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Wispir

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2007

US East

Tempalrs Society [TCS]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 14:50 - 681

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nuj08

This game has been out for 2+ years and it continues to have MAJOR issues. Where do these people get these armbraces? Are they the new currency? This is absolutely sad if you ask me.

Ok, first of all this game has so few problems its not even funny. This is one of the most balanced and bugless games I have seen. When one bug comes along everyone just seems to freak out.

Now I am 100% in favor of a rollback, because that many ambraces will ruin the economy, and a rollback would only go a day or so back tops. Once the fix the bug they should have a rollback, and that will be the end of it. I am also in favor of banning all the people that exploit this bug. If they are so set on getting rich quick that they would ruin a game I love, then thats 1 less dumb player I don't have to deal with.

People are sayings I will quit GW if they have a rollback because in the past 3 months I have worked hard....blahblah...and I am going to quit if they have a rollback. No game would have a 3 month rollback. The problem has only recently become apparent. Most games that have a bug like this will rollback a couple hours, a day tops. Now if your gonna quit over a couple hours lost work.."then thats 1 less dumb player I don't have to deal with.

--Wispir

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 14:53 - 682

Rollback would be ftl.

I think Anet either need to set aside a team of staff to track down all of those responsible and ban them. Or employ extra staff to track down all of those responsible and ban them.

Hopefully once done and the number of armbraces and other materials flooding the economy has been reduced then the prices will stabalise.

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

13 Aug 2007 at 14:53 - 683

Quote:

Originally Posted by emoxcore

Lol,it would have came with the update to fix the duping,u probably got that message because u didn't restart GW straight away.It's so it would force people to leave the game so dupers couldn't dupe anymore.

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 14:54 - 684

A roll back would be mental.... this new favour system has shown LOADS of maxed titles going through, and I am one of those maxing a title over this last weekend.

I would hate to have all my personal time I spent maxing that title be wiped out due to this... I am allowed to waste my time, I'd hate to have to do it all again... 35,000 LB was a lot of pain to get....

Purge all armbraces from the game and bring in a new thing...
Scan all accounts for excessive armbraces and ban their asses...

There always has to be some jerkoffs who spoil things for others.... if its not the idiots who buy gold its something else...

Two April Mornings

No Luck No Time No Money

Join Date: Nov 2005

Amherst College, MA

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Me/

13 Aug 2007 at 14:55 - 685

I just learned of this today, and read the whole thread.

To think i was going to trade a rare shield for one.

/sickened

bought one for 5k.

People are trying to get rid of them while they can.

Selling 1750 for 5k is still a TON of money.

I have no idea what is to be done.

Cheers to fenix, Enko and co. that helped prove this.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

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13 Aug 2007 at 14:55 - 686

Reading almost all of these pages, I think this situation is really unfortunate for A-net.
It's hard to handle, because almost every action they take can hit honest players.
It's also just before the release of GWEN, also bad timing.

However, while not sure, I doubt weapons could be duplicated.
Weapons seem to be 'unique' instances in the database, because they can be modded and customized. It should not be able to dupe unique database instances.
Minipets are harder to track, but the high-end ones are limited, so A-net knows how many are supposed to be out there.
Stackable items seem to be non-unique database items.
Just a pointer to number X of item Y (for example 10 red dye).

I think the most important thing A-net could do is being very communicative on what happened and what kind of actions they are taking or considering.
Even being honest and saying "we just don't know, give us time to investigate" gives a signal.
Perhaps they could even put frequent (every one or two hour) updates on their website. That should be the main source of information at this time, not the various forums.
In the end, there is a lot of uncertainty among their customers, which is very bad at this time.

It's a delicate situation. Doing the wrong thing will have huge impact on GWEN sales.

I wish A-net best of luck taking the right actions.

Edit: fixed two minor grammar errors

fgarvin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 14:56 - 687

I've captured over 150 Elites in the last few weeks...a roll-back would be...well...devastating.

