PC Gamer May 2007 Information - "Guild Wars Reborn"

[email protected] Tyra Banks bit m8. I have agree with you. A lot of us in the Philippines are already expecting our shipment of GW2 doesn't result in demanding a refund. I play WOW, Everquest and GW, but only depending on what's boring me atm. If GW2 is too much like WOW (leveling to 100 is a lot, takes a lot of time.), then I'd just stick to WOW. Atleast that game is very much better established for that type of MMO.

Brown nosers are everywhere. Just get to used to it. This is a forum. It happens. I don't like the idea of the anti-character migration. The monument sounds nice, yet it is just a waste of time.

You are not the only one that feels that way. This level grind is just going to create additional discrimination on a lot of lower players, "You can't be on my team because you aren't level 100." That's going to suck.

Hahahahahaha! I actually have a great figure. I'd probably lose it if actually had all that time to play those games too. I wonder how much Gaile weighs?

Guild Wars is my favorite out of all the other MMOS. Once you get to level 20, that's pretty much it. You can still develop your toon w/o getting level discrimination. Although you might get subjected to build-discrimination if you ping your build and don't display a cookie cutter wiki-version.

I hope so too. Truthfully, we can't make that many assumptions off what we just read of the first post of this thread. Or can we? If Gaile's quotes are suppose to be the marketing pitch for us to buy GW2 clearly it isn't a good one or we'd all be in agreement.

Well , if i can't transfer chars i won't buy gw2
nearly 1.5 years for nothing , i know they say they won't leave behind gw1
But if your realistic , it WILL be left behind sooner or later

Hopefully they find a solution , coze i'm sure many think the same bout the transfer of chars .............

I agree. Along the 50% that voted on that closed poll and the ones that didn't.

GW2 would make better sales if it was allowed character migration. Not everyone cares to buy Prophecies first. Chances are a lot of people will wish to get straight to the chase and buy GW2 since it would be new and something to not feel left back on. And then to buy GW1 (including all three campaigns) just to migrate. Or even the other way around. That would be good money.

To not allow character migration (even though it would be set a century fowards *coughs* Chrono Trigger), bad money, just a waste of space.

I LOL'd at the Wing Commander remark. BTW the charr are more like dogs and the Kilrathi more like kitties :] For god sakes I have the game on my old pc. Just thought I'd clear that up.

So do i... Maybe you should replay the game already ... You do realise that Charr comes in more than one type... do you? The Charr melee warriors looks more like a dog and the Shaman and FlameSeekers look more like lions/cats ...The Kilrathi in the old pc game looks similar to the 2nd class... And the Kilrathi in movie actually look more like the charr berserker...

And Animalppl vs human ...wow ..that is such an "original" concept.

In the end, Anet was already taking reference from other games and other stuffs. Not that it is a bad thing.

Want more examples? Shiro looks similar to Takeshi Kaneshiro in Onimusha with dual sword... Lich looks like the generic bad ass from any other tv shows...the main bad guy in Dungeons and Dragons tv show?

don't you think having the playerbase split between two separate games is just going to make the desolated outpost problem 10x worse? atleast with gw1 you have factions characters in elona and such :/ plus... are gw2 expansions not gunna add new areas? I'm fairly certain it will.... then gw2 will be spread out more... and of course still spread between gw and gw2...

Yah i too hope that they wont change the lvl cap...

You can debate all those features all you want, but I AM sure of one thing. All those people whining about how they just wasted time and won't be moving on to GW2 won't be missed. Adieu.

I agree with Onarik, not gonna miss you guys^^. Personally I don't see why this thread needs to remain open. All of the information needed is on the very first page, and any sort of speculation going on is quite pointless and unwanted.

The rest of this thread is just trash talk and scraps for trolls (no capital T for you, sorry), which isn't so hard to come by, since alot of people are pissed off with this thread because of 'them'.

...in at least 2 years from now. Don't see that as a problem, sorry.

Wow, a week after the big announcement and still, "OMG, this is gonna kill Guild Wars!!111"

OK. Some people need to step back and look at the big picture:

Guild Wars 2 is gonna sell like hotcakes. Why? No Monthly Fees.

Why did we all buy Guild Wars in the first place? We didn't know if it would even survive the first month, yet we bought it. We didn't know exactly how it was going to work, and we still bought it.

Same thing with Guild Wars 2: It will sell millions of copies, no problem.

