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Witchblade

Polar Bear Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 16:44 - 761

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex333

I dont know why so many people are complaining about rollback... A rollback would be great. Not just a one month rollback, but a complete and total rollback on everything but titles.

Set all gold on acounts to zero.
Delete ALL items xept for armor. Put in basic max dmg weapons and focus/shield just so people have something to use till something better drops for them.

...Not !

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

13 Aug 2007 at 16:45 - 762

Oh ffs this is geting stupid, Guru is going so slowly, i can't even get an 'advanced' message box to show up.

@ Enko. So they banned you and probably fenix for confirming this? I guess you could pass it off as a precaution, they might just check your accounts to make sure you haven't been doing it all this time and are attempting to worm your way out. But if they keep you banned... then nobody will ever report something like this again if this is the reward.

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

13 Aug 2007 at 16:49 - 763

σк, тнαт ωαѕ ωιєя∂... people know about this, yet still buy cheap ambraces ..

i just put in wts ambraces (3000 left) pm offer, and i had about 10 party invotations and about 50 people add me ...

fgarvin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 16:55 - 764

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kendar Muert

Read. Thread. Now.

You owe me approx 30 seconds of my life back. I actually spent time trying to determine what it was you were trying to convey with your post. You were trying too hard to look cool. Stop. It. Now.

BTW, I still have no idea. I am allowed to give my views on the topic...correct?

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

13 Aug 2007 at 16:59 - 765

Quote:

Originally Posted by onerabbit

i just put in wts ambraces (3000 left) pm offer, and i had about 10 party invotations and about 50 people add me ...

You're just asking to get flagged for a ban doing that, regardless if you're joking or not.

spellsword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 17:01 - 766

Quote:

σк, тнαт ωαѕ ωιєя∂... people know about this, yet still buy cheap ambraces ..

i just put in wts ambraces (3000 left) pm offer, and i had about 10 party invotations and about 50 people add me ...

Why wouldn't they buy them? Its not against the rules, especially as you can't tell if a item is legit or not. Duping is an exploit, but where a sold item came from isn't the buyers problem.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 17:06 - 767

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

Just because the duping has affected a small number of the gw community doesnt make what has happeneds any less worse.

first one point

i have made specific anti eliteist posts with specific exaples given

I HAVE NOT MADE ONE POST AGAINST THE RICH IN GENERAL

having said that what i posted was in direct answer to what this exploit will have on the GENERAL player base

probably less than the great trader price reset where random people got rich as fast as they could press *BUY*

undeadgun

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

US

Its Rainning Fame Hallelujah[伞回伞], also as guild leader

N/

13 Aug 2007 at 17:17 - 768

ｍｏｒｏｎｓ　ｉｎ　ｉｄ１　ａｓｃａｌｏｎ　ＷＴＳ XXX armbraces, WTB armbrace 5k! i mean if u are not helping on solve the situation, plz dont even let it go worse, gahhhhhhhhhhh, nose bleeding O_O

DeBron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

MD

13 Aug 2007 at 17:40 - 769

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibex333

Set all gold on acounts to zero.
Delete ALL items xept for armor. Put in basic max dmg weapons and focus/shield just so people have something to use till something better drops for them.

No. Just because you got shafted as a result of this doesn't mean that everyone has to suffer.

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 17:44 - 770

Quote:

Originally Posted by spellsword

Why wouldn't they buy them? Its not against the rules, especially as you can't tell if a item is legit or not. Duping is an exploit, but where a sold item came from isn't the buyers problem.

If you know what an Armbrace does, chances are you know how much it should be worth, someone selling one for 10k should raise and immediate red flag, not to mention that EVERYONE is talking about this in every major trading hub.

TheLordOfBlah

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

California

None

Mo/N

13 Aug 2007 at 17:46 - 771

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enko

heh guess I won't ever help anet figure out their bugs again as they banned the accounts we were using to figure this out last night. A single red dye was duped and the steps immediately sent off to Gaile Gray. She even responded with a thanks and promise to pass it on to the developers. if this is their response to ban those who helped them, I'm not even going to waste my sleep over trying anymore.

I doubt the people who were looking through to see this were told by gaile "BTW DONT BAN [X] and [Y]"

Even if she did, im sure considering the frenzy theyre probably in right now they ignored it when they saw it.

Not like you wont get it back.

dsnesnintendo

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

chinese food

N/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 17:56 - 772

working on the rollback
prices going down down

anyway we need at least a week rollback from the duping
i hate to say it unless they can detect and destroy the corrupted items and ban those involved

spellsword

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 17:56 - 773

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadis

If you know what an Armbrace does, chances are you know how much it should be worth, someone selling one for 10k should raise and immediate red flag, not to mention that EVERYONE is talking about this in every major trading hub.

