27 Jul 2007 at 16:37 - 202
I'm going to reaffirm my argument that Paragons are the way to go.
I did one run this morning (3:47 ago)
Using the team build I listed previously, we were able to cut through the waves in 1:39, and we engaged Mallyx at maybe 1:47, after some deliberation and preparation.
We got him down to 60%something percent. I'm at work now, but I'm going to do another run after. After that run I'll put up screenies of the party set up, as well as Mallyx's health.
We haven't killed him, but we're surviving to an extent, and dealing out some damage.
No hexes, no enchantments, just some straight out para-lovin.
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If Consume Torment is listed correctly on Wiki, it has a 7 second recharge, so there's no problem there
He is an absurdly overpowered boss...treat CT as if it had 1 second recharge....
27 Jul 2007 at 17:09 - 203
Great Progress Snow Bunny. I have some questions if you don't mind
Why did you wipe at 60%?
How important is the rank 9 Kurzick
Did Mallyx spam summoning shadows faster than the stated recharge time?
Did you just let it disable skills when using the bonded Air spikers or did you use another counter?
27 Jul 2007 at 18:05 - 204
We wiped at 60% because of energy demand...and general exhaustion against fighting against Mallyx. I don't mean to sound ridiculous, but especially for the LoD and the Paragons, it generally takes pretty good concentration to be efficient with this setup. 
When I say a bonder, I mispoke. I meant an Angelic Bonder. There are absolutely no enchantments in this build, except for a couple used by the prot monk to actually get to Mallyx, but we didn't use any once we got there. Coupled with "TNTF" and "SY", AB damage to the Para isn't really that bad. It just needs to be kept up on squishies.
In terms of the Kurzick rank...you need at least a rank 7 (Defender). This gives you 4 seconds of SY! If you can get lucky, which we are, I suppose, get yourself a Hero or Savior for 5 seconds (11,12) It sounds like not much, but the extra second goes a long way with adrenaline management on the para. Save yourselves needs to constantly be on party members (in essence, it's fulfilling a bonder role)
In terms of summoning shadows, I cannot stress the value of "Fall Back!" It's essentially a non-elite LoD. He spams it constantly. One of the spikers jokingly asked if a Flare spam spike was in order.
We've also got to figure out a more energy efficient air-spiker against Mallyx. Non attunements make spiking rough, and throws Invoke out of the question. And because air has 25% penetration, it's the best bet. Someone suggested blood spike...but I don't know about that.
27 Jul 2007 at 20:28 - 205
Wondering if you are holding mallyx in one spot, if you are i'd suggest signet of sorrow and have someone bring pet to have die next to mallyx. Signet is great armor ignoring damage that has no energy and no recharge if u have something dead next to the monkey. of course if he's moving around, this is useless
27 Jul 2007 at 21:06 - 206
Great work Snow Bunny... Loot was keeping me up-to-date with your progress.
With regards to the German forum post. It's complete bulloney. Anyone who has actually tried fighting him over the past week will tell you that there is absolutely no way the party would survive in there with just an LoD monk and not much else in terms of defense. That build has a bonder, which does not work with Mallyx (odd that they would go in assuming Banish Enchantment does not work) and Banish Enchantment is used every time it is available, he's automatic with it. The build has no answer for Summoning Shadows. They don't even have a way to kill the spirits inside. The spirits are level 10 but have a LOT of hitpoints.
Finally, I find it hard that a party killed Mallyx and failed to take ONE screenshot (EIGHT people) and yet remembered to take 50 screenshots of their build.
27 Jul 2007 at 21:08 - 207
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Great info thanks.
One thing that does concern me, and this is no critism of you or the build at all but the requirements to be successful. If this is the way to go are just so far out it only goes to show how broken Mallyx is.
Not only do you need 3 paragons, but each of them needs to grind at least 1.8m (7.5 million to have a safety net) faction in order to operate. In addition they need to use skills that are outside of the Nightfall game(arent they supposed to stand alone?). Although a Sig of illusion mesmer should be able to dish out the Kurzick skill at maximum power. Actually a mesmer could also dish out armor ignoring damage also - hmm
We've seen that specialist builds are required for some areas(dumb idea in itself), but if this is the basis of the only build that can kill Mallyx now it's not elite, just more than lame, just downright retarded.
