ toner from a printer for 1000$. Maybe there is another reason for that?