Just how ARE you supposed to make money?

It's rather depressing and sad that I have money problems in a freakin' game. I already have to work hard for my money outside the game. So, I'm not really motivated to do a lot of work for money in a game, when that money doesn't even really exist...

They should make more money rewards for quests. Who needs 20,000 xp when you're already lvl 20 and have 40 or so skill points?

I recently got a second account. (Dirt cheap special edition box in a local shop, couldn't resist. ) and I started playing a new character through PvE. I'm at Yak's bend now, did every quest, every mission complete with every bonus. I visited all the places on the map and ran through nothing, but killed every obstacle in sight. I also completed each and every quest in the prelude, including all initial 2nd profession quests. Level 13 upon finishing the Nolani mission. All good.

Except, I still can't afford the ranger armor offered in Ascalon. I salvaged every armor I found. At where I am now, that only got me 22 of the 28 leathers I need, and only enough charr hides to trade in for 4 furs out of the 7 I need. If I go and buy what I still need, I'd not have enough gold left to have the complete set crafted.

I've only unlocked 1 rune yet (minor soul reaping) and 1 weapon upgrade (a blue axe one, can't remember off hand.)

Now, maybe I've had a terrible run of luck, but on my first run through the game I got the armor a whole lot earlier than Yak's Bend. I also managed to invest in runes and whatnot. All of that without ANY farming at all. I was eager to get ahead with the story. Trying it again about 5 months later, I can't scrounge enough gold and materials to get out of starting equipment without farming.

So... did the drops change, or am I really just very very unlucky? I'm beginning to understand why some people are begging in the streets.

If Yak's bend is the furthest you've been, then just be patient, you're no where near the half-way mark. If you've completed the game with a previous character/account, you may considering consolidating resources and money to support your newbie character. Either way, the drops hasn't changed. GL

a lot of the very early stuff just in not worth the price of salvage.

when yout inventory fills up go back and sell the stuff (except missions) and get 3-4 gold instead of

dust 4 salvage cost 3 sell cost assuming merchant 1 LOSS

hide 4 salvage 7-8 sell same profit as selling

granit slab 1 gold loss or break even

fiber break even or 1 gold loss

100 dust 100 loss
100 hides 400 profit
100 slabs 100 loss
100 fiber 100 loss

net 100 profit

sell them all before salvage for at least 3 gold each

400 gold clear profit

Well now Seem I'm not the only one who thinks that the market and nerfing by anet is poorly implimented and overdone.
I am in no way poor and strongly arguing for the new people that they have nearly ruined this game. Also yes people buying the game today are buying a totally different game then we bough close to a year ago.
It seem to me anet is manipulating us and the environment to play one way in teams with 1-2 style builds by restricting and ruining the effects of spells and skills in PVE.
Wheres the diversity in build ability??

A few Words of advice.

First off complaining only seem to make them worse currecting them only adds another nerf to the list. They just don't care about the enjoyment of their customers and it shows

If ya wanna make money do a 55 mo/w or mo/me monk they still farm well i won't say exactly how much they can make solo farming tops side ( non SF,FOW,UW), But if i saved every penny i could buy a stack of ecto every 12 weeks. This is also working a 50hr a week job school 3 nights a week so its basically 4 days a week hardcore farming.

I feel for you really i do. In my guild i give away decent weapon and items and crafting materials and buy them several skills because of what anet has done. sorry but 55 monk or the near impossible w/n solos are about all that can make money without running teams for chest/greens then totally gouging people in the wake of the effect of nerfing.

"If Yak's bend is the furthest you've been, then just be patient, you're no where near the half-way mark. If you've completed the game with a previous character/account, you may considering consolidating resources and money to support your newbie character. Either way, the drops hasn't changed. GL"

This is my second account, my 1st one has almost a million gold on it. I'm playing as a newbie because I want to play as a newbie, for kicks. My point was, I'm really struggling now, which never happened on my very 1st run through the game. As I said, maybe I'm unlucky, but it really does seem a hell of a lot harder to make money starting fresh 5 months after my 1st run.


"a lot of the very early stuff just in not worth the price of salvage.

<very liberal snippage>

400 gold clear profit"

I realize all of that, Loviatar. That's why I'm only salvaging the materials I have a direct need for, and highly salvageable wood or iron items because those ARE profitable. Mostly, I've been salvaging leather armors for tanned leather squares. I only got 22 so far. Salvaging those is cheaper than selling the armors for a few gold and buying materials from the material trader. Everything else, I sell.