28 Jul 2007 at 00:18 - 208
channeling might work on a rit, instead of a air ele, the energy management is better i think, damage is worse tho
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Essence_Strike would be your energy management
i havent really done anything in doa, but id like too
if itsthe standard tank and nuker setup as normal, spirit rift and ancestors rage should be pretty hax
28 Jul 2007 at 00:28 - 209
There is an easy way to kill mallyx
make his skills avaible to all players and PvP'ers will b!tch till they get nerfed(jk)
but on topic mallyx is NOT impossible just really F*&^%#$ hard.
But if anet really wants people to stop complaining they must do 1 of two things
1. nerf his skills and the fight to get to him
2. make his greens better...why chain reaction
better weapons--->more people doa--->more people try builds and fight him---->eventually he becomes like doing orgoz(medium but doable in a short time----->then his greens go down in price and no one tries it anymore as they r playing gwen--->i eat some pie
28 Jul 2007 at 00:57 - 210
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In terms of the Kurzick rank...you need at least a rank 7 (Defender).
If your build actually works, then you will be reigniting the complaints about the grind required for the allegiance titles because you would of found an area in PvE where having a high rank in that title is required. But this isn't something we should worry about until we have a working build.
28 Jul 2007 at 03:30 - 211
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I'd much rather we work together than against each other. i.e. If your diversion seemed to work can you please tell us which skill you diverted and how long it seemed to have diverted the skill?
It maybe possible to reconcile these findings. I'd much rather not stay at "well, our diversion worked, yours did not, an anomaly." I believe there is a rationale explanation for these things.
So, which skill did you divert and how long was it diverted? Give us your research, not just the conclusion.
I already detailed ours, we diverted Consume torment and he was able to use it 5-7 seconds later to remove blind.
oups sry i forget to mention that we diverted consume torment. our mesmer started with diversion and mallyx used CT, she hexed him quite a few times times and he didnt use CT, so i guess it was diverted after all. however i saw that Shan's diversion didnt work on CT when we tryed it few days ago, i think Shan's right and mallyx's currently bugged. i also noticed that when our alliance team tryed to do citadel last time all his skills (not spells for some reason, just attack skills and teleport skills) were recharging exactly 3 times faster than they were supposed to according to wiki - i checked all mallyx spells/skills right be4 we started citadel. i believe it confirms Shan's suggestion. but it seems that diversion works in 75% cases so mb its not that useless, not sure tho
28 Jul 2007 at 03:39 - 212
maybe its the reduced hex duration?, diversion is a fixed 6 seconds, which with reduced hex duration is either 3 seconds or maybe 2 seconds... very small window of oppertunity :\/
28 Jul 2007 at 04:00 - 213
Just used it again. Diversion was certainly applied, 1/4 sec later he used CT, I then cast empathy as a test, 3 seconds later he used CT. After multiple attempts I think we can disregard diversion as a valid tactic.
We got him down to about 70-75% using spirits, but eventually he wore us down with constant summoning shadows and 400 dmg spammed faster than stated attacks
28 Jul 2007 at 17:54 - 214
i just looked on wiki, and some skills are listed as attacks, so would http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Clumsiness work?, theres also signet of clumsyness..
29 Jul 2007 at 14:28 - 215
Is it an in-house joke you think making him so hard that he is near imposs :P
29 Jul 2007 at 15:52 - 216
How much time does he waste using consume tormet if you spam hexes on him? If you can lock him into spamming the crap out of it, maybe you could throw wastrel's worry on him over and over, as it would be removed before he would be healed from it.
Clumsiness would interrupt his attacks, but you'd have to have super ninja-timing since he attacks really fast. What's worse, if you miss the interrupt, he CTs it off.
Next idea - chain wailing weapon/warmonger's weapon on him to keep him constantly interrupted
29 Jul 2007 at 16:06 - 217
I do recall that once upon a time after Resident Evil came out the game makers recieved a video of somebody beating the game using nothing more than the knife. In RE2 they added a bonus mode called Tofu, where you have to complete a mission as a giant block of Tofu using nothing but a knife...
Mallyx strikes me as this giant block of Tofu, the dev team's way of mocking people that kept complaining that PvE was too easy.
I can remeber the day the DoA was released I mapped into district 14 and was in a party instantly. The party was wiped in under 10 seconds in each of the four zones and split up. For a week I kept joining pugs only to be destroyed and was mocked on the forums when I said the difficutly lvl was not appropriate for a zone with no rez shrines.