Anet will think diff to it , every person is $$$$$$ , and as it looks now
they sure will loose lots , also the fact that many people who play GW also play WoW too so why would they wanna start from scratch whit a WoW clone ?

better yet stop the complaining bout gw2... sigh its 2 years away and still everything is possible. so i think all people should stop whining about this and just w8 for it

I dunno about everyone else, but GW2 sounds really interesting to me; I'm a sucker for content (and the new movement system!). Having said that, while I'll still hate to have to leave my old characters behind, I won't whine about it and instead spend what is possibly the last two years of GW as we know it enjoying GW as we know it. Thank you.

Geez, the wangst.

transfering your character over? in terms of what?



skills gained? - the skills in GW2 may be (probably are) totally different... not to mention the classes will probably be different as well... I doubt that they will start out with dervish and paragons as playable races.... but if you as a core profession get to transfer your character and I dont....that isnt fair...so that does not make much sense.

level attained? - the level cap will be different anyway..so you want them to bump you up to lvl 100? or maybe give you a head start at levl 20? with the first point in mind....that does not make much sense.

equipment claimed? - we may be able to do this but are uncertain to the details.... obviously most of the equipment cannot transfer as the armour/weapon/currency system will likely change.

titles sustained? - we have already learned that your name and titles will most likely be able to transfer. so QQing about transfering things such as these does not make much sense.




dont be afraid of change my friends, for it is a part of life. And learning to adapt will grant you the will to survive.


/end sermon

wow guys stop bashing anet and the game YEARS before it comes out give em a chance and wait and see

Weapons should be interesting and probably fair becuase you will need certain attributes so therefore you couldn't use it at the start

Umm, I've spent hundreds of hours trying to accomplish things - developing multiple characters and beating the 3 campaigns and getting them armor/items/titles - and yet I'm in favor of starting fresh. If the hall of monuments displays titles and maybe a case of "gramp's" weapons and armor that would be plenty enough to make me happy. And aren't you going a bit overboard with the "invaluable time" comment? After all, this is a game, and you chose to spend your "invaluable time" on it, yes?

Minipets will probably be the easiest things to move over, because you just need to reproduce the model and then it does it's own thing. From the sounds of it, GW2's new graphics engine will factor in new environmental/physics effects, so it would likely require a lot of work to transfer weapons and armor over -- especially armor, because the character models will probably be all different as well... which probably makes the minipets the most easiest "objects" to transfer over. Also, they don't represent wealth IMO (at least not intrinsically), unlike armor and items. If you're going to allow armor and items to be transferred, while not gold? That way the leet "upper class" of GW1 can stay that way in GW2 and totally screw up the economy from the very beginning.


Good idea... yes, let's keep this real. I'm excited about GW2, and for learning more about it as it develops. While I have not been pleased by every single thing ANet has done -- and I will gladly point them out (no auction house and no barber npc, as well as some of the skill changes and economy decisions), on the whole I think they've done an incredible job with GW and with listening to the players, and this gives me hope and faith that they can do it again with GW2 -- and even better now that they have the experience of GW1. And how are we to know what will become of GW2 when so many of its features are yet unknown/to be determined? I will continue to point out problems where I see them, but the future looks bright to me. Does this make me a brown noser?

I've been playing GW since around the 2nd week of release, and I certainly have stuff that could transfer over, but I am against transfer of anything besides minipets, maybe titles, and a display case for armor/items. Why? Because GW2 will be a different game. It will have different mechanics and different leveling, character, and questing systems, and I for one want to explore it from the beginning. Why would you even want to start out at maxed level with maxed weapons and armor? I can kind of understand the desire to continue on with your current characters, but then you'd miss so much content... it doesn't seem worth it to me. Not to mention the character models will likely be different so, as there would be no equivalent to our current characters, the only option would be to make a direct transfer (and either have the characters use GW1's models and appear crude, or make the dev team create new models for all GW1 characters/combo's which is a waste IMHO). Also, everyone who did start GW1 late, or started with GW2, would be at an unfair disadvantage because they would have to start with nothing while veterans would get to run around with their leet gear. IMHO, a new game should = a new start.



I'm sorry, but the similarities evade me on this one. Apparently I disagree with you, and behind the scenes I still do... feel free to pay me if you wish, but that won't change my opinions.

Umm, once again, neither you nor I know all the details. We have yet to see how the leveling system will work... whether it will be purely cosmetic, whether it will be a cap of 21, 50, 100, or unlimited, and how levels will be achieved and how fast. So you aren't really keeping it real... you're just booing at change, or for the sake of booing.

And again, you don't know how GW2 will work, but considering the awesome game they've made with GW1, and considering who ANet is, I seriously doubt they will make a WoW knock off. And considering all that, don't they deserve to be given a chance?

