PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

You and I have different ideas of what are "facts." This list sounds like FOX news "facts."

Please. WoW does free updates? How often do they do it? What updates are you talking about?

WoW requires you to pay a montly fee AND to buy Expansions. Know how many more chapters Guild Wars has than WoW's "Burning Crusade"? One. That's a fact.

3 years of Guild Wars for $150 (if you want all 3 Chapters). Name me a better deal, please.

These are not (in my opinion) game breaking problems. They are frustrations, but name me a game with ZERO frustrations. Hint: It doesn't exist.

Instead of focusing on the negative, think of all the updates and fixes Anet does do, FOR FREE. (Hard Mode is a great example of an up-coming update for FREE).

What?!? Holiday events, Festivals, Tomb of Primeval Kings, etc, etc.

Please tell me you don't think you got your money's worth. I need a good laugh today.


Where did you read that? Guild Wars 2 IS improving Guild Wars... Hello! That's the whole idea. Many of the things people have been asking for: More races, persistant areas, huge combats, are all being implemented. I know some people want to hold on to the past forever, but how do you see Guild Wars 2 as at least not an attempt (even if, in your opinion, it fails), to improve upon the Original!


The one thing I agree with you on. Of course Anet owes it's success to us... do you think they don't realize it?

They are taking a HUGE risk with Guild Wars 2 - and loosing money by not releasing Chapters in the next 2 years to pay for it.

You're right about one thing: People will only buy it if they feel it's worth it.

Only time will tell in that regard.

I really like what I've heard of GW2 and, honestly, I don't care if it is "like WoW" because I like the Guild Wars series much better. I just pray that my 256 mb RAM can play it. I hope they have setting where I can play it, I dont really care about high graphic settings. Please Gaile, tell them to make it playable for even people with only 256 RAM.

No monthly fees, set in the world of Tyria, humans, charr, norms (dwarves?), mythical medieval world, etc. And the "2" is because they're starting over with a fresh approach. Do you want them to keep the exact same graphics engine (which would be fine by me actually as it is amazing and runs beautifully on my computer)? Diablo 2 redid the village from Diablo 1 and it looked slightly different because the graphics engine was different, but it still was obviously "it". Are you seriously suggesting it won't be the same world to you simply because they use an updated/new graphics engine?


How do you know it has nothing new besides races? Have you read the article itself? I haven't and yet I've already seen more than that just from reading about it. New control system, new zoning system, new quest system, etc.

So in summary, it doesn't deserve to be called Guild Wars 2 but it better be different from GW1? I've seen this contradictory type of argument so much in this thread, it truly boggles my mind. Please at least pick a side -- better yet, read the entire article, and relax... we've got 6 - 9 months before GW:EotN, and a good 2 years before GW2.


I am sick and tired of this "scrub that wants a cheap WoW" line. Look, I like GW PvE. That's right, I like it. Coming from Diablo 1 and 2 and Dungeon Siege, I got drawn to GW because of its believability (no crazy races -- i.e. playing as a human), graphics, casual style, and yes no monthly fee.

If you want high-end PvP, why don't you go play Lineage or chess or whatever? Two totally different things? Well, so is telling me to play WoW. Last I checked, GW offered both PvE AND PvP. It sure is strange that such a little "side-thing" as PvE got expanded through 3 chapters, huh?

I dabble in PvP, but I spend most of my time in PvE. And I love GW and am thrilled about GW2. Sorry, but apparently you're going to have to put up with scrubs like me.

EDIT: Oh, and where you said "Why should they have to stop playing the only actual skill-based game on the market" in response to not playing GW2 if you don't like it... GW2 will be a different game -- no one will force you to buy it. No one will force you to stop playing GW1 if you so desire. So where are you being forced to stop playing a game that isn't even out yet and won't be so for another 2 years?

This is some great information. Took a two week break, never thought I'd miss something big as this. I like having four races and a level cap of 100 in Guild Wars 2, the more grind the better Those are some huge changes though, let's hope they won't change the gameplay too much, as I love the current gameplay.

And is there any word on the game requirements yet? My PC is getting old, so I'm pretty sure this one won't run GW2.

Asked my mom if she could take a copy for me a minute ago. If anyone wonders, you can get the UK Edition of the PC Gamer at the "Albert Hein" in the Netherlands (at least in my city).

