Colossal Scimitar...same fate as Dead Sword? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Venice Queen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

Washington, DC

A Most Excellent Guild [DUDE]

Mo/Me

01 May 2007 at 01:57 - 121

Quote:

Originally Posted by I Is Special

I, being a person that only plays 3 hours a week, believe that i should be able to buy the same uber rare weapons as a person who plays 5 hours a day farming ectos non-stop because I dont think i should have to work for anything I want. I dont want to grind.

Oh well, I guess ill go back to my job of selling oranges, where i get paid the same salary as a Brain Surgon. Yay "equality".

/endsarcasm

So you're saying people who pay a large amount of actual money to buy a game and an internet connection who only play casually shouldnt be able to access the same extent of it's features as someone sitting at the computer all day staring at the screen? Guild Wars was made for the casual player (henchmen so you can play an online game solo if you want), don't turn on the people you market your game to Anet; allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months.

big papi

Town Dweller

Join Date: Dec 2005

on the LOST island

[SMS]

01 May 2007 at 02:00 - 122

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Originally Posted by byteme!

If that really happens I'd demand a refund on the game. I bought Guild Wars not Clone Wars.

it already is clone wars imo

Squalus the Ipno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Italy

Italian Dreams

Me/Mo

01 May 2007 at 02:00 - 123

ele monk works nice, got just now an ornate scimitar.....req 11

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

01 May 2007 at 02:19 - 124

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venice Queen

So you're saying people who pay a large amount of actual money to buy a game and an internet connection who only play casually shouldnt be able to access the same extent of it's features as someone sitting at the computer all day staring at the screen? Guild Wars was made for the casual player (henchmen so you can play an online game solo if you want), don't turn on the people you market your game to Anet; allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months.

The point is that these weapons offer nothing more than vanity. Yes, this game is designed for the casual player but that doesn't mean that there aren't people that play a few hours a day.

Quote:

allow rare skins to be aqquired easier than farming every day for 6 months

I don't know why this concept is so hard to grasp: THOSE SKINS WON'T BE RARE ANYMORE!

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

01 May 2007 at 02:25 - 125

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon

Unfortunately the two don't add up.

The reason all games should have rare weapons, armours, etc is so people have something to work (grind) for, keeping interest in the game for longer.

Xitoahc

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

NYC

Kingdom of the Sixth Aspect [KSA]

R/

01 May 2007 at 02:34 - 126

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

I'm personally sick to death of hearing people talk about how hard they've worked. This is a game, it's entertainment. It's not supporting your family, it isn't improving your future - make as much virtual money as you like, but you're being no more productive than if you spent your time alphabetizing a porn collection.

QFT. I usually don't do much posting on these forums, mostly look around and see what's happening in the community, but all of the drama leads back to this. I for one am very happy with the amount of nice skins dropping now in Hard Mode, my guildie who sought after this skin for months since Nightfall release finally got a req.9 one yesterday. If this are the kind of changes to come with the implementation of Hard Mode and its drop system, then by all means, keep it coming!

lucifer_uk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

Nottingham, England

The Venerable Truth [TvT] The Venerable Alliance [TvH] [TvL]

R/

01 May 2007 at 02:41 - 127

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xitoahc

my guildie who sought after this skin for months since Nightfall release finally got a req.9 one yesterday.

Looking at it the other side:
Now that he or she has got a weapon that would usually require more time and possibly effort to gain, do they feel the same kinda rush they would have felt before at getting a rare rare weapon to drop and also what will they do after all the rare weapons they could hope to get are dropped for them a bit easier in HM and they have nothing left to work for?

Correct Jeans

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

^MY CAT DID THAT ONCE!

Free Willzyx [MASA]

E/Me

01 May 2007 at 02:51 - 128

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Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

heh its myfault too lol...... though i doubt anyone would have posted it if I didnt make that thread.... or tell everyone to farm hard mode corsairs b4 Hm was released

but you try to be nice and let normal gamers get glamor items....... and this is what happens X_X

but dead swords are ass ugly..

