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ChaoticCoyote

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Florida, USA

Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 12:34 - 561

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Oh man, i wish i was online when such stuff is happening, i missed trader resets (both of them), i missed dual axes, i missed hod sword mass purchases and now i miss this :-/.

Ah... so your only problem is that you didn't have an opportunity to exploit the same way of cheating?

Lummy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 12:35 - 562

after today ill consider selling my account entirely

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

13 Aug 2007 at 12:36 - 563

1. Get 1 armbrace of truth.
2. Dupe it.
3.?????
4. PROFIT!!!!!

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 12:37 - 564

Quote:

Lots of people are selling cheap armbraces. Is it wrong for me to buy one?

Not wrong of course, but risky, because if they are tagged in any way and if Anet scans accounts to see if u have one, then you may (and this is just a guess) be subject to being banned. Just my guess though.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

13 Aug 2007 at 12:47 - 565

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

Not wrong of course, but risky, because if they are tagged in any way and if Anet scans accounts to see if u have one, then you may (and this is just a guess) be subject to being banned. Just my guess though.

Hm, I dont think they can ban you for an above board trade. We dont know who duped what, the seller may be someone who sold an item to a duper and therefore completely innocent of any malfeasance but he's gotten scared because of this story and decided to get rid of his armbraces.

If I buy one of those armbraces I've not violated anything in the EULA nor have I done anything even morally wrong imho.

dpcash

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

FoC

R/E

13 Aug 2007 at 12:48 - 566

Tons of people in Ascalon ID1 spamming "WTB Ambrace 100K"...

Sigh.....

Took me a month of farming back in January-February to get mine. Now people will flame my tormented bow like they flame my FoW armor.

william1975

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Dragons of Torment (DOA)

Me/

13 Aug 2007 at 12:49 - 567

Amazingly long thread. I wouldn't know about this until seeing the thread because i avoid trade at all times.

This is a horrible exploit, hopefully it will be fixed soon.

Would hate a rollback simply because i achieved a lot of stuff in the last week alone, the only benefit would be that my level 1 survivor that died because of the reconnect feature would not be dead, damn I wish this had been found last week then he wouldn't have died on me

To resolve the problem of the massive stacks of arm braces i would simply remove them fromt he game and instead of gettign them or needing them make the gems the requirment or reward.

Obviously this hurts those that farmed them normally, maybe it would be possible to reduce the amount in invetories to a maximum of one stack?

Obviously this would not resolve the issue of duplicating other items.

If i were duplicitous and had utilised this exploit then i would most likely have gone for duplicating common items that had a small trader value, that way there would have been no market fluctuation, or as others have suggested lockpicks that have a stable price. Only and idiot would attempt to duplicate items with high value at traders or rarity in attaining like arm braces. Sure you can make money faster, but its very obvious somethign fishy is going on.

The same would hold true if they duplicated rare mini pets to sell. Everyoen would soon notice the influx of rare pets like Panda's

Gutchi

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 12:52 - 568

So whats next on this ?
Rollback, or not ? Can i farm ecto for gwen issue or what ? xD

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 12:53 - 569

Has this been fixed yet??

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 12:55 - 570

Aren't we all overreacting just a tad here?

A full month's rollback would be an unmitigated disaster. If ANet rolls things back much past Sunday, there are going to be a lot of very, very upset people. Players don't like having their time wasted.

There are a lot of easily implementable solutions for the armbrace problem. Regardless, the price of tormented gear is going to take a hit; some items whose ultimate source was the dupe are going to sneak through whatever measures ANet takes to eliminate them. That's just simple reality, and there's not much to be done about it.

Theoretically, duped high-end weapons should be traceable through the merchant price. If there's a million q9 Runic Blades running around out there, they should be identifiable by the fact that they all have the same price at the merch. This doesn't make me all that happy, as I've taken possession of a large proportion of the stuff over there in the avatar in the last 5 months...but there's little to be done about that. At least I'd still have the pets; I *know* those are legit.

As for other stuff that may have been duped (ectos/diamonds/rubies/dye), we probably should ask ourselves just how big a deal it really is if there are way more of them floating around than was previously thought. Given the fairly stable prices at the traders since April, I for one am not all that concerned about it.