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 14:58 - 688

Thank the Lord our God I am on vacation for the past 2 weeks and didnt get anything to drop for me expensive or anything else of the sort. These big things always happen when im gone, like the roll back when the sup. absorbtions and vigors were like 200 gold and various other materials. I am always on vacation! Hopefully this all gets sorted out for everyone elses sake without a rollback although I dont know how they wont.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

13 Aug 2007 at 14:58 - 689

DoA is full of people trying to buy them for 5-10k, its quite funny.

Rollbacks into the dragon festival just won't happen. They've already had to repeat the festival once because of lag, having to repeat it AGAIN because they rollbacked the final day is just not gonna happen.

Sweet Mystery

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Shadow Hunters Of Light [SHOL]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:00 - 690

Hundreds if not thousands have maxed titles over the last few days, myself included.... can bet this will piss a lot of people off if there was even a moment of rollback...

Hell I also got into Jade Quarry to map there.... please no rollback !!!

Just remove armbraces from the game and ban the accounts with loads of them in....

Sandwiz

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 15:00 - 691

I can see right now that all the people who are doing this are reading our comments right now. They are probably transferring all their armbraces to their other chars and soon it will look like they never did anything. O.o

Lord Feathers

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

ROAR - Rangers of Ascalon Return

R/P

13 Aug 2007 at 15:01 - 692

People will always find a way to cheat, make things easier, ect. and as far as gaming goes it will not matter what game you play it will have an issue at some point. However a small roll back of even a day is indeed a big deal to some folks. This happening right after an event isn't good and suggesting a period of one month is insane and I can gaurentee that would equal a loss of players. The more likely action is the mass bans and targeting the items themselves which has already been suggested.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

13 Aug 2007 at 15:01 - 693

5K? Hey, for that money I'll buy one and get myself a nice torment shield...or 2 even

shinslw

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

TLK

Rt/R

13 Aug 2007 at 15:01 - 694

I will most prob quit gw if there ever is a rollback, I hate to regrind thru my titles achieved recently. Gosh >.<

dpcash

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

FoC

R/E

13 Aug 2007 at 15:02 - 695

ANet please prevent all acquisition and trading of Ambraces, including from NPC's. At least and until this can be fixed.

CyberMesh0

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Charter Vanguard [CV]

N/Me

13 Aug 2007 at 15:03 - 696

Better now than after EotN's release. That would have been irreparable.

My Deadly Gunz

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 15:04 - 697

Lions Arch ID1

Looks like a-net is working on the problem

axe

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Pwn Appetit [NJoy]

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13 Aug 2007 at 15:05 - 698

OMG this is unbelieveable the only way to clearly say how bad this is would be to use swears, but my mom wont let me because Im not adult yet.

When I turn 13 and am adult I will come back here and cuss this out so hard you'll cry an I wont say sorry either. And I hope you are ugly and that cant be fixed by a rollback because ugly is for life noobs

I am so angry because my mom wont let me play PvP because of swears, and I cant trade now either because she doesnt want me to catch an esteadee from all the intercoursed items so I dont know what that even meens but I will be swearing at the dupers the day I turn 13 and am adult and I cant wait.

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:05 - 699

Quote:

Originally Posted by undeadgun

that's a friend of Mine who sold mini beetle

For 85 Million? Sorry but either that seller duped or he sold his pet to an obvious duper. I may be jaded but I tend to believe the former.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holz

Yep. A high-end trader that has traded most of his ecto-/armbracestack, had nothing to do with duping

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Sorry, not buying it. Stack of Armbraces = ~17,500 ectos = 70 stacks. Nobody is converting 70 stacks to armbraces.

flipfly2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

A/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:06 - 700

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

What exactly IS that big picture you are talking about here? The few people who've traded for armbraces of the vast majority to whom their 'little' accomplishments may mean an awful lot?

