PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

It would be sad to see it end.

Luckily for everyone involved, it isn't!

ANet promised Campaigns every 6 months since Chapter 1, then factions came one year later. Not 6 months.

Having gone through most of the replies to this thread I would just like to point out that a lot of people seem to be missing the fact that the original GW will still exist. You can keep playing it if you don't like the sounds of GW2. Anet have not said they will cease updating the original, although they probably won't keep releasing new campaigns. Still, there may be smaller updates such as the SF update. Given that there are almost two years between the release of GW:EN and GW2 I think it's a little premature to be getting all up in arms about it. I'm sure Anet will keep the game running and fun until the release of GW2, and perhaps even after.

The answer is quite simple, if you don't like the sound of GW2 don't play it. You can always stick to the GW you've come to know and love. It's not going to go anywhere.

I for one am looking forward to something new and different. While I love GW, it does seem that the same game play would get a bit old for the next two years and beyond. I like that they are developing and moving on to bring us something new. Perhaps if people offered constructive criticism to what they like the sound of and what they don't the Dev team would take your words into account. It is unlikely that aspects of the game won't change in the next two years as it is still clearly in development.

Keep up the good work Anet. You have always listened to your players, and I trust that what is to come will be just as exemplary as the game you have given us so far.

Of course the original GW will still exist. But since GW1 won't be priority, the already lacking updates will perhaps come even less frequently. No new chapters will come. No new armors, weapons, bosses, continents. And not to mention the lag. Although in the past months there have been many improvements, I still see err7's and such. And then with GW2, what kind of a state will GW be left in?

As for playing something new and different, sure. Sounds like fun. But GW2 is nothing new. I've already said, it's a WoW-ripoff. Want something different? Play WoW. Or I heard something about Age of Conan. There are many new and different games.

your post wins the thread. I feel the same way. Sure there is some sense of loss, but I can't wait for that "newness" feeling again. Sadly, I didn't really feel that "newness" with NF. It all seemed exactly the same as I had been doing in Proph and Factions. Oh I guess a few things were new. Heroes-loved em, Insignias-hate them. But overall I just wasn't as excited about NF as I was before Factions...which was kinda disappointing. I, for one, am glad the "chapters" are done with and we are getting something brand spanking new.

Are me and you the only ones who would rush the release of GW2? I mean really, 2 more years is a looooooooooooong time to play the chapters we got and I personally am getting kinda bored. Sure there are some things I could still do but maxing Titles, getting FoW armor, farming greens, etc just doesn't appeal to my exploring nature. Thats why I am psyched about this weekend. I can't wait to finally get to explore FoW and UW with a sense of lesure and exploration.

BRING ON GW2!

"The answer is quite simple, if you don't like the sound of GW2 don't play it. You can always stick to the GW you've come to know and love. It's not going to go anywhere."
thats the problem its not going anywhere, it means RIP

there is obviously more people interested in a subfree World of Guild Quest than there is in an original game like GW1.

A.net thank you for GW, It really was one of a kind, sorry it failed despite our support. I hope you'll make $ with GW2.

I'll be waiting for the next original game.

I am scared!
GW2 might be amazing, on the other hand it might suck big time.
It's moving more towards your standard mmorpg.
I loved the 'quick game' feel to gw, i could log on for 15 minutes...play a few AB's and log off, without any fuss.

The low level cap was cool as well, as I could quickly join the more experienced players in their raids and farms.

The bottom line is that Guild Wars was a player oriented game, the skill of the player was much more important then his charcters level (because max lvl was reached so quickly).
Guild Wars 2 if I read things correctly will be more character oriented due to the high level caps. Also due to high level caps it won't be quick play game, or rather the people with little time would feel left out in pve.

I always said GW was like Magic the Gathering, as builds are very much like decks. It was/is about the player about the skills he chooses to bring not leveling.

On the other hand I see how this 6-months scheme couldn't go on...adding new and origianal professions and skills every 6 months was impossible.