I agree with you -- GW1 is awesome and I hope GW2 rocks even harder. But you can get just as addicted to GW as any other game. I doubt GW2 will completely turn its back on GW1 -- I believe GW2 will take the cool aspects of GW1 and improve on them... not making a WoW clone, but making a GW that's even better. (and hopefully has an auction house and barber npc )

I can't read all the posts, as I have a job during the day and GW during evenings I do appreciate the headlines at the beginning of the thread.

I have not read the article, but once the mag comes out, I'll be first running around with an Asura mini... if my daughter doesn't beat me to it, that is

Re: level cap & grinding
Grinding for the purpose of grinding is not fun. However, I'd like to know what level my char is even though I get no additional benefit from being higher level. It also all depends on how it's done. In GW, for example, I never had to go around killing monsters so that I was strong enough to do the quests. If that's kept, then no problem. I also like being as strong as someone who spend longer time playing. There are currently many aspects of the game that encourage grind, with no benefits aside from aesthetics, e.g. armors, titles, skill choices. It's all in how it's done, and with regards to this, "In ANet I trust!"

Re: no more classes
*Sob* That's an aspect I truly enjoyed, playing new classes with each new release. I'd replay the original campaigns just to have new classes. Terribly disappointed - please reconsider? There must be ways to greatly simplify adding new classes, no?

Re: classes
Woohoo! Sweet! Any details on what that might provide would be greatly appreciated. If the race is purely esthetic, that's great too!

Re: GW=>GW2 benefits
Hall of munoments sounds awesome. I like restarting new chars anyway, but the ability to bring over achievements is a great bonus. One way to deal with gold or items would be that you would have to donate them into a special time capsule-type of chest, and once donated, you can't retrieve it back. The item is transferred to your GW2 account. Just an idea.

Re: PvP vs PvE
I'm starting to get into PvP, and I think PvP and PvE will live forever. It's all in the implementation, and as far as higher level cap and continued character development goes, I repeat myself: "In ANet I trust"

PS: hope the Dervish gets a new form. We PvE'ers all know what that would be

I mostly agree with you, except for this point: Minipets do have value. I just bought a Kuunivang for 100k + 6 ectos. Now, that's not FoW expensive, but it's certainly not cheap either. And I bought it on the assumption that it (unlike my 15k armor) will transfer over.

I wonder, though, will mini-pets be stuck in a zoo so we can't show them off? Will they become customized? If Anet is concerned about Gold being transferred to GW2, shouldn't they be concerned about mini-pets being sold?

Alaris:

Details on Races:

Sylvari
Elf-like race. Supernatural connection with plants and empathic bond to each other.

Asuras
By now, we all know what these look like! Use magic and technical skills to create weapons. (Hint at Crafting skill, perhaps?)

Charr
Duh. No clue what their special skill is (maybe involving fire?)

Norn
Norse half-giants. Have skill that changes them into half-bear, with increased melee damage and health.

Also, a sentence on top says these are not ALL the races! No word on the final number....

Thanks, Morakai.

Onarik => Those who have resellable items (like minipets) will still have an advantage because they can get money more quickly than others, initially. I can see buying minipets in GW1 and reselling them in GW2 being an equivalent to transferring gold, except for a relatively small time delay. That being said, I'm OK with that, because the advantage will be delayed and relatively limited -- and -- because GW has a relatively easy-to-reach maximum cap (most of the stuff that's costly in money and time is stuff that is purely cosmetic), but others might object and prefer that everybody starts clean.

Well, the only reason I brought it up is because the argument that Weapons won't tbe transferable b/c of selling possibilities.

But, this argument has flaws. First, any weapon brought over could be customized (by account, not character), so it could not be sold. Second, most assume the game mechanics will change, making the current weapon stats either useless or less than perfect.

Still, Weapon and Armor skins could transfer, and that way players could use their favorite weapon and armor in Guild Wars 2.

But, personally, I don't see the point. I want new skins, not the same ones I've seen for 2+ years (4 years by the time GW 2 arrives!)

You and me both Alaris! In fact I'm considering getting a copy shipped across from America just so that I can see what it looks like and read the article for myself!

I agree, though in one cases I did go out and kill things to progress (Sunspear General anyone?) it was only the smallest amount I needed and most of the time I was already the right level to progress, this needs to continue with GW2 - its just not fun otherwise. I'm not against grinding but I certainly don't want to do it all the time just to get somewhere!

