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Originally Posted by TadaceAce
Enchantments ftl, make an earth ele if you wanna rely on enchants to tank, it just doesn't work.
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Read my above post also.
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Former Ruling
Read my above post also.
beanerman_99
I think people are complaining because they don't see the "next great damage dealer or new tank". I think all they want is a new profession that does more damage than a warrior or an ele.
I think most people complain because they thought the Assasin was going to be the next great damage dealer/tank and that didn't end up being so. The Ritualist doesn't get much love either for the same reason...they don't seem (in their minds) to be as good as the monk at healing.
Problem is is that we will judge and compare all the new classes to the Core classes that everyone loves. You got your straight damage dealer, you elemental class, ranged attacker, necromancer death class, the healer, and so on. When Anet deviates from the "norm" people will get upset, mainly cause they just don't understand the class. I gave up on my Ritualist cause I personally just didn't "get it". I still have an Assasin cause I did "get it".
I think both Factions professions are more suited to PvP, but PvE is not impossible with them. I hope Nightfalls professions are good at both!
I think most people complain because they thought the Assasin was going to be the next great damage dealer/tank and that didn't end up being so. The Ritualist doesn't get much love either for the same reason...they don't seem (in their minds) to be as good as the monk at healing.
Problem is is that we will judge and compare all the new classes to the Core classes that everyone loves. You got your straight damage dealer, you elemental class, ranged attacker, necromancer death class, the healer, and so on. When Anet deviates from the "norm" people will get upset, mainly cause they just don't understand the class. I gave up on my Ritualist cause I personally just didn't "get it". I still have an Assasin cause I did "get it".
I think both Factions professions are more suited to PvP, but PvE is not impossible with them. I hope Nightfalls professions are good at both!
Zubey
I'm guessing that the Dervish will be an AoE-focussed melee character. (Compared to assassins, which are primarily single target)
Also guessing that the Paragon will play like a ranged Diablo2 Paladin, with the party-buffing chants.
Also guessing that the Paragon will play like a ranged Diablo2 Paladin, with the party-buffing chants.
Neriandal Freit
Oh lord, please dont start saying that. I dont want people to start comparing games to games to games.
Not attacking you or anythign Zubey, but Guildwars is not Diablo, Diablo is not Guildwars. World of Warcraft is not Guildwars, so forth and so on..
Not attacking you or anythign Zubey, but Guildwars is not Diablo, Diablo is not Guildwars. World of Warcraft is not Guildwars, so forth and so on..
Lt.Crumpet
ok this is great. just plain great. finnally i get a class that yells at my teammates with SKILLS, not just my voice on TS!! takes half the burden off me already.
oh ya, and im thinkin dervish/assassin.....tele in, turn into a god, kill stuff, nuf said.
oh ya, and im thinkin dervish/assassin.....tele in, turn into a god, kill stuff, nuf said.
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Originally Posted by felinette
So is preemptive "OMG!!!! I'm so excited, gotta try these classes out!!!!! They own!!!!!" I was excited about assassins and look what happened there. So I'm not going to get excited or complain until I've actually had a chance to try these professions out. They could turn out to be the best professions ever, or they could suck. We'll see....
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And either of those is far better than already complaining...
Sai of Winter
The Dervish characters sound pretty nice, can't wait to try them out and see how they'll do in battle. Plus, they look kinda cool with the hoods.
After reading about the Paragons, they could end up being a popular class. Who knows. Range attacks, shouts, boosting fighting abilities...sounds like a very good support class.
After reading about the Paragons, they could end up being a popular class. Who knows. Range attacks, shouts, boosting fighting abilities...sounds like a very good support class.
Claire Wolf
I'm liking the new classes and such, but I'm worried about how fast these campaigns are being released. Unless you spend every day on GW grinding on through missions, there is no way you would be able to enjoy the game. Only one or two characters that have finished the game would go onto the next one, leaving the other characters further behind. I'd like some slack given. :\ People who farm faction almost everyday (like my entire alliance who owns Bai Paasu) won't be able to get every single character done with every mission on time. Unless you have pvp slots, but that doesn't really count. Maybe once every year, or once every 9 months, but every six months ? Really, you couldn't enjoy the game to it's fullest that way.
