PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

GW isn't like most mmorgs, you silly child.
Kthxbai

I think that the 'Hall of Monuments' is gonna be a great feature! Frankly, I can't wait to start all over, and I wont be losing my hard earned titles. This will of course be even better if more of the titles get functions *hint hint*

Provisionally speaking, I won't be buying Guild Wars 2. It seems the team's philosophy in both PvE and PvP is moving away from what I enjoy about their current product, and towards the elements that I really, viscerally loathe about Nightfall.

...Were I a paranoid man - and I'm nothing if not that! - I'd suspect they've decided to allow Achievements to carry over onto the next game to spite me, in the full knowledge that I can't stand 'em since they started being linked to gameplay. The more realistic side of me acknowledges that I haven't been vocal enough in my disapproval for that to be the case, though.

(The inability to transfer characters is something I don't mind in the slightest - it's an obvious and sensible move in the face of the new races system and the full /levels rebalancing. In other words, that's not what I'm complaining about!)

The only question that remains is whether I'm likely to pick up Ye Olde Expansion Pack... And to be honest, I'm unsure. On one hand, I'm reasonably interested in "more-of-the-same" type content. On the other hand, PvE-only skills and the hero system have sucked enough of my enjoyment out of Nightfall PvE already - an expansion devoted entirely to those two elements sounds, well, bad.

...So on the current balance of probabilities, it looks like I'll stop playing Guild Wars if-when the userbase fragments off to play the new expansion. A pity, but then I've gotten plenty of value for my money already!

There's a moral here, kiddies: No matter what you're told by employees whose job it is to massage information, or by the all-too-zealous moderation team, you must get your complaints, ideas and requirements in early if you want to be heard. Once they're ready to announce official feature sets it's too late.

Way, way, waaay too late.

For example:
...Shows you don't pay enough attention to how this system works. The simple fact of the matter is that the amount of cacophonous screaming on this board is going to directly affect how many WoW-type features do or do not end up in GW2. Minor features, that is, since it looks like it's too late for some details like the longer level progression (see my comments on "getting in early", above).

So even if you happen to be an illiterate idiot, you may as well tell them what you want - in all caps, if you must. Devs are human, whether they like it or not. This stuff sinks in.

[edit] Come to think of it, a game designed entirely around getting in a bunch of Gwen jokes sounds like my own personal hell! I hate that GW meme! [/edit]

clearly missed my point, *sigh*

and while GW isn't technically a MMORPG (a-net says so) GW2 certainly seems to be aimed at moving in that direction

The truth about Gwen:

http://guildwarseries.free.fr/

So... GW2 does not sound like a great game to me atm. Has nothing that lured me to the original..

Ah well... some form of online Diablo will be out round that time.

My guess as to why Anet is seeking to change the style of play from a CORPG to an MMORPG, is probably a matter of technology and what they could afford. I'm betting that their original idea was to create an MMO, but they didn't have the resources or enough funding to get powerful servers for persistent world-style play.

Not to mention, two years ago at release, there were still a lot of people on dial-up. That number, I'm sure is decreasing each month, and by the time GW2 is out, should be almost nil.

Now that GW has been a resounding success, they have enough funding for powerful servers, and they can pursue their original plans. I think that if this true, I applaud it. The designers should do what they want to do with their game, and what makes it successful - GW2 looks like it is both.

I dont mind about the extra levels, if they are just a form of XP title than thats fine. So long as progression is fast, fun and non grind(rat killing FTL) I kinda don't care.

Part of me is Sad that we cannot take the characters over. But there is no reason, why in role playing terms the new character could not be the old one reborn into a new body. Cylon Shan - lol.

There is enough lore and backstory to support whatever we, the players come up with. So it's not the end of our characters, just a new start.

I understand about people wanting to celebrate and not lose ones items and achievements, heck i've spent millions on Shan. But this is a new story, a new journey and it's two years away.

So yes in two years Shan will be reborn, she'll probably look a little different, wont have the items right away she had before. But thats ok, it's sad in a way, and I think a few people feel as though they have been given a death sentence two years from now. But what those people need to realise is
1/ It's just a game, pick it up, put it down it does'nt matter. It has to end sometime.
2/ Your character is a representation of the RL you in a game. if the character goes, you don't vanish(thankfully - lol)

3/ There is no reason whatsoever that you cannot role play something like this "At the end of her life, Shan did not go to the hall of heroes. But under special intervention from Kormir was taken directly into the mists, to be reborn when Tyria needed her most.