I look forward to gw2, but I have a feeling I won't like it as much. The sad thing is once GW2 comes out GW will die, not cause of lack of support but cause of lack of players, well at least I have a year of GW ahead of me, I will enjoy it.

I am terribly excited about GW:EN tho.

Amen to that, cookie monster!.

dont thank them..theyre laughing in your face. and giving the WoW kiddies what they want.

@topic <- LoL
Anet your really having a laugh with people who have remained loyal to you for the past 2 years as Carrie has said. You havent fixed things that have needed to be fixed for a long time and now your off starting something new? and to you..fools, who think GW1 is going nowhere and we should just stay in it...listen to what your saying..."it is going nowhere" its finished... RIP GW on comes World of Guildcraft!

Not every promise can be kept. Anet already stated why it didn't work out releasing so many addons per year. I'm glad actually since their balancing quality is bad enough. Anet was the first to market a "MMO" without monthly fees and got rewarded for the huge risks they took with introducing such a concept. Now that the concept turned out to be a winner they can go for the real thing, if we can call it so. Risky again but contrary to the beginning with a huge and stable playerbase. I'd thus call GW a test.

When I started GW I didn't care about runes, anything at all. We just played with what we had and only bought armour when we had the gold to it. No perfects, no leet armour since those things only became important once you were more familiar with the game and when you actually cared. The thing is that the more "knowledge" spreads throughout the game, the higher the expectations in what people should bring and have, be it skills (cookie-cutting), runes or armour. That's why the holy trinity "wins" (WaMoEl) and the Elite-PvE design fails (DoA for instance, what a piece of crap).

I had several "several months" long breaks from GW. I started NF at mid-january after many months of absence (pre-NF) with 20k in inventory, nothing to sell. I ran people around for a while, checked all the free NF-chests, salvaged some good upgrades and saved the gold until I had my Vabbi Set. It didn't take more than 2 weeks with no ecto-farming or others help. I did it because I liked its looks, not because I felt the need to have it because it's either new or rare. My Warrioress has everything (not FoW but I don't want it) so right now I just help others to get their 15k.

I'm a PvPer mostly and I like that part. I like PvE for customizing my chars and I really like my achievements but I wouldn't shed a tear for a fresh start and the feeling that I can bring anything I want without being called "noob, lmaoed at" is priceless. I don't need gold to have fun with GW2 if it meets my expectations. I want to explore with like-minded people, be it naked or not (ok, we can discuss that part).

Sorry if I can't reply to everything as I am at work and sometimes need to do stuff too, actually. Ah, the luxury. ;-)

Yay! now i can be lvl 1000+ and play free WoW -_-

ok... i got to thinking.... if your doing what you say ANET.... then wont it be WoW type game play? and if so your looking at troubles from anyone not on DSL.

Dial Up, Cable, and Wifi users will be Serverly restricted your talking about Downloading a 4GB+ file at one time (like WoW), And even if your Computer is GODLY, and meets the Requirements, if your on anything Slower then DSL your gonna hear a lot of "Your playing on Dial UP? YOU ARE THA SUCK!!!11 GET OUT!!!" *kicked*.

Anyone who has played on Dial Up knows this to be true, its our Curse and with this "Open Ended" game play style..... your gonna have a lot of Problems.

BTW i Down Loaded WoW on a 56k connection... took me 18 Hours 34min.

So.... no GW2 for Dial Up Users?

Jeez, could you be more condescending?!?

I can't think of another company that has fixed more problems than Anet with Guild Wars.

In a way, Guild Wars 2 could be seen as the ultimate "fix". Obviously, if huge raids, multiple races, and UAX PvP play doesn't make you happy, then Guild Wars 2 is not for you.

But just leave it at that, and don't call those of us excited about the changes "kiddies" or "fools." Thank you.

Peace.

I believe it was a "goal" not a "promise." If you can find a quote from someone from Anet "promising" 6 month Chapters, I'd love to see it.