Mercury Angel
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Gotta love the people who are already complaining just by judging a short preview on two classes. Pre-emptive complaining is funny.
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I'll wait and see, of course, but I don't really feel much either way. A bit unpleasantly surprised at first, but it's faded, and now I'm not quite sure how I feel about the profession.
Nor am I going to worry too much about it. The preview is not too far away in the future, and many concerns and questions can be addressed there.
I suppose at least a portion of the issue on my part is a classical Sour Grape, as I'm not sure I can quite afford Chapter 3 on my limited budget, as tuition prices can be a bit prohibitive <_<
wilebill
Well, I play a mesmer quite often. Shatter Enchantment is lots of fun now, I can see it being even more fun real soon now!
And I play an assassin too amongst others, so I am not making fun of them when I say that Arcane Thievery can really ruin their whole day! I mean there are a lot of assassins who carry only one spell, Shadow Refuge. Take that away with Arcane Thievery for 30 sec, and you usually see them doing a 180 and vanishing over the horizon!
Basing a char classes survival on enchantments is a little scary. They should use stances instead ... which can be stripped, but are in general much safer.
And I play an assassin too amongst others, so I am not making fun of them when I say that Arcane Thievery can really ruin their whole day! I mean there are a lot of assassins who carry only one spell, Shadow Refuge. Take that away with Arcane Thievery for 30 sec, and you usually see them doing a 180 and vanishing over the horizon!
Basing a char classes survival on enchantments is a little scary. They should use stances instead ... which can be stripped, but are in general much safer.
lyra_song
As it stands now, the only thing we can judge is only on physical looks from those 4 sample images. So lets get to judging!!!
The Paragon male looks like a Warrior with new armor, the Paragon female looks like an elementalist....WAY too much like an elementalist.
The Dervish female looks sorta like a Ritualist, but a lot less whimsical. The hood definitely looks neat. ^^ The male dervish looks WAY too much like Zasalamel from Soul Calibur 3 >.>
I dont know how these characters will play, or what kind of presence they will have, but it its definitely exciting.
The Paragon male looks like a Warrior with new armor, the Paragon female looks like an elementalist....WAY too much like an elementalist.
The Dervish female looks sorta like a Ritualist, but a lot less whimsical. The hood definitely looks neat. ^^ The male dervish looks WAY too much like Zasalamel from Soul Calibur 3 >.>
I dont know how these characters will play, or what kind of presence they will have, but it its definitely exciting.
felinette
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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher
There's a difference between being excited to try something new and saying that these will be the best thing ever.
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I don't see how that's any different from praising them based on a short preview on two classes, aside from being of negative polarity. Some people get hyped up, and some people, well, don't.
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Markaedw
I just thought of something, the warrior stance buffs look like they are for Paragons. Could the warrior armor/shield nerfs be for the Dervish, will the Dervish get the ele damage protection that warriors lost?
Cresint
I'm almost tempted to say that the males look better than the females. Never thought that would happen
actionjack
I like their look... but the description sound very boring.. feel like just another clone of exisiting class combo (Paragon a shouting Monk with range weapon and Dervish a Elm/War with lots AoE). A.net could really do better.
Well.. of couse all have to wait for the test play to tell... but maybe I will save yet another $50 bucks.
Well.. of couse all have to wait for the test play to tell... but maybe I will save yet another $50 bucks.
Former Ruling
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Originally Posted by wilebill
Well, I play a mesmer quite often. Shatter Enchantment is lots of fun now, I can see it being even more fun real soon now!
And I play an assassin too amongst others, so I am not making fun of them when I say that Arcane Thievery can really ruin their whole day! I mean there are a lot of assassins who carry only one spell, Shadow Refuge. Take that away with Arcane Thievery for 30 sec, and you usually see them doing a 180 and vanishing over the horizon! Basing a char classes survival on enchantments is a little scary. They should use stances instead ... which can be stripped, but are in general much safer. |
Also Shatter costs ALOT and has a huge recharge...if their enchantments are quick cast and recharge...GG Shatter.
