Poll on the 10/10 and 10/11 Update

you really screwed up the AOE for elementalists i did the defend droknars questwith henchmen the night before update with my R/E finished with -2% dp. two days latger i did with my elem/me i died 22 times. now i just went into fow and cant even kill a monk without them running away as soon as i cast a AOE spell at them. change it back or many wont be playing this game anymore including me. i put in over 1280 hour s in 3 months not sure if i want to continue now that you screwed over the elementalists.

Just a comment for those with Elementalist characters who still want to enjoy playing them but now are thinking that they are totally useless to this game. Last night I went out with some friends + some unknowns to FOW. We had one air elementalist with us. And wow, that air elementalist was an extreme amount of help down there! She spent most time on casting blinding flash on warrior and ranger foes, otherwise enervating charge (which weakens for so many seconds). Totally worthwhile, a lot of help! If no one realizes the usefullness of any blinding skill (be it from ranger, elementalist, mesmer, etc.) when fighting warriors and rangers, then think about it.

Point is, those who are REALLY set in their ways will continue to gripe and complain about the patch, because nothing is going to make them want to convert their 16 attribute point fire nukers to anything else. But those players with elementalists who are a bit adventuresome and flexible should consider trying air magic. Maybe even a bit of earth (e.g. ward against melee). This makes a great contribution to any party.

Ever noticed the servers are so empty nowadays?

So? That is entirely your opinion. Value is subjective.

I look forward to the day when you are thrown out of a cinema 30 minutes into a movie, or paid for a burger with a meat patty that has turned sour, or get ripped off in a million other ways.

Because you know what?

Perfection has nothing to do with it, it is really about customer perception isn't it? If the movie industry can convince you that your 10 dollars does not entitle you to a full length movie experience, or your 2 dollars will only afford you a peasant's meal of rotten meat, what other recourse do you have?

As customers everyone is entitled to impose demands.

Anet has dangled something, brought in the customers, and pulled the carpet right out from under their feet.. that isn't very nice in my opinion.

Cheers.

No not really. As some other posters have said, I don't think this update has made any major difference. It's just made the AI a little better and made combat a bit more fun.

Well not entirely my opinion, there are plenty others that agree with me.

I can see what your saying but it's some what over an over reaction. The way I see it, it's ANets game. They are free to take it where they believe they should. We're free to bitch, moan and cheer depending on how it effects us. If they get it too wrong it'll hurt their wallet. For me so far they're doing a good job. These changes have improved my gaming experience so to use you analogy, it’s more like 30 mins into a film someone comes in and gives me a free DVD of the movie as an unexpected extra. This is the first game to keep my playing more than a few months in ages and I like what they've added to the game (for free I might add).

People always complain about nerfs in these games. Usually because they have found an over powered setup that unbalances the game. They then throw all their toys out of the pram when they're brought back into line.

I'm always changing my build as I enjoy trying different things so I hardly notice these changes. Maybe that’s why my posts aren’t all "boo who me" "I only enjoy playing this one way and you've stopped me". Yawn!!!

meh get over it already. i play a pyromancer too and it isnt hard to adjust your tactics and skills its what makes this game so much fun.. it doesnt get boring cos everyone is constantly adapting to new situations.. keeps you on your toes!!

if you dont have the imagination to adapt your character maybe you should play another game?

At some places you can solo farm using ony Ignite Arrows, because it does aoe damage that makes your target run in random directions.

There are solo chest farmers that scare the hell out of anything with cheap fast aoe skills to reach the best chests.

i like the update, but they missed something.

hmmm, i dont mind the update, only the colors... though, there's nothing wrong with it right? gw stays gw

So

Its been nearly a week and one shot AOE spells still make them run away, they really shouldnt do that

ownooooooooooooo what am i without area spells nothing >.< still haven't played the game cause no they still don't follow :S and they still run away for me like im a monsters (they should look in mirror:P)

hope they make this back how it was again >.<. game get's more boring everytime they get such a patch as this i once was a rich dude now i don't even have 3 k on storage .