I did make enough gold in pre-searing to buy 2 bags and holding runes, so I could bring in the 'phat' loot, but it isn't happening. Level 13 in Yak's Bend, having played each and every bit of content up to there, and I can't afford Ascalon armor sold in Ascalon City, without totally and utterly bankrupting myself. Maybe I'm a spoiled brat, but it doesn't seem right.

On retrospect, the big difference between this run and my 1st one is the amount of dyes I get. The first time round I found tons, several silver among them, and they made life easy. Now I'm still only up to 3. That alone accounts for 3 or 4 platinum which would make all the difference. I also remember finding more than a few runes on the charr armors on my 1st character. Now, no more than a single one.

Having said all that, I'm still willing to believe I'm just very unlucky and the drops didn't change, but it starts feeling more and more unlikely.

mind you i give out average of 20k wepons 2-5k for skills and cap sigs and limitless materials to recruits.
And also gave out 200k for the holidays to my officers who i have trained and gained their loyalty thru this process.
Why because even with 5 months under their belt they still struggle to get godly wepons that do make a difference in pve as well as pvp

are you using henchmen? are you playing solo? or are you forming player parties? how big is your party?

if you use henchmen, that you might want to consider reducing the henchmen. if you do it solo, you might want to just take a single henchman. as a veteran player, i am sure that you know how to handle yourself.

i am also in the middle of taking a new character on a new account through the game (my 6th time... aggh! yes, i know... i am looking for a new game that will keep my attention to play...) and i noticed that except for the most difficult quests, all i need is 1 henchman. this typically speeds up the loot gathering rate.

Gli

i dont know what to say except i have a new character that just made Pikin Square (and when did they add the guide covered with charr repellent?) who has the AL 30 Ascalon and several dyes one silver plus 1.5 plat and misc junk

not long ago (month?) i had a presear pick up a black at 19 minutes getting skale fins for the belt pouch.

i think it is a run of luck to tell the truth

pre seering is dye farming heaven I did it for a while takes forever to make a decent farmer preseer. I did this for a while and averages 5 black dyeand a boat load of silvers and various colors a week just goofing off. only thing is ya want 4 lvl 20's ascended and fully capable ya sooner or later need to give up your field of dreams, bring it across and thus facing the farming challenge.
Its good for a first but i highly reccommend making 90k make a solo monk and farm your heart off.
At least thats what they seem to want ya to do.

sigh

I'm lucky. I don't care much about how I look in RL or in the game.

My wife and I have been playing since November. Between us we've outfitted six characters in Drok's Armor, at least two of whom have Major Vigor runes, accumulated about 100K cash, and probably another 100K in merchandise (she keeps the dyes on her account, but there are at least 6 or 8 blacks, and a whole bunch of silvers, and two sapphires, and that's before we even get to the weapons, offhand items, and so on).

That's also not counting our 800 candy canes.

We'll get by.

Oh, and I made it out of Pre-Searing with 2-3000 in gold and dyes around the end of November.

Good thing we enjoy the game despite their lack of caring, eh?

only if you're trying to get the best of everything...13% weapons are dirt cheap 1 to 2k...I spend more on skills for my war then that...geeze...I make 3k from just selling crap to a merchant running around in a hench party...

/fail


I wish a.net would put away the nerf bat and bring out the ban bat...show people they are serious.

Playing normally. A groupmate of mine in SF found Rago's wand. I told him grats.

in pvp its going to cost you 20k for a 15%^50% sword base 65k for the 30hp grip and 70k for 10/10 sunder that over 150k that takes ya how long to earn as opposed to 1hr gaining faction to unlock it their are 2 seperate games here.
And for those who need to pick their ears and give their azz a break...I AM RICH!!! I MADE MINE!!! I ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW HARD THE NOOB HAS TO STRUGGLE!!!!!I personally am bored and only here for my guildies.

youd cry like every farmer in pve if you had to spend weeks to gain enough faction for the same thing we farm hard to earn.
More people speak bad of the nerfs then for the nerfs.

my Point is made.

2000+ hours game exp.

Never bought gold, Never will

100% PvE chars.

-------Tips------

15k + armour is no better than 1.5k droks --- so save your money unless you just want "that different look"....