Talk about selfish. 99.9% of players have never even seen an armbrace, get over yourself, please, the majority doesnt care about your torment weps or armbraces and whether you did or didnt buy/sell them. The majority DOES care about losing all they worked for for a month to appease a relative few high end traders and farmers.

agreed!
only DOA is affected by this dupe thing. if anet wud do a rollback 99.9% of players will personally be mad about anet because they are the ones who didnt hav anything to do with the exploit yet they lose all their accomplishments for a whole month.

another thing:
i dont think that customizing AoT's will be stupid because it will ruin DOA because the # of players will decrease in that area due to limited access to arbraces because its untradable. sample: i want a tormented sword + shield. i have to player with that char up to the end until i get 1 tormented weapon. that means that i have to do it again for a tormented shield? no ty.

my suggestion is making AoT's non stackable leaving players limited amount in their inventories... i mean, who would hav grinded 1xxx armbraces? that almost impossible... aven a stack of AoT's is insane... thats also a means by tracking down those abusers because its not normal to have tos amount of armbraces per acc

Rhedd

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

You ever have to clean up after a Moa bird?

True Solunastra [SLA] Profession: Moa Wrangler

13 Aug 2007 at 15:07 - 701

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery

Just remove armbraces from the game and ban the accounts with loads of them in....

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

Chrono Re delle Ere

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

The Land of Hyrule

[GoE]

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13 Aug 2007 at 15:13 - 702

Guys, ok....the dragon festival redux sucked so haaard xD I mean assigned prizes...pff...oh but this topic is talking about something else xD Ok so, as I heard about the relog update, I thought that there would have been some huge exploit....and, indeed, it happened. But the fact that this is going on from months, (at least I think) is totally wrong. Just 2 days ago, I can still remember,
I saw a guy in kamdan saying: wtb minipet panda for 100k+1000ecto+1500ambraces. My face was like this: o_o I said it to guildies and all to have some fun lol, and they did not even believe me. Anyway, before that day I've never seen people doing such offers (sorry I don't remember the name of the guy who made that crazy offer), I've always seen something like +300e or more, and that is doable if u are damn lucky and, then, rich. Then this morning I was doing my foundry 3 man farm with some friends of mine (smiter+hero and me as 600 :P ) then I had err 007, I pushed on the relog button and it said....err 21. I was, againd, just like this: o_o As I get this error quite often I hoped that it would have never happened before, but after something like 10 minutes I got that error again and again err 21 or 20 cannot remember. Anyway, I'm just sad about the fact that relog was taken away, as it was a rly great function, but if this lead to the actul situation...screw off relog xD Anyway I don't rlyy wanna a rollback...I've been playing like hell in this month, as I'm on holyday and well I just like to play on holyday, and I got my fow, some nice items (no ambraces or tormented weps anyway rofl), and I'm saving up for my second fow. So plz, anet, just don't do it, as if u do, you will kinda loose a player (and I think that it won't be just me). This is not a rly good situation for the launch of gw:en : /

P.S:I read all posts xD

Walking Noodles

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: May 2007

Giggity Giggity GOO

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:13 - 703

These people who are getting arm braces are probably not in association with each other or they would not be competing to buy the rare minis. none of these people are dumb enough to go selling arm braces for 10k etc. even if they did get an enormous profit. the millions of people in Kamadan saying "WTB Arm brace of truth 15k" are waisting their time imo

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:16 - 704

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

For 85 Million? Sorry but either that seller duped or he sold his pet to an obvious duper. I may be jaded but I tend to believe the former.

If that particular seller was duping (and I don't buy it), we're in a GREAT deal of trouble as every mini has passed through his hands (many public High End auctions). On the one hand, it would explain his supply over time; on the other hand, he is simply too well-known as a player in the markets for too long for his fortune to have come exclusively from duping items.

I'd conclude that he just got had by a duper on his beetle, unless further evidence comes to light that suggests otherwise.

Ewon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Canada

Graduates of Pre Searing [GPS]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:16 - 705

Buying the Armbraces isn't helping the situation any.

