Just how ARE you supposed to make money?

Admirable, I agree with you, giving away to others is a good idea always. I frequently teach for free, lend money, and give items when I can. It makes everyone feel good.

.." guild wars will reward playing skill not hours played"...

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIES. False advertisment ? i believe so !

and i believe you are a flaming idiot..........so?

hi noob who hasnt played enough to get it yet.

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you are so strong that anybody with half your godley levels is toast no matter how skilled he/she is

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you have the godley item of *i pwned ju noob* which is guaranteed to one hit kill anybody with half your godley item power

you cannot play for 10 hours a day grinding out level after level until after 1000 hours you have the weapon that ownes anybody no matter how skilled if they are not your grinded level.

notice that time is not the major factor there?

For anyone that needs the best armor and weapons in the game, I submit the following: Make a PvP Only character.

Congratulations! You now have access to the best basic equipment in the game minus weapon mods, and enough skills to get you by! All that's left now is figuring out how to actually use them.

Go figure, best equipment in, what? Two minutes? Less?

Money is only a factor if you're trying to keep up with the eliteist players. Point Blank. There is no difference functionally between max damage collector weapons with perfect stats than gold and purple ones. No difference in performance between Droks and 15k/FoW armor. It's all an "looks" thing.

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

alot of collector are great yes but some greens or rare gold do make a difference if ya calculate the % ratio it becomes very strong. Sure alot is look and Sure its for pure image in some cases. But why not. We put the time in to earn the cash. Have the skills. Why not be better. its a shame anet doesn't put gold as reward instead of experience. I mean we do odd jobs why not get paid?
PS: I make 10-15k an hr solo monking. gold isn't to excessively hard to make just hard for those coming in fresh to game.

Farming Griffons before = Max Dmg Gold longsword 15^50, other perfect weps like this....


Farming Griffons now = Falchion 12-19, Armor +2 vs. Plants, No one can possibly tell me farming hasn't been nerfed, at least where i farm anyway

farming day to day and seeing your drops, NOT THEIR DEMAND, become less valuable is a shame... there is a difference between whining because you're poor, and complaining over ArenaNet's decision to put "luck" over work. I don't see the point in nerfing this, players are LEGITIMATELY making money and there's nothing wrong w/ that. Just because players were smart enough to make builds and share them, we're getting penalized. This is bullshit.

My griffon farming has decreased in value by at least a half, and this isn't luck, this is a consistent decline in drop values... I do believe new players will find it hard to make any money, especially enough to afford some the higher end items... arenatnet, :0

Farming hasnt been nerfed, got a perfect cleaver from griffons. Maybe you should STOP FARMING SO MUCH thats what anet says in the hint box... farm too much and dops start sucking...

old farming = flesh golems, and YES it has been nerfed. Farming is over. And storage interests "lol". Always the same think, richs goes richer and poor goes poorer.

Even ripping off noobs (which is supported by a lot of players in this forum, well they made their hundreds/thousands of ectos doing this) requires to be rich. Like buying an Eternal Shield req 8 +30hp -2 dmg 500k to a noob and reselling it 5000k. GG, but you need 500k to do this.

Collectors armors/weapons/whatever can do the job. What if you finished the game and don't want to pvp ? Anybody who says "you don't need gold" is : a rich player or a player who don't care. Yes, you need the sup absorbtion/vigor to be competitive in pve.

Anyway, they overnerfed their game, and I'm not anymore surprized to see things like this http://cgi.ebay.com/guild-wars-game-... cmdZViewItem

Wow an IWAY account ! gg

Ah they nerfed the pve every weeks, but left such pvp gayness for month. Can you explain me ?

Congrats Ingy I couldnt have said it better myself. This is a game meant for fun and enjoyment. I personally have no desire for FOW armor on any of my chars. Droks may not look 'as cool' but it has the same stats hence why pay the ungodly prices for fow armor. I played the game with some minor farming to get my droks armor for my first char. A guildie gave me a near perfect axe for him. And a near perfect weapon is perfect and fine in my book. I was able to get my rangers and monks droks armor with the gold I made while playing the game hence no farming to get it. A guildie ran my monk I payed a runner for my warrior and ranger. So low level farming got me the gold for a sup vigor for my warrior. A generous guildie gave me a sup vigor for my monk and I am currently saving up for the sup vigor for my ranger. The sup runes I got lucky and they dropped while doing missions in for those char in the south shiverpeaks. The ones I dont need I gave to a guildie that needed them. In return I got a green bow for that favor and my yakslapper for my monk I traded for. yes those are green items they arent the best green items but they are for me. I am happy and here to play the game. I just dont see the point in standing around in town trying and trying to sell some item for xxk or spending hrs upon hrs farming someplace again and again day in day out so I can go around with 100k in my account. I would rather get on hit a farm location 2-3 times a week for 20-30 mins pick everthing that drops up salvage it, give it away if someone needs it and get on with the GAME.
Anyways thats my 2g.....