That's why I chose Baldur's Gate and Ice WInd dale series over Diablo. The other comparisons you make are not justified. You compare FPS, and simulators with an RPG style game like Guildwars. In an RPG, the character is the most important thing for a PvE player. You play years to get him/her you want. The goal is neverending or at least in theory. I catch your drift but it's based on nothing imo.

'The ones I make in GW2 will be even better'. Let's first see about that, I'm not impressed at this point. At least not like when I followed Guildwars before it was released.

Your last point is that it's still a long time away. To me it's just around the corner. I'm already playing gw for two years and those flew by very fast.

Hi guys. I've just joined GW world couple of weeks ago and this is my first post. I have some idea to speak out.
I think, in my opinion, the "no level cap" thing of Anet means there'll be no lvl in GW 2, only a bar left like xp bar now but actually has no lvl defination there, a bar to measure how strong we will have been improving, for example, the more the bar is filled, the stronger you are, and actually has no lvl for the game, and thus there wouldn't been any grinding. Hope that could be it, do u agree? :O

I think level gain will be quest related, as it is in this game. Even with a high level cap, its only grinding when you level up by farming. In most MMORPGs its like farm the cows for 2 weeks, then move on to skeletons, and so on. I'm sure Anet/NCsoft will show some mercy.

World of Guildcraft, thanks, but no thanks.

ANet, the reason Guildwars was successful was that IT WAS NOT ON THE MMORPG BANDWAGON. Increase level cap? Level 50 will be equal with a lvl 30? what the hell? Levels should work normally, as in a lvl 80 would rape a lvl 30 because the level 80 has more health and better armour.

If your going to do some stupid complicated leveling up system, why bother? seriously? Just keep the damn level cap. Taking ideas from The Guild Hall was your first step to ruining your game, you really think UW farmers know what needs to be fixed in gvg?

Guild Wars : Eye of the North - Not a chapter, only an expansion, no new classes, blah blah from PC Gamer. Umm... so whats the point of this if we cannot take our characters into GW2? You really think it will keep everyone busy for 2 years?

By the time GW2 is out, 80% of the community will be gone, playing other games, and dont care what GW2 has to offer. GW is dead, yes, but making a mmo wont fix it.

Sorry ANet but I dont see your half-assed attempt to rip of World of Warcraft actually suceed.

Since I believe that ANET is viewing this thread I have one request regarding Necros in GW2. This is my favoret class and if they are included in GW2 can they not be represented like self mutilating crazies who wear leather from pervo stores and animal skins? Maybe more like Vampires, such as in the movie underworld or Brahm Stokers Dracula.

I can see your point, I love BG series as well. You can import your char from BG1 to BG2 yes, but you can not import any of the items, gear, gold to BG2. You can import everything from BG2 to Tob, why? because Tob was an expansion to BG2, same engine, the story pickup where BG2 left off.

And look at GW1 and GW2, the same can be said about Fallout 1 and 2. The stories between the two games take 1 or 2 generations apart. Would it make sense to see same Vault 13 Hero on the second game? Knowing that he would be 90+ years old.

Although I would have enjoyed a summer release for EotN, it will still be good to see it for Christmas. I'm still reading reports of "third quarter 2007", so maybe it will be another October release.

As to GW2, personally I'm glad GW is going to try to be different. The current GW experience was getting stale due to the lack of replayability in PvE. I don't think it was possible for them to reinvent the style of play whilst not changing the game itself.

Let's be fair, there won't be monthly fees. So if it flops it flops and we won't be tied to it. Also GW1 will still be available to play - if GW2 goes badly they could always continue expanding that.

I also like the idea of starting new characters in a new game. Although my girls have done well, they didn't seem to progress much. So provided that the higher level cap does not hugely affect PvP gameplay, it will be nice - even with small benefits it will be fun to see characters become more experienced and "veteran". That said I really hope the Hall of Monuments will allow for real advantages for us current players in GW2.

So I'm excited, but the anticipation will probably kill me. Thus I will focus on EotN and make sure to enjoy every bit of it. I'm really glad they'll be giving us dungeons and underground fighting. One disappointment with Guild Wars was the lack of exploitation of "undergound areas" like Sorrow's Furnace. If they had made more places like that they could have really expanded PvE content. I hope that with GW2 they will make tombs, dungeons, tunnels and the like to allow for extra gameplay.

