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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X
Eventually a key will be worth more than the loot to drop from the chests, which will further kill the game.
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Colossal Scimitar...same fate as Dead Sword?
Eadric
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Levi Garett
Yes they will be the next dead sword. Req 9 for 65k FTW.
It does take some effort though....took me 6-7 hours of farming to farm one. Others have reported farming for days and still haven't seen one. How come nobody's complaining about Dead Bows? Looks like you can't get 10k for a 15>50 req 9 anymore....now that is sad! At least the Colossals are still above 100k! |
I can't really fathom the notion of things in GW costing over 100k .... but heck, it sounds like I need to jump on the bandwagon myself... Gotta unlock Hard Mode in Nightfall with my Assassin (rather than pratting around in Tyria trying to get GMC) and get my monk and necro in there to start farming! ^_^
Heck... if I can figure out how to farm them and get a few of them then I'd be happy selling them even if the price dropped to 20k! ^_^
I guess this is all about perspective. 100k to me is an absolute fortune....
lightblade
I don't care! Colossal Scimitar looks like a toy knife anyways.
Lucifer PVP
Just give me a HOTO and enigma and ill be leet
Sir Skullcrasher
I feel bad paying for my req 12 Colossal Scimitar and selling my mini Kunnvang cuz I was out of money! 
Jongo River
Why do some people talk as though these weapons were put there soley for the dedicated farmers? Do they really think that Anet designers sat down one day and said to themselves "wouldn't it be great to have a range of really cool kit, for grubby little obsessives to get rich off?" I think it's more likely "rare" items are there to cause excitment when you get one and that all players are intended to receive "rare" items from time to time, because "rarity" is about how often they drop, not how many players should have them. I know finding my Dragon Scythes in Factions was a major high point and I'm pretty sure the thrill I felt at the time was an intended part of the GW experience - and not just for me, but for everyone!
To me hard mode drops are saying "once you've completed the game, there's no point in withholding stuff anymore - you are entitled to items you missed and shouldn't have to pay the farmers, so go get them!" Good on Anet, I say.
To me hard mode drops are saying "once you've completed the game, there's no point in withholding stuff anymore - you are entitled to items you missed and shouldn't have to pay the farmers, so go get them!" Good on Anet, I say.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Jongo River
Why do some people talk as though these weapons were put there soley for the dedicated farmers? Do they really think that Anet designers sat down one day and said to themselves "wouldn't it be great to have a range of really cool kit, for grubby little obsessives to get rich off?" I think it's more likely "rare" items are there to cause excitment when you get one and that all players are intended to receive "rare" items from time to time, because "rarity" is about how often they drop, not how many players should have them. I know finding my Dragon Scythes in Factions was a major high point and I'm pretty sure the thrill I felt at the time was an intended part of the GW experience - and not just for me, but for everyone!
To me hard mode drops are saying "once you've completed the game, there's no point in withholding stuff anymore - you are entitled to items you missed and shouldn't have to pay the farmers, so go get them!" Good on Anet, I say. |
Well... almost entirely. My first weapons in the whole game were a pair of Dragon Scythes given to me by someone in the guild I first got recruited into as a newb, so I never really thought of them as super-valuable (I dyed them purple on a whim).... I've only ever found a pair of gold dragon scythes myself once... I still have both pairs to this day and think nothing of it.
But yeah.... Complete truth.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Levi Garett
How come nobody's complaining about Dead Bows? Looks like you can't get 10k for a 15>50 req 9 anymore....now that is sad! At least the Colossals are still above 100k!
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I get a perfect 1 and it turns out to be worthless
Oh well, can't have everything i guess.
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping.
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A player with lots of gold certainly isn't a better player as far as actual gameplay goes, but they are obviously a better farmer and trader and therefore deserve to reap the benefits of their financial accumen. I wish that simple want equated to the right to obtain but that isn't the case. You want something you work for it and that's the bottom line. Statements like this one are why I never take the complaints against farmers seriously. People can hide it all they like behind carefully formulated arguments but what it boils down to is they actually believe that just because they want something they should have it with little to no expenditure on their part.
flipfly2004
im glad that my r9 runic blade wont have the same fate as the others because its s hoh drop only item XD
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by flipfly2004
im glad that my r9 runic blade wont have the same fate as the others because its s hoh drop only item XD
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Alleji
Yeah, it's a shame.