Dont pay attention to Lions Arch D1 Prices for weapons, i have a REQ 7 max dmg fiery dragon sword - dmg +19% hexed - +30 health.......ive asked for prices & been told that if i salvaged the health upgrade it would be worth something....but the +19% is not worth anything......bullshit....i stick this sword onto my IW mesmer chuck on a self hex.....or let some1 else hex you....wow i deal more damage than that massive tank..........weapon value? priceless

ALL drops are worth GOLD.....when i was a newbie i used to wonder what "precious" weapons were good for.....thinking they were something special i used to use them, upgrade them..etc.....now i know "precious" means they are just worth more GOLD from the merchant

Identify EVERYTHING, even if you get a GOLD rune, with a MAJOR inspiration rune......dont salvage it & sell the rune for 25g......sell the WHOLE armour 2 the merchant for 300+ gold.

DONT SALVAGE UNLESS "YOU" WANT SOMETHING, hides, armours, all moster drops are worth MORE intact, just identify them & sell them....this will get you more gold than salvaging & selling......unless ofcourse your 100% sure you will get a rare material etc.

SOLO LOW LEVEL / HIGH LEVEL AREA'S -- take a walk outside ascalon & kill everything insight....ALONE....tiny drops of gold soon add up if your not sharing them with a party.....if your stronger find a tougher area, for higher gold, better drops....tanks & 55 monks are not the GODS of solo.....my level 20 Me/N can solo 3 hydras....4 & im dead, by 3 i can handle.....again good drops if your alone.

DONT SPLURGE -- by this i mean, dont waste your gold....if everyone else is buying 12x dwarven ales & getting drunk......goto your fridge & get a REAL beer, save your gold for something more worthwhile.

REPEAT - REPEAT - REPEAT
do this enough times & you will not only have fun learning more about "YOUR" characters abilities, but you will get richer quicker.


hope this is some help

How to make money:
-Only buy armor in ascalon, then droknar's
-Don't buy skills that you can get from quests
-Do every mission
-Don't even buy anything other than salvage / ID kits
-Get a collector weapon at endgame
-Hunt your own greens

Without even having to interact with players, this guide will guarantee you 100k+ from gold drops and selling loot to merchants by the end of the game, which is enough to get your 15k armor + vanity weapon.

Too many people waste their money getting armor at every possible place they see, which is probably the biggest problem with new players.

maybe a little bit of each? making "enough" money in this game isnt difficult - making what you need to buy perfect items is. i've never gotten a perfect 15>50 drop, but ive sold a few items for decent prices. i dont ever farm for gold, but while out farming (for items or just the exp), i tend to make 5 to 10k in an hour easily. as for buying and selling, id say dont dedicate your existence to it, but if you see a deal, scoop it up and resell later. i cant count the number of times ive picked up iron and wood @ 6per and resold for 10 later when i needed some quick cash. as for ebay- hey im a fan. when i get home from a 13 or 14 hour work shift and see that perfect req, perfect 15>50 EXACT skin weapon ive been looking for at LA, i want to be able to afford it before i miss out. im not RICH in real life, but i can afford to buy a mil off ebay for $55 bucks if i choose to. some people cant, or just flat out refuse to - and thats their prerogative. as for me, id rather get what i want NOW and be happy. sure, i may respect the perfect storm bow i bought more if i had farmed for the gold- but quite honestly i dont have time for that. id rather spend my time in game doing what i WANT to do and not what i have to do to buy high end merchandise.

but seriously, play the game for fun- dont get too caught up on making money. the money, and the items, are always gonna be there.

amen mate

that's what I do, and I don't see any problem w/it.
armor's cheap --- I'll always take an upgrade.

when I had just gotten to post I was pretty broke, but by the time you get to yak's, or la, or wherever, you've usually got plenty of dough.
especially after all the $$$ they gave away over xmas.
thank you, santa-net.

I would like to direct you to this thread. Fissure armor for a warrior quoted at about 400k.

Money is easy to make. It always has been, though it can be argued that it is harder now since you cannot sell all the golds to players for decent cash. The thing is, money has been going downhill in overall value. 400k in the 300 or so hours that person played can be done today as well, usually you can get more than that (maybe 500-600k. Maybe more, for some of the really hardcore farmers). But what does it matter when things have quadrupled in cost?

Do what I do, make only a few farming runs a day at most. Easily avoid any boredom if you dislike farming, and make enough cash to quickly buy yourself a 15k set if that is what you want.

You're missing the point of the game, I think. You don't *need* much money at all. This game was designed so that money and items play a very small part next to your skill as a player. Most RPG games reward grinding and farming; this one allows it, but it's not necessary at all.