However I have one thing that I must insist upon. Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game.

numer one: "Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game" Please under no circumstances go anywhere near WoW's cartoony graphics. GW is beautiful - even with updated graphics you must keep that "real" feel to the game thank you for saying that, so I won't have to.

Nr2: Make...PvP...Balanced....If you don't make pvp balanced, noone will play pvp, and PvP is the only thing that REALLY separates GW from other games.

Nr3: how are Anet going to earn money, If they're cancelling their "2 campaigns a year" policy, but still don't want monthly fees?

And, no, I don't want to read ALL the 77 pages, in case somehting has been answered b4.

LoL

Well, I am a bit excited for the new chapter of GW1 and GW2. I have no idea how things will exactly work, but GW2 is sure fascinating already to me.

Anyways, I've read alot of complaints here. Complaints about their own thoughts, making their own facts. You sure can like something a bit less, but acting stupid towards a game company that you don't own is messed up.

And Gaile has pointed out that they won't abandon GW1, they respect all of their guild wars players and that's why they won't abandon those who choose to remain a GW1 player.

Instead of bashing ( in any form) people that have different views of this change, has anyone stopped to think that maybe they released such little tidbits on what the game will have as a way to see what there fans will and will not enjoy? So if someone hates it that is fine because it is their opinion! Let them speculate about the game. Let them say they love it from what they have seen so far( or hate it). The little cry more attitudes and the omg noes! only show how much everyone only cares about their own opinion and theirs is the only one that matters.

I personally so far am not in favor of it, but then again I need more information to truly give my final opinion on this.

if i'm not mistaken the monthly fee of WOW is 10/15 € and a GW chapter every six month is about 50/55€ ,so WOW players spend more 15/20€ every six month than GW players, if you ask me that's not a big thing if you look at the differences between the amount of content that both games have.
like i said before the chapter paying system of GW is an illusion created for marketing and sale purposes in order to rival with monthly fee games, and give customers/gamers the impression they play a much less expensive game.
do you know that the paying Burning Crusade expansion was released 3 years after the original WOW game, and in terms of content is it has the same (or more) content than 2 chapters of GW put together, and WOW players can transport what they already have to the new expansion without problems.
oh and GW was released on April 2005 so it's gonna be 2 years old in 2007.

it's not a question of being a better or worse deal, because fortunately i work and can provide my gaming habits, therefore i'm not shocked for paying for a game that meets my taste (yes i have the 3 chapters).

I played WOW 10 day trial to experiment the game. i installed 5 or 6 game cd's, then i downloaded more than 1 GB of free updates before starting to play, just like the GW sytem works, and these updates are done from time to time, on a free basis, to skill balance, correct bugs, add some new details and content.
i reached lvl 20, because it is the maximum level cap in the 10 day trial, and i only saw maybe 5% of the total game, and i still prefer GW because of the graphics and mainly because of the way the game works.
of course there aren't perfect games, but when basic things that i mentioned, and i repeat, basic, take so long to appear in a high level game like GW, that shows me the effort that Anet spent in completing the game, yes completing, because the news about the potential form of the GW2 that is coming leaves me the sensation that the game i play today will be left incomplete.
this just shows the difference between a game with a monthly fee and a non-monthly fee.

i'm sorry i forgot the Tomb of Primeval kings, but when you mention holiday events and festivals and put them in the level of a significant content update, IMHO this can only be a joke.
last time i checked i don't log on to Guild Wars to see the main cities cities with christmas and halloween decorations, or do beetle races, or running around picking presents, or get into snowball fights or whatever the things that people do in this events.
those events are just extras that should take place along with more real content updates, that IMHO Sorrows Furnace and Tombs are the only examples. oh and we got Tombs because Anet did a real content update to the PvP part of the game.

I guess you didn't get my point mordakai.
we can´t compare the gameplay of WOW and GW because they may look alike but at the same time they are totally different.
with this news of course GW2 can be an improvement of GW, but you know what, we can't compare them, we're talking about a completely new game.

In the Dragon arena, everyone gets an effect that reduces they're life to 100hp, in the Consulate Docks mission, the hp is set to that of a level 20 player. The level 20 cap is cool for PvP, but PvE could use higher levels. Those "effects" do a decent job of leveling the playing field...