No more classes...really? That's a shame, but then again I do completely understand; not only will we be getting a completely new game, but there'll be new races which are bound to play each class slightly differently to each other, let alone the way they're played now, which will no doubt make things a lot more interesting. To constantly be creating new classes has got to be a hard one for Anet too - there's only so much they can do to keep within the lines of originality, and if they keep on creating new professions every 6 months or so then there'll be class merging before too long which is certainly not what we want just for the sake of having a new role to play, surely! But another thing to remember is that there's always the possibility (probability) that Anet will release an expansion for GW2 which will have other professions in it - just because the new game won't have them, it doesn't mean that there never will be any new ones.

Definitely, and I know I'm not the first to say it. Although I don't have any really good titles on my characters (yet!) its great that they are able to be passed on, I'm sure the people that have spent a lot of time and effort on getting theirs are relieved I know I would be!

Hehe, yes!

personally I say they shouldn't have been sellable to begin with.they're supposed to be a gift to show that you've been with guild wars from the beginning, not just some quick money making scheme and a way for a new player to pretend to have been around for a while...

all other /claim items are not transferable, yet mini-pets are.... meh

anyways since some of my posts are confusing, my current stance on transfering is:

mini pets and gold cape trim only. both things are completely useless but things that are supposed to last forever as a status symbol. and best of all, people aren't near as elitist with em as people are with fame and rank heh

GW2 sounds interesting.

My concern and hope is that Anet stick to their original principles. the reason why they made GW in the first place. The world needs CORPG.

Anet have succeeded where other MMORPGs fail, so I have faith they won't throw it away.....hopefully

To be clear, I have been with Guild Wars since (relatively) the beginning.

The reason I bought Kuunivang is it's the one pet I've wanted since I saw it, and it was released AFTER I bought a regular edition Factions. Man, that pissed me off... if only I had waited a few days!

So, I'm glad mini-pets are tradeable. Otherwise, it would be impossible to "catch 'em all!"

A lot of people in this thread are trying to predict the future based of a handful of vague information at best. Guild Wars is great but there are problems that can't be fixed as it is now (including the biannually chapter release system). Guild Wars 2 looks to fix a lot of that. It won't be out for at least another year or two, and even then, the original Guild Wars will still be supported, so the haters will still have their original characters to play with. There is literally nothing to be complaining about at this point, other than for the sake of acting like drama queens spouting "oh my gawd its the end of guild wars!!!"

Meh, Only read some of the first page, stopped reading much after the complaints about the level cap being removed... One, I doubt that Anet will require you to reach a high level to compete with the other players, that would go against what they stand for completely, it is merely there to appease some of the populus and give the game more lasting power.. Also, keep in mind that Anet is not going to shutdown the GW1 servers, so if you really want to stay away from a raised level cap then there is no need to buy GW2, I would also presume that they will keep having new live content for GW!.. Have faith.. The one thing that I am rather worried about is, with removing of the episodic sales, will Anet have enough money to keep the servers up across both games. I am hoping that they will be fine though, since they did make a large amount of money off of GW1 and since NCsoft can help with keeping the servers up with it's revenues from CoH/Cov. Maybe Anet may have to resort to some in game advertising, but that won't be nearly as bad as if they were to start charging a monthly fee. Aaaaanyway, don't worry about the level cap and such, Anet has been reliable thus far, what reason do we have to start doubting them now?

Yes, you're right. When saying they have no intrinsic value, I guess I was commenting more on my personal opinion than on a widely-shared point of view.

I think minipets should remain non-customized in GW1. Otherwise, I would have never gotten my favorites (jungle troll and charr shaman). I'm still undecided on customizing them in GW2. I do rather like the idea of customizing them upon transferring -- that way you can show off your "heritage" or whatever without making GW2 money off it.

Guild Wars 2 money-making possibilities:

According to PC Gamer, they will sell additional content you can decide to buy, or not.

My guess: They will be more like Expansions than full chapters, you might need the original Guild Wars 2 to play, (that way they don't have to re-invent the wheel each Chapter), and it will give players more skills, items, content, etc.

Of course, we'll have to wait to be sure...

GW2 and GWEN sound AWESOME. I can't wait.

I like the new changed to gw2.

I speculate the level cap sounds pretty much like what we have now but instead of a flash of light and a little message saying i've earned 1 skill point, it will say i've reach lvl 21 and so on. no heath bonus or anything crazy like that. maybe some titles at 20 level intervals but w/e i'm no game designer.

