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The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 00:21 - 1161

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artkin

Guild Wars not a grind!!!! what a joke....the whole game is grinding

grinding to find groups
grinding to achieve titles
grinding to get money to by sigs to cap skills
grinding to find decent weapons
grinding to level your heroes
grinding for gold to buy armor and weapons
GRIND GRIND GRIND...many more examples

Why do they not cap the XP level, and keep offering experience for quests that will only be done after you are 10 times over level 20?

I love how people like you will complain about one thing then when called out on it, find other things to complain about and now you're completely offtopic. Seriously if you find that much hate about the game just quit. Save us all the grief.

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

04 Dec 2006 at 00:22 - 1162

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

One last comment to those that say many of us gripeing only go in a few times and give up.... I have done NOTHING and I mean NOTHING but join form create teams from people I know and respect in this game many many of these players are insanely experienced players from rank 6 hoh players all the way to rank 12... We are not n00bs we are not brainless and we do have a good grasp on how to counter various things. I am totaly sick of the whole your not elite enough bs... Many of those makeing these comments couldn't hold there own to fight there way out of a wet paper sack if the build wasnt given to them.

You just said what I've been itching to say since I stumbled upon this thread. I've held back to avoid the inevitable flame fest that would ensue. So kudos to you for having figuratively bigger brass ones than I!

getalifebud

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

N/

04 Dec 2006 at 00:22 - 1163

Yeah it looks like this is for people who know how to play their classes well, I need to get my necro through nightfall so I can destroy some enemies with my curse skills.

explodemyheart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Indiana

Gui1d War스 P01ic트 [Pr으]

Mo/

04 Dec 2006 at 00:23 - 1164

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

One last comment to those that say many of us gripeing only go in a few times and give up.... I have done NOTHING and I mean NOTHING but join form create teams from people I know and respect in this game many many of these players are insanely experienced players from rank 6 hoh players all the way to rank 12... We are not n00bs we are not brainless and we do have a good grasp on how to counter various things. I am totaly sick of the whole your not elite enough bs... Many of those makeing these comments couldn't hold there own to fight there way out of a wet paper sack if the build wasnt given to them.

First of all, rank matters not in PvE. Just because you're good at PvP doesn't mean you'll be good at PvE. In fact, I know many a high ranked people that don't know crap about PvE, and completely suck at it. For that reason alone, there's no need to throw rank into your argument.

Second, I find your whole post incredibly amusing. I have not joined a single group for DoA with people that I know, save for the very first time a guildie and I entered an area with heroes to see what it was like. In fact, most of my groups have been blind invites. I've gone with assassins, mesmers, rits, dervs and paragons in my group. I haven't gone with a single group running the Winter + MoF build, as only one of my groups even had a ranger in it and they didn't even have Winter anyway. I can do decently with unorganized pug groups, yet you claim you can't get anywhere with supposedly insanely experienced organized groups?

Renegade ++RIP++

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 00:29 - 1165

Quote:

Originally Posted by icedragon981

It is true that you can compete in Guild Wars easily without much time commitment but only against certain areas/people, just like how the casual basketball player can compete with other casual players but is in a totally different league as proffessionals.
Also, yes, Guild Wars' target market is the casual gamers but do you expect them to treat the casual gamers to the exact same content as the "elite" players? That's catering completely to the casual gamer because there is absolutely nothing to seperate the casual from the elite, which no game does.

Any physical sport/game: casual vs. proffessional
WoW: Non Raiders vs. Raiders
GW: Casual vs. the end-game-content-playing "elite"

All of these latter require time, patience and effort. There is a LOT of content in Guild Wars for the casual players but the elite players have to have something to seperate them from the casual, that being the Domain/Gate of Anguish.

Edit: In reply to the post above me, posted while I was typing this...

If you don't consider this area fun, why bother with it? I am constantly bombarded with people telling me to play WoW instead of GW but I feel that WoW if much more of a forced grind to even be remotely competetive while in GW, you can just start playing, go to RA and be competetive if you feel that that is fun. Noone if forcing you to play in the the elite areas that you don't feel are fun so why do you wish to insult those who find these areas interesting, challenging, and fun to them?