Rapid changes in the amount of stuff on certain accounts should be traceable, as should a ridiculous number of reconnects. I would guess that the perpetrators are going to get what's coming to them.

Finally, there's going to be a whole bunch of brand new gear in about 2 weeks that's never been subject to a dupe.

The game's economy will recover. Panic is not warranted.

Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 12:56 - 571

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

Hm, I dont think they can ban you for an above board trade. We dont know who duped what, the seller may be someone who sold an item to a duper and therefore completely innocent of any malfeasance but he's gotten scared because of this story and decided to get rid of his armbraces.

If I buy one of those armbraces I've not violated anything in the EULA nor have I done anything even morally wrong imho.

i give that a +1 ^^

there are ppl that dont read forums and stuff

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

13 Aug 2007 at 12:59 - 572

This is some scary shit .. im want a go!!! Lol

what ever is happening needs a fix =/

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 12:59 - 573

how come people wandering around with 1750 armbraces wasnt detected by ANet prior to a diligent and keen eyed GWG poster?

NeHoMaR

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 13:00 - 574

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpcash

Tons of people in Ascalon ID1 spamming "WTB Ambrace"...

People are spamming WTB yes, but NO ONE is selling the armbraces to them.

Also some people are just joking spamming WTS armbraces, when they actually aren't selling anything.

Maximumraver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Netherlands

Twisted Revenge [TR]

E/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:00 - 575

So why hasn't anyone duplicated a Panda or Kanaxai or whatever yet? cause i really don't believe that anyone who knew the exploit didn't buy one yet and duplicated it like mad.

Anyway, i don't care about it, more supply = cheaper stuff/ecto's/whatever, and that's a good thing for me

.

As long as there is no rollback (which i am convinced there won't be) i'm happy.

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:02 - 576

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaxmor

how come people wandering around with 1750 armbraces wasnt detected by ANet prior to a diligent and keen eyed GWG poster?

There's an awful lot of data they'd have to sift through to find such an anomaly. Plus, the database is continually updating every few minutes.

You'd have to already know what you were looking for to find that sort of needle in a haystack.

Predator [CD]

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 13:02 - 577

As I understand this exploit worked the following way:

- 2 guys zone in some location.
- 1st guy opens trade and puts ambrance(s) into trade window, presses Submitt and Accept.
- 2nd guy presses Submitt also.
- 1st guy kills his gw.exe process.
- 2nd guy presses Accept right after previous action and gots Ambrance.
- 1st guy uses reconnect feature (his Ambrance should be still in his inventory.

How to fix it: it's pretty easy! Just add checking for both seller and buyer are online after they both pressed Accept! Server needs just "ping" both before "make" trade.

P.S. Sorry for my bad English.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:03 - 578

hmmmmm, i do want an armbrance(really bad), but i havent seen any people sell them and i dont wanna get banned -.-

Vl Vl D

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2007

Australia

[DVDF]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:03 - 579

I would like too see these piles of armbraces nerfed to one armbrace and then been traded to a trader for a Armbrace of Nerf which can then be traded for a torment weapon. I just caped my Fow, rank 3 glad,lucky title and not to mention my sinking the piss title.

emoxcore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

No Guild

N/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:04 - 580

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaxmor

how come people wandering around with 1750 armbraces wasnt detected by ANet prior to a diligent and keen eyed GWG poster?

I dont see why someone just cant give anet the SS of the trade window and just ban them -.- I dont want a rollback

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 13:04 - 581

Anytime a player can purposely crash or disconnect their client in the middle of a trade, interrupting it, duping (or item deletion) is possible.

Anyone play Pokemon with the pokemon/item duplication trick? Same principle.

Lag or disconnect based exploits. This kind of exploit exists in any MMO, even server based ones.

Anet can track down the origins of these items. But it will take them time.

The last time i Recall this dupe was possible was last January which was before the reconnect feature was even added.

joze

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 13:05 - 582

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximumraver

So why hasn't anyone duplicated a Panda or Kanaxai or whatever yet? cause i really don't believe that anyone who knew the exploit didn't buy one yet and duplicated it like mad.

Anyway, i don't care about it, more supply = cheaper stuff/ecto's/whatever, and that's a good thing for me

.