Now the 'cookie cutter' builds are being run by a handfull of people that still find it entertaining to go there, and the reduction in the difficulty with a recent update has improved things.
However this just does not compare to any other zone in any other campain in that I can put together a team of Wars/Monks/Casters/Rangers/..ect and do just about any map/mission/elite zone with some flexibility on the skills that each person brings.
Having a zone and a Boss that can only be defeated with the use of 8 out of 150+ skills that are availible to each char is neither FUN or BALANCED!
Good luck on killing Mallyx, but whatever build you find that works, I can't see it being any fun to simply copy your build and moves exactly as if I was simply watching a movie of what you had already accomplished.
29 Jul 2007 at 16:11 - 218
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
I do recall that once upon a time after Resident Evil came out the game makers recieved a video of somebody beating the game using nothing more than the knife. In RE2 they added a bonus mode called Tofu, where you have to complete a mission as a giant block of Tofu using nothing but a knife...
Mallyx strikes me as this giant block of Tofu, the dev team's way of mocking people that kept complaining that PvE was too easy.
I can remeber the day the DoA was released I mapped into district 14 and was in a party instantly. The party was wiped in under 10 seconds in each of the four zones and split up. For a week I kept joining pugs only to be destroyed and was mocked on the forums when I said the difficutly lvl was not appropriate for a zone with no rez shrines.
Now the 'cookie cutter' builds are being run by a handfull of people that still find it entertaining to go there, and the reduction in the difficulty with a recent update has improved things.
However this just does not compare to any other zone in any other campain in that I can put together a team of Wars/Monks/Casters/Rangers/..ect and do just about any map/mission/elite zone with some flexibility on the skills that each person brings.
Having a zone and a Boss that can only be defeated with the use of 8 out of 150+ skills that are availible to each char is neither FUN or BALANCED!
Good luck on killing Mallyx, but whatever build you find that works, I can't see it being any fun to simply copy your build and moves exactly as if I was simply watching a movie of what you had already accomplished.
That is a great way to sum it up! Maybe his name should be changed to Mallyx the Tofu! I did have a look on youtube to see what Mallyx looked like in action only to find every vid being the getting him stuck exploit
29 Jul 2007 at 16:17 - 219
What I wonder is whether Mallyx has a truly enormous energy pool, or just massive regen. If he has a pool that makes eles cry, stack on the energy drain (SV and AV covered with SB/OF/SF, Quicksand, Spirit Shackles, Famine for fun) and then give him a nice old Aneurysm.
31 Jul 2007 at 00:57 - 220
theres a few problem with that idea alien,
if im not mistaken, he is considered a boss, so hex/condition duartion etc is halved,
and he removes enchants like theres no tommorow, SB/OF/SF wont work as banish enchanment is a skill, not a spell or attack....
though it would be exceptionally powerful if it worked imo,
death by Aneurysm, lol
31 Jul 2007 at 03:38 - 221
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and he removes enchants like theres no tommorow, SB/OF/SF wont work as banish enchanment is a skill, not a spell or attack....l
Actually , SB and OF work against him , Banish Enchantment is a spell , not a skill .
Trouble is , once he figures out he can't banish your enchantment , he will just hit you for +500 dmg 
The last time we were in there , he hit me for 450 (200+250) then killed me with his monkey breath. I was rezzed and he came over and hit me again for 545 (200+345)
So , gg Anet , make a boss that is uber powered and 80% of the skills in the game don't work on him , gg indeed .
And they wonder why players look for glitches in the game 
31 Jul 2007 at 09:19 - 222
Banish Enchantment is a skill? My bad, wiki has it as a spell so I assumed it was correct. And none of those are hexes except for Spirit Shackles, which with a recharge of 5 seconds could easily be reapplied to completely drain Mallyx of energy. The amusing part is that if you could actually take him to 0, he would no longer be able to use Banish Enchantment (theoretically, but Mallyx cheats on other things already), nor would he be able to use Summoning Shadows or Unyielding Anguish.
31 Jul 2007 at 09:23 - 223
Sprit Shackles would not stay on long enough, consume torment would remove it and heal for 300.
Still no fix...
31 Jul 2007 at 12:39 - 224
Couldn't you just daze him, and start disrupting?