And I'm with lyra! Ornate Scimitars FTW!!!

so true. I originally posted the spot in my thread on a corsair build and after that spammed it on Shadow's thread FTW.

Here's how I get rare skinned items without months of farming. I just play the game and have fun. In fact its even more fun when u play the game (including the missions) solo. And eventually a rare skinned item will pop up and you will get the same elated feeling without the 3 months of torture. Boring urself with farming is not what games are for people. games are for FUN.

VanDamselx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Buffalo, NY

[TTBH]

01 May 2007 at 03:09 - 129

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Originally Posted by Correct Jeans

so true. I originally posted the spot in my thread on a corsair build and after that spammed it on Shadow's thread FTW.

Here's how I get rare skinned items without months of farming. I just play the game and have fun. In fact its even more fun when u play the game (including the missions) solo. And eventually a rare skinned item will pop up and you will get the same elated feeling without the 3 months of torture. Boring urself with farming is not what games are for people. games are for FUN.

I can totally see where you're coming from. Some people just hate the idea of farming and grind. But there are some of us that actually find it fun

atomskstrife

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

LaZy

N/Mo

01 May 2007 at 06:19 - 130

Alot of you are posting that people should be equal in terms of items and equipment...

Isn't that how communism started?

I really didn't think there was anything wrong with the Economy. If there was something I wanted, I either got it my self, or I took different avenues of approach to acquire the money needed for said object.

Besides, why not reward the crazy hardcore players with niffy expensive stuff that they worked for?

Longasc

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

01 May 2007 at 10:05 - 131

Just relax. GW:EN will offer new skins. They might add some new skins to the game even before. Some will be rare and for sure sell for incredible prices early on.

I agree that there should be some more rare skins for those people who really need a physical evidence of their time spent farming or having been really lucky. Without being too negative, many people still live in the "age of items and levels", despite playing Guild Wars.

I am all in favor of many skins available for everyone. There will always be some ultra rare vanity weapons one can go for, and this is good. But do not cry and wonder when one year later they are so done that not even the merchant wants to buy them.

GW should offer even more customization options. Adding some extras to your weapons and armors, just to make them look a bit more unique. A better dye system.

Ah, to put it bluntly: Add many more skins, tons of skins - so that people can create the char's appearance and equipment how they want it and impress peoples with their creativity and ideas. Not so much by dying even the bags of their inventory and everything else black.

Benster

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Order of the Twilight Mist

R/

01 May 2007 at 12:39 - 132

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Actually if prices drop too much, everything could become worthless which would also have a negative impact on the economy, hurting poor players even more. Eventually a key will be worth more than the loot to drop from the chests, which will further kill the game.

There are other ways to make money in the game that don't require selling to other players. And if prices drop then you won't need the 50k from a single sale to buy something else from somebody else. Dropping prices doesn't mean you won't be able to buy things like chest keys... It just means you will be able to buy different skins without needing 100k+ectos. The fixed in game economy from merchants and NPCs won't change in relation to your ability to make money in the surrounding world, and Hard Mode increases the degree to which you profit doing that. In 2 nights I made over 30k just playing hard mode.... doesn't sound like much if prices are still really high, but once they drop, 30k is respectable.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

01 May 2007 at 12:48 - 133

Yea it botherd me when dead swords dies, like this a player can EAISILY get anything he wants...

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Originally Posted by big papi

it already is clone wars imo

Primevil warrior armor

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

01 May 2007 at 12:49 - 134

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benster

There are other ways to make money in the game that don't require selling to other players. And if prices drop then you won't need the 50k from a single sale to buy something else from somebody else. Dropping prices doesn't mean you won't be able to buy things like chest keys... It just means you will be able to buy different skins without needing 100k+ectos. The fixed in game economy from merchants and NPCs won't change in relation to your ability to make money in the surrounding world, and Hard Mode increases the degree to which you profit doing that. In 2 nights I made over 30k just playing hard mode.... doesn't sound like much if prices are still really high, but once they drop, 30k is respectable.