It's not even released yet. Even though they have showed us some info. about the game, we haven't experienced the game and we don't know 100% sure how things will work. All I say is to not bash the game(s) for something you don't even know a lot about.

I think it's interesting to hear the argument that ArenaNet shouldn't call the next game "Guild Wars 2" if they're not going to retain all of the original mechanics. It sounds like people are asking for more campaigns and less innovation, which is very contrary to the "Give us a Z-Axis, Give us an Auction House, Give us.... " mentality that has been so pervasive in recent months.

The most striking thing to me, though, is that other companies create sequels with significantly modified/upgraded engines, mechanics, graphics, characters, and even storylines/worlds (The biggest offender: Final Fantasy, which many of you are no doubt familiar with). But so long as there are a few basic ideas tying the old and new games together, you can (and should) call it a sequel. So what if the level cap increases? Still Guild Wars at the heart of it all.

Sequels in movies have the tendency to be worse than the originals, but it's been my experience that sequels in games tend to be even more awe-inspiring than their predecessors.

i think that as long as they allow GW1 char over to GW2 it'll work out fine

Well, I think we agree more than disagree.

I guess I just got ticked off by your list of "facts."

If you had just prefaced the entire previous post with "IMHO" (as you do here), I think it would have gone over much better.

As you say, it's impossible to say anything about Guild Wars 2, because it's just vaporware at this point. I installed WoW about a year ago, and after waiting a few hours for all the updates, found I couldn't even stomach it enough to play 5 minutes. It just wasn't Guild Wars. It didn't look as nice, and didn't feel as intuitive to play as Guild Wars. I couldn't imagine spending money each month on it.

The thing about Guild Wars, you get what you pay for. You want more content? You buy the new Chapters. But you don't have to.

I could've been playing the Original "Prophecy" campaign all this time, and had spent $50 total to play a MMORPG for 2-3 years (I was counting this year in my cost analysis, because there are no new Chapters this year to buy - kinda cheating I admit!)

That's the beauty of Guild Wars, and probably why I'll buy Guild Wars 2 just to check it out if nothing else.

That's not going to happen. This game will have different mechanics, and will not be compatible with your old characters.

See the beginning of thread for more details of what you can and can't bring with you.

[QUOTE]you have never been a sailor.

no matter how strong a chain is forged if the first link is faulty that chain WILL FAIL.

you premise is built on buying all chapters is an assumption. a faulty one.

there are chapter 1 and only chapter 1 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 1/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.

there are chapter 1/2 and only chapter 1/2 without chapter 3 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them. and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.


there are chapter 1/3 and only chapter 1/3 without chapter 2 players still having fun so cut your GW cost to 2/3 for them and no further expected expences until the Christmas (hoilday) season so prorate that time in as well.
WOW doesnt look as good pricewise as you make it seem.

i could leave for a month or so and not have to pay for time not used.

with WOW the KA-CHING goes on...and on.....and on....

it is no illusion as there is no comparison to monthly fees in GW.

ya I really hope they let my paragon over...oh wait... there might not BE paragons in the new game!!

:O

likewise I think even the core professions are subject to an overhaul. especially with the addition of new races, I dont think we should expect to see anything but our names and titles in the new game.

So far, that is not happening.

They are not allowing character transfers from GW1 to GW2. The engine will be too different for them to do that.

Still that might happen after some character conversion cause Anet might allow it in the end if there will be more requests about it.Like lvl caps for example.... now those ppl got their wish.

It would take a lot of time, programming, and so-on (I'd believe), for character transfer to work... But I would think if they really, truly wanted to they could.

Not to mention it could work in to the storyline as well. I mean, think about it. Were't the characters killed in Factions after one of the missions and brought back to life by an Envoy? (I haven't played in a couple of months, broken computer...) For all we know our characters could become Eternals for being such heroes and such. Anyway...

I suppose all we can do is sit and wait. Although I would like to bump my question:

Is there going to be a CE of GW:EN?

i just cant explain how much a good idea i think this gw2 thing is going to be. theres loads of ppl saying "i want my char in gw1 to be able to go over to gw2" but to be honest i think everything anet are doing is great. yeah taking gw1 characters to gw2 could be good. but on the other hand i would love a fresh start. tbh i dont mind either way keep our old characters or dont keep em, im fine with it all. i just think everything anet is doing is a great idea. there would be alot infact more than alot that would probably disagree with me but in my opinion everything ive heard so far sounds great and i really think that anet is going all the right ways about gw2. and hope they continue to!