Actually, if you cater towards casual player you build the entire game around their enjoyment and you make sure to finetune everything towards them. You don't start adding areas, no matter how small, to cater to hardcore/ professional gamers since that would confuse your targetaudience. This is basic Business strategy. The only way how you could cater to the hardcore would be by adding a difficulty slider as seen in many single player rpgs, but naturally for a mmo this would be not an option. Still the way you can better entice hardcore people is by adding an enticing region with interesting repeatable quests and decent rewards, in that case you speak to both the casual player, seeing as he can still get some good rewards, while the hardcore player can get them faster and therefore get more rewards. This is something about which the hardcore p^layer will care and the casual player wouldn't give a thing seeing as he will not waste any of his precious time. As you have in sf, good rewards,repeatable quests, not to long --> winner.

Reason why you bother with it is because you payed for it and you want to get every bang out of your buck, not to mention that you don't want to comment on something before actually having tried it... On top of that only reason why you complain is so that anet finally figures out what people want... since i had really hoped they had learned out of their mistakes with factions... which was the worst chapter of the entire trilogy with nightfall second just because of this extra content. If they had released content similar in funfactor to sf they would have had another blockbuster... and made sure that I would imediately buy the next episode when it comes out... now I will pass up on th einitial release and wait on friends experience or reviews... I won't led another preview cloud my judgement as I did a missale with factions and now again with nightfall...

Bocjo Bassannn

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

Pervs R Us {pErV}

Mo/Me

04 Dec 2006 at 00:36 - 1166

Quote:

Originally Posted by explodemyheart

First of all, rank matters not in PvE. Just because you're good at PvP doesn't mean you'll be good at PvE. In fact, I know many a high ranked people that don't know crap about PvE, and completely suck at it. For that reason alone, there's no need to throw rank into your argument.

Second, I find your whole post incredibly amusing. I have not joined a single group for DoA with people that I know, save for the very first time a guildie and I entered an area with heroes to see what it was like. In fact, most of my groups have been blind invites. I've gone with assassins, mesmers, rits, dervs and paragons in my group. I haven't gone with a single group running the Winter + MoF build, as only one of my groups even had a ranger in it and they didn't even have Winter anyway. I can do decently with unorganized pug groups, yet you claim you can't get anywhere with supposedly insanely experienced organized groups?

Ya know what your right rank doesnt matter in pve... It was my way of showing that these are not players who have no concept of good builds... Personaly I am just under 7thousand hr old pve player... Yes I have joined several of these blind invite groups just to see if they were trying different things that my groups were... Decently... define decently for me... Decently for me is getting at least to the boss and getting owned... Most of the groups I have been in do good to get to the top of the hill if that far...

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

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04 Dec 2006 at 00:38 - 1167

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

Ya know what your right rank doesnt matter in pve... It was my way of showing that these are not players who have no concept of good builds... Personaly I am just under 7thousand hr old pve player... Yes I have joined several of these blind invite groups just to see if they were trying different things that my groups were... Decently... define decently for me... Decently for me is getting at least to the boss and getting owned... Most of the groups I have been in do good to get to the top of the hill if that far...

PvE and PvP are two totally different worlds, I don't take a 55 monk into PvP and you don't take 8 IWAY warriors into PvE and we can be happy.

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

04 Dec 2006 at 00:41 - 1168

This new mission is realy not fun, specialy when you stay home to see and try the new miossion and you get nowhere for the first 2 hours.

This misison is just like:
go in and kill some over powerd monky's (monsters) with lots of dmg and "yay" you have finished a quest. not a cool area nothing to see that you go: wow omg that looks nice, you don't even get the chance to look at anything else but "monky's" in there.

What happend to the design team that made Prophecies? they took a day off and this is what happend? or this is some kind of revange for ppl playing the a the game togetter and hf meeting new ppl in pug's or what?