When someone offers you 100k for your minipig, its not your responsibility to make sure he didn't Ebay the gold, even if it is likely. This is the same thing. They probably did cheat for those armbraces, but that’s their problem, not yours.

LumpOfCole

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Orlando, FL

Rt/

13 Aug 2007 at 17:58 - 774

Armbrace prices are in a state of pure chaos. I hate to say it, but an economic rollback at this point is possibly required.

GloryFox

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Good ol' USA, where everyone else wants to be

Now Plays World of Warcraft on Whisperwind

13 Aug 2007 at 17:59 - 775

Im sure Enko and others will get unbanned once cooler heads prevail. If anything we can start a petition on it. Overall its bad PR to ban them. Gaile knows this.

Then again I'm sure some of the Heads at ANET are very very very upset over this.

TheRaven

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Virginia

Spirit of Elisha

W/

13 Aug 2007 at 17:59 - 776

Well, this has certainly been an interesting read this morning. I actually slept last night, so I missed out on all the excitement. I woke up to find the "new build" message, but that's not unusual. I assumed the new build was just deleting the Dragon Festival (or Fesitval as A-Net called it) stuff.

I'm curious how this will affect the long term economy. Especially the prices for Rare minipets and Tormented items. I am a minipet collector and I have my heart set on owning a Tormented Shield 1 day so I'm very interested in this.

Fact: 1000's of dup Armbraces have entered the economy.
Fact: Dupers have traded 1000's of Armbraces for rare pets.
Fact: Dupers have been banned.

This results in a permanent removal of rare pets replaced with Armbraces. How many Panda's were in the game to start with? Does someone have the correct number? It was less than 50 wasn't it? How about kanaxi's? Oni's? yeti's? Beetles?

How many pets were in fact traded to the dupers? Even with the bans this still leaves 1000s of bogus Armbraces in the game. Surely that will have a long-term affect on prices. And a rare pet has been removed forever.

Obey The Cat

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

FFS

Rt/N

13 Aug 2007 at 18:03 - 777

who actually cares about armbrace/tormented weapon prices? there are 5 people who are trading armbraces but 1000000 people who are trading with ectos and ectos got duplicated too.... I'm sure.

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 18:05 - 778

WTS Minipet Kanaxai for 7 Minipet Pandas

WTS Minipet Panda for 7 Minipet Greased Lightnings

Pkest

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

Hooded Reavers of Eternal Life(Ankh)

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 18:17 - 779

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quizzical

Why do you silly people seem to believe that a rollback would be all or nothing? Have you never played a game that had a partial rollback? If they wanted to do a rollback, what's stopping them from rolling back inventories, storages, and equipped items, while leaving mission and quest completion and titles alone? Or better yet, doing such a rollback, and then adding the mission and quest rewards gained during the time that was rolled back to the players inventories?

Such a partial rollback would remove whatever happened to the economy in the time rolled back. It wouldn't cost you your titles or missions or whatever, nor should it, as you can't trade a stack of armbraces for sunspear points, mission completion, etc. At worst, a few people trying for drunkard or sweet tooth would get an unfair bonus. That's hardly game-breaking.

Perhaps because Anet has stated numerous times that they have no capability to do a partial rollback. All they can do is reset the database to a particular point at which it was backed up.

On another note, I sincerely doubt they have dedicated the resources to keep total db backups that go back a whole month anyway.

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 18:18 - 780

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

Well, this has certainly been an interesting read this morning. I actually slept last night, so I missed out on all the excitement. I woke up to find the "new build" message, but that's not unusual. I assumed the new build was just deleting the Dragon Festival (or Fesitval as A-Net called it) stuff.

I'm curious how this will affect the long term economy. Especially the prices for Rare minipets and Tormented items. I am a minipet collector and I have my heart set on owning a Tormented Shield 1 day so I'm very interested in this.

Fact: 1000's of dup Armbraces have entered the economy.
Fact: Dupers have traded 1000's of Armbraces for rare pets.
Fact: Dupers have been banned.

This results in a permanent removal of rare pets replaced with Armbraces. How many Panda's were in the game to start with? Does someone have the correct number? It was less than 50 wasn't it? How about kanaxi's? Oni's? yeti's? Beetles?

How many pets were in fact traded to the dupers? Even with the bans this still leaves 1000s of bogus Armbraces in the game. Surely that will have a long-term affect on prices. And a rare pet has been removed forever.

100+ Panda

guildwiki.org has exact numbers.

Estic

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mongoose United

13 Aug 2007 at 18:22 - 781

The banning of Enko and Fenix might actually be good sign. It sounds like they have a system that tracks down who duped. As soon as they find a duper they ban without looking at the names. As soon as Gaile sees this thread she'll probably have them unban the accounts.

