Poll on the 10/10 and 10/11 Update

Kvndoom - I totally agree (& have posted a long time ago the same idea). Rewarding players who finish the game will help PVE, get rid of the neccessaty to farm & combat inflation.

It also, quite simply, gives you an incentive to play after reaching lvl 20

Aalric

Some good ideas, but one comment: I and some of my friends, and I would suppose many others, do not like buying items such as high level weapons. We like finding them, or getting them as rewards. I have never purchased a weapon in all my playing of Guildwars. I have been given some by playing friends, and have given away some in return, but otherwise I have enjoyed immensely the thrill of the dead creature drop or chest drop (where I get most of my keys from creature drops). So I wouldn't like the idea of having an area where green items could be purchased. The idea of getting them as a reward for completing quests, though, sounds fine.

I don't see why Anet doesn't make limits on things, like limits on what areas you can enter or what armor you can wear and what missions you can enter based on your level or whether you have completed certain required missions beforehand.

Dude, chill out, and keep terms like "idiotic" and "bullshit" for your friends.

I'm talking about casual players that do not even read a board and are stucked for weeks on missions like thk.
Now they cannot go with henchmen, because they aggro the whole map chasing running chickens (and btw, henchmen are way more reluctant to move out of aoe spells, anet hypocrisy strikes again), and is a real pain to find a decent group, because a lot of ppl do not even read the upgrade notes and keep playing their fire eles.

And even with the right setup, is utterly boring to use hundred times the same retarded strategy to cripple every single enemy.
The original concept was to make a game enjoyable without spending endless hours on it, with missions accomplishable in 30 mins/1 hours. Now this is impossible, because for some missions a casual player need to:

1-spend hours to make a decent group
2-spend hours to complete the mission because people cannot nuke groups of enemies like in any other freaking fantasy game

And what's the result?
Farmers keep farming, runners keep running and casual players are RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed.
Yeah, great job.

Btw, i deleted my ele 2 weeks before the update to make a necro/mesmer and can still farm, so the update dont affect my game so bad. But actually there are tons of casual players (my guildies too), that are leaving the game, because the original game concept is completely changed now.

p.s.: on the iron mines wtf comment. Am i supposed to fight the whole way to the seer every time I have to infuse a new armor? Funny

and p.s. 2: before you comment my idiotic english, look at the location

Cut it. The update wasn't that bad... Now warriors should learn TO BODYBLOCK.......

Just a couple of comments:
1. You don't have to beat Hell's Precipice to get to War Camp.
2. SF bosses still drop greens, just not at the rate they used to.

If chilling out is needed, its not on this end. Did I call anyone an idiot? No. I said it was one of the most idiotic standpoints. But true, I should have qualified the statement by adding "In my opinon ....". I admit, you got me there.

Sorry, don't get the point. The casual player will learn the new "rules" like anything else. And playing with henchmen is still very possible, although until a few AI tweaks are made, a little more difficult.

Hmmm. To 1: yes, its too bad, actually, if you usually spend lots of time forming a decent group. I don't ever spend more than 10 minutes or so. No one around that wants to join us? We fill the party with henchies. To 2: well, that is a shame also. But nothing that I have ever experienced. I've never had difficulties completing a mission because the group had no nukers. On the other hand, I have experienced lots of failures because the party had no concept of teamwork and strategy. Same retarded strategy? Depends on what you consider retarded. Some people might actually find fire nuking + tanking again and again and again rather retarded and boring.

That might be good. For them and for the rest of us. Good time to move on. Or stay and adjust.

Why not? Is it that difficult? I find it kind of fun. I must have done it 20 times or more now. But anyway my comment was not suggesting that the infusion should never be run (just not with me in the party thank you), but rather was a reaction to the player's comment to us that "no one ever fights this mission". Note the word ever in his statement.

Did I comment on your english? Didn't mean to, and if what I wrote sounds like I did, then my apologies.

Ya, those were proposed changes. Sorry I wasn't more specific, Ramza.

Sorry, was tired and half-asleep.