Not every1 in a guild has finished the missions to join party with me and my LB rank is not high enogh to get in a group. "yay"

I see a game where i could have fun in it and i buy and play that game,
but to tell ppl hey this is an "ELITE" mission for "ELITE" ppl does not make me want to play that game.
I realy had fun in all chapters and even in Cantha elite missions.

What i have read here in this topics just tell me: Get in a big guild with lots of ppl that do not have a life (play 24/7) and make a group to play more then 5 hours for 1 quest/misison. (wow over joyed)

I think what Anet has done is not fair to most gamers, I do not care about how elite they want to make an area, I just want to be able to enter a group and hf doing some quest when i log out the real life and log into GW.

IMO this whole idea of elite mission sucks, no matter how much hardcore players say they like it, it's most gamers saying that they do not and i think that's who Anet should listen to and make happy (happy gamer is the one that buy's the next chapter), not the "elite/hardcore/ 24/7 gamers".
I'm not saying make everything easy, just give a group a chance to enter and look around before they hit the ground.

Well that's my opinion anyway.

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

04 Dec 2006 at 00:42 - 1169

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

One last comment to those that say many of us gripeing only go in a few times and give up.... I have done NOTHING and I mean NOTHING but join form create teams from people I know and respect in this game many many of these players are insanely experienced players from rank 6 hoh players all the way to rank 12... We are not n00bs we are not brainless and we do have a good grasp on how to counter various things. I am totaly sick of the whole your not elite enough bs... Many of those makeing these comments couldn't hold there own to fight there way out of a wet paper sack if the build wasnt given to them.

I do not think you are noob, or those with rank12 HoH titles noob.
I think you guys are very good players, better than us.
I will never achieve that kind of rank of fame, and we are mediocrate GvG players.

However, I do think what we have over you guys is patience, friends that works together to have fun, and lack of ego of thinking we rule.
With your guys skills, you will find a way around this eventually. However, in your belief that you are "elite enough" that this should be a cakewalk, you are turning blind eye to the solution.

What I'm trying to say is, you need to give yourself a chance.
Even with your uber skills, there's still much to learn.
If we can do it, you can. And I'm sure in GvG, you guys would pwn us in under 10 minutes.

raven214

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

R/

04 Dec 2006 at 00:42 - 1170

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

I think the main issue is that he's a regular hero whom you have to go to ridiculous lengths to obtain. Had he remained unique in some way(like the variable profession thing), then I'm sure no one would be complaining, as the difficulty would be warranted. But he is no longer special, or unique, beyond being the only ritualist, and the amount of trouble to get him is disproportionate to his worth.

Exactly. I don't see a problem with there being an insanely difficult area that's off to the side (i.e. not required to beat the game) for those that want the challenge, but the reward is the Faction's ritualist hero that should've been Razah the variable profession hero... The reward in no way matches the area, neither in terms of chapter nor difficulty.

ANet, Gaile, please respond.

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

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04 Dec 2006 at 00:45 - 1171

Quote:

Originally Posted by aohige

I do not think you are noob, or those with rank12 HoH titles noob.
I think you guys are very good players, better than us.
I will never achieve that kind of rank of fame, and we are mediocrate GvG players.

However, I do think what we have over you guys is patience, friends that works together to have fun, and lack of ego of thinking we rule.
With your guys skills, you will find a way around this eventually. However, in your belief that you are "elite enough" that this should be a cakewalk, you are turning blind eye to the solution.

What I'm trying to say is, you need to give yourself a chance.
Even with your uber skills, there's still much to learn.
If we can do it, you can. And I'm sure in GvG, you guys would pwn us in under 10 minutes.

As I said, I only play PvE (PvP very infrecuently, only rank 2 and that was obtained during the double fame weekend) and PvP experience != PvE experience

-.-

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 00:46 - 1172

Wow, I'm surprised this isn't closed yet.

Just live with the fact that Anet will introduce updates and areas we will hate....and yes, I do hate this area.

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

04 Dec 2006 at 00:55 - 1173

Quote:

Originally Posted by icedragon981

As I said, I only play PvE (PvP very infrecuently, only rank 2 and that was obtained during the double fame weekend) and PvP experience != PvE experience

Yes, this is true, icedragon. But your statement does not contradict mine.
My point is, it's not that these people aren't "elite enough" for this quest...