I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/
I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/
VanDamselx
I hate how people say that everyone deserves to have a "rare-skinned" weapon if they want because the reason they are rare in the first place is so people have to work for them. These items will not be RARE anymore if they are flooded into the market. Some people farm hours and hours for these items and now almost anyone can have them. Yes this game is for the casual gamer but before anyone slaps that argument in my face: I am well aware of that. However, this is only vanity and does not make you any better. So even if you *want* this weapon, another less rare skin will suffice. For those of us who like to work towards these things, it's a pain in the ass when everyone and their brother can get one now. Yes some people don't like farming but why should this game be centered around you when there are people who enjoy grind and farming. And seriously, EVERY class has a solo build. Read the forums if you don't believe me. Don't sit there and say that people can't make a solo character because they don't have the right profession. That's ridiculous.
Rare weapons are a reward for us farmers!
Rare weapons are a reward for us farmers!
Str0b0
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Yeah, it's a shame.
I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/ |
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by Alleji
Yeah, it's a shame.
I don't own one and wasn't planning on buying one (because I don't like the skin) but the game is just no fun without rare items... and anet was slowly killing rare skins for the past two years :/ |
Generally they'll be the weapons that are too rare for every average person to have them, but not rare enough for the farmers to go crazy overfarming them....
I mean... people hyped the Dead Swords. People still to some extent hype the Colossal Scimitars. People hype the Sephis Axes and the Dwarven Axes and the Crystalline Swords.
But there are quite a few Canthan weapons which aren't so rare I pretty much never hear people hyping about.... like Golden Phoenix Blades (a bit small for my liking) and Oni Blades (look really cool with Bladed Shields)... Jade Swords..... or my precious Celestial weapons which I do so like! ^_^
People don't hype those up.... nor make a big thing of having one.... so it isn't a far reach to assume that if you do have one, use it and enjoy it.... you're in a serious minority... which essentially makes it Rare.
Does that make much sense to you.... or am I just spouting pseudo-optimistic drivel?
Sir Skullcrasher
Wait till peoples find way to farm that runic blade and watch how low the price drops.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by booooYA
Rare weapons are a reward for us farmers!
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Rare weapons are supposed to be a reward for the exceptionally lucky. They're supposed to be random drops that appear once in a blue moon whilst gaming normally on a regular basis....
Farming is just a method of cheating that system... a method which has become so commonplace that it is now a fully accepted practice.
VanDamselx
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Bollocks.
Rare weapons are supposed to be a reward for the exceptionally lucky. They're supposed to be random drops that appear once in a blue moon whilst gaming normally on a regular basis.... Farming is just a method of cheating that system... a method which has become so commonplace that it is now a fully accepted practice. |
You make it sound like farmers get these weapons to drop for them all the time while for casual gamers they do not. I can farm an area all day and may not get the weapon I desire. I may invest 2 hours in an area before I even get something worth keeping. So yes, it is a REWARD.
SotiCoto
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Originally Posted by booooYA
I chest farm quite a bit as I am trying to max out my title. I get a lot of crap when I do this but every ONCE in a while I will get a weapon worth 100k+ or more. So while I am spending my own gold to work towards a title, I like the fact that every once in a while I get REWARDED for doing the hard work that it is taking to get that title. Farming is not cheating as they would ban anyone who was doing so. Many of the rich people you see selling things are not always the hardcore farmers, but the smart ones who buy low and sell high. I've seen many PC Gurus say that.
You make it sound like farmers get these weapons to drop for them all the time while for casual gamers they do not. I can farm an area all day and may not get the weapon I desire. I may invest 2 hours in an area before I even get something worth keeping. So yes, it is a REWARD. |
Does nobody ever actually question what they're doing it for?
I mean... when you have loads of money and all the awesome skins you'll ever need..... what do you do with them? Aren't they there to support the gaming, rather than the other way around? ...
In any case... farming is still cheating the system in my opinion.... but clearly not in A-Net's (mostly because so many people do it, and parts of the game become almost unviable if not for farming).