I gotta agree with ya there, some runners do make a LOT of money. However I think a lot of this is due to GW making if harder for people to run to droks without making it impossible. I persoanlly think that unless they want to completely stop droks runs, they should make droks runs easier, thus allowing more people to make the run, thus giving more supply of runners, thus lowering prices. If they really want to stop droks runs completely, why not build a wall between Droks and Beacons? If that's not possible, fill one part of the run with an incredibly insane number of wurms, heretics, and trolls, so that even if the runner can squeeze past the sheer amount of bodies, they won't make it out alive.

Anyways, to keep this thread from going too far off subject, even though I do believe that droks runners do make a lot of money and imbalance the economy, solo monks that can get an ecto or two per run can still make a LOT of money and do contribute to the imbalance themselves. Because of this I don't think it's wrong to fix solo monks when runners still make uber cash, I think it's wrong that runners still make the uber cash even though they fixed the solo monks of which I am grateful for.

Ok, to adjust try to attack the topic of low lvl characters in droks and the desert I will say this. Unless you have a friend that gives you a ton of cash or you buy it off e-bay (from someone who is probably a runner or solo monk), then you won't be able to get to droks or the desert. These people who get ran places, myself included admittedly, are people who played through the game the old fashioned way earning money from drops in missions and such with at least one character.

I personally think that Anet should give more incentive to play through the rest of the game after ascension and the shiverpeaks, like giving gold or some other kind of items for finishing missions, because really, how useful is exp when you have 30 skill points even though you already have every skill you could possibly want? Also some item or cash reward should be given for beating all the missions and/or quests. This way there will be a lot less people wanting to get ran places or building up as a solo monk to earn cash.

I really don't think that playing with henchies will be that much more difficult if at all because the same AI tweaks that went into the monsters went into the henchies. The official statement on the update from the GW site was:
Improved and corrected problems with Monster and Henchmen AI.

By implementing this update they made sure that the "rich" ppl stay rich forever, great job !

Now about the AI, please give all creatures a second profession (monk) and equip them with spellbreaker..it will make the game even more challenging!

And ofcourse it will prepair them for PvP, because that is what this game is all about, right ? PvE helps you accomodate for PvP wich evryone ofcourse plays, all players just LOVE PvP, no question about it.
I mean who in their right mind would buy this game just to play PvE..

Ow, and don't forget nerf Flame Burst and Inferno, because a 55hp monk can still farm with those 2 skills. (hydra's, griffons, golems)

**In a nutshell** this is the best update EVER, i'm sure the sell-ratio of second chapter will skyrocket, keep up the great work!

~~I hope u can taste the sarcasm~~ ..this will be the downfall of GW.
The next chapter will mostly be sold to ppl that like PvP.


If they want to do something about the way ppl play the game, change it in the SECOND chapter, if you dont like ppl having 1000+plat introduce new currency in the new chapter, make all items sell for that new currency.. like silver and copper.. or whatever.

And since all my characters are PvE, AOE damage build, (Except warrior) i have to buy new skilld for all 3 characters.. at the ratio of 1plat a skill.

--I would like to mention that i am not a farmer, and never farmed befor the 11nov patch (Except green items in teams of 5)--
Imagine my joy when I logged on one day and found that all my characters wer useless

Now i made the 55hp monk and tried to farm.. since they nerfed it.. i wanted to see how bad it is.. and what build could still be effective.

They just lost 1 customer for chapter 2

whiny whiny wany wanker short red gore engine man ... buaaaaa i want my so easy to farm game back !!!!! rofl
its asia time , chinise will dominate guildwars , cose they will buy the game after all this updates .. nothing will be left to complain about it.
lets see 1 000 000 copys sold ... mmm ... times 50 bucs ... mmm ... 50 milion bucs ... mmm ... we can aford to lose 300 000 players .. yeah .. why not ... just nerf them !! more will come ... hahahah ...

btw my vote is " This update is great, I like it the way it is. "

actualy the update dont afect me , but all the complaining people is kind of anoying.