Lystell
I can't wait to try the new characters out.
I am not done with my new characters yet so it will be easy to create one of these characters to play in the weekend event.
Now I don't usually play in PvP so try not to pwn me to bad.
I am not done with my new characters yet so it will be easy to create one of these characters to play in the weekend event.
Now I don't usually play in PvP so try not to pwn me to bad.
Count to Potato
Paragons are new, support, sweet protection and probably good for spiking
ducktape
ZOMG, cool!!
I actually liked the desert in the first chapter, if they make the desert in Nightfall not full of devourers and scarabs, that will make my day. Plus, now that we know it's about the Elonians I do so wish they would release some screenshots of the PVE areas
I think I'm a lot more interested in the new classes than I was interested in the assassin and ritualist when they previewed those, they're still not all that interesting to me after playing them.
I'm really hoping that since the dev team that made chapter 1 is the team behind Nightfall that Nightfall will be as fun as chapter 1. I also hope the fact that they're starting previews this early means that they will have more than one preview event to work out core gameplay bugs before release (cough elite missions cough alliance battles) to make this next chapter awesome from the start.
Now I just get to sit around and drool waiting for the PVE preview event
I actually liked the desert in the first chapter, if they make the desert in Nightfall not full of devourers and scarabs, that will make my day. Plus, now that we know it's about the Elonians I do so wish they would release some screenshots of the PVE areas
I think I'm a lot more interested in the new classes than I was interested in the assassin and ritualist when they previewed those, they're still not all that interesting to me after playing them.
I'm really hoping that since the dev team that made chapter 1 is the team behind Nightfall that Nightfall will be as fun as chapter 1. I also hope the fact that they're starting previews this early means that they will have more than one preview event to work out core gameplay bugs before release (cough elite missions cough alliance battles) to make this next chapter awesome from the start.
Now I just get to sit around and drool waiting for the PVE preview event
TheMosesPHD
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I'm almost tempted to say that the males look better than the females. Never thought that would happen
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Lord Palidore
Convenient. I'm going to be out of town for my Birthday. Leaving on the 28th, coming back on the 30th, missing the entire event.
That's wrong on so many levels, lol.
As The Paragon- Sounds like a mix between a ritualist and a mesmer.
The Dervish- Sounds like a mix between a Warrior, Monk, and Assassin lol.
For the people who are saying the dervish is so cool, so awesome, and it looks ownage, just remember that was the exact things people said about assassins. Now look at how much hate they get, and how hard it is for them to get in groups :P.
That's wrong on so many levels, lol.
As The Paragon- Sounds like a mix between a ritualist and a mesmer.
The Dervish- Sounds like a mix between a Warrior, Monk, and Assassin lol.
For the people who are saying the dervish is so cool, so awesome, and it looks ownage, just remember that was the exact things people said about assassins. Now look at how much hate they get, and how hard it is for them to get in groups :P.
Former Ruling
I'd be happy just if any of the face and hair designs looked good :\
That was a letdown in Factions..The face designs were all Ugly.
That was a letdown in Factions..The face designs were all Ugly.
Drithlan
Scythes! I Think I Just Wet My Self!
ducktape
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Indeed. Tis a new era! No longer will we have to reluctantly surpress half of our poor char sprites into female bodies simply because to choose male would be to choose armor that makes you want to gouge your eyes out! No longer must we feel degrated when ugly 8 ft. wammos in ugly wammo armor stand on top of your char and stare at their boobies! I tell you, men, a new age is coming! Let us rejoice and /dance proudly once more!
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Now if they would just make the um...loincloth?...portion of the Paragon's battle skirt go down lower, so the skirt is basically all one length, that would be much better. I don't mind having the guy wear what we consider today to be a woman's skirt, because for many centuries the warriors all wore a skirt, or a robe that looked like a dress
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by Lord Palidore
For the people who are saying the dervish is so cool, so awesome, and it looks ownage, just remember that was the exact things people said about assassins. Now look at how much hate they get, and how hard it is for them to get in groups :P.