Str0b0
Personally I think it is a matter of what you like to do in a game. Without a persistent world the PvE section of this game starts to get old easily. It reminds me of Diablo 2. Granted there is PvP but it is prohibitively difficult to get into PvP because of rank discrimination and some people just don't like that type of competitive play. I know in Diablo 2 once you beat the game then it was time to start farming for loot. The economy in that game was so broken the only way you could get good equipment was to either buy it from a third party or farm it since the currency was usually bugged and duped charms and runes as opposed to gold. I like that sort of play. I like the thrill of finding a really rare item and either using it or knowing that I can sell it for an insane amount of money. In all honesty at this point in the game I have more gold than I will ever spend right now. I've got my characters tricked out how I want them so what else is there to drop it on? I still farm though because I like the excitement of getting that drop and I like the excitement of posting it here in the auctions and watching the bids start rolling in. The problem with Anet's system is that because they made it so that the mods were universal and could be found on any skin there is no way for the weapons to support gameplay because you can be competitive without the rare skin. So once you finish the PvE portion if you don't want to PvP then the gameplay becomes farming for weapons or impressing newbies with your super awesome build that demolishes a mission for them in no time.
VanDamselx
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
It is somewhat of a shame when they have to reward you for gaming like that in order to keep you doing it.... and then so many folks decide to skip out on the essence of the gaming and go straight for the reward.
Does nobody ever actually question what they're doing it for? I mean... when you have loads of money and all the awesome skins you'll ever need..... what do you do with them? Aren't they there to support the gaming, rather than the other way around? ... In any case... farming is still cheating the system in my opinion.... but clearly not in A-Net's (mostly because so many people do it, and parts of the game become almost unviable if not for farming). |
Correct Jeans
E he...he he he...I was the first one to discover the farming spot and post it on GW...If you feel it necessary you can put all blame on me because I probably deserve it 
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lacasner
I disagree with Herb here. As an avid merchant myself, there is no real thing of playing the market so to speak. The way I merchant is I spot good deals and get LUCKY that people do not know the real value of their item. Really, there is no skill or so persay to merchant, and I've merchanted 1.5mil+ items pretty quickly.
SniperF0x
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Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping.
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Rare items are meant to be rare, low availability and a high demand.
Marth Reynolds
Then i'll blame you for making the collassal scimitar easier to get for the avarege gamer, thanks chap.
I don't see the harm of making some skins less rare, theyre will always be rare skins out there to get and if i might be so rude it's just selfish to be anrgy that they won't be that rare anymore.
Complain when anet makes all skins easy to get not when 1 or 2 skins drop in rarity.
I'm aware that some might have spended to much money buying them or spending a lot of time farming one, sorry but you'll have to deal with the fact that not everything works as you want it to.
I don't see the harm of making some skins less rare, theyre will always be rare skins out there to get and if i might be so rude it's just selfish to be anrgy that they won't be that rare anymore.
Complain when anet makes all skins easy to get not when 1 or 2 skins drop in rarity.
I'm aware that some might have spended to much money buying them or spending a lot of time farming one, sorry but you'll have to deal with the fact that not everything works as you want it to.
Jongo River
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Then we come to the question, what is called rare when everyone can get it?
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Believe it or not, some people just play through the game and barely notice the "economy", except for the spamming part. We all need nice unusual drops from time to time, to keep us interested, regardless of how we play. That's how games have always been designed. Better stuff, the further you get - not just better stuff, the more you play the same area over and over...
I'm personally sick to death of hearing people talk about how hard they've worked. This is a game, it's entertainment. It's not supporting your family, it isn't improving your future - make as much virtual money as you like, but you're being no more productive than if you spent your time alphabetizing a porn collection.
Trading is a perfectly fine peripheral elemant of the game, but it is just a peripheral elemant. I think sometimes some of you forget that.
lennymon
Wile I personally feel they are fugly, they are WAY too overpriced and this is all good. Now the tatooed scimitar on the other hand IS beautiful ;P
daraaksii
I really like hard mode! Req9 15^50 Sephis, Rreq8 15^50 Dead Bow. Good day for me!
lyra_song
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Wile I personally feel they are fugly, they are WAY too overpriced and this is all good. Now the tatooed scimitar on the other hand IS beautiful ;P
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Squalus the Ipno
lol first run with my ele monk and 
(never tried before to farm colossal!)
My first rare drop in my GW experience (lol almost 2 years)
(never tried before to farm colossal!)My first rare drop in my GW experience (lol almost 2 years)
byteme!
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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony
Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping.
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1)No more rares
2)Less farmers since their are less rares
3)Since everything is plentiful a large chunk of the population can either find or buy everything they ever wanted in a very short period of time
4)Replay value = partially dead
5)Supply > Demand = market plummets to oblivion
We need these vanity items to stay rare to give people things to do and goals to achieve. Nuff said!