Being a selfed professed noob here is my problem with the game and its baseline economy. Being a new player you would think that if you just play the game, take the missions that come available, do questing and progress, you would earn enought gold to upgrade your armor and weapons from time to time.

You quickly realize however that this is not the case. Earning gold as a new player is a slow process and earning enough for Droknars well thats another subject altogether. I played for weeks to get to Droknars and was lvl20 to find a ton of lvl5's hanging out there. Whats the point there? another subject all together.

Anyway, if farming has not been nerfed then explain to me why a new player like myself cannot earn enough by just playing the game as the story line goes, doing missions and killing a few baddies along the way and have enough gold at the end to buy maybe just ONE upgrade to my armor beyond what I bought in Ascalon City?

If you want to upgrade to a max dmg weapon, thats another subject all together. Like most players would have 5-10K bank rolled for the typical gold weapon items being sold in many areas by other players.

So here is the problem, you have a monk, you want to upgrade your armor, you need what 12 sheets of parchment, 20 bolts of cloth plus 800g for just one item like a chest piece? (these numbers are just an example so dont flame me). Then you want to upgrade your weapon, costs 3-5K. So simple math for just a base line upgrade on weapon and armor, 8.2 g not counting runes, keys, salvage kits, id kits ect. Do you know how long it took me to get even close to this amount just going through the natural progession of the game? I didnt spend any money on anything, I had to save save save just to get something like an armor upgrade in Lions Arch.

Its hard to earn money if you new, period. You people that have 100-200K bank rolled and earn that a night, quit bitching period. Why do you need it? whats the point? You have the best armor, the best weapons, sell items at inflated prices, collect the best stuff and you sit here an complain about farming being nerfed out but you have what 200,000 plat in the bank, and globs of ecto plasm and 4 collector swords, 4 collector shields, 2-3 sets of armor, ect ect ect. What ever!

Quit winging, you have played through the game, so what so have the hundreds of thousands of other players. Completing the game does not mean you are entitiled to huge wealth. Huge wealth comes from huge time investment. You think farming is fun? It sure as hell isnt for me, spending hours on end just to get those perfect weapons and fow armor sets.

I too had to save for droknars forge armor. But then i heard of griffon farming and started doing that. After time i made alot of gold from it. It was not fun and was highly boring but i did it as i wanted perfect items and expensive armor. If your not interested in "l337" items then just stick to your drok armor and use collectors weapons. They work fine. But some including myself want only the best items around and we all work hard to afford them.

only your definition of farming which is i MUST get Xlevel of drops per run as anything less than X is not worth doing.

SECOND POINT

there is a tournament going on and thet guaranteed that the skills would not be changed during the tournament period.

they also have stated that there are several known serious skill imbalances existing which will be taken care of AFTER the tournament is over along with a bunch of lesser rebalancing.

i expect
screams of anguish at nerfs
sighs of relief at a favorite skill not being touched
and exclamations of joy as a skill is made better (fire for ele maybe?)

ok.. the best way for most to make money is to buy low, sell high... some of the rich players that buy off GWG admit thats how they got there. But you need money to do this right? Its simple-play the game. In south peaks missions u will get a lot of normal clean items dropped. If u ID everything.. even clean.. it puts the price up for a bit and u can make 2k easily on every mission u do. Then.. start by buying your average rare weapon like a 15^50 sword (easy to sell on) cheap. It will take a while but this is how it has to be. I got a 15^50 dragon sword from someone spamming 'Selling gold stuff 1k each!'. U can gradually work your way up.. buying better things that are more desirable to richer players. 1 more thing.. if you need to start low, check out most bulk sales u can find... where people dont specify what they are selling-just a bunch of gold weapons. U could find a bargain quite easily.

Lots will say it takes too long or its too hard.. but it worked for me ^^

Jiao

Depends, if you go throught the game as normal anet provides you with max items via collector's and draks armor. If your in to 15k, fow, or gold max that look cool then keep reading.

Once you get your 1st character you can farm with them to get items (or the collector's items in Desert / Souther Shiver peaks to give to your other character) and short cut your 2nd character if you want.