I don't understand why people feel the need to farm for hours a day to make money. I work in real life for money; I don't want to have to work at a job in a game too.

If you *like* grinding and farming, maybe WoW is a better game for you.

That was over half a year ago. It's more expensive now, to say the least.

You asked how we are supposed to make all that money for expensive stuff!

The answer is: We are NOT!

If you just play the game normally you will soon get enought money for the 1,5k armour (which is the best in the game) and will surely have found a weapon that is close to the best available. If not you can easily get a max. dmg weapon with max mod from a collector!

You are not supposed to get 1000p and you don't need it. If you play for a very long time, or just love farming you may be able to buy much more expensive stuff which may look cooler but usually is not, or only very slightly!

I think the problem is with the guys who started the game one week ago and want to have fissure armour dyed black a perfect fellblade and Malinon's shield by tomorrow! This is their problem and definately not a fault of the game. This just is not possible and it should not be! It is not in all other games, on the contrary, there are not many games that allow a player to get the best equipment so easiy as in Guild Wars.

soooo very true...meh

This is something i see alot. People coming out of presearing for the first time ever and expect to be able to make millions. I have witnessed this and was left speachless. They were wanting a 55 monk after only playing a few days

.. and then there are those others who'd love to get fissure armor, actually go UW and FoW to see the place as well as pick up the occassional ecto/shard, which of course, doesn't drop nearly as much as they used to, plus you have a 1 in 8 chance of getting it... at this point in time, I have no idea how my warrior is gonna achieve fissure armor as farming is deadly boring and material prices have been down since before christmas.

I remember how long it took to get my monk 15k armor.. but.. by the time I did thunderhead keep with her, I had the 15k armor. My warrior has been stuck at ring of fire for a lifetime, because I'd like to get fissure for her before finishing the missions there.

And maybe, the lack of money for my warrior stems from the fact that I am only a casual player with responsibilities far exeeding gw itself.

Kids of today.

Everyone makes it sound like I am complaining for my self.I am not. I have close to a yr behind me in the game 1mil exp on my tank 2.2mil exp on my monk. I have beaten the game 4 times have 4 lvl 20's All carry green sets most in 15k armor tank has 2 pieces of fow armor.
I am bored and don't need money!!!

Why do i stil farm...Hmmmmm To give gold wepons to new recruits.
To get materials for their armor or weapon crafting.

Why do i do this..

Well look at market When the battle picks were holding 2 grips enchanted axe grips wer going for 100k for 20% in droknar. Wepon mod prices are way out of control.it cost me 115k to build a godly collectors sword all because people want to gouge you for every coin they can.

Greed and self centeredness are the nature of man thus the desire for fow armor and the high prices but when is enough enough. The game need a mod trader kinda like a second weapon smith. this might put a cap on some prices.
You will never stop solo and if they ever do most pve will quit the game.

Why have i taken on the financial burdon of my guild as they come in.
1: Because I can and not feel the dent.
2: so they have at least 1 solo godly lvl 20...
this way at least the 20-30 that come into my guild actually enjoy having to not worry about cash and can build other characters that work well in groups with everything and skill they need.

I have been removed from groups in my ranger simple because i only had favorable winds and they were to lazy to swap their fav winds with winnowing or because i use battlerage on my tank.

Doing this for my guildies is the only reason i don't have a full set of fow armor.

again i complain for the new people not for myself.

1 quick note if your strictly pvp you have no right to this disgussion.
you have no concept of how to earn money aside from sigils and to obsessed with rank. neither have to do with pve which we are talking about here aside from 1 sigil required for a hall.

Dude, either play another game for a while or wait until Chapter 2 is released. I ususally play GW for a couple months then take a month off.

How about read a book or something?

Yeah telling me to walk out on those i support thru the game nice. and so selfish of you.

I do i race in NFSU2 tournaments for real money on xbox live.
How do ya think i built these computers. <EG>

I am not a child or novice gamer.

Yes, I knew it was very old when I linked it. My point was that while prices have gone up a good deal on items like this, the ways to make money have not gone up accordingly.

It is easy enough for me to make money, or anyone else. Heck, I have almost half a million sitting in my storage. Yet half a million now is almost nothing compared to what it was then, but that half a million still took the same amount of work now that it did then.

Ok you ask how to make money... I wont tell you you dont need it and try to answer your question...