In any case, it's not like we're getting ripped off. We can still play Guild Wars, for free, for at LEAST another 3 years, possibly more. And with Hard Mode coming soon, you can't say there will be nothing to do...

Well, then they should have modified that promise. I was skeptical that it could be done, but they did it last year. Sure it's a huge project, 2 new worlds a year, with 2 new professions, new weapons, armors, skills, etc. It's a lot of work. Then again, THEY said they would bring out two a year and that is what they get PAID to do. I hope they, unlike you, actually do their work when they are in their office and do what they are paid to do. But it seems they are busy giving hollow promises and scoping the WoW forums. You admit that "their balancing quality is bad enough"... what makes you think they will be able to cope with World of Guildcraft, aka GW2? It is going to be a lot more work as is, and then they wish to continue updating and keeping GW1 going? rofl


I also took breaks from GW and restarted with my already lvl20 characters, much like yourself, on a new continent with already perfect armor and decent skills. Now you know what it is like to play with a max lvl character, what it is like to breeze through areas, if you really are so "leet", and you think that starting all over won't bother you a bit, with not even 20k to buy decent starter armor and a few decent skills? lol Right right.

GW1 didn't meet your expectations, because you said that the balancing quality is bad enough and now you're going to play a game that is intended to be even better quality and more work? Well you'd better get on with your work then to pay for your new game and your Ebay gold. HF.

Er... yeah they did o.O

They also broke more than they could fix. Perhaps that is why they need a new start. But their failure to fix everything and keep up with GW1 does not spark much confidence that they will be able to keep up with a game that requires even more devotion on their behalf.

As for condescending, are you not being that yourself with your attitude towards us? Many of us are just trying to persuade Anet to see what it is what we find so important and lovely about GW, the game we all fell in love with, and why it is that we refuse to buy a WoW-wannabe game, and all we get are snide remarks like "don't be so negative" and we get attacked instead. So we're not excited about GW2 and are scared to lose the game that we ALL fell in love with. You are all buying the game because you hope it to be at least as wonderful as GW, right? Well as it has been described thus far, it has more resemblance to WoW than it does to GW. IE we are complaining, because GW1 will fall apart as well, as soon as GW2 comes out, as all of Anet's attention will be directed at GW2.

I dont mean to be rude but complaining about 56k users not being able to play gw 2 is like people with ancient computers complaining about not being able to play the latest games. Dial up is seriously old. Broadband is very very cheap now.

The whole money and items should be imported I disagree with. I think a fresh start is a great thing and I wouldnt want GW2 to just be a glorified expansion. I will lose tens of millions worth of gold and items and hundreds of gold items but I still think a fresh start is the best option.

With the increase in levels for Guild Wars 2 one would assume the max dmg of weapons will increase. For example in a level 40 area the weapons would more than likey drop with damage for swords higher than 11-22. Therefore many of the items would be useless.

What Anet could maybe do is allow you do import the items and make them unusable. This way you dont lose your items and can still view what you have accomplished. I would like that as there are certain items I am very proud of obtaining.

WHY WHY WHY WHY do they always have to screw up something good.
my opinion of the current GW is that its all good. ESPECIALLY THE LVL 20
CAP, that is what makes it so challenging, what so if u can go to lvl 100 ure gonna face a lvl 350 boss ???? cmon. I just cant understand that they will make is so that u cant transfer chars or GOLD, yeah sure there's gonna be new chars and proffesions but still don't we all still love our Wammo's.
SO yeah maybe i am pesimistic, but i also look forward to see what the 4th chapter brings. I just think its bull that they are gonna scratchs the whole current GW.

Hmm...no mention of the Dredge? I would've figured that, since they had dug some tunnels all the way from the shiverpeaks to Cantha (possibly all the way under kaineng to Echovald?). It'd be interesting to see more of their story too.

I think GW2 will rock.