I think, it's the opposite.

Their knowledge and experience of Guild Wars is often blinding them with the ego of thinking they are "so elite", that they cannot believe at the fact, that they spend hours and cannot beat the area.
Regardless of wether that experience is PvE or PvP, many of these people have hurt egos from this mission, and therefore, thinks it's rediculous.

I don't mean to insult these players, I've been here since day 1 of the beta two years ago also, but these players no doubt are "better players" than me. Or many of my friends in guilds, alliances.
But we're having fun, and making progress (beat two of the four parts of DoA, gonna work on the other two tonight), not because we are "elite", but because we are bunch of friends that works together, and "learn".
We know our place, this gives us an advantage: We know we need to learn, and are willing.

[riVen]

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Refuge From Exile [RFE]

04 Dec 2006 at 01:05 - 1174

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artkin

prediction....

Chapter 4 or an update...level increases for characters!!!

how else do they expect a group of 8 level 20s to fight a group of 10 or more level 28s

Yes, A-net will definately increase the level cap so we can better battle DoA. Absolutely. Extremely likely.
Honestly.

Damn, where are those sarcasm tags when you need 'em.

How else to fight the lvl 28 mobs? Well, expecting your average PUG will plow through DoA would be an illusion. But believe me, with a group of decent players, and a bit of figuring out what works in a certain area and what not, you'll get there. Just like I did.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 01:06 - 1175

Quote:

Originally Posted by Angel Develin

This new mission is realy not fun, specialy when you stay home to see and try the new miossion and you get nowhere for the first 2 hours.

Hmm..when I first read this I thought it was an incredibly stupid statement, that for things to be fun they have to be incredebly easy, but now I actually see it is something a lot of players see as a truth. I do not have Nightfall, was never impressed enough to buy it, but even without seeing a screenshot of it or a gameplay example I can tell you very much what it is about. So simply, none of the criticism about it surprises me. To put it in simple terms, I don't get impressed with a Mercedes-Benz getting a new paint job and more decorated interior, I pay attention to the horsepower and the performance ability. With practicly only visual changes to chapters(excluding a few minor things), it is not something to blow my mind about. I want to play this game, not just stare at the wonderful scenery. Yes, the graphics are nice, but if I wanted to see beautiful things I would go to an art gallery or go outside to see the natural world, something a computer can never duplicate.

Bocjo Bassannn

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

Pervs R Us {pErV}

Mo/Me

04 Dec 2006 at 01:25 - 1176

Ok I give my point was missed and I dont want to turn this into yet another pvp vs pve argument because that is not what this was about...

My in game name is Bocjo Bassann I have every elite every skill for the monk from all chapters. I also have a ranger, assasin, necro, and paragon ready with all skills all elites to do this mission.... If you want a patient player who will run any build on your team give me a yell... I can and will play for as long as it takes to compleate these areas and I wont rage quit on you. I too am after a working solution to these areas and I am trying to be part of the solution not the problem... Perhaps my problem is indeed finding groups with the paitence knowledge and ability to get anywhere in this new area.

icedragon981

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

At my computer

Teh Nine [lll]

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04 Dec 2006 at 01:29 - 1177

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

Perhaps my problem is indeed finding groups with the paitence knowledge and ability to get anywhere in this new area.

On my Paragon I've beaten the city and came very close to beating Ravenheart with normal PUGs, it's just a matter of time, you'll get it eventually.

Angel Develin

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Lions Arch

Minions of Kronos

N/Me

04 Dec 2006 at 01:39 - 1178

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

Hmm..when I first read this I thought it was an incredibly stupid statement, that for things to be fun they have to be incredebly easy, but now I actually see it is something a lot of players see as a truth. I do not have Nightfall, was never impressed enough to buy it, but even without seeing a screenshot of it or a gameplay example I can tell you very much what it is about. So simply, none of the criticism about it surprises me. To put it in simple terms, I don't get impressed with a Mercedes-Benz getting a new paint job and more decorated interior, I pay attention to the horsepower and the performance ability. With practicly only visual changes to chapters(excluding a few minor things), it is not something to blow my mind about. I want to play this game, not just stare at the wonderful scenery. Yes, the graphics are nice, but if I wanted to see beautiful things I would go to an art gallery or go outside to see the natural world, something a computer can never duplicate.