Weapons will get cheaper.... sure.

Armour won't.
15k Armour still has a base price of 75k overall, not counting the cost of materials. There are no fixed farming points for Runes... nor even dyes.... so those prices will perpetually remain high. Same goes for insignias now for Nightfall armour (though I usually avoid that if I can, especially if I want +energy armour).

And kitting out the extra few folks for my Guild Hall is still going to cost an absolute bomb.... since almost all the ones left over are 100k each....

It isn't pretty.

With the value of gold going up against gear... npc-sold items stay at the same price and slip gradually out of reach.... And to think that is all I ever wanted to buy anyway.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

01 May 2007 at 12:58 - 135

Lol how naive the people are who want rare items for cheap.

They're not RARE for nothing. If everyone and their mother can get a weapon without having to do anything for it, the rarity will drop, and so will the interest in the weapon, and that makes another weapon tossed aside.

Sure, some might like it for the skin, but I think that 99% would rather want a Colossal Scimitar for the rarity, or for some sort of collection.

Oh, and casual players don't have time to look at their weapon's skin. They got enough quests and missions to do in the little time they got per day, I don't think they would be bothered with special skins.

Today's community is spoiled, what's next, a 'Beat the game' button? Sure, you got the weapon, or beat the game, but you lost the pride. After all, what's the use of gold/purple/blue items at all, if everyone and their mother can get what they want with just a push on the button?

By the way, where are the people telling that farmers RAISE the prices, now? ;D

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

01 May 2007 at 13:16 - 136

I guess the concept of supply and demand is lost on some people.

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

E/Me

01 May 2007 at 13:44 - 137

No the concept isn't lost, it's just that there is too much elitism. I'm willing to bet 90% of the people who have moaned about this price drop are those who:

1. are ridiculously rich and have lots of nice things

2. spent hundred of thousands on a Colossal Scimitar a while ago

Nobody knew for sure that this was going to happen so look at it from another point of view. When you bought your Colossal say, six months ago, you never knew it would drop really low, so in your mind it was a good deal. It's not like all the skins are cheaper now, just one or two. If anyone bothered to read my previous post, they would notice I stated that some skins should stay very rare, but not all. We do need rare skins for people to work hard for, but that needs to be the factor for obtaining them, not the amount of gold one has in their storage.

Dronte

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 May 2007 at 14:03 - 138

I like it, I dont care about "rarity" of weapons(just a bit

), I just need them coz they look cool ^^

I think some ppl dont like the idea that they cant say anymore:
-check my weapon i'm not noob f**k you!!

lol
I've sold all of my rare weps at about the release of HM

Saphatorael

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

01 May 2007 at 14:14 - 139

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

I guess the concept of supply and demand is lost on some people.

Veblen-effect: people wanting more expensive stuff so they can brag, because.. it's expensive and not everyone can get it.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

01 May 2007 at 14:19 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saphatorael

Veblen-effect: people wanting more expensive stuff so they can brag, because.. it's expensive and not everyone can get it.

Indeed. Reverse this and you get what Guild Wars is heading to.

Everyone can get it-->becomes cheap--> nobody wants stuff--> No more use for gold/purple/blue rarities - everything is simple to get anyway, people playing 5 hours a day don't get ANYTHING more than someone playing 5 hours per week.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

01 May 2007 at 14:19 - 141

Quote:

Originally Posted by Longasc

Ah, to put it bluntly: Add many more skins, tons of skins - so that people can create the char's appearance and equipment how they want it and impress peoples with their creativity and ideas. Not so much by dying even the bags of their inventory and everything else black.

Even better: let players themselves create their items (in terms of looks)!

For example, Need for Speed: Carbon (besides being car racing game ... ewww) had wonderfull system of car customization.