31 Jul 2007 at 12:51 - 225
Conusme torment removes conditions and heals for 300.
Please refer back to http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=177 as to what can and cant be done
31 Jul 2007 at 14:54 - 226
i havent fought mallyx yet...
but jus a few questions
how much does mallyx use banish enchantment and consume torment?
like is it fast nuff to kill an rof?
or if hes attackin someone, and teh monk rof's will he be fast nuff to catch it, stop attackin to trigger rof, and banish it?
im sure rof will definatelly help vs those 200+dmg attacks if mallyx isnt fast nuff to catch it
but if he does catch enchantments really fast....
couldnt u jus sit there,
spam divine boon and quickly remove it,
to sort of get mallyx to banish it, but u remove it faster than banish casts?
i.e. if a monk spammed: divine boon -> double-click remove -> mallyx tries to banish -> divine boon -> double-click remove -> mallyx tries to banish....will mallyx keep tryin to cast banish enchantment?
i suppose thats also glitching in a way...but
or have a mesmer time a coordinated guilt+[enchantment of ur choice] to try to get him to banish, only to have it fail?
and for consume torment, does he cast it nuff to catch a wastrel's worry? (1.5s duration hex)
31 Jul 2007 at 15:00 - 227
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Originally Posted by Sal
So , gg Anet , make a boss that is uber powered and 80% of the skills in the game don't work on him , gg indeed .
And they wonder why players look for glitches in the game
skills *work* on him, but he has a counter for all of them. gah!
glitches ftw?
31 Jul 2007 at 16:25 - 228
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i havent fought mallyx yet...
but jus a few questions
how much does mallyx use banish enchantment and consume torment?
like is it fast nuff to kill an rof?
or if hes attackin someone, and teh monk rof's will he be fast nuff to catch it, stop attackin to trigger rof, and banish it?
im sure rof will definatelly help vs those 200+dmg attacks if mallyx isnt fast nuff to catch it
but if he does catch enchantments really fast....
couldnt u jus sit there,
spam divine boon and quickly remove it,
to sort of get mallyx to banish it, but u remove it faster than banish casts?
i.e. if a monk spammed: divine boon -> double-click remove -> mallyx tries to banish -> divine boon -> double-click remove -> mallyx tries to banish....will mallyx keep tryin to cast banish enchantment?
i suppose thats also glitching in a way...but
or have a mesmer time a coordinated guilt+[enchantment of ur choice] to try to get him to banish, only to have it fail?
and for consume torment, does he cast it nuff to catch a wastrel's worry? (1.5s duration hex)
A quick suggestion. If you're going to contribute, I'd suggest not using slang, it just makes it harder to read.
Mallyx uses BE and CT like cars use oil. He will use those skills, as well as summoning shadows, at every given opportunity.
RoF? If you can successfully spam RoF across 8 members within 3 seconds, more power to you. He can probably strip it before triggering it.
Banish is a skill, like a signet. If he cancels it, he'll just spam it again. And if the player isn't quick enough to cancel it, it's 1 skill disabled on every party member. Enchantments, in any way, shape, or form, are a BAD idea. Unless you have a reliable way to prevent him from BEing or CTing, don't suggest enchantments.
Hexes are nice....except he removes them and heals himself for ungodly amounts.
i was fairly sick this weekend, so i couldn't do too many Mallyx runs. I tried our Incoming chain again, got to 60%, got fed up, decided to do spiritway. We didn't get too far though because I suspect our build wasn't that good. Went to sleep. I did email ANet about Mallyx though....awaiting a reply
31 Jul 2007 at 16:26 - 229
Anybody checked if Shield Bash is able to diable his Wild Smash (skill name suggest that this is melee attack but wiki reports it as attack only)? And what about fighting adjacent to him (that should make you adjacent to each other also) utilizing multiple Protector's Defense (stack it with ward against melee and displacement to lower his dmg output, utilize dead body/pet for well of power)
31 Jul 2007 at 19:44 - 230
I've been thinking about this diversion problem.
If I'm reading the encounter correctly, it seems that diversion sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. That would be surprisingly weird. But what if we're just not looking at it right?
Several skills Mallyx uses have very very short activation times. What if Mallyx used a one skill, got it diverted, and was already using another? That could create the impression that skill X was diverted while in reality, skill Y was diverted?