Blaster ~ (nice poll btw)

Excuse me.. how can you make such a remark?!!, we ALL bought the game "as it was" if the game would be like this from the beginning it just *Might* be ok.. as we never knew different.. BUT it is not!
And it is way too late to change that. (even tho they did it with the patch of 10-11 nov)

We all started playing the game as it was, some casters some warrior etc..
After 5-6? months (not sure how long the game has been out) they decide to nerf AOE just like that.. with no warning..no nothing.

Don't you think some ppl will be really upset to see their whole line of skills become useless? .. all their combo's useless.. most of previous tactics useless ?
..come on.. even a child can understand that >.< ..why can't A-net ?

This patch is simply a attempt by ANet to keep the GW economy going. ANet doesnt want to see another game go to the Once-Great-But-Economy-Went-To-Shit-Bin. ANet is worried that with so many people farming solo that this will cause the economy and everything in it to drop to rock bottom prices. Imagine this..you have 250 Iron Ingots and can sell it to the merchant for more than you can to another player.

Truly this patch is what ANet wants to do, and it is technically their game. So I will agree with Magpie on this part. But if you take a second to think about it we did buy the game. We are the ones who bought the game from or friendly neighborhood Best Buy and we are the ones that make the game successful. If we stopped playing the game would go bust.

Personally I could careless if the game went down the shit chute. Too many times have I got overly invovled in a game just to see it crash and burn when I start to find it fun. A game of this sort requires alot of attention from the creators and game managers. In this area the people managing this game are just like you and me. THEY ARE NOT PERFECT, everyone makes mistakes sometimes and yes just like us they are sometimes to ignorant or proud to take a second to fix the damage they have done. But I will gaurentee that after a while all the bitching and moaning will stop because ANet will eventually do something about it.

So lets all just sit back watch a few episodes of GW play out in these forums and sip rum and coke while we wait for ANet to fix what they have done.

Drop the drama. No skill line is completely useless, if anything, MORE skill lines are useful b/c everyone is not just dropping AoEs all the time!!!

That said, AI should be fixed so that single shot AoE spells don't cause creaturs to run in fear... I think everyone agrees with that.

But to tweak the AI to make monsters not stand in an AoE and just die, how is that bad?

If you want a game to stay exactly the same, better stop playing ones on-line. ALL on-line games get these kind of tweaks as the game progresses.

I've got no beef with the idea behind the patch, just the way it was implemented.

Last time I checked, Firestorm and Searing Heat weren't the only fire skills around. Meteor Shower still knocks down enemies. As well, here's a list of some fire skills that still have a use:

Fireball
Incendiary Bonds
Immolate
Meteor
Inferno
Lava Font (it's good for dispersing crowds now)
Flame Burst
Mark of Rodgort

I'll stop there. See the picture? If by "Previous tactics," you mean "Echo Nuke Firestorm," well, sorry your net build doesn't work as well without snares. Wait, I'm not sorry.

im sorry to divert from your opinion my friend .. but in the terms of use that came in the GW box ... it clearly stateds that A.net its free o change the content and way in wich the game its played at any time, and if you do install the softwarte its aceopting and totally ageeing to this conditions ... (sorry) LOL

also ... adapting to the enviroment ots part of being an efective player .... its only real .... survival of the fitest .... of you are weak ... you will die (wich its .. stop playing GW) ..... anyway .. ill look for the link where it saya this and post it

i have been playing since the betas .

i have been playing since release.

GUESS WHAT?

they have already made some major changes before this one.

the question is why didnt you complain about those changes.

also as mentioned Anet has said content can be changed added or deleted at their whim or for whatever reason.

wait for the big fix on AI for the real screaming to begin.

and i will applaud as the monsters kill me until i adapt

I still use eles because there are other skills than aoes. Does everyone else know this too? Air eles are good.

Everyone knows Firestorm and Searing Heat weren’t the only skills around, but do you know the AoE nerf is not only effect ele’s fire skills? Monks’ smite skills, rangers’ trap, Ignite Arrows, and even Mesmers’ Chaos Storm and so on.