Something like that could be introduced to CRPGs as "Sword Sculpt (tm)"

Imagine that when crystaline sword drops for you, you will see "new material unlocked: Crystaline. new look unlocked: Cleaver Sword body" Later on, you would be able to combine stuff (say, you unlocked Jade material, Crystaline sword body look and collosal scimital sword handle, you combine theese together, play a bit with sliders that controll proportion of each part and boom ... you have totally unique look).

Imagine similar thing happening for all items ...

Absinth187

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2005

32??45′26.49″N, 97??19′59.45″W

Some Like It Hot [sake]

01 May 2007 at 15:31 - 142

Just a guess, but I think some of the people want access to rare skins (without grinding) because they like the skin. Not because it's rare.

Jongo River

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

01 May 2007 at 15:35 - 143

Quote:

Originally Posted by reetkever

Everyone can get it-->becomes cheap--> nobody wants stuff--> No more use for gold/purple/blue rarities - everything is simple to get anyway, people playing 5 hours a day don't get ANYTHING more than someone playing 5 hours per week.

--> Obsessives quit hogging the network, causing lag and spamming all day --> Casual players get exciting drops and enjoy the game more --> Better Guild Wars

And really, 5 hrs? Everyday? You know that's not healthy, right?

Correct Jeans

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2007

^MY CAT DID THAT ONCE!

Free Willzyx [MASA]

E/Me

01 May 2007 at 15:49 - 144

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

And really, 5 hrs? Everyday? You know that's not healthy, right?

ya i kno. I even made a system where I write down my times and dont exeed 2 hours and 30 minutes a day. In fact in order for me to go to the party on saturday im gonna make myself save up time. Pathetic eh?

Nemo the Capitalist

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Trust me you dont want to know my Chasms of Despair

Zaishen Brotherhood

N/Me

01 May 2007 at 16:26 - 145

10 hrs a day is plenty healthy!

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

01 May 2007 at 16:39 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

Everyone deserves to have a rare skinned weapon if they want one. A player with lots of cash is no better than someone with only a little, so why reward only the rich? Not everyone has the time or ability to farm Ecto or golds to afford such exotic items, so it's nice to see prices dropping.

Couldn´t agree more ,100% aprove with what u say thing is i can aford a colosal scimitar , what i cant understand is why people farm zehlon reach i farm barbarous shore in 3 man hard mode cleared out al the corsair and the 5 boses yet,did i mentioned that i didnt even get a gold in about 5 runs

legacyofkain85

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Lady Ainowa

01 May 2007 at 16:43 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

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And really, 5 hrs? Everyday? You know that's not healthy, right?

Have u ever played a game for 24 straight hours when u do than u can say that is not healthy imo playing games is not healthy but everyone has his pleasures u know.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 May 2007 at 17:08 - 148

Quote:

Originally Posted by legacyofkain85

Couldn´t agree more ,100% aprove with what u say thing is i can aford a colosal scimitar , what i cant understand is why people farm zehlon reach i farm barbarous shore in 3 man hard mode cleared out al the corsair and the 5 boses yet,did i mentioned that i didnt even get a gold in about 5 runs

Better hold onto any CS you find (that goes for everybody else). Anet has heard the panic wave from the super rich. They've activated the big red loot stop button.

If they don't fix the mess they've made with HM drops, expect a nice dry spell.

Buy your cheap Colossals while you can. lol

Wildi

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

PvE is the Metagame

01 May 2007 at 17:12 - 149

gw needs more useful weapon mods instead of another 99999 new skins

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

01 May 2007 at 17:50 - 150

GW needs some sharks with lazer attachment on their head!!!

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

E/Me

01 May 2007 at 17:54 - 151

Well I am glad that I finally own a Colossal, having wanted one for a long time. I bought a req 11 gold one for 100k, which came with a 15^50 inscription and +29 health pommel.