As long as there is no rollback (which i am convinced there won't be) i'm happy.

think about it, if you'd duplicate a panda or kanaxai pet GW would practically fall apart. for instance, the panda & kanaxai are probably the most expensive items in the game, and you would not do yourself a favour (if you were a duper) to make them more common.
if you already had a panda & a kanaxai, why would you want more cash? of course there are people that are evil and think ruining a game's echonomy is solely fun, but that has yet not happened in GW (atleast as we know, maybe someone duped their panda 10 times over).

as far as i'm concerned, i don't care wether 10 extra pandas exist, just aslong as they don't get sold.

TempusReborn

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2007

R/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 13:05 - 583

Armbraces are down to 20k now - Despite the warnings about Bannage still huge huge amounts of people still want them

I think the best suggestion Ive heard so far (and please forgive the forgetting of the name after so many posts read) is to simply make Arm braces of Truth useless - Make something else trade for Tormented Weapons. The only thing more expensive than an arm brace of truth before this all broke was Asian Pets so these should (as Ive said before but doubly so now) be a lot more accessible.

Note on Asian Pet sources btw: The price of MiniMallyx has degened a lot slower than the Birthday Minipets - perhaps an in game source (PvE) , even rarer than Mallyx, should be the way to do it

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:07 - 584

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximumraver

So why hasn't anyone duplicated a Panda or Kanaxai or whatever yet? cause i really don't believe that anyone who knew the exploit didn't buy one yet and duplicated it like mad.

The dupers that sparked the discovery didn't have one to copy. That's why people saw offers of 1k+ armbraces for the high end minipets; clearly they would have if they could have.

It's fairly evident that this dupe did not become widely known until this weekend. It's entirely possible that someone a bit smarter than the guys that got caught DID duplicate them in small quantities a while back, and released them into the marketplace slowly. At this point, no one knows for sure.

In any event, there's no way that you could dupe them 'like mad' and easily offload them. The small proportion of the community that actually can afford to pay market prices knows the usual patterns of sale and is tightly networked. If a bunch of Kanaxais were to hit the market together, these folks would know something was up, just as they did when people started seeing 1k+ armbraces offered in trade.

Shaqx

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

Motong Pai

E/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 13:08 - 585

Quote:

Originally Posted by dpcash

Tons of people in Ascalon ID1 spamming "WTB Ambrace 100K"...

Sigh.....

Took me a month of farming back in January-February to get mine. Now people will flame my tormented bow like they flame my FoW armor.

Yup just been to ascalon myself.... 3 international districts!!! Tried getting into int 1 and it told me district didnt have any space... at 1pm on a monday afternoon... Never gonna see that again i suppose

Dozens of people wanting to buy AoLs (armbrace of lies) with all sorts of prices ranging 10k to 100k + 20e. A few people frantically trying to sell there's for 100k + 40e, before the dupers with there 1000's of braces to make their presence.

I know it seems a bit wrong to say, but if these idiot dupers did thier duping and sold these armbraces in drips and drabs 1 by 1 over the course of a week or so, they probably wouldn't have alerted everyone and caused all this fuss! Also decent traders would not have been affected! Prices would fall over time but that's to be expected.

Having said that, is thier idiocity a good thing in that they have highlighted that there is a fault in the game?

*Anet plz do something before i sell my foot for 1,000,000 armbraces!

emoxcore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

No Guild

N/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:09 - 586

Quote:

Originally Posted by TempusReborn

Armbraces are down to 20k now - Despite the warnings about Bannage still huge huge amounts of people still want them

I think the best suggestion Ive heard so far (and please forgive the forgetting of the name after so many posts read) is to simply make Arm braces of Truth useless - Make something else trade for Tormented Weapons. The only thing more expensive than an arm brace of truth before this all broke was Asian Pets so these should (as Ive said before but doubly so now) be a lot more accessible.

Note on Asian Pet sources btw: The price of MiniMallyx has degened a lot slower than the Birthday Minipets - perhaps an in game source (PvE) , even rarer than Mallyx, should be the way to do it

Are people selling armbraces for 20k? or are there people that just want to buy them from 5-20k? I saw a few spammers in ID1 of ascalon wanting to buy cheap..last night a friend had sold his for 100k+30e cuz he saw this thread ._.

kielus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

MU-Tants [MU]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:11 - 587

how ironic isn't it?
Ambrace of TRUTH being a huge lie ;]

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 13:12 - 588

Just:

1) Dont buy an Armbrace of Truth. No matter how tempting.