Face it, this game had been nerfed too much, that is why I have two accounts and six characters in each profession, in case if one or more professions are not playable because of the nerf, I can change to another profession right away.

But this time Anet is too much, and lots of players (including me) are very upset about this patch (please see the poll). The major reason is not because several skills been nerf. It is because Anet is treating themselves as GOD in this game, they had NEVER ask the public’s opinion first before they nerf anything, they just go ahead and nerf anything they want, even bringing more bugs to this game.

ANET...STOP PLAYING GOD.

Human players dont stand in aoes (at least the smart ones) why should the mobs stand in them too? You know the only form of difficulty in a game is not simply giving a mob a lot of hit points and make him do insane damage right?

Also do you know what a snare is?

There is a big difference between " AREA NET PLAYING GOD" and making mobs a little smarter.

I'm sure every elementalist that WANTED to play as a Hydromancer but couldn't get groups and was FORCED to play Pyromancer is HAPPY about this update.

I'm sure every elementalist that WANTED to play as an Aeromancer but couldn't get groups and was FORCED to play Pyromancer is HAPPY about this update.

Yeah, boo-hoo Fire ele's. You're not the only elementalists around.

Not playable or not playable with your eyes shut, and your brain in tilt???

Please do use that poll as a representative sample of player’s opinions. Forums are used by the hardcore minority and people with an axe to grind. Most people come to the forums to rant. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of players don't give a monkeys either way. I'd even bet a sizable portion hasn’t even noticed the change.

Anyways I'm off for a party weekend in the real world. Rant away some more please everyone. Gives me a break in work from time to time

dont forget those poor little underrated GEOMANCERS as well

YOU MISSED MY POINT… I HATE ANET PLAYING GOD.

BTW, why all my characters don’t need to eat, sleep, or even go to the washroom? Why they can change their armor in 2 second during the battle? Why they can carry so many things in their backpack and bag? Where are their backpacks and bags? Why you can hide your helmet/headgear during the battle? BECAUSE THIS IS A GAME. If you want something real, stay in real life.

it is also THEIR game and they are making improvements to it as they go along.

as advertised they are actually USING their streaming tech to make the changes they said they would be making.

if a change is bad (in THEIR opinion) they will change the change.

they already made one change in the update and probably more will follow (maybe)

if it is a gamebreaker for you you have many other places to put you money

or you can wait and see how it turns out.

Sure, you are right, THEY can have the game back anytime they want, so Gaile Gray can solo the whole game.

today i went to war camp and start to spam , ele/mesmer air or fire 16 with maelstrom 5 man FA farm ... i got into a team and ask , want me air of fire ... the leader was an ele and said " im fire .." so i went fire also ... Full AOE

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I really don't like this update, it has made my main character (Mo/Me) 3 times weaker than he was before and thus I can't go into battle with 3 or 4 charr without being killed unless I have the following henchmen

Mage
Warrior
Healer

they aren't too balanced in my opinion, and My monk is a level 13 so facing charr shouldn't be to hard.

Yeah but I wasn't sure how popular Earthquake/Aftershock or Obsidian Flame were in PvE. I didn't wanna sound like Geos were overlooked if they really weren't, heh. Thanks for clearing it up though.

there is a difference between making the game ultra realistic and making mobs not stand in aoes. If you cant tell the difference than maybe you should not be playing at all. Heaven forbid something be a little challenging.

Bascially, I have to now change my play style all together. My stratagy was get a bunch of enemies in one group.... cast Balthasar's Aura, attack a little, cast Bonetti's Defense to refill energy and do it again. There went that idea when THEY ALL RUN AWAY!

It is by definition, not differences. If you cannot tell they are the same, I think you need a patch from Anet too.

The whole game is not challenge at all, in the other hand, it is a very easy game…because most of the RPG games I played, they did not have a indicator to tell you where to go on the map for the quest, but GW has, and players do not need too much puzzle solving skill for this game at all.