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

01 May 2007 at 18:14 - 152

I should have waited till yesterday to purchase my colossal cuz I brought mine req 12 for 100K + 5 ectos few days ago.

reetkever

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Mo/E

01 May 2007 at 19:06 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

--> Obsessives quit hogging the network, causing lag and spamming all day --> Casual players get exciting drops and enjoy the game more --> Better Guild Wars

And really, 5 hrs? Everyday? You know that's not healthy, right?

I never said that I played 5 hours a day (heck I only come online 1 minute, and if nobody is online who I can talk with, I log out again)

But there ARE people who play 5 hours a day, and more. It's not healthy, but who are you to tell them what to do? Also, the game is not MADE for casual players. If people want to play more than 5 hours per week, let them.

However, what Anet is doing now is actually discouraging people to play the game often. They don't seem to know what they want. They install these time messages to warn you to take a break, they make everything accessible with 1 click on the button, but at the same time, they still make certain things cost way too much, and Urgoz/Deep still takes about 6 hours to complete with a newbie team.

A-net, please make up your mind with how you want us to play, and which people you encourage. At this rate, neither casual nor hardcore gamers will be happy, and the two will try to eat eachother alive.

byteme!

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

On Earth

W/P

02 May 2007 at 00:36 - 154

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Originally Posted by reetkever

A-net, please make up your mind with how you want us to play, and which people you encourage. At this rate, neither casual nor hardcore gamers will be happy, and the two will try to eat eachother alive.

I enjoy the changes and HM. I'm greatful Anet is giving us regularly updates, nerfs, buffs, weekly events among other things. I can't think of another Mmorpg that has done anything similar and in such quantity. Anet can't please everyone but since they know their game better then most of us ever will they've made decisions based on what the majority want. I bet they have tons of data and all that good stuff somewhere.

T N Player

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

The Bay Area

W/

02 May 2007 at 01:48 - 155

a-net might have wanted it after all. u see, the max gold u can trade anbd carry is 100k, maybe that was meant to be a big deal to get 100k, but ppl use ecto. now that ecto prices are lower, everything has to be lower. items that dont need 100k+ecto will fall just because ecto are worth so much less.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

02 May 2007 at 02:01 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absinth187

Just a guess, but I think some of the people want access to rare skins (without grinding) because they like the skin. Not because it's rare.

I think finally someone understands.

Atleast I couldnt give a rat's ass how rare weapons are.... I get them for their looks.

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

02 May 2007 at 02:29 - 157

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadowsRequiem

I think finally someone understands.

Atleast I couldnt give a rat's ass how rare weapons are.... I get them for their looks.

It's a shame that everything that looks good is so darned rare and expensive.

VitisVinifera

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Northern California

HoTR

N/Me

02 May 2007 at 02:51 - 158

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebaall

Better hold onto any CS you find (that goes for everybody else). Anet has heard the panic wave from the super rich. They've activated the big red loot stop button.

If they don't fix the mess they've made with HM drops, expect a nice dry spell.

Buy your cheap Colossals while you can. lol

Trying to sell off a few Col Scims and not liking the price plunge eh?

Personally, I gotta count my blessings........I sold off a r11 for 100 + 70 a few weeks ago. I'd still take what I could get........if I got another, and be happy for whatever that is.

Firebaall

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

02 May 2007 at 03:49 - 159

^

Durrrr....

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10151586

SotiCoto

Banned

Join Date: Jan 2007

Drazach Thicket

Temple of Zhen Xianren [Sifu]

02 May 2007 at 13:36 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jongo River

--> Obsessives quit hogging the network, causing lag and spamming all day --> Casual players get exciting drops and enjoy the game more --> Better Guild Wars

And really, 5 hrs? Everyday? You know that's not healthy, right?

Want me to post the randomly amused screencap I took the other day in Talmark Wilderness telling me I had been playing for 13 hours? I can do it as soon as I get home, if you like.

But then that isn't anything unusual.
Most I have ever gamed for non-stop was 3 days.

And you complain about 5 hours being unhealthy.
5 hours isn't enough, IMHO.