I see a lot of people unhappy that they can't bring their character over. Times change, and so does technology...and I would not expect characters from an old engine to work on a new game engine (i.e., GW2). Afterall, Guild Wars 2 sounds like a new, independent game; it's not a GW1 campaign or expansion pack.

I'm excited about having new characters AND races to play in GW2. And I'll still have my favorite characters that I can play in GW1. How cool is that!

Hmmm... this is an interesting development indeed. I really didn't expect them to make a sequel yet, considering that the graphics engine is still quite solid, especially alongside WoW. I think they could've milked a few more campaigns out of GW1.

Oh well, onward and upward.

Yes Im not saying they havent fixed a lot but they can still do more instead of starting something totally new and forgetting about theyre loyal players....oh so people who are not happy can be called an "ass" "kids" "children" but people who are happy about it cant? yeah yeah whatever..

do you know that 1/4 of the country dose not have access to Broad Band?
The area i live in is in that 1/4... and so is my friends in NC and my friend in Washington State, and My friend in Maine, and my Friend in Canada, and we all Play GW1 w/o problems..... and none of us can Play WoW, so yea. Dial Up is a lil slower i admit... but it don't mean i cant still wipe the floor with you in PvP,

I've been reading a little about the early days of GW, and it seems there were designers who wanted to go up to level 80 or higher then too. They got overruled then and I hope they get overruled now. I'm pretty sure Grind Wars is not in the cards.

That said, raising the cap to around 40 or so could allow for a much larger world. You know how in the GW zones the levels of the mobs climb by 4-level intervals as you progress through the storyline? More levels = longer storyline, which is going to be important if they abandon the campaign format.

GW 2 will beat WoW, fair and square because it's going to take aspects from Guild Wars, from WoW and from other MMOs, make them work and annihilate all the competition. Or it won't who knows. But it could and Anet has my support.

Think of it like this:

Higher level cap in Pve meaning no more boring drab game after level 20 (like now), probably fitting to casual players meaning they don't have to grind to a certain level to be apart of something. More immersive PvE because of the level cap/new races/etc.

PvP players will be able to go and PvP without having to deal with unlocking skills and everyone gets what they want as far as I'm concerned.


One thing. Trading. I suggest Anet adds a system along the lines of a store or merchant mode. What this is, is you can be afk or not, have a screen up with items you're selling and people can look at these items (if you're in this mode) and buy them without you having to actually be around. Beautiful way to sell things, works effectively from what I've seen in another game and would make trading a lot easier.

Oh and the less of you guys that are whining, the better. Feel free to quit both GW and not get GW 2 I won't miss you.

Except they did keep their 'promise'. They said they would release a campaign every six months. They didn't say whether they were going to do this for a year or a hundred years. The people complaining about 'broken promises' seem to have attached the word 'indefinitely' to the end of Anet's plan, as if they were going to keep releasing chapters until the sun goes supernova. These people have become too attached to the game. They have lost perspective. They no longer play for fun, but to succeed in the only little microcosm that allows them to. They talk about GW1 being wasted time as if Guild Wars isn't actually a game designed for wasting time, but a second job (or, more likely, a first).

The talk of 'promises' is a red herring.

Ok first off I want to say WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! GW2 is a rip off of WoW? GET REAL! WoW is a rip off of every other MMO Hell go look up D&D and you will see that WoW didn't invent half of the stuff you people are giving it credit for. I love GW1 and I am very excited about GW2! I love all of the new features they are talking about but some of you people are killing me!! Boo Hoo I can't take over my millions of dollars in gold, my ecto, my char, my weapons. How do we even know if ecto or even gold for that matter will be useable or even IN GW2??? Did anyone ever think about that?

GW2 is going to be a whole new game, new engine, new control system, You can't take your chars from gw1 to gw2 because it wont WORK! to get down to the basic of it, It's all new code! Like Gaile said, Did you get to take your stuff from HL1 to HL2?? NO! Did you get to take your chars from Diablo 1 to Diablo 2?? NO! It just doesn't work that way.