Just a thought.
31 Jul 2007 at 19:48 - 231
No, I watched him, I cast diversion, within one second he had used CT to remove it and thus should have triggered it. My very next spell was empathy, which he then used CT some 5 seconds later to remove. If CT had been diverted then he would not have been able to use it for at least 30 seconds.
31 Jul 2007 at 22:09 - 232
so do we still try to interrupt him? Practiced Stance + chocking gaz?
edit: dammit only works on spells
31 Jul 2007 at 22:16 - 233
Interrupts are basically out of the question.
Like Shan has been stressing for some time now, he's bugged.
Look, a. he's a boss, b. his skills activate quickly anyway.
At this point, you can't use finesse to take down Mallyx; he's too unpredictable and overall powerful to take down.
I think you just have to go head to head with him...with whatever works. Hopefully...EotN gives us something nice to do this with.
31 Jul 2007 at 22:58 - 234
Well, so I'm getting there pretty much has to be a TNTF paragon with save yourselves... maybe a pair of them.
How would wells function against him if, say you brought some squishy pets or people to die? Well of darkness might work nicely for mitigating at least some of the damage. If he's in a well of suffering would he try to CT the pink degen off? Would that do anything?
Obviously blocking with stances is a bad idea, but how do the ripostes work? Deadly is probably a bad idea for the bleeding, but normal riposte or auspicious parry might do something.
Next super genius idea- does he have AoE scatter AI? If so, you might be able to keep him constantly scattering with something like dragon's breath/firestorm etc.
31 Jul 2007 at 23:11 - 235
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Sprit Shackles would not stay on long enough, consume torment would remove it and heal for 300.
Still no fix...
Well, it's not like you care about his health while you're trying to get his energy down, and once it hits 0 AV/SV can easily keep it down. Anyways, just a silly little idea I was thinking about, I doubt it would be possible in any case. At this point, I think we just have to hope Mallyx gets fixed from his cheating state.
01 Aug 2007 at 00:39 - 236
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Well, so I'm getting there pretty much has to be a TNTF paragon with save yourselves... maybe a pair of them.
HA!... good luck finding a group as a paragon in DoA, Im LB8 SS10 Kurz 6 and get laughed at (because im a paragon primary) when looking for a group. Just to get to Mallyx you need to beat the 4 area's. Paragon's for the most part are just not wanted in DoA no matter how good your reputation is.
01 Aug 2007 at 01:58 - 237
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HA!... good luck finding a group as a paragon in DoA, Im LB8 SS10 Kurz 6 and get laughed at (because im a paragon primary) when looking for a group. Just to get to Mallyx you need to beat the 4 area's. Paragon's for the most part are just not wanted in DoA no matter how good your reputation is.
The most successful build I have used against Mallyx as of now consists of 3 Paragons. They have instant cast times...you can't really beat that
01 Aug 2007 at 06:31 - 238
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How would wells function against him if, say you brought some squishy pets or people to die? Well of darkness might work nicely for mitigating at least some of the damage. If he's in a well of suffering would he try to CT the pink degen off? Would that do anything?
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Well of Darkness requires him to be hexed for the 50% miss to trigger and I would hope the AI knows that Well of Suffering is not a hex.
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Obviously blocking with stances is a bad idea, but how do the ripostes work? Deadly is probably a bad idea for the bleeding, but normal riposte or auspicious parry might do something.
Only if he focusses on one character; Protector's Defense, provided you're balled, would cover the whole party.
01 Aug 2007 at 20:34 - 239
For wells to work, you need a corpse. Not in short supply but too little too late. Not sure what they could do to benefit the party tho. I thought of Mor'd Chaos storm to make him run about, but there is downtime in beween and therefore plenty of time for him to bash you.
Protectors defense has a 30 second recharge. Any kind of gap in the prot will be deadly. Also it ends if you move which is really hard to do in such situations.
Gaile, I know you've been peeping in this thead =p.. Any news for us?
01 Aug 2007 at 22:05 - 240
Well, since he summons you right to him, why not just have everyone body block him and spam [skill]lava font[/skill]? If he has AoE scatter AI, it should go fairly berserk if everyone clusters around him and body blocks him.
I honestly just noticed the hexed requirement on well of darkness, maybe that's why I never found it to be terribly effective... crap.
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