GW prophecies had a beautiful design but it had not what you call "horsepower" (but the game was/is one of the best games i have played) it was a nice game and I still love it but it was mostly the design that get most ppl into GW(at least most ppl i know+screenshot part of guru:P),
What we got now in elite mission is the "horse power", I think it's more like a F-16 power but hey horse power will do

, but little design. I think that the radar is more beutifull in elite mission then the area in there(as far as i have seen it+some screen shots).

Sal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

PWN

Mo/E

04 Dec 2006 at 01:42 - 1179

ELITISM - adj & n : The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The first mistake Anet made was to use this word to describe it's extra missions / quests in all three campaigns. It's inflammatory , and seems to bring out the worst in some people IMHO . There are (and were ) many elitists in this small world of ours and if one of them had his way we would all be blue eyed with jet black hair.

I'm sure George Bush thinks he's elite , but someone probably had to tell him that

Dick Cheyney is elite , but I wouldn't go hunting with him for all the plat in the world

I bet this thread reads very similar to the Anet devs forum threads everytime one of their "Elite" missions was cracked by the gamers and builds were tweaked and refined to allow the missions to be aced by all .

Damn leet haxxors beat my mission , gotta get the okay from abbadon to nerf the area !!!!!

Okay , okay , back to matters at hand .

Should the DoA be nerfed ? I don't think so , it's not for everyone , but for those that enjoy it , more power to you . I will continue to take cracks at it now and again , but will wait for my guildies to get through NF so we can attack it together.

Do I think the Rit hero should be aquired the way he is now ?

Absolutely not !! Unless he's a lvl 28 Rit Lord with 300 attribute points , glows teal blue with a uber green Rit stave that fires nuclear AoE dmg out his arse , he should be outside Kaineng Center available to all that have the Factions campaign by doing a simple quest.

This thread and the others like it are all proposing similar arguments and should be put to bed.

1. Move the Rit hero so all that have completed NF can easily aquire him .

2. Leave the DoA as it is.

Problem solved

Now happy gaming all

Sal

lambda the great

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

here

Almost a Guild

W/N

04 Dec 2006 at 01:50 - 1180

DOA Separates the men... from the sissies

\,,/O_O \,,/ really leave it as hard as possible gw is too easy as it is.

Twitch1977

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 01:55 - 1181

I like that it's a very hard area and I agree that overall NF was very easy. The only thing I don't like is that PUG's only want certain professions and certain builds. I know that's not ANet's fault at all, but it still sucks.

T

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

04 Dec 2006 at 02:07 - 1182

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bocjo Bassannn

Perhaps my problem is indeed finding groups with the paitence knowledge and ability to get anywhere in this new area.

That's my problem as well.

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

04 Dec 2006 at 02:21 - 1183

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal

ELITISM - adj & n : The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The first mistake Anet made was to use this word to describe it's extra missions / quests in all three campaigns. It's inflammatory , and seems to bring out the worst in some people IMHO . There are (and were ) many elitists in this small world of ours and if one of them had his way we would all be blue eyed with jet black hair.

...

Actually, it's never been referred to as an elitism mission. It's always been called an elite mission.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dictionary.com

e·lite /ɪˈlit, eɪˈlit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-leet, ey-leet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. (often used with a plural verb) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2. (used with a plural verb) persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.
3. a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group: the power elite of a major political party.

This is an elite mission because it isn't meant for every one. It is designed for the best pve players, just like the gvg world championships are for the best pvp players. The pve players haven't had a lot missions that separate the good from the average, this does just that. Theoretically completing it will reward them in some way, just like the best pvp players in the world get rewards that distinguish them from the average pvp'er. The elite players have been begging for a challenging mission, now they have it.

sacrypheyes

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 02:32 - 1184

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal

[...]
Do I think the Rit hero should be aquired the way he is now ?