The only thing pisses people most is Anet acts as GOD in this game, change any thing without actually asking the player community first.

It's THEIR game. They can do what they want! It says on the box YOU purchased! When you said "ok, I'll play anyway" YOU agreed to it!

Stop whining and get over it.

I don't like this update at all, and am not willing to compromise…511 players and counting.
It is not whining, it is principle. You basically said everyone should not have right to complaint, if they complaint, you said they are whining. Who are you? Salesman or lawyer for Anet.
BTW, Yes, it is their game. Don’t forget. WE ARE THE CUSTOMERS… WE PAID FOR THE GAME. THEIR SALARY IS COMING FROM OUR MONEY.

Ditto...

Thx for the poll

When your phone company changes it's rates, go complain.
When your cable company changes what channels it provides, go complain.
When your car insurance is increased, go complain.

Go ahead. You're a customer. Surely your complaints will make them reverse their decision immediately, right? Try visiting the real world first... being a customer does not make you King.

Technically, we paid for the game that was in the box, not what we have today through various patches and alterations, big and small.

Yep, you paid for that game, and you played it. If you consider this current game a different game, you got it for free.

yep and when you installed it you agreed to eula which very clearly staes that anet have the right to change or modify the game as they see fit.

People have a right to complian.

But thats just a little over the top.

FIRST OFF ::: I am NOT a farmer.. ffs how many times do i have to say that.. NEVER farmed befor the patch.. i was happy about my ele aoe nukes.. and when i didnt feel like nuking i played monk to heal..

--that been said--


...maybe..i will check back on the game in a month or two months.. but as it is now the game frankly sux
1) PvP is probably good (dont have much experience with that because i dont like to pvp (sorry?)

2) They introduced weapons and items and after a month or two they removed them..making them 100k+ (+5energy sword and -50hp icon) --have both but that is NOT the point.

..it looks to me like they dont really concider the consequences of their actions..

3) They nerfed lots of drops ..like FoW..been there with a team and got 1shard and a few white items... after doing allmost all mission (NOT 1 gold dropped)

4) Prices on "perfect" gold items is insane now.

5) It seems like SF is the only place u can make some cash while in a team.. and after a month it kinda gets boring since u have done all missions 2-30 times.

I have a Mo/E (first time i tried farming is after patch..and it sux ) befor that i was heal only

W/R -- for IwaY tactics.. thought of giving pvp another chance.. but still dont like it.

E/Mo -- NEVER Farmed with ele, liked to nuke in teams..and ony have aoe damage spells ..both smite and fire

..and i tried playing with each of the caracters after patch.. the ele sux now..have to change to different skills and tactics (wich i dont like/want !)

The warrior is ok.. it only sux if enemies run from aoe.. you have to chase them or let them go..wich makes killing mobs take much longer than befor

The monk is ok too.. if ur heal only.. but now that i saw the power of smite heal does not appeal to me anymore.. would prefer Prot/smite..but wait smite (does) did alot of aoe damage =)

..so i dont really see a improvement of any kind towards my gameplay..sure there have been many other "major" patches.. but NONE that changed so much.
played beta, got the game when it was released.

off topic:
(liked the concept of beta alot better..where u could make skill charms.. that lasted 1day or so.. so u could use skills from each class if u wanted)

..so for now it's bye bye -.-.. GJ a-net

Well, after changing my skill set, my Pyro is back on track. Well sorta.

Instead of lasting AoE like MS and FS, i have FB, Phoenix and Rodgort's Invocation.

Not as powerful but somewhat effective.

I still find one thing strange.

Sometimes, when i start casting a spell like fireball, some enemies are moving away of the AoE before i finish casting it (drives the Warriors in my team crazy).

They must be psychics or something... Ok, they can tell i'm casting a FB but how can they guess where it will land or that i'm actually targeting them?

Personally, i never could predict where EnemyX will cast SpellY on PartyMemberZ.

I was hoping for some minor changes in the AI in the17 Nov update. Maybe next week…