Enko

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

VA

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:17 - 706

I still think the best solution would have been the following: shut down the servers the same time as the build that disable reconnects, flag all accounts with 1750 armbraces or more and investigate those. probably would've got the majority of them. now since the servers have still been live for a while, they probably dumped them all already.

prosai

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 15:18 - 707

Man, what a horrible thing to wake up to. It seems like everytime I farm the money to get one of the prestige items in the game, something happens to depreciate the value. I just bought my Torment Shield a week and a half ago after about 4 weeks of farming constantly. Which equaled out to several hours of trying to buy ecto's at a fair price and alot of waiting around in DoA in the wee hours of the morning looking for a seller. Imagine my surprise waking up and loading into Kamadan seeing tons of people trying to buy Armbraces for 5k-20k.

I really don't know what A-net plans to do, or what they can do. Frankly it doesn't seem like any banning is a fair course of action, because like many people have already stated, not everyone is hip to the things going on, and certainly didn't buy them with malicious intent. While I know the guys sitting with stacks and stacks of Armbraces are a little less than innocent. I really don't know at this point. It really IS irritating knowing that in the long run of everything the Tormented skins probably are going to become impossibly common and worthless. I'm just really hoping a good solution is reached sometime sooner rather than later. A-net has always come through for the most part with problems, so I'm really hoping they keep to that.

Tijger

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Mo/E

13 Aug 2007 at 15:19 - 708

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

There's the problem, isnt it?

Look, if I'd had a Panda or Rollerbeetle and someone offers me an insane amount of cash for it would I sell it? Sure as hell I would and I wouldnt suspect foul play because I believed until today that items couldnt be duped.

So, no, people who sold stuff in good faith shouldnt be punished for accepting what they thought was the deal of a lifetime imho.

I agree that a rollback would be devastating and definitely not worth the aggrevation it would cause just to...well..what exactly would it accomplish really?

mr_groovy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands

No Inherent Effect [NiE]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:25 - 709

Dear any Anet Representative. If you are reading this thread you can guess that action has to be taken now! (Actually a few hours ago) The dupers have mostly dumped their dupes by now

. So is that the end of it? They duped, they dumped ,people bought ambraces prolly cheap. Is that the end of it?
If that's the case I should have been smart enough to trying to dupe myself :/

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 15:26 - 710

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enko

I still think the best solution would have been the following: shut down the servers the same time as the build that disable reconnects, flag all accounts with 1750 armbraces or more and investigate those. probably would've got the majority of them. now since the servers have still been live for a while, they probably dumped them all already.

I would say anyone with 50+ Armbraces. Then do the same for people with other valuable stackable items e.g. say 500 + Black Dye or 2000 + Ecto.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tijger

There's the problem, isnt it?

Look, if I'd had a Panda or Rollerbeetle and someone offers me an insane amount of cash for it would I sell it? Sure as hell I would and I wouldnt suspect foul play because I believed until today that items couldnt be duped.

So, no, people who sold stuff in good faith shouldnt be punished for accepting what they thought was the deal of a lifetime imho.

I agree that a rollback would be devastating and definitely not worth the aggrevation it would cause just to...well..what exactly would it accomplish really?

I thought it was just a bunch of people going wild with their or daddy's credit card.

Obey The Cat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

FFS

Rt/N

13 Aug 2007 at 15:26 - 711

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhedd

This should go without saying, but what about the folks (I'm sure there are some) who sold their high-end pets or other fancies for a boatload of armbraces, completely innocent of the problem?

On this very board, someone asked why they were getting such huge offers for their beetle pet. What if they had just counted themselves lucky and sold it?

Do they end up with no armbraces and no pet? Do they get banned for having a lot of armbraces?

I should hope not.

Honestly, I don't see an easy solution, here. (A rollback is NOT the answer. Pleeease, no!)

are u a duper? haha. sorry. people who are trading mini pets for armbraces while you can have ectos instead may be... 3 people? less? only you? ;-)

ectos are trade items and were ever trade items. armbraces are trade items since you can dupe them.