Most people have success with the 55hp monk. Check Guru Article section for more on this or do search.

You can run players for fixed cost or tips.

Farming - Drops are purely random but make sure but make sure keep going to different area's (crystal desert -> Southern shiverpeaks) for example otherwise the anti-farming less drops kick in. (You get less and less drops the more you farm in the same region).

Farm the green weapons in SF (see above on anti-farming system), farm ICD in Mineral Springs. Get new greens from Tombs (not "UW/new UW" don't get me started on that )

Get in to a good guild that wins Hall of Hero's and do pvp for signets.

Here a nice money making trick. Get a basic salavage kit and keep converting monster drops / useless weapon drops from Krytia on to get crafting material. Wood you can convert to Parchment and sell at a profit to pc's or ncps. I would not convert items before that point, they tend to give you 1 use = 1 crafting item. Krytia starts 2,3 for 1 use or more.

Ahaha. I frequently charge for lessons, TAKE money, and don't revive players so I can take their drops! BWAHAHAAHHA it makes me feel good.

I agree 100%. If I happen to have the money to afford something nice, I'll buy it. If not, I don't lose sleep over it. Take for instance the hype over Bortak's bone staff. I view the enormous price of this item as a complete joke. You can get a staff north of Fort Rankor with the same basic stats for a few mountain troll horns.

Energy +10
Cold damage: 11-22 (req. 9 Death Magic)
Improves Casting speed using Death Magic skills (Chance 20%)
Improves skill recharge using Death Magic skills(Chance 20%)

Bortak's has +5 energy and +7 vs physical. Woo - hoo. I added a +5 energy head (paid less than 5k) and a +1 Death Magic (18%) that I got off a random drop. To me, my staff kicks the hell out of Bortaks. But like it's said in the quote above - "Whatever floats your boat".

Funny part is that no one would even consider paying 50k+ for my staff, but they would for Bortaks.

The difference between your and Bortaks, is Bortaks is max, yours isn't. A max death +1 (20%) could easily run your 100k, if you could find it.

People pay more for max, simple fact.

Right, but if you were paying attention, I didn't say that mine was worth more. What I said was that I felt that mine was better. Even if I had that "perfect" 20% on there, people would still rather fork over 50k+ for the bortaks than mine. Because all that there would be on mine that would be worth that much would be the +1 to death magic wrap. IMO 2% ain't worth 50 - 90k. It's peoples perceptions that have to be changed. "OO lookit me I gotz the oober leet perfect godly staff of awesomeness and all you have is the collector staf that does the exact same thing! n00bzorz!"

so merchanting is the best way to make money, reminds me of a little game i used to play called runescape, i made millions buyin low and sellin high

Bleh Runescape, the only problem with merchanting is its so time consuming, I could be farming with all the time spent selling... Thats why GW needs an Auction House system.

Nostalgia... =D

However, you really didn't even need to merchant on RS. Although it did help (I remember merchanting natures for 8 hours a day for a few weeks to earn like a mil a day...), a major key to doing well was also hording rares and playing at the beginning of the game when all the rares were cheap.

Unfortunately, this is a fact that is starting to relate to GWs more and more by the day. RS's party hats and masks have turned into HoDs and nerfed farming golds that were once looted by the hundreds of griffons and smite crawlers. Now, breaking into the economy is just like buying your first Phat--it's pretty much near impossible, without ebaying. Ironically, Anet's attempts to curb ebaying have led to even more reason to buy gold on the web.

the idea for an auction room say a place on the map solely for sellin and buyin. That would be a brill idea. It would stop everyone rippin off the noobs in ascalon city. Has anyone posted this idea to area net

Yes, there are tons of threads about this very idea. I think Anet has heard the call. I don't know why they never put an auction house in Prophecies, but Factions will have an auction house. I think Factions will correct a lot of things that went wrong in Prophecies.

Until then just spread the word about the gwguru's ebay style auction. I just tell ppl about the auction here, and I usually give out the url for the auctions. Even if only one person start using the auctions here it's one less person in LA spamming WTS Uber 1337 vampiric sword of doomy mcdoom doom, 500k

And it's Arenanet. I always thought it was Area net which makes more sense but...

I want a doomy mcdoom doom sword

WTS Uber 1337 vampiric sword of doomy mcdoom doom, 500k. For you Gonzo, 600K.


I've given up on making money. The novelty of farming the same things over and over again has lost it's appeal. I'd rather spend my time exploring new areas and being challenged by newer, harder monsters. I guess as someone who has yet to complete the game, visit UW/FOW/SF - I still have plenty of things to keep me occupied.