Would it be possible to bring the character model over, but strip them of their skills or anything else that might make it difficult to transfer them to GW2?

It doesn't matter what they wind up doing. I'll get over it, buy it, play it and enjoy it.

The Hall of Monuments will be a nice touch though... bringing tidbits of characters past into the present.

Maybe the Kill camping will be hindered by making each monster individual for each party.

And perhaps all drops magicly appear in the inventory. Or are perminantly assigned to the character unless they release the item.



And since GW 2 is "Hundreds of years later" Then we'll probably have guns. ANet is finally giving me my AK-47!

*dances*

Guild Wars 2 is going to use and support Directx 10. I love the sound of this

I don't really understand why some people want to bring over the pixels of their old toons. Don't they realize GW2 graphics are almost guaranteed to make GW1 look like PacMan? And don't they realize that no one will care that they somehow amassed 1.5 million gold in a completely different game?

well at least keep things within the context..

my premise is built on the most normal thing in gaming: the love for the game!
if you love the game the must normal thing is that you buy the 3 chapters, like i did. (don't know if you red that part)
hey i know that there are many possibilities, and anyone who is crossing a road can be hit by a truck...

you 're trying to say that gamers that started playing GW since prophecies, and really enjoy the game, like i do and maybe you too, won't buy the other chapters?

you're saying that a gamer, that for example have a copy of factions, and really enjoys the game, like i do and maybe you too, won't buy nightfall and maybe even prophecies?

you really think that the great majority of GW gamers that really enjoy the game only have 1 of the 3 chapters released so far??

who do you think that will be the first gamers to buy GW2 when it comes out?? according to your theory it will be the gamers who never even saw GW before. i don't think so...

your faulty assumption is correct in one situation, when GW2 comes out and the gamers that never played GW before buy it, i bet they will never buy the chapters of GW that we play today. based upon the news we have until now, you know why? theres is no connection/advantage in only having the new game and thinking in buying the old one...

so your trying to say that if a WOW player decides to take a break for a month from the game and chooses to put "on hold" is payment and his account, the blizzard staff will breakdown that player house door screaming:
"WHERES THE MONEY!! WHERES MY MONTHLY FEE!! YOU WILL NEVER PLAY THE GAME AGAIN MISTER!!! NEVER!!!"

come on, give me a break...

My guess? As gnomes, the Asura will have the only guns and the best cannons. Everyone else will still be stuck at catapults.

I fully support this idea BTW. I definitely want to see knee-high bunnies carrying bazookas.

Excuse me while I go enjoy an FPS of some sort. I will check back once a month probably, get the magazine from a friend when he is done, and return to Guild Wars with the release of GW2.

Speculation
Guild Wars economy dies
Guild Wars 1 dies

Maybe in the meantime I get hooked on WoW and forget about Guild Wars 2?

Heh. By the time GW2 comes out, the people who were looking forward to it will be having fun. And new people will be having fun. And most of the people who are threatening to quit will slink back with tail between legs and have fun. And the few who truly quit...won't be noticed because we'll be too busy having a blast to care.

So go ahead and threaten to quit. Go ahead and declare how it's all doomed to hell. It won't matter. Making constructive criticism is one thing, ranting about the apocalypse is another.

doesnt matter if it is required or not - it will feel that way to players IMO. I have 10 level 20's I can switch to as spirit moves me now. But in a 100 level world, I will be playing one or two until I reach the new cap and missing some of the fun of playing multiple classes. doesn't matter if I can logically see the "grind" in that or not; I will be doing that and I won't be anywhere near as happy as I am with the 20 cap.

and obviously there will be no stopping at 20 unless there is also a stopping playing GW entirely

Considering they're planning to create a single world that expands over time, instead of releasing standalone campaigns, I can definitely see benefits to a higher level cap. Say, 40. That gives room for a truly epic storyline. 100 seems a bit much, though.

In other words, you are actually complaining about the fact that there may be too much content for you to enjoy? you are complaining that you would be so busy with ur main char that you would not be able to play other char?