Like King Arthur, Shan will go to her Avalon. Waiting, once more for Tyria to cry out in need"

See works for me.

Don't worry

Sounds like they're moving away from what i liked about this game... Oh well, there's still alot of time left for me to change my mind though. Gonna buy GWEN but if thats how GW2 is going to be (the preview) then I'll probably stay away.

And I just remembered! Make sure that the graphics are still so everyone can play GW2 on their comps, but that doesn't mean that the ones who have the cappacity, wouldn't like a bit of extra beauty
Me wants über graphics! XD

Realistically, in today's world, I do not think that the issue of whether it is a MMORPG or CORPG posed a big problem.

The important questions are:

1. Will the project (the game) be profitable? (ie How many players will it attract?)
2. Will there be potential for increased revenues?

Those are probably the more fundamental and immediate questions.

As such, it doesn't matter whether if it's a MMORPG or CORPG, in fact, it would be better if it can be an FPS, MMORPG and everything else into one, for the very reason that it can make its footing on other pies (population base) from the other categories of game. This inevitably brings us back to the most fundamental question, will the project be profitable?

I'm a firm and pragmatic believer of capitalism and politics, hence all these make sense to me when I see it from that direction.

I apologise if I am being too pragmatic or realistic in my approach to all these issues.


Regards,
Ariel

And you miss the entire point of the argument. Guild Wars is such a good game because, although it may be classified as an mmorg (or something rather), it's got a sense of balance to it. The balance that you just don't see in the other mmorgs, namely WoW. I'll use GvG as an example, you have 64 skills to choose from. You need to consider, your guild's strengths, weaknessess, current meta, can it split?, how should you play it?, who should play what roles?, how to deal with an X pressure build? Whereas in WoW it's more like "Ahhhh, I just saw those three rogues disappear. I'll just sit here and count to three while they stun, lock, and crit kill me. Yup, I love WoW." It's being overly harsh but nonetheless, GW is just so much different to those games. Further, let's not forget about PvE. Admit it or not, 99% of 'other mmorg' PvE is just senseless farming for loot. Sure you can do that in GW, but think about Lamda, Racthoh and Witte (and heaps more). Look at the challenge in GW PvE. If you want to, you can do smite runs every day and get rich fast. Np man, it's your account. But you can challenge yourself by trying to solo places that just seem to damn un-soloable, lol Sorrow's Furnace, Hell's Prec, Ring of Fire, The Deep, Nearly all of Tyria.. to name a few. Getting to it, GW is just so much different to those other games, to completely change it like that is just a real pity.

Thanks,
~Rhanoct

Biggest load of crud ever. Factions took 1 day to beat with a foreign character and NF took 3 days with a foreign character (mainly because of the f#%k up on the first day, yes you all know what im talking about). Add 2 days to each with a local character to get off noob island and lvl up.

The real reason they arent doing it anymore is cuz there arent any good games left for them to ripoff professions (D2 anyone...), and their devs dont have good imaginations.

I hope to God in GWs2 they can make decent cutsceens... about the only thing you didnt ripoff from D2.

/owned

and i'm not arguing against that, we're talking about GW2 not GW

Wow, I knew the news of CH4 and GW2 gonna be big, didn't expect it to be this big. A lot of anger, I can see why, I might as well stop whatever it is I'm doing in GW because it won't matter anymore.

But I will get GW:EN when that come out and will enjoy it for what it is. Also I would like to leave something of a legacy in that Hall of Monuments for some of my characters.

As for GW2, I will get it and play it, only then I can say if it's good or bad.

The Times They Are A-Changin'.

The same as it is to buy any game. To play it!!!! It sounds daft I know, but GW2 may be 2 years off, so I think people will need a change by then.

Oh, being productive again? I am assuming most here are male, that's all. Now all you do is monkeyplay, mimicking and all. Anything else you might be able offer, Madame? I fink not.

@topic:

Let's stop the comparisons with WoW for now, we don't know how fast levelling will be and since Mrs.Gray is against tedious grinding I guess it'll be fast enough not to discourage people. I am very sure they know that this aspect of GW is one of the most important.

Its WAY too early to make opinions on this, wait until they do a preview event before launch (we all know they'll do it) and then see what you think, its hard to judge a game before its been released.