I am sick of seeing all these people say oh well if I wanted to play WoW I will just play WoW! Then GO! we don't need you here! We will be sitting here enjoying are GW2 that is FAR better then WoW! and does have a lot of the same features that are found in EVERY MMO!!!! and or Role Playing in GENERAL! and we will not be paying $15 a bucks a month.

We don't even know the whole idea of GW2 and you people are ready to drop it at the flick of a hat because of one mags info???? It's 2 years away people!! CHILL THE HELL OUT!

I think people who are saying it's a WoW rip off need to shut up, Do some research about role playing and MMO's in general before posting about stuff they have no IDEA on.

Because if those people really loved GW the way they say they do then they would stand up and support the hard work that ANET has done for us and the fact that they listen to the community at all is a god send!

So my point is if you think GW2 is gonna be a WoW rip off then turn your game off now, Go buy or play WoW and waste your $15 a month for a stupid cartoon rip off of every other MMO or Role Playing game in general because WoW didn't invent CRAP! they ripped it from D&D and all the other classic RP games to ever come out.

I will be sitting here waiting for GW2 with JOY! and Respect for the new stuff we get to do, See, Enjoy and be a part of.

Just for the record, I don't care about not being able to trasnfer chars from gw..it would be cool if you could have title (if there are titles in gw2) which would be something along line of 'the descendant of <your gw charcter name>"

will there still be a campaign in GW2?

I'm -against- GW2
GW is fine the way it is; great gaphics, great engine (I love the instanced zones), level 20 cap is great together with 8 skill at a time, means you'll have to think ahead, I currently got 7 lvl 20 chars which I'm pretty proud of and have amassed a certein wealth, aswel as put a lot of money in GW (all 3 campaigns + all 3 pvp editions + 18 character slots total + 1 million edition upgrade) as wel as had a lot of time playing on it, and was planning to do so a lot more, but after reading this I got so dissapointed in arenanet and GW I just don't feel like levelling my other chars anymore. I've just reactivated my WoW account again and will probs be getting morre into wow from now on, which I regret after having played GW ever since the day after it's official release... shame on you anet! I've forgiven you for the nerfs you threw at us. I've forgiven you for letting me buy 2 accounts and then after offer character slots. I've forgiven you for telling me -my- router can't connect to your login servers when it's just plain your fault.
BUT I won't forgive you for this. GW2 is the worst thing you could have done, and the way you're doing it (from what I've read) is worse.
That's my oppinion in all honesty, like it or dislike it.

I've heard people always saying that Anet promised something every 6 months, then others saying that it was not a promise but rather a goal. Not sure which one it is, then.

AMEN! brother!

I never been a lover of Anet or anything I was always against them till recently, because they started pulling out the heavy artillery making this game and the game to come something that as a pve player I'm going to have more fun with so I thank you and congratulate you on your future success's Anet.

Campaign as in Story Line? yes
Campaign as in Guild Wars: Factions 2? No

GW2 sounds awesome. One of my biggest issues with GW was not being able to run into other players. I'm really curious how they'll be able to make the game more MMORPG like while still keeping it free.

Oh, and jumping, swimming, and sliding FTW. They're such little things, but not running into invisible walls left and right will help make the world so much more believable.

They planned on it. A plan is not a promise.

Do you guys get mad when another game misses it's release date and go around saying that the company broke their promise?

Delays happen in big games. There are tons of things that can go wrong in the development of software that end up causing delays.

Hear hear. More awesome Fiery Dragon Swords for us!

Sigh, I guess no one can just have fun any more.

GWEN: Looking forward to it. A little upset there are no new professions, but then again, I love taking my Ranger on new adventures. I can't wait to see what they have in store for us. I still think this won't the LAST GW1 thing we see, there might be another expansion, we will have to wait and see. Also, I can imagine the ANET team might be working on some additional free content ala Sorrow's Furnace. Looks to be fun. I, being an avid PvEr and Gwen-ophile (wow that sounds REALLY wrong), hope the title is a slight of hand reference to our favorite pyro .