Yes, but there are two things perhaps. Firstly, maybe a human fire elementalist can learn to use AOE spells a bit more sparingly or, if the situation warrants, not at all. But what about Cynn and Orion? They are still fire elementalists, aren't they? And they probably haven't changed their offensive playing styles. Would be nice if these guys were changed over to, e.g., air elementalists instead. Secondly, a new problem is that the tanking warrior henchmen tend to chase after the enemy they are fighting with when that enemy tries to flee an area spell. And that can very easilly cause the henchy warriors to run into an even greater mob which hasn't been part of the fight yet. I have had this happen: lured a few enemy from a larger mob, far enough away to fight them in peace (so I thought). Then comes Orion's fireshow, off go the enemy back towards the larger mob, with Stephan and Thom chasing. Hello DP!

Yes.. you are right.. they can afford to lose 300k players, why not probably will gain more players with the asians that will get this game..and make even more money

Since i'm not allowed to flame: if this was their plan with the update (to get more asian players by nerfing the ppl that like to use AOE spells..and have been using them since the game released.. than i say *** anet than and *** gw .. it started out great as a (M)Morpg.. and has turned into a Quake4 with swords and spells..

There are ways to force the henchmen to come to you, but they seem to be abit buggy and not reliable.

Ctrl click on your name
or move left and right (also do this to hold them near you if someone is luring)

"most" of the time they work, but ive had occasions where they simply ignore it.

if the mobs were so clever, they wouldn't be so agressive, they'd just invite us for a cup of tee or a poker game.

but thanks to the upgrade I could easily buy some sup monk runes and have fun and challenge killing a couple of desert creatures. yes it's still possible to farm desert.
I was just disappointed 'cause it doesn't bring more money than skeletons in kryta were I used to search gold to pay pretty (or ugly sometimes) 15k armors for my 6 toons when I was not "invicible", but it's really funny.

but now, I'd rather keep on playing this toon in team with my guildmates which is not possible anymore. Oh yes I could heal, I could protect... what about balthazar's aura needing 5 mana and 2 s for reload like others protect skills?
... end of my smiting monk (unless if I want to farm solo)


today I went to surmia with a new toon and the new toon of my husband, we didn't take orion of course, but why the stupid "ascalon rangers" that follow us during the mission make all the charrs flee with their fire arrows??

I had not much fun with my warrior befor the patch, but now I'm really tired runing behind mobs and resurrect alesia.
the only way to have more pleasure with this toon is probably to be rushed to droknar to buy a couple of skills and test them on whatever moves. but with the few skills we can have in ascalon, the game has turned really boring.
here we have only 2 water skill for exemple with a water ele (I raised one befor the patch), how are we supposed to deal with the new AoE effect? (if not rushed, one more time). with the few skills we have, we have to keep fire or fire/alittleearth untill at least Yak. The whole Magumma is hell now, better save time and nerves going that skiped and travel to fischers creek as soon as we're in Temple of Ages. I know it's easy to be adaptable with a lvl 20 that had alredy completed the Pve game and have lot of "ô so marvellous" skills thanks to Amber camp... where are these lvl20 when we need their help and smart adaptability to success missions? are they even PvEing?

oh and another observation for those who think farming brings so huge amount of cash in the game and cause inflation... where do you think that cash goes when we buy armor or crafted weapon? yes it disappears. and most of us are faming and/or speculating to buy the most expensive armor...


now, about classes that are invited in groupes: "wanted 5 surrounding tanks 2 monk and 1 ele" "wanted 2 water ele, 2 feuer ele, 2 monks and 2 warriors" etc... I know it's a little exagerated, but there's no real benefit for other classes.


thanks to the upgrade I found this forum which is very entertaining. I've learned here thats mobs are now as smart as PvPers (dixit themselves) rhmmm... no comment.


(ps: my empathic ground make me feel sorry for you to read my poor english but thanks if you actually did)

ok , a positive post

i see it this way, its like a new game. didnt everyone were just bored ? well here is a new game , now deal with it !

see you inside

You are right it is a new game.. BUT some ppl bought the "old" game because they liked what they saw at the beta previews =) those ppl have a game they didnt ask for after the patch.

when we get out dumb monsters back i haven't played since this patch cause im so pissed >.> and the game get's boring cause of this patch >.< i feel like buying new game waste of money it is now.