About the only thing that would ever stop me playing guild wars would be adding a monthly fee to the game.

same companny

anyone find it funny that there isn't actually a chapter four?

GW:EN isn't exactly a chapters worth, it's clearly an expansion... after all the hype all over guru over new professions, storyline, and all that, kinda an anti-climate for people in those forums

well... I've mentioned in a previous post that I can well afford to pay the monthly costs. I have a life too and a boyfriend. Shocking, I know. Perhaps I have more of a life than you and spend perhaps more time with my boyfriend than you with your life, but if I wish to maintain the sensitive balance between RL and VR, then perhaps I'd rather not slave away at creating a lvl239854309 char. All of my characters have all elites, have perfect weapons, perfect armors, superior runes, and blah blah blah. I have FoW, 15k armors, perfect weapons, a boyfriend with whom I spend plenty of time with, a family I visit, and a school I have straight A's in. Now if I were to dedicate my life to being able to keep up with the lvl60+++++ lvl cap, perfect armor, perfect weapons, perfect skills... then hmm... I wouldn't have the rest. GW is not one of those games where you have to throw away your RL to succeed in this game, which is what I admired about it. Have you heard of the WoW incidents where people just forgot about their RL and what happened to them? If you can keep the balance between your life and slaving and "grinding" in a game to make perfect characters, then please, be my guest. But without me. What I am saying with my posts is that all that I admired about GW and despised about WoW is being thrown out the window and is being traded in so that a few more people can waste their lives trying to lvl cap etc. I know of somebody who went from lvl 1 to lvl 20 with FoW in 10 hours. I just think it's a pity that Anet believes it needs to sellout to the WoW-way. If I want to play WoW, I will, but I don't and I won't. So I won't play a game like World of Guildcraft (TY Ninja Spectre for that lovely name). Anet had a good thing going and now they're selling out. It's a sad end.

I feel in reflection after sleeping on it I'm kinda disappointed but not surprised.

I think the chapter system failed, not commercially, but simply because it's too much work. A complete new game every 6 months. Something that offers freshness and advancement was simply too big a task to complete.

GW2 so far doesn't interest me, sounds like massive PvE gank squads. I'll wait for more but Age of Conan is looking good

Well i am still surprised for one small issue that most of us never ever bothered to toss this little complaint to devs,or show the idea.
Sure the characters arent moved,the gold isnt moved,thats fine as well.
Titles are moved,ooooook so far.
How many time we switched a game,and went to create our unique casual character name,and we found that some kid as usual went and copied it.
Why the hell not a character name transfer quest?
Its not something difficult,and it will give a reason to some,to just move on to gw2 with something.
Not lvls not gold not skills,but the simple pride of seeing his character name reserved.
Thats coming from someone who has seen already enough people copy him.

Lets hope that the game wont stray from the fun it used to be,for beeing a new lineage 2.

Oh, hiding in the dark waiting for my next reply? trying to tame me? are we?Now read back all youve been doing is monkeyplay yourself Sir except just trying to cover yourself with an "@ topic"., and yes I have something to offer to. lol watch. So you do you have anything else you might be able to offer, Sir? I fink so, not forgetting your "@topic" otherwise well all know your monkeying about wont we come out the dark..i replied now im waiting for your clever witty reply disguised with your "@topic" contribution.

@topic <--- lol yes thats right @topic
So will I be able to get my green skinned big muscley pointy eared ranger character in GW2?
Also will I be able to charm a pet and fly on it? or ride it?

<-- cool as always the next forum hero! pssst come out of the dark! shes loose! tame her!

Ditto. I'm in the exact situation and has the same stand as Carrie. GW allows you to be successful in real life and relatively successful in the game GW itself. That is the beauty of the balanced GW game.

The thoughts of me being successful in real life.. but in the game, i lose out to players (or may get discriminated because of my low level) because they have more time to grind.. that's the type of game i don't like. Nobody likes losing.

Regards,
Ariel

umm only have max armor on 1 char and its normal type which I got before getting married now I only get roughly 4-6 hours a week <-notice week I work roughly 9-14 hours a day (military) on call 24 hehe and the rest of my time belongs to my wife sooo its a wast of mony to pay 12.95 and only play like 4-6 hrs a day. hmmmm wonder how old you are you seem like your a kid. < look look cool me <- happy me

Er, the trick is to get your opinions in before they invest hundreds of thousands of dollars into art assets and level design. So far what's been revealed about GW2 involves core design elements, and those need to be gotten right from the very beginning.
On the contrary, it seems you're a little too abstract at this point. For your market-forces approach to work, you need the consumers (i.e. yourself - presumably!) to make informed economic decisions about the product strictly from the perspective of the utility (~fun, in this case) it provides; in key with what they want out of a game, in short.