GW2: Ahhh, the masses cry. Although from the interpretation so far, it seems that the Inquirer had quite the juicy tidbit after all. Regardless, I am excited. I am not freaking out, because honestly, I assumed a GW2 would have to be released eventually, if not before I tried some other game and got addicted. Oh, thats right, we play video games for fun! Or it is some teeny-bopper thing to NEED to be perfect even in a virtual world because their mothers don't think they are in the real on and they lost all of their friends. I have been around since the first beta, and I have enjoyed GW extensively, it being my favorite game and all. Sorry to sound harsh, but all you whiners really ARE making drama queens out of yourselves. The game hasn't even been BETAd. Everyone freaked out when D2 was announced, and people were flipping out when things from D1 weren't announced as part of D2. But guess what, D2 is ten times better, sold better, and was a hands down better game. The level cap is a concern, but I can't wait to see how the innovative people at ANET are going to handle it. We have a lot to learn yet, and a lot to see. I am excited sure, but I always hold my judgment till I try it. How can you criticize apples and oranges if you haven't tasted both yet.

And to those who are leaving. Thank god, you made me lag with your WTS spamming, and your ZOMG LOOKS AT MY ARMORS. We (i think, I could be COMPLETELY wrong) are getting some of our weapons, titles, etc etc through the Hall of something something thingy. Thats a stretch enough. the only thing I would really want to do is have my names saved, but if not, I shall just start a new legacy.

Oke need to ask some thing's, little confused
1.Can i go with my Prob.Faction.Night acc's to Expansion pack
2.Can i go with my ^^^^^^^^^^^ acc's to gw 2



Please give me a Priv msg.
Or just reply.

The expansion pack will likely end up being the conclusion of my GW gaming. While my characters are not anywhere near 2 yrs old yet (the eldest has their 2nd birthday sometime in December). I consider them to be relative veterans compared to the newer characters I have. The expansion will provide an extended storyline for my characters but as far as GW 2 is concerned, their story will end there.

Having GW 2 take place 100 years in the future just wouldn't allow for GW 1 characters to be moved over (unless there's a time warp) so GW 2 will be its own standalone game. Going into the homeland of those that invaded Ascalon where most of my characters were born (4 tyrian, 2 canthan, 2 elonian) would seem interesting. Maybe the expansion would provide a fitting conclusion for those characters before many other gamers would put them into retirement before playing GW 2.

(tangent) It's possible that new gamers to GW2 won't even know who Gwen is (/tangent)

Take out "Guild Wars 2" from the description and tell me it doesn't sound like "Generic MMO with some other bits"

Well I guess it will be one last screensaver from me and that's it for some years, disappointing there couldn't have been 2-3 more campaigns but oh well. I do have to wonder if there will be a continuing drop off of players in the coming two years...

Well this just reminds me of WoW. It also seems that pvp is being pushed to the side and made into some sort of mini game. Thats not what i want at all. Time to find a new game it is then. gg Anet.

So if i make this clear,
The gw2 wil be a stand alone but!.
Can we make gw2 char's on my old acc where my gw1 char's are.?

Sure if you enjoy and want to "newb farm"/power trade/farm/whatever, all the way up to millions again. I enjoyed accumulating wealth the first time around as GW was my first online experience but personally I would prefer to pass on any of that "second time" around. The freshness just wouldn;t be there for me. I enjoy not being bothered too much about money when I play.

The main thing I originally liked about GW over WOW was that GW said your account/characters would be there "forever" whereas with WOW once you stopped paying your account /characers were deleted. GW2 is in effect a defacto "deletion" of my GW account.

Sure it'll be another 2 years before GW 2 arrives and a lot can happen but it better get good player responses to make me want to start from scratch all over again, otherwise WOW definitely looks like a better alternative.