You forget to mention; the new game is still full with bugs (the old one and the new one).

thank you for the laugh as you never farmed but all of your builds were useless and it is the farming community yelling the loudest about busted builds.

ha ha and then the very first thing you do is create a farming monk to see of you can still do what you never did before.


in case you never read the official site it was never stated to be an MMORPG in the first place so the people coming in thinking this is MMORPG free of monthly fees are coming in with false and uninformed expectations

--- I heard about farming monks, invinci monks..but never tried it.. now that my ele couldn't nuke anymore i wanted to see if i can do aoe damage with monks..

I NEVER used the word "Still" .. so please dont put words in my mouth
And Guild Wars was (is?) PvP AND PvE .. .. not PvE to prepare for PvP..

---About MMORPG.. i said (M) - MORPG .. it is a multyplayer online role playing game ..

--- My builds are useless because mobs RUN when i nuke them.. all my characters are about nuking.. fast massive damage. That does not have to mean that i farm with them.
Nukers are allways usefull in teams when mobs group up.. or a noob pulls 100 mobs..


I am glad you could have a laugh but try to keep the facts straight =) I know it's less funny but you can't have it all

(to neoto)
oups no I wasn't bored at all (playing for 2 months), now I'm a little. I have made only one titan quest with guildmates but I hadn't taken it from Brill ( = glint or clint... the dragon) 'cause I couldn't before the last mission. I have it today on my quest list but it's a little compromised while I doesn't feel the healer job...

maybe I'll try protect skills when I will have ended shadow hearts 2, morrowind, gothic 3, elder scrolls 4, and spellforce 2 and stoped reading this toxicogene forum. So if you need a protect monk in 3 or 4 years, I'll be there.

And globally, I wanted to learn all skills at the same time in order to better understand foes strategies so I've almost all my chars stuck in desert, or citadelle (or maguma for my ele hahaha) besides my smite monk I really loved to play (teamplay) with ... and I erased my lvl 20 krieger to made her on the secund account so she's just in nolani yet. It has become a real pain to do and redo the same stuff especially after the update. And I've a psychologic barrier thats prevents me to buy a skill I know I can have from a quest. (I must be noob at heart) but thinking of redoing maguma for skills make me sick. I wait for a new update that fixes at least the teleport syndrom of fleeing mobs, or for an explanation of anet directly on guild wars site.

I'm disappointed that they're not able to feel or show a little compassion for all the guilds that miss half their members those days.
nothing about the massive complaining on their site, I'm very very disappointed.

They should at least remove the update all the time they're working on fixing it if they are of course.



One question, have the "pro-update" tried to play a totally new char without the help of their guild or their bank account? try it, I'm sure you won't regret to have a very new game to play. or you will.

We are gonna have to adapt to these changes. I doubt Anet will revert it.
Do you guys know if any changes int the past have been reverted by these forum poles?

ofcourse not.. do you thing any game will admit they wer wrong ?!

[QUOTE=Razzzvan

--- My builds are useless because mobs RUN when i nuke them.. all my characters are about nuking.. fast massive damage. That does not have to mean that i farm with them.
Nukers are allways usefull in teams when mobs group up.. or a noob pulls 100 mobs..

[/QUOTE]

have you tried out the non over time ones that still work?

searing heat and firestorm were fun i admit along with meteor shower.

rodgorts invocation
phoenix
meteor
mind burn
inferno
incendiary bonds
flame burst
the old fireball

i do miss the cheap shot of running around some barrier and having them stand on the other side and die using searing heat and firestorm but things change.

some places i cant go solo now and some i still can with some adjustments.

am starting a possibly nice ele/nec for fun.

in any case luck to you and i still have my preorder for OBLIVION and will also get chapter 2 as well

So true...yesterday i tried blood and smoke and was a real pain in the back. I counted 21 scarabs at a time, because the henchmen kept running, making more and more scarabs appear.

This is not challenging or interesting, is frustrating, not because it's hard, but because is boring and irritating.