Seraphic Divinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes Ascent

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:27 - 712

Ok, wth, I swear 50% of the suggestions have been "make it so armbraces are useless/limit the number of armbraces to 1 per person/ make armbraces un-stackable"

ok let's think for a second...

no

that makes absolutely no sense. Why? Because if the duping occurred the way Enko and Fenix replicated and sent to anet, then armbraces sure as hell weren't the first things duped, I'm betting they experimented with something simple and cheap, such as a dye as the testers did, and then were like "Sweet! Let's Dupe Ectos!!!" (NOBODY would have thought to offer 'armbraces' as a method of payment because its never been done before), I'm sure the reason they started doing armbraces was because they knew a group of people were duping, and therefore to acquire more money than the other, they figured armbraces would be more tactical due to their overwhelming wealth.

ARMBRACES are not the problem, what is a problem are -all- of the items that were duped, whether they be mini-pets, ectos, crystallines, you name it.

Ewon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Canada

Graduates of Pre Searing [GPS]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:28 - 713

Would be nice to at least hear something from A-Net about this and what the current situation is.

Solas

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ireland

Currently LF Active HA Guild, Glad 2, Comm.3, R2

E/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:28 - 714

i hope a new armbrace is made and 1 day grace is giving to ecchange,they exploiters will lose alot from that.

if you sold a mini pet for that much you must have known somthign was up.

didnt ectos drop in price around 2 minths ago too?
so effectivly these people messed up the game for us anyway.well the econemy anyway

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 15:29 - 715

The new GW Economy perhaps?

Only time will tell!

qazwersder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

I'll be looking soon

E/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:32 - 716

A roll back is definately not the answer. Its been said that this has been possible since the reconnect feature was first introduced. That would be 20th december 2006. It wasnt only masses of Ambrace's which were duplicated, it was also possible to duplicate other items, crafting materials etc, it is not possible to trace all these items. It just happens that attention was brought to the problem by the large amounts of ambraces circulating. Personally I would think that Ambraces themselves cause very little effect on the overall game economy due to their inability to be sold to merchants/traders. The effect they have is they devalue themselves, tormented weapons and gemstones, unfortunately the only players this affects are the rich ones, who worked hard to gain these items, which are a status symbol. To the average player, whats an ambrace.

I maybe wrong here but i'd also have thought that rich players would have rare golds and materials, and would not consider torment weapons to be the ultimate goal (I am talking about mega rich players here).

Minipets, the most expensive are limited in number so any that have been duplicated should be easy enough to locate, with a bit of help from the community.

Now a player may have used this trick 3months ago to gain 7 stacks of rubies which are now just sat there in storage, A-Net will not have records of how these rubies appeared, whats to say they weren't bought legitimately long long ago before they had any use? It is items such as these which will devalue the economy. To me this is a much bigger problem. It is possible that the market would now be flooded with rare materials, decreasing their value, critical with the imposing release of GW:EN and the expected demand for certain materials.

My point is that its not just all about ambraces, it encompasses many other items.

Kendar Muert

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

Texas

E/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:32 - 717

anet has a record of everything that has happened in the game that they keep for at least a week- that is the only way they can do rollbacks, like the one for the trader bugs. Anet should have no problem getting the information they need- the problem is time and manpower.

Ben-A-BoO

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

13 Aug 2007 at 15:32 - 718

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

This guy closed up shop yesterday. If this didn't tip people off that there was an exploit then I don't know what could.
- removed url - no witch hunt plz

HAHAHA, He even had a Mini Kanaxai as his Avatar

wonder how many are now out there if that one has been sold two weeks ago

Screw Ectos - trade in Mini Kanaxais!

Seraphic Divinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Heroes Ascent

Mo/

13 Aug 2007 at 15:34 - 719

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faer

The new GW Economy perhaps?

Only time will tell!

xD... my first laugh in the past 16 hours over this, gg

Acehigh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Steel Phoenix[StP]/Terror Of The Justice Salmon[FisH]

13 Aug 2007 at 15:35 - 720

I think a decent solution that is still possible to do would be to reroll to when this thread was created.Then shut down the servers while they check out the accounts that have loads of ambraces on them,or other types of items that can be stacked that are valuable.