In the meantime this looks like they found everyone who did this.

Spirit Of Your Death

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2007

Alcohoolic Anonymous

R/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 18:26 - 782

this completely sucks as of today.....

Quizzical

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 18:28 - 783

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pkest

Perhaps because Anet has stated numerous times that they have no capability to do a partial rollback. All they can do is reset the database to a particular point at which it was backed up.

Just because they don't have the capability to do something now doesn't mean they couldn't create it if they thought it were necessary. If they were going to do a rollback of any significant length of time, they'd almost have to make it a partial rollback. Of course, if they were going to do a rollback, they'd presumably have made an announcement or shut down servers or something by now. It's well into normal business hours in Bellevue.

Andisa Kalorn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

[PMS]

13 Aug 2007 at 18:34 - 784

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estic

The banning of Enko and Fenix might actually be good sign. It sounds like they have a system that tracks down who duped. As soon as they find a duper they ban without looking at the names. As soon as Gaile sees this thread she'll probably have them unban the accounts.

In the meantime this looks like they found everyone who did this.

This is what I thought too. My biggest concern was whether they would be able to identify the dupers... and this indicates that they can. It would be best for them to mass ban everyone who duped anything, then go back unban Enko and Fenix. That way they can stop the dupers from further laundering their ill-gotten gains.

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 18:43 - 785

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quizzical

Just because they don't have the capability to do something now doesn't mean they couldn't create it if they thought it were necessary.

they have stated several times on other issues that the database is coded from the foundation up to be all or nothing with no chance of changing/spoofing accounts

since they are not going to recode the database can you accept that your partial reroll or any reroll will not happen?

they did not do a rollback for the great trader price reset so forget it for something as minor as this

volgaris

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 18:49 - 786

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andisa Kalorn

This is what I thought too. My biggest concern was whether they would be able to identify the dupers... and this indicates that they can. It would be best for them to mass ban everyone who duped anything, then go back unban Enko and Fenix. That way they can stop the dupers from further laundering their ill-gotten gains.

Indeed, however if they cannot ban all dupers which seems unlikely, but possible...they almost certainly have to do a rollback. I am not a big fan of this idea, but anyone who played a year or year and a half ago remembers that day when the rare material trader and rune trader dropped prices on superior vigors/absorption ectos/shards etc to 250 gold each. ANet did a very good job about quickly nipping that in the bud and doing a rollback. granted it was only 3 hours or so, but they jumped on it quick. Going back to the problem at hand...the whole economy is really messed up even if only a few hundred or thousand people did this. I am sure ectos, shards,diamonds, perfect crystallines, and any other rare skinned weapon was duped along with the armbraces. Not to mention the great point herbalizer made about people trading their super rare minis etc for tons of armbraces and having the dupers banned effectively removing the rares from the game completely. As far as I am concerned nothing is really worth anything unless something is fixed. This really is the single worst thing I can remember every happening in guild wars, I just hope ANet can come up with a fix that will benefit everyone.

Chthon

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Apr 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 18:51 - 787

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

I doubt the people who were looking through to see this were told by gaile "BTW DONT BAN [X] and [Y]"

Even if she did, im sure considering the frenzy theyre probably in right now they ignored it when they saw it.

They damn well should have. Enko and Fenix saved their bacon, and they couldn't even take the tiny precaution of not banning two specific accounts?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRaven

Fact: 1000's of dup Armbraces have entered the economy.
Fact: Dupers have traded 1000's of Armbraces for rare pets.
Fact: Dupers have been banned.

This results in a permanent removal of rare pets replaced with Armbraces. How many Panda's were in the game to start with? Does someone have the correct number? It was less than 50 wasn't it? How about kanaxi's? Oni's? yeti's? Beetles?

How many pets were in fact traded to the dupers? Even with the bans this still leaves 1000s of bogus Armbraces in the game. Surely that will have a long-term affect on prices. And a rare pet has been removed forever.

The loss of minipets did not occur to me, but you're right! Some of those super-rare minis may be all but wiped out now.

As for the armbraces, If we assume that a-net banned the dupers, but not innocent purchasers of duped armbraces, then you're right here too -- there's still going to be duped armbraces floating around. We've got no idea how many got traded to innocent purchasers before the bans landed, but I suspect that it was probably enough to ruin the armbrace/torment prices permanently.