Absolutely not !! Unless he's a lvl 28 Rit Lord with 300 attribute points , glows teal blue with a uber green Rit stave that fires nuclear AoE dmg out his arse , he should be outside Kaineng Center available to all that have the Factions campaign by doing a simple quest.

This thread and the others like it are all proposing similar arguments and should be put to bed.

1. Move the Rit hero so all that have completed NF can easily aquire him .

2. Leave the DoA as it is.

Problem solved

Now happy gaming all

Sal

QTF

would it have hurt them so much to barely put razah right at the end of the throne of secrets with some quest mark above his head telling "hey man, would you mind meeting me at DoA so that i join you?"... screw that

could someone tell me again why a rit hero is that hard to get in nightfall while players who didn't own factions will have about no use of him?

i could care less about DoA as i'll try my best and take as much time as needed to complete it anyway but i damn need this rit hero

Guardian of the Light

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Radicals Against Tyrants

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04 Dec 2006 at 02:39 - 1185

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

04 Dec 2006 at 02:41 - 1186

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X

Sounds kind of retarded.

If it was intended to be elite as you say, then they specifically made a part of the game for less than 10% of their customers. Which is stupid because you are supposed to be targeting 90%+.

Fuzzy tactics are becoming a staple...

Caught you before the edit.

What percentage of their customers have access to the world championship with actual cash rewards?

Nearly everything A-net has done in the last 18 months has been done to dumb down this game to make it easy for that 90%. Finally they do something to appease that 10%, and the 90% blast them for it. Dont worry, I'm sure with enough complaining and time, they will dumb this down as well.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

04 Dec 2006 at 02:43 - 1187

Apparently it's apart of the mission. Because they should have res shrines so 4.5 hours of work don't go down the drain because of a lag out or mistake.

Manic Smile

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

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04 Dec 2006 at 02:45 - 1188

The title doesn't help you...

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

04 Dec 2006 at 02:47 - 1189

Relax: It's cool guys. Titan Gemstones are a requirement of the final hero.

So it's guaranteed that none of you will ever finish that quest.

Down to 4 districts in GoA. Not as many groups forming. Mostly chest farming (which is actually what the area seems designed for--try it).

Sal

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

PWN

Mo/E

04 Dec 2006 at 02:48 - 1190

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fates Monk

Actually, it's never been referred to as an elitism mission. It's always been called an elite mission.

Quite right , I used the adjective to describe (what I believe) to be the mind set of the current threads in this regard .

Quote:

This is an elite mission because it isn't meant for every one

Case in point.

Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

04 Dec 2006 at 02:50 - 1191

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spazzer

Relax: It's cool guys. Titan Gemstones are a requirement of the final hero.

So it's guaranteed that none of you will ever finish that quest.

Down to 4 districts in GoA. Not as many groups forming. Mostly chest farming (which is actually what the area seems designed for--try it).

Gemstones can drop from any of the mobs in that area. I can guarrantee a week or two from now, most of the gemstones that'll be sold would be ones from people who farm the first or 2nd groups of mobs.

Omega X

Ninja Unveiler

Join Date: Jun 2005

Louisiana, USA

Boston Guild[BG]

W/Me

04 Dec 2006 at 02:55 - 1192

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fates Monk

Caught you before the edit.

What percentage of their customers have access to the world championship with actual cash rewards?

Nearly everything A-net has done in the last 18 months has been done to dumb down this game to make it easy for that 90%. Finally they do something to appease that 10%, and the 90% blast them for it. Dont worry, I'm sure with enough complaining and time, they will dumb this down as well.

Seems that you did catch me before the edit...and disappearance of that message for some reason.

I haven't seen them dumb down much of anything in the last 18 months. Just look at the AI change. IF they really wanted to make things easier, they would have removed the Run on AOE, Kite on Attack for caster classes, retreat on empty HP and not aggro on sight OR making them better at using skills. AND made them lvl 20 and not lvl 28/30 mobs of 12 to 16 all the time. The PvP type of missions lately also makes it harder for the average player. So of course the 90% will blast them for it.