That ppl complain about lack of content i can understand, but to complain there is too much content is really weird... Do you realise that you would still not be paying a monthly fee and that you can play at your own pace, right?

We know YOU won't miss us... heck... we won't miss you either. Thing is, Anet are going to be missing customers, people to pay for the precious servers that will keep your game going... money that will have to keep the servers for GW2 going and the already laggy and inefficient servers for GW1 as well. And then you tell us to stay and play GW1, gladly... but er... do you really think it will be worth playing, I mean with the servers and all? Anet already doesn't seem to care to fix lag problems and such, it took them ages to implement the reconnect service. But have you ever noticed that as soon as a bigger update comes, a smaller one comes 10minutes later, fixing something else? GW2 is going to be far more demanding and sophisticated, I doubt anybody will deny that... but will the Anet staff be able to keep up with the demands and sophistication when GW1 already causes enough problems? Skills are still unbalanced, even though they "try their darndest" to keep up and try to balance everything. Then even though the weekend events are kind of fun, there are many smaller problems that could use fixing, but instead time and energy is being put into screwing up the GvG ladder, PvP ranks, etc by creating double fame weekends and making a joke of the GvG system. I haven't met a single person who is completely happy with EVERY aspect of GW1, what makes you think you will enjoy GW2. The PvE-ers complain that because Anet has to balance skills for PvP, the PvE games is ruined (nobody has touched Glad.'s Defense tho, so most PvE-ers should be safe). So PvP is ruining PvP with the "many" skill updates and nerfs. The PvP-ers are upset that there aren't enough skill updates/nerfs; that Glad. Points, Fame, and Champ. Points aren't worth anything anymore; and the ladder is a joke. And lets not forget that eventful rollback where the entire GW economy crashed for a few hours will Anet fixed everything. Fortunately they learnt from that and it has yet to happen again, but other, similar lags and mishaps have happened since.
Do you really believe Anet will be able to cope with the needs of GW2?

And so far, with all the people I've talked to IN Guild Wars, even random people in all-chat, nobody is going to buy GW2. So far, the only "positive" and "excited" people are the ones in this forum... so those of you who accuse "us negative minded folk" of being the minority, so far not the case for me. And if you think nobody is interested, I'm sure there are many people at Anet who are interested to hear what I and many of my "negative" friends and other "negative-minded" people have to say. Ultimately, they're trying to sell a product and trying to get as many people to buy it as possible. It may be a game and playtime for you, but for them, it's a job and it's how they earn a living, however fun it may seem to everyone else.

But lets go on to my gleeful sarcasm to make sure people do not think I'm "unhealthy" or too pessimistic, I'm VERY excited to see green dwarfs in big robots run around with dragon wings and laptop guns! Yay! I'll name mine Elvis!!! And dungeons! What an original idea! Let me quickly "/shriek for joy".

And one last thing for The Ernada, I'm not the same person as "Ninja Spectre". I do not kiss "his" feet, I have no need for that. You know, it just happens to be that I find Ninja's posts refreshing, and "he" shares my opinion in many things about the upcoming games. People do agree with each other sometimes. I just happened to pick Ninja to agree with, and you picked me to disagree with.

As for the rest of you, you complain and moan about our whining. Wow... just stop! We may also have an opinion. We repeat ourselves? Well... you bring the same arguments up over and over and we have the right to counter those arguments with the same reasons we have. You say it's nothing like WoW, we present you the asura. Etc etc etc. And if you are tired of our moaning, why are you moaning too? Everyone is allowed to express their opinions here, and we just happen to be unhappy with GW2. Heck... maybe I should start complaining and moaning that you're just too darn cheerful and that maybe you should be quiet with your "Yaay! Go World of Guildcraft" "rants".

The problem with the ppl crying "OMG! World of Guildcraft" is that they have not even read the magazine or even know what the details are... They are jumping to conclusions.

In their short-sighted mind, Race+ level 20+ = WoW

If you think that GW is only level 20 and where everyone is human, then you are dead wrong. There is a combination of things that made GW what it is. But the most important thing is the balanced gameplay where skills and teamwork are key. This is NOT about HUMAN character being level 20.

Most of the rant and fears that people are actually complaining about are actually answered in the magazine. So, they are complaining without real reasons.

As many ppl suggested before, grab a copy of the mag before actually ranting.