You can make 60k+ in 3 hours farming griffons and thats just gold if you have the right build. I dont want to post multiple times the same post but you can search for the build I use and Im sure many others too, but dont go for the nOOb builds youll find, they will waste your time and effort when you need to maximise your time by kill ratio. I can clear 1.5k every run farming griffons and it only takes about 10mins each run. They you have to identify everything (even the whites) and sell it then go again. Augury rock is best place to go (search for griffon farming)

after reading 13 pages, ppl are still discussing same old point ..oh well

I tell yu how to make money...sell ur gold unid stuff

i got flamebarge req 8 gold un id..cud have gone for 10-20k, i id it..15% vs plants...now i'll sell for 500 to someone in ascalon.

The secret to making money....

Spend less time complaining about it in forums and go make it....

Use your head. It's a simple economy. Think about it. What do people always need regardless of nerfs, rares or anything else in the game.

Armor ,Weapons, and Runes!

Armor :So we look for large mobs taken down quite easily. Instead of selling those 5 or so , what seem to be worthless, decayed orr emblems......SALVAGE THEM. People always need materials to by armor and know they can buy them cheaper from a person than a trader. I made 5k in less than 3 minutes selling 500 pieces of wood. Something that salvages so commonly and takes no time to get.

Weapons....lots of those drop during material farming runs. SALVAGE THE CRAPPY ONES. Why get 30gp from a crappy flamberge when I can salvage it for say 5 iron ingots and sell each of them 12gp each. Of course you get the rare gold drops and then you can sell those for bigger cash.

Runes.....They drop while material farming as well. Sell the minors in Ascalon, Majors in LA and Superiors in Drok's.

No one likes to buy from Merchants in game. You can always buy stuff cheaper from players underselling the merchants. Imagine if you salavged and saved from the time you left per seer until you reached Drok's I bet you could keep the materials you need for armor and then buy your armor selling the remaining materials in your inventory and likely have enough left over to buy something overpriced.

I have 4 chars. All lvl20 and each has no less than one green weapon. My ranger is spoiled with 4 green bows,perfect storm bows and a composite bow.

Happy hunting....

Thats just it til someone can build a solo it takes month to get there. I argue for the noob only not myself. And i give away more then i spend lately. like i care, nope.
do i think anet need to reverse the recharge time and skills involved in farming areas, yup.

Do i think that the aoe patch making enemy run as early as the casting of aoe spells and henchies running in fear is over dramatized to a point aoe is nearly uneffective yeah for most part but requires timing.

Do i enjoy arguing with everyone on their high horse only speaking badly about the complaints because they made theirs when exploits ran rampid or are strictly pvp players with no concept of pve money market....ABSOLUTLY!!!.
1 yr ago this was a truly fun game now its more work to acheive what ya want then ever before i only want what i had for my predicessors.

I can only bare so much of the financial burden and its more then i can say half you greedy mofos do for your guildies.( all those against the nerf are excluded)

Thanks for sharing keep coming back it works.lol

wow not one comback. truth must hurt.

ill try then.

I "think" your trying to say it takes ages to make money unless you make a solo farmer, if that is what your saying then what is your point?

If people want 15k armour ect ect then they have to earn it, and if that means soloing then solo (or they CAN 5 man farm for greens).

If they dont solo then they will still have enought money for droks armour and weopons and any runes (apart from super but big woot), if they dont like it tough, do the work. (and at most they might be a few k short of droks becasue they spent it on skills or were not carefull with there money, just go out with a few henchies and farm any random place / a few k is half an hour to an hour with henchies).

I teach my guildees (or point out builds for them from others) on how/where/when ect to farm, the ones that took my advice are all now able to get 15k armour.

If you can get 15k armour then its just a matter of time till you have 100k, now thats not fow armour money, but that will buy you ANYTHING you NEED.

ANY class can farm so there is no excuse, mesmer/ele/monk/necro can all use the 55hp build to some degree, infact a ranger can still do it as well but its not the best option. Rangers can farm the desert, and need i even go into the warriors farm ability.

If you want fow armour then be prepared to solo/duo the UW. ANY CLASS can be teamed with a invinci monk to farm uw. Ive done 2 man runs with all the classes bar a warrior, but warriors can take the place of an invinci and that means i can switch to heal and put a few smites on the warrior in my place.

It is harder than "the ole days", but its still easy to get 15k or perfect weopons, but the high end stuff (a 15^50 longsword rather than the droks one / or a super instead of major absorb) does now require abit more dedication, but then if you dont want to put the effort in, do you really deserve it?