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 18:54 - 788

if anet is able to effectively track down the dupers, what will happen to the items they purchased?

im sure the dupers bought most rares including mini pandas, kanaxais, beetles, etc. will all ill-gotten items be removed from the game along with the banned accounts?

and what about the people that sold their rare minis for all those ectos and armbraces?

this only effects a small percantage of the player base but those of us that farmed/power-traded to amass some type of wealth over the past two and a half years now have absolutely no chance in obtaining these items.

this just simply creates a larger gap between the moderate collectors and the hardcore ones. since the majority of the casual player base isnt going to be effected, i dont really see anet taking drastic measures to fix the problem.

bans for people that duped and thats about it. so the rich get richer and everything else stays status quo. woot

Quizzical

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2007

13 Aug 2007 at 18:59 - 789

If someone bought a hundred armbraces and gets banned for it even without duping, I have no sympathy for that. They had to know that something wasn't kosher. What I do feel sorry for is the people who bought only one, whether they get banned or not.

Conspiracy theory time: ArenaNet doesn't know who the dupers were, but banned Fenix and Enko because they publicly admitted it, to make the rest of us think that they have a way to track down and ban the dupers.

No, I don't actually believe that. The only conspiracy theory that I believe is that the NBA playoffs are somehow partially (but not entirely) rigged.

Onarik Amrak

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2007

Astral Revenants

P/W

13 Aug 2007 at 19:00 - 790

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chthon

They damn well should have. Enko and Fenix saved their bacon, and they couldn't even take the tiny precaution of not banning two specific accounts?

The loss of minipets did not occur to me, but you're right! Some of those super-rare minis may be all but wiped out now.

As for the armbraces, If we assume that a-net banned the dupers, but not innocent purchasers of duped armbraces, then you're right here too -- there's still going to be duped armbraces floating around. We've got no idea how many got traded to innocent purchasers before the bans landed, but I suspect that it was probably enough to ruin the armbrace/torment prices permanently.

Minipet Extinction!

Loviatar

Underworld Spelunker

Join Date: Feb 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 19:01 - 791

[QUOTE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by volgaris

Indeed, however if they cannot ban all dupers which seems unlikely, but possible...they almost certainly have to do a rollback. I am not a big fan of this idea, but anyone who played a year or year and a half ago remembers that day when the rare material trader and rune trader dropped prices on superior vigors/absorption ectos/shards etc to 250 gold each. ANet did a very good job about quickly nipping that in the bud and doing a rollback. granted it was only 3 hours or so, but they jumped on it quick.

that is not the great trader price reset where all traders worldwide were set to the same prices episode that made all those instant millionaires which was not rerolled.

you are thiking of the fixed price event where the prices stayed fixed instead of going higher as intended which was rerolled

Oofus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.

Cold Hard [CASH]

13 Aug 2007 at 19:09 - 792

Quote:

Originally Posted by korcan

im sure the dupers bought most rares including mini pandas, kanaxais, beetles, etc. will all ill-gotten items be removed from the game along with the banned accounts?

Hmmm, this now begs the question; did the duppers buy rare pets and then dupe them?

Dupe Armbraces > Buy Rare Minis > Dupe Rare Minis > Sell Rare Minis

Theoretically there could now be stacks of Beetles out there.

Coridan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

US

Old Married Gamers {OMG}

W/

13 Aug 2007 at 19:10 - 793

Still no word from ANET...this is what bothers me...there is a major concern here with players... I am not playing GW till they tell us what they are going to do...It would be silly for me to go in and work on any title...or try to sale anything...as it may get rolled back. It just really blows my mind that there isn't any official response to this...other than late night posts...saying we are looking into it.

Jason Xll

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2005

Ice Tooth Cave

W/Mo

13 Aug 2007 at 19:11 - 794

Hmm just saw Fenix ingame rofl...
I'd also be more worried about the duping of limited minis. The dupers multiplied their ambraces bought limited minis and then duped those.
Edit: Oofus overtook me by 2min, so what he said XD Oh btw minis don't stack, but i doubt there's only 26 Kanaxai now.

spyke136

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/

13 Aug 2007 at 19:14 - 795

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

Hmmm, this now begs the question; did the duppers buy rare pets and then dupe them?

Dupe Armbraces > Buy Rare Minis > Dupe Rare Minis > Sell Rare Minis

Theoretically there could now be stacks of Beetles out there.

since pets dont stack, i doubt it, i'm sure some kanaxai's and guardians and pandas have been duped, but i doubt there are hundreds of them.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

13 Aug 2007 at 19:15 - 796

They CANNOT do a rollback. The game has come a long way from that screw up with the trader reset. We have titles, vanquishes, hard mode, elite areas. And more to the point the time period that this exploit has existed is just way too long, the Dragon festival makes it even less likely. They would have to put this event on AGAIN, remove all the effort people put in over hte weekend to gain tokens etc. And it wouldn't solve anything... these minipets were traded for extreme amounts of armbraces several days ago, maybe longer.

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

13 Aug 2007 at 19:17 - 797

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oofus

Hmmm, this