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If the Dervish and the Paragon become hated classes, it will most likely be for the same reason.
Players who cant play.
Rikimaru
The site said Dervishes are going to have low armor and compensate for that with evasion and heals, I doubt they'll be taking over as tanks.
Also, I remember seeing somewhere that the chapter would have a flying city. I Hope that was right.
Also, I remember seeing somewhere that the chapter would have a flying city. I Hope that was right.
Drithlan
EDIT: Double posted because of crappy loading thingy
ducktape
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Also, I remember seeing somewhere that the chapter would have a flying city. I Hope that was right.
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Me too! I always wanted to go up into that floating castle near galrath.
Vvon
This is B.S.
I am going in for heart surgery on the 26th and not going to be back until like August 2nd.
DAMNIT!!!
I <3 the new classes though.
Lol.
Dervish lfg mission!!!! (Wammo at heart)
I am going in for heart surgery on the 26th and not going to be back until like August 2nd.
DAMNIT!!!
I <3 the new classes though.
Lol.
Dervish lfg mission!!!! (Wammo at heart)
TheMosesPHD
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Originally Posted by Rikimaru
The site said Dervishes are going to have low armor and compensate for that with evasion and heals, I doubt they'll be taking over as tanks.
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The only other thing that you might be thinking of is an interview I read once that talked about a city where all these plants and decorations were just floating in the air magically. Or maybe there actually will be a floating city where the "guardian angel" paragon's hail from. It'll be fun to wait and see.
Eet GnomeSmasher
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Scythes! I Think I Just Wet My Self!
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TheMosesPHD
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Twice even!
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Drithlan
nah the second one was ment for the spear throwing but i couldnt get my mind off of the scythe
Shadow Dragon
Don't scrap warriors yet. we're here to stay. 
(the proper ones atleast)
(the proper ones atleast)
Caleb
Spear Chuckers Unite!
DevilStick
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This is B.S.
I am going in for heart surgery on the 26th and not going to be back until like August 2nd. DAMNIT!!! I <3 the new classes though. Lol. Dervish lfg mission!!!! (Wammo at heart) |
TheMosesPHD
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Are you having the wammo removed then?
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Darksun
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This is because people are not playing the class as its supposed to be played. They are getting killed and giving assassins a bad name. Its not the class' fault that a good lot of players are playing like fools -.o
If the Dervish and the Paragon become hated classes, it will most likely be for the same reason. Players who cant play. |
I just wanted to throw out a question here. Does anyone else think that Anet will begin spreading it's players too thin? There are certain areas that are already hard to get a PUG, if they add a new Chaper every 6 mo, soon it will be impossible! It's nice to have new chapters & such, but I don't think they are pulling in so many players that they make up for the spread.
Does Anet need a new buisness model soon? I mean, maybe paying to open different types of armor or weapons or something, but if they keep adding new Missions, the players will all diffuse over the maps. Not only that, but ppl will be locked into whatever chapers they have making some of the spread totally unable to connect. I dunno. I like new content & such, but the people need to be able to play together!
Lil Pips
I'm really excited.
I also hope we get new models for the new classes and the current pictures just use placeholder models.
My predictions on new skills:
Cafemonger - Obsessionation - 5/1/60 - Enchantment. For each hour you have been online (maximum 24), you gain +2% chance for the next 50..250 loot drops to be assigned to you.
And...the new skill for Dervishes to temporarily change into a god!
I also hope we get new models for the new classes and the current pictures just use placeholder models.
My predictions on new skills:
Cafemonger - Obsessionation - 5/1/60 - Enchantment. For each hour you have been online (maximum 24), you gain +2% chance for the next 50..250 loot drops to be assigned to you.
And...the new skill for Dervishes to temporarily change into a god!
Halc yon
These classes sound a lot like some of the concept classes suggested by these forum members.
The dervish class was proposed
and check out this concept that i had on a commander unit that uses shouts and stuff, similar to the paragon. is it just coincidence?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025416
The dervish class was proposed
and check out this concept that i had on a commander unit that uses shouts and stuff, similar to the paragon. is it just coincidence?
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3025416