...So effectively, you're in an impossible position. You can't judge the product on its capitalist merits without distorting the results by your own "impartial" presence and judgment. Unless you're only looking into it as a financial investment opportunity, in which case I'd suggest you're looking at the wrong forum.

Thanks Ariel, I'm glad at least there are a few people that understand why this is rather sad and why I'm not willing to give up my life to succeed in a game.

explains why no gwen items in factions

i have a question *puts hand up*

will there be an eye of the north beta/preview weekend?

regards,

me.

If Anet dont address this issue I guarantee there will be massive problems. People pretending to be people they are not etc. I think it will lead to people pre-ordering to try and get their names asap.

I like the way that Americans are kept away from other areas of the world. Please keep that feature

someone here mentioned age of conan, i looked it up. thanks for the info

Stay up late thinking about that? 1-2 in the morning, perhaps?

Character name transfer is FAR from hard to implement. I'd favor a timespan of 3-6 months after GW2's release until the name is free to be taken.
If through a quest, e-mail verification or through generating a unique unlock key is insignificant for now (putting the security issues aside).

This isn't entirely accurate--if they think they can get more sales with a game that seems to be more a traditional MMO, then they're going to do exactly that, no matter the outcry on forums.

It's all about money. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

Hmm... yes... I'm a child... ok... that's why my spelling and grammar are better than most teenagers, including yours. Well, a responsible adult who realizes that 13 bucks a month is a waste of money, would perhaps stop paying it? Who said I spend loads of time in GW anyway? That is just your childish assumption because I have all of that. I get lucky drops that are worth a lot, so all of a sudden that makes me into a person who plays GW every waking hour of the day? It's precisely what I love about GW, is that even with lack of commitment you can get very far in the game, like myself. I don't need to take 2 weeks to level up a character. If you notice, it took a friend of mine 10hours to get FoW and a lvl20 character. Now do that in your 13bucks a month game. Or perhaps in your much supported GW2. If I were to work hours like yours and be on call 24/7, I wouldn't invest any money in monthly fees in a game. If you work that much, perhaps you should scrap gaming altogether and spend also those last 6-8 hours with your wife as well. I'm sure she'd appreciate it.

If you're already paying for a game every month, why don't you play it? And if you want to play a WoW-style game, then play the original. It's sad that Anet seems to think that they have to bring out a game like WoW to succeed in the gaming industry, when they've won so many awards for being so original, etc. GW1 is a terrific game, and other than perhaps the technical aspects of it (like superior graphics), I don't see why they would want to bring out a whole new game other than to satisfy the needs of little children who can't pay the monthly WoW fees. GW was something original, something to be praised, something you didn't have to devote your life to or waste monthly fees on. And this is all being thrown out? Fine. I won't support. Sad if you do. They might as well make a whole new game instead of ruining the good name which is Guild Wars.

hmm not too bright are you..try clicking my profile, my date of birth is there. cool cool look at you..not so bright wonder how old you really are o0 oh you are 23,. and it seems your interests :O oh dear you prefer GW over your wifie? shes not going to like that..anyway.

@topic
I think GW2 will be very time consuming to those who buy it, just like WoW., with level 70, characters I believe? People will probably play in a similar fashion as they do with WoW no eat, no sleep, for a week heard about those deaths? Anet are you trying to kill people like blizzard? :O btw this is just my opinion please dont flame me. I said @topic just an opinion.

Hahaha this is the best argument against the new game.

"no don't anet people will DIE"

I have a concern, which I hope is not overlooked.

In this Hall of Monuments type thing will there be something for Guilds to reserve and/or transfer:

a) Their name
b) Their achievements (ie. gold cape trims)

I'm certain people in well established guilds who want to continue on into GW2 will want to keep the same name. Unfortunately, I'm also fairly certain there will be people who sit-up waiting for the servers to turn on to be the first to register a famous guild name.

Sure some people will make a new guild and thus a new name but I'm pretty confident alot won't.