[QUOTE=Roza]If the quests in FoW would yield gold instead of useless xp there would be no problem obtaining obsidian armor (And dont come with that crap it would eb too easy then it still would take long but not forever).

I concur in FoW and Underworld, XP is useless, completing missions is only for DP reduction and personal challange enjoyment.

Spend some time in Sorrows Furnace, simple enough with the drops, the chests and the greens, although there are some real garbage greens.

btw- Anet have stated that there will be improvements to the trade system - not that there will be a auction house.

whatever you do dont listen to me i cant make money!!

but i have got 15k enchanters armour ..........although i did just get lucky, find a sup vigor and sell it for 75k

did you listen?!?!?

No way you sold the Sup Vig for 75k - unless you found king n00bness of the n00bs!



I think you mean Sup Absorb...

Dang... he better mean Abos... i sold mine for 29k the other day...

Some people find farming a waste, and wonder why people do it. Its just another enjoyment in the game. I love to farm, loooking for new ways to farm all the time.

I usaly farm GF, Droks trolls, Minotaurs, also go for Chest runs outside port, but i usaly get items peopel dont want Also, solo FOW with my ranger and warrior, but i dont depend on that... america never wins HOH.

GOOD LUCK AMERICA!!! YOU ROCK!!!

I didnt see him say he sold it this second? Sup vig used to be that high remember. Forge armor is cheap so i dont see the point of all this crying. You dont have to buy 15k or Fissure, or a Fellblade(Chaos also). People buy gold off E-bay to get not your everyday items. You want a 15^50 sword, theres a req. 9 one in the forge for 5k and materials, also a axe. E-bay doesnt change anything except for rune prices. Mateials can easily be farmed w/o any nerf. Greens are cheap also, remember when 30 HP shields went for tons of gold. Now you can get one for 75k, it also has another mod OMG. The only reason i have 2 sets of fissure is because my storage ran out lol. Also i got lucky when first started the game.

Just like the real world Getting lucky with rare item=lottery, farming=job. Its not easy making money.

I've never really spent more than 15k with any of my characters, i never need any more than that.

/Sarcasm on

I think according to ANet you not suppose to have to make money, cause you see after you unlocked all the things you need for PvP there no real reason to have money at all since GW end game is PvP.

/Sarcasm off

whatever forms of farming you can afford the time to do will generally yield some gold just not as profitable as its used to with lesser options than before.

i just mis my noobism days...i didn't care about money than ! i remember having a req 13 6-27dmg white chaos axe with no mods, bought it for 1K, and i think i never was as proud as than !
now that those days are over, i spend days and weeks on farming...and that all for a perfect chaos axe...and farming these days ain't easy :|

Personal enjoyment is useless? Nice philosophy there.

Making money to have what you want is easy... fow/uw provides. Making enough to be obscenely rich needs luck. Focus on just having enough to not run out first, and maybe you'll get lucky in the meantime..

For pve players it's nice to get some special skin armor and weapons, even though they won't make you any better. The fact is this stuff costs a lot, otherwise everybody would have it. I think this is nothing special and it's just the way things go in life.

As the game is out for about a year now, more pve players got to the point where they've beaten the game and look for other goals, like fow armor for example. I think Anet doesn't want to loose these veterans as they help sell the game and expansion. So they made nerfs on several aspects of the game to slow down the process and keep players hooked. Which is in my opinion just good marketing.

This is in contradiction with Anet's struggle to fight ebay sellers though. Which I think is not the only way but one of the fastest ways to achieve gold if you have the cash. So basically this is Anet's prob, not ours. This is just the law of cause and effect and like with everything, there are two sides of the coin.

I disagree the endgame is about pvp only. Anet wants to attract both pve and pvp players or the combo of them. They could just have left the whole pve campaign and UW and stuff out and save a lot on development costs if that was their goal. Both pve and pvp are equally importent to them as they'll cover both segments of the market this way which results in more sales.

There are 3 types of players when it comes to gathering gold: Those who have lots of time to farm and play, those who have less time but real cash to buy gold and those who both have time and cash. The best position is the latter one ofcourse as you can do whatever you like to in that case. Time is money and money is time. Therefore I find it utterly bull when someone claims it's not fair to buy ebay gold. It has nothing to do with fairplay. It has all to do with the means available to get what you want, for some this is time for others it's cash and for some it's both.

I should be getting my leggings by tomorrow night, to complete my FoW set. I've raised all the money myself by farming.. It was pretty real.