*THIS POST IS A REPLY TO THE QUOTED STATEMENT NOT ABOUT THE RARITY OR LACK OF IT IN TERMS OF THE COLOSSAL SCIMITAR*
ShadowsRequiem
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E he...he he he...I was the first one to discover the farming spot and post it on GW...If you feel it necessary you can put all blame on me because I probably deserve it
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but you try to be nice and let normal gamers get glamor items....... and this is what happens X_X
but dead swords are ass ugly..
And I'm with lyra! Ornate Scimitars FTW!!!
byteme!
I'm willing to bet thousands of people already had it in mind that C.Scimitars among other things would be attainable the day HM was released. Your posts/threads ONLY confirmed what alot of us probably already knew.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10145956 I've had my hunches as well on a few things. Could've added more but it was late and I was tired. The thread was written right after HM was released and just before the loot scaling was fixed.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10145956 I've had my hunches as well on a few things. Could've added more but it was late and I was tired. The thread was written right after HM was released and just before the loot scaling was fixed.
Sir Skullcrasher
Squalus, I remember when I first went farming Dead Sword, I gotten a req 9 max damage too. I was stunned since I never tried farming Dead Sword before. 
jon0592
I couldn't care less how rare these weapons are! The cheaper the better.
Now I'm waiting for a crazy ele sword farm...
Now I'm waiting for a crazy ele sword farm...
big papi
Woooo Awesome Idea Lets Make Fow Armor Free Too!!!!!!!!!! Who Needs Rare Skins Everyone Should Be Equal And Have The Same Stuff!!!
byteme!
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Originally Posted by big papi
Woooo Awesome Idea Lets Make Fow Armor Free Too!!!!!!!!!! Who Needs Rare Skins Everyone Should Be Equal And Have The Same Stuff!!!
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Midnight Harmony
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This makes ABSOLUTELY zero sense and the logic is flawed big time. If EVERYONE deserves/has rare skinned weapons how is that weapon rare? If all rares were widely available and common to everyone and their mom where would the "real" rare items be? The fact is they wouldn't exist. Half the population would quit in a short period of time.
1)No more rares 2)Less farmers since their are less rares 3)Since everything is plentiful a large chunk of the population can either find or buy everything they ever wanted in a very short period of time 4)Replay value = partially dead 5)Supply > Demand = market plummets to oblivion We need these vanity items to stay rare to give people things to do and goals to achieve. Nuff said! *THIS POST IS A REPLY TO THE QUOTED STATEMENT NOT ABOUT THE RARITY OR LACK OF IT IN TERMS OF THE COLOSSAL SCIMITAR* |
Want vanity? Go get FoW armour or try for a HoH drop.
I think most people are forgetting that this is only one skin, it's not like all rare skinned items are cheaper, and besides, Colossal's still cost well over 100k so that is hardly cheap in the eyes of an average player. People are forgetting about the exclusive items that drop in the HoH, or the rare items that Mallyx drops, so there is still loads of rare items to try and obtain. This reply is to you, and everyone else who criticised my comment. I agree some weapons should be truly rare, but why resign the average player to only having common weapons, and saving the best for the richest? Not everyone wants to farm.
I Is Special
"Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping."
I, being a person that only plays 3 hours a week, believe that i should be able to buy the same uber rare weapons as a person who plays 5 hours a day farming ectos non-stop because I dont think i should have to work for anything I want. I dont want to grind.
Oh well, I guess ill go back to my job of selling oranges, where i get paid the same salary as a Brain Surgon. Yay "equality".
/endsarcasm
(imho)
I, being a person that only plays 3 hours a week, believe that i should be able to buy the same uber rare weapons as a person who plays 5 hours a day farming ectos non-stop because I dont think i should have to work for anything I want. I dont want to grind.
Oh well, I guess ill go back to my job of selling oranges, where i get paid the same salary as a Brain Surgon. Yay "equality".
/endsarcasm
(imho)
emmlar
I not sure Colossals cost over 100k anymore, add Tattooed and Ornates to the list too. A few hours in Kamadan, LA and K'nang tonight and I couldn't shift a 15^50 r9 tattooed (admittadly purple) for love nore money - and I was only asking 55k in the hope of a very quick sale. Finally swapped it for 15k and an Urgoz Flatbow (which I was after anyway, so save another hassel buying one) and there were MANY MANY MANY other people trying to shift them too. People might be asking 100 + 15 ectos, but from what I saw tonight it doesn't look like they are selling them. I'm not that bothered, as I was vanquishing the area anyway, more annoyed about the hours it took to sell it as I find trading more and more tedious these days and I try to avoid it when possible.