Probably they will never remove this absurde update, but at least they should make it work properly, and fix the one shot aoe spells.

congratulation, you must be far more tricky than I am if had time to count them...


oh have you seen that: there're no mobs around and Alesia is runnig 5 step in front of human players!!! she's calling! She'so so smart now, that's cute!

I took ful hench team (minus cynn of course) to sf with my friend war to test recent "improvements". I wanted to see how badly is my (now useless) fire ele affected.

Henchies are still retarded cause they love to camp in the well of suffer.

No improvements there.

Monster are not dumb anymore they are retarded just as henchies are.

Example: war aggroes grognar,malinon and bunch of others, i dropped meteor shower just to see this new behavior. Grognar broke off aggro, came between me and war and just stood there. We finished malinon and others, while he was waiting there doing nothing.

Arenanet is in self destructive mode for quite some time. Instead of fixing bugs like piss poor collision detection and chars getting stuck they seem to fully committed to nerfing skills and entire lines.

She loves to tank, even before the patch. lol.

After reading most of the threads...I think everyone outside of the peeps saying theyll never play this game again because arena actually put a brain in the characters actually has valid points.Arena i think, is inbetween a rock and a hard place on this update. Teyve tried to reduce the exploits of farmers and in doing so...made the people playing the game as it should be played suffer.Classes with weaker armor were compinsated with stronger spells,and when theyre strongest spells where rendered useless, it puts them at an extreme disadvantage.Granted I know that monsters arent supposed to put on a shower cap for meteors, but by the looks of some of these creatures, I dont think theyve learned alot of logic. I think arena should have have considered alot more before releasing this update.Its good in theory but Ive never seen an update with so many detrimental side effects. I for one do not like taking my ele out only to have my, now with less brains than minotaurs henchies aggroin everything across the map, only to have my best spells negated.I agree that AI needed to be tweaked, but maybe they could adjust according to party size to differentiate between solo farmers and people trying to actually play the game....

We are gonna have to adapt to these changes. I doubt Anet will revert it.


Wrong we do not HAVE TO ADAPT.
they should have to adapt to US not us adapt to them/ we paid money for this game WE are the customer/ they work for us not us for them/WE are the only reason they exist/ and us new people keep the game alive/THEY are just changing the game for the bored VETERANS of the game and making us new people suffer.

its becoming a veterans game/ superior absorbtion and vigor were 3 times less the price they are now/ who got em while they were cheap? A.Vets.
ecto and shards have doubled in price who got them when they were cheap? A.Vets
no more priest to trade faction points for Godly Upgrades and skills/ who got the best of that before they took it away? A.Vets

see a pattern? they are slowly making GW to benefit the veterans of the game and making it harder us newbs. why should we have to pay the price for veterans boredom.

Ur right on the adaption part.. BUT.. do you think the veterans are happy with this update ? lol.. i bet 75% of the veterans have AOE casters.. they are not happy..trust me (have this game since it was released)
Maybe a few veterans with 5000-9000platinum are happy.. but the rest (that uses AOE casters) hate the patch.
The patch was made so that ppl could not farm as much as they did befor..but they did not even for one second think of what it might do with the game

And as people have said time and time again, the advantages of Superior Vigor and Absorption over their Major counterparts is very minimal.
There are only two reasons to have ectos and shards: to trade for high-priced items or for Fissure armor, both of which are pretty unnecessary.
Priests are in PvP areas now, which makes much more sense since they're only for Faction, which is earned solely through PvP.

True but your not the only customer. I for one deeply hope they don't revert this back as I think it's a huge improvement. I too am a paying customer and I'm not alone in my views. Still plenty more to be done mind.

As for the game, cost me £17 and have played it for god knows how many hours. If they went "Sod the lot of you whingeing gits", shut down the servers and ran with the money this would still be the best value for money game I have ever bought.

Don't act like ANet owe you any thing they don't. If you don't like the way the game is headed vote with you wallet and don't buy the next chapter. The way I look at it for this value for money, it ain't perfect but it's still good, more of the same please.