I wouldn't mind a little bit more persistance but i'd like a healthy balance between the 2. like maybe a special pve area or 2 where everyone can fight thats in there.

all in all we don't have much room too boo or praise them on gw2, as most of the game is probably a bunch of pictures pined to a story board in the concept art's wall.

Here is a graphics' question about GW2, not sure if anyone asked this already, but:

In GW1, I really appreciated the fact that the game was able to run pretty nicely even when playing on a lower end pc, meaning a pc using onboard video card. Even though it was not the best way to play the game, but it was definitely playable.

So how will things be in GW2? Will things stay the same as before or will it turn out more like Vanguard, a game that most systems won't be able to handle. When I say "same as before" I don't mean the same graphics as GW1, of course something much better and up to date.

So to sum it up: How accessible will GW2 be in terms of graphics?

I am 99% certain that the level cap is not something superficial and limited to just a skill point. Why you ask? Because there's a sidekick feature. You can sidekick someone 10 levels or below you to up him to your level.

Now if the skill cap was superficial and had no benefits then we wouldnt need the sidekick system. The sidekick system pretty much proves that there's going to be a high level and wide gaps betwen levels and that the levels do matter.

all the peoples is complainin bout stuff not set in stone. well, most at least. honestly, if it is changed drastically, is it the end of the world? no. why? because thems gunna keep undating the original. are you gunna stop playin gw compteley if it is? maybe, but would that be wise? maybe, maybe not. none of this is set in stone, thus it is pointless (kinda) to discuss such matters not in our hands. sure, its fun to speculate, but if it keeps you up at night, well, it shudnt. if they screw it up, oh well. r ppl gunna be dissapointed? yea. look at kotor 2, did it suck? yea, however were there good aspects to it? yea. look at factions, was the storyline as good as prophecies? no, did it let down ppl in some places? yea. are there good things that came with it? most definately. games are based on trial and error, and the opihnions of the masses. i think aNET is tryin to please everyone, and i believe they'll pull through.

argument on things not set in stone is pointless, even though it is fun. don't hate what isnt positive.

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HERE IT IS DIRECT FROM JEFF STRAIN THE LOW HEVEL CAP IS GONE

There are ways to implement a 'sidekick' system even if each level above 20 only awards a skill point. For instance, you could make it a 'master - apprentice' arrangement, where if you're grouped with your 'master,' you get access to some of the skills that he's got that you don't.

This would probably work better in a truly 'classless' game, where every character could theortically learn every attribute. (Perhaps each ten levels above 20 entitles you to know one more attribute beyond your standard main and sub sets?). HP and mana could be calculated by checking your point split between 'brains' and 'brawn' class attributes.

So say I have a level 29 warrior/monk with some skill points to burn, and i'd like to try out being a warrior/fire elementalist, but i haven't gotten the right to buy the 'fire' attribute yet. I ask my level 70 elementalist/mesmer friend, who has been all over and has tons of elite skills, to become my master.

Now, when i party with him, i can elect to put points into the 'fire' attribute and assign some fire skills he knows to my skill slots. You might restrict the skills that can be 'borrowed' in some way; perhaps limit them to only certain skills, or skills that the master is/isn't equipping himself.

For extra dramatic effect, you might even let an elligible apprentice skillcap skills while he's borrowing them them under some circumstances. (Crit with the skill on a boss? Maybe add some extra visual flair to the execution, just so everyone knows you learned a new skill?)

Anyhow, that's just one way it could be done. I'm anxious to see what ANet has planned...

personally, level capping or no, ill stick with gw. heck, only reason i got involved wua the fact that it's FREE. only thing that would truly bother me would be if its wasn't free. i see all of these "problems" as just a fact of life. its not gunna be perfect, so youz gunna hafta get used to stuff. personally, level dont matter, its skill, so either way its fine with me. i mean, i cappd shield o judgement on my monk at lvl 12 with ascalon armor, died once, with henchman. was i the greatest? imo yes, but not necessarily (sp?). it wud be another thing to work for. becomin goods enough to kill ppl 5, 10, 20 lvl's higher than you. i mean, at first, how many people complained bout the lvl 20 cap? almost everyone. but ppl got used to it. i think the same thing will happen with 2, and if it doesnt, theres still the original.

i hate when they anounce stuff like this, cuz u got too much time to speculate, and get crazy high expectations that sumtimes go down in flames (kotor 2, halo 2...) but w/e. its all just a game anyhow....

Good question. I, too, hope that GW2 won't require a top of the line system just to adequately play and enjoy it. To be honest, GW1's graphics are so good IMO, that I would be perfectly happy if GW2 used the same engine -- albeit with some touchups (armor seams come to mind).