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

04 Dec 2006 at 02:55 - 1193

Quote:

Originally Posted by icedragon981

On my Paragon I've beaten the city and came very close to beating Ravenheart with normal PUGs, it's just a matter of time, you'll get it eventually.

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

Spazzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

USA

Team Asshat [Hat]

Mo/E

04 Dec 2006 at 02:58 - 1194

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclair

Gemstones can drop from any of the mobs in that area.

They are mob specific. Have fun farming Titans.

Eclair

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

04 Dec 2006 at 03:00 - 1195

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spazzer

They are mob specific. Have fun farming Titans.

Well, either way, somebody will figure out a good method. You only need 1 gemstone to get Razah anyways.

Although the 25 of each gemstone for the armbrace of truth will seriously be incredibly painful.

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

04 Dec 2006 at 03:04 - 1196

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

There are no titles required for this area.

I repeat.

There are no titles required for this area.

High lightbringer ranks only helps you a tiny fraction, and is not anywhere near enough to save your butts.
It's very funny to see LB discrimination going on around, and yet they seem to fail to complete any of the four zones in the quest.
Yet our motley crew of so-so-players complete two zones with lb ranks of 1-4.

grottoftl

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 03:07 - 1197

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

check out the elonian explorers' league section they have threads where people have completed the quests and giving out builds and where exactly did icedragon say he was going to make money off of people here?

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

04 Dec 2006 at 03:08 - 1198

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

Sorry but if the only thing here is just new skins for old weapons and a hero which should of been included in the main game in the 1st place. I and I belive MANY others don't see the point. Maybe if there where actually NEW weapons and I mean REALLY NEW never before seen weapons in GW in here and a "Boss" Hero then it would probley be worth it. But as it stands its NOT

Any thing said in this post IS MY OPINION. You may or may not agree with it. But don't go posting thats its not a vaild opinion as it just as vaild as anyone elses.

Spike, you keep posting complaints yet you don't seem to go around looking for strategy threads.

DoA: Stygian Veil completed - strategy and build

Now, if we were so selfish that we want to KEEP THIS TO OURSELVES, why would we write guides and inform the massess?
Read the thread, there ARE "NEW never before seen weapons" in these areas for rewards. Including greens. Yes, greens.
You're screaming for proof, so why don't you come to this thread?

Kakumei

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2005

Grind is subjective

learn this please

04 Dec 2006 at 03:09 - 1199

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

It just SOOO easy for people who want to keep this place to them selfs like icedragon so they can rip people off for the gems for 50k each to say that they have done it but so far I have yet to see ANY proof from icedragon. Me thinks he's got about as far as most people IE NOWHERE. Its SO sad that some people need to lie about what they have done in a game to make them feel big. What about those of us who don't wish to waste 00's of hours and 000's of deaths to get it. Only to find we have'nt even got to the mission yet.

What part don't you believe? Beating the City of Torc'Qua isn't all that difficult, overall--it's merely incredibly long and very unforgiving of mistakes.

If you want actual proof, I do have screenshots, and I could throw down the build my PuG used skill-for-skill.

Shaden

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

Lost Keys to Perception {lost}

R/

04 Dec 2006 at 03:11 - 1200

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

Really Anet making a area for the "elite" doesn't make sense because Anet needs to sell to the "casual player".

I wouldn't mind if the MISSION was this hard but the quest and the areas are extremely hard too. That skill enraged makes the area just plain stupid. Not all of us can afford to grind for the titles needed for this place and to get Razah.

But Anet also needs to appeal to the non-casual players. They already gave casual players the best PvE expansion, now they need to give something to those who want more than that. Just because some large percent equals casual players, doesn't mean you can forget the rest. I agree, Razah needs to be moved, but an area appealling to those who are above standard gaming level is great. Just because they represent a small amount of players doesn't mean you over-look them... so your first point goes nowhere in my humble opinion.