I would have made tthat monster that were about to enter the AoE zone to flee, or make monster that flee and other that dont: By example a Charr... They pray the fire why would they run from it (and are they bright enough to realize what happen) or a blood frenzied monster Would ignore tha pain or rage with it

I think I know where Anet are going with this latest patch, it is aimed at pro farmers making ingame cash then selling for RL cash, am i right???

Soooo by making the majority of the players leave as the build they have doesn't work anymore and they can't be arsed to to spend hours of their life testing builds* there will be less people on the servers so less items will be sold for higher prices.

* Unrealistic as it sounds they may have other things to do in life e.g. eat, sleep go out doors etc

If we continue with line of thought, they keep patching and nerfing skills to the point where all skills are useless no one will play the game and the war on ebay will be won, as the only people on the servers will be admin staff. One question here Anet what will you do with the piles upon of unsold chapter 2's you will have.

Now to the point of realism, ok realism, if i was to walk outside(In the Real World) dressed in a full suit of armor weilding an Axe, a sheild and screaming "Watch Yourself" what would happen??

Answer: my neigbours would ring the police as soon as they stopped laughing/having a heart attack, I would be shot carted off and have medical type people poking around in my head with shiny things.

Bah realism, this is a game IT IS NOT REAL!

If you so badly want to stop farming answer is simple, DO NOT allow single players outside outposts (Exception of presearing), if a groups goes out and say 7 of the 8 players quit replace the players that left with Henchies of similar type as they will get drops even when they are dead!

That is my opinion, if any one wishes to flame go right ahead, if you think it's the opinion of a noob, 2 accounts, over 1800 hours and 7 lvl 20 chars later i belive i do not fall into that catagory, idiot maybe but not a noob.

Anet you have made an amazing game please do not ruin it for the majority because of the minority.

If anyone actually made it to this point thanks for reading my rantings

Good day to you all

Good point about their skill usage, but from my experience, Cynn and Orion never really were great henchies to start with, let alone good nukers. I can't even remember how many time I would finish killing an enemy or mob only to see a fire storm just begin to sprinkle on their dead bodies. Orion and Cynn also always seemed to be the first ones to die in a group too. There is also always enough henchies to grab someone else instead of Orion or Cynn. If you didn't before leave them behind, but I do agree, an adjustment of their skills would be wise on Anet's account.

I gotta ask this. Am I the only person that doesn't think this update makes that much of a difference?

I mean, I have 6 char (one of each profession) under my two accounts, though admittedly my ele primary is still only lvl 11 and I have yet to find any situation where killing enemies was one bit harder than before. I mean sure, the enemies ran when AoE skills were used, but that meant they stopped attacking while I continued, giving me an advantage.

I know a lot of eles are upset that Firestorm by itself isn't as powerful as it was before, but this is why there are skills designed to slow enemies. If anyone still has their box look at it and find the part where it talks about using Hamstring to cripple the enemy, then use fire storm to kill em while they are hurt. I believe this is more along the lines of what they intended the game to play like. Use strategy to make two or more skills combine to give a really powerful attack.

I don't know, there are so many people that are so bent out of shape that they might have to actually try out new skills like it's some incredibly hard thing to do in this game or something. And for the people that cry about the price of skills, go out and do the quests! Unless you need a new elite or you switched secondaries, you should be able to get jsut about every skill by doing the appropriate quest.

Besides, how many people have a whole build of nothing but AoE skills besides solo monks? Even fire eles have plenty of good still useful skills to use (i.e. phoenix, meteor shower, etc...)

If GW is going to lose all the people all the people that think deeply enough about their character to have a build not completely reliant on AoE skills, then finding competent people for missions may become a bit easier...

it doest.
with an ability to adjust tactics and skills, the game is just as easy as it was before.

my experience so far , my ele/mesmer is now sleeping w8ting for is time in chapter 2 , im sure there is a place for him , for those who didnt delete their eles ...
now im playing a necro/monk , for the first time im leveling a diferent char , yes ! just now ... im loving learning the new skills combinations , using death to make miniums and some cool damage as well ... i can see the door of pvp opening slowly ...
this update made me take a closer look at all skills , read more about them ... over all , i fell im getting more deeply inside the game.
and about the cumunity inside at this moment , i have to say , its better , less people , but more friendly.