2) Dont buy any rare Asian exclusive pets.

3) Wait for everyone to calm the Go Red down

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:14 - 589

I think there should be a roll back for the last couple of hours. People buying those ambraces for less then 100K is deff not good

Worked to hard for mine to be fair.

Omniclasm

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2007

Guild Hall

A/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:15 - 590

Just think guys, we have all witnessed the start of the downfall of the second largest video game in the world.

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 13:19 - 591

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Just think guys, we have all witnessed the start downfall of the second largest video game in the world.

Nah, youre over-reacting.

Guild Wars is probably the most resilient versus these kinds of things.

for one great reason.

No guild wars item is more powerful than the other.

Torment Weapons offer NOTHING more powerful than regular weapons. Just shiny shiny shininess.

All this does is make the market unstable on expensive items. Your casual gamer wouldnt notice the difference.

kielus

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

MU-Tants [MU]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:19 - 592

meh you don't recall ecto price reset bug? ;p was same stuff, the only difference is that this dupe might be going on for more than 1 day ;] it's only today when most of gw players got the info about what's going on.
wisdom is power

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 13:19 - 593

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omniclasm

Just think guys, we have all witnessed the start downfall of the second largest video game in the world.

Depends entirely on how efficient ANet's reaction to the situation is.

Personally, I don't think the roof is coming crashing in on us just yet. There's a lot that can be done to at least mitigate the fallout, without resorting to the extreme measure of wiping the last month off the face of the earth.

Plus, keep in mind that there will be a bunch of new, desirable stuff that is dupe-free in two weeks.

The Mountain

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Realm of the GWAMMs

Teh Academy [PhD]

W/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:19 - 594

AN IDEA:

First, I have no idea if this is possible, but it seems likely it would be.

Couldn't ANET reset the game to an hour or less before this thread was created, freeze game time (shut down servers for however long it takes) and carry on the investigation? Remove the guilty parties and let the game carry on from that point.

Before this thread, I don't think any of the dupers were freaking out, so this plan SHOULD work...feel free to flame if I'm missing something. : P

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:19 - 595

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passive Keke

I'd like to know why anet manage to ruin everything that was ever good in GW. Kudos for that.

I know that Anet are responsible for their game but if they could forsee anything like this, they'd do something. It's only a couple of weeks before their expansion pack is released which means big money. I'm not saying they're a greedy lot but it's a business after all. They simply wouldn't jeopardize business if they could.

It's Anet's responsibility but they didn't intend for this to happen so you have to take it from their point of view.

I'll resevre my judgements on Anet and will assess them on their choice of resolution to the problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mountain

Before this thread, I don't think any of the dupers were freaking out, so this plan SHOULD work...feel free to flame if I'm missing something. : P

2 weeks before the release of new content? $$$

Shutting everyone off doesn't inspire confidence and, persoanlly, I'd clutch my wallet tight until I could rest assured that they wouldn't cut me off.

Maximumraver

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

The Netherlands

Twisted Revenge [TR]

E/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:20 - 596

@ joze & Martin Alvito: Yeah, good point. didn't really think of that.

emoxcore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

No Guild

N/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:20 - 597

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr_groovy

I think there should be a roll back for the last couple of hours. People buying those ambraces for less then 100K is deff not good

Worked to hard for mine to be fair.

It would have to be more than a couple hours..maybe a few days?

Also i was just told in alliance chat that the reconnect message is disabled..so if we lose connection..theres no comming back..1 step closer to fixing this? Dupers might not be able to dupe anymore but what about all the armbraces and stuff they have now?

squan

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2006

Rotterdam (The Netherlands)

Rotterdam Pride

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:20 - 598

i smeel a crises in anet.
hope there will be a good solution. hope the copiesd armbraces are tagged and deleted. only thing is that i am scared there will a roleback of 1 or more days and that would not be fair for the fair players.
if so i demand a compensation of all my lost time

wakimon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Philippines

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 13:21 - 599

ANET dont let this exploit ruin the game, do something about existing stacks of abraces.

BTW i just saw this guild won HA

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 13:22 - 600

Just my opinion but a rollback will be much more devestating to this game then making all armbraces useless...think about it a month-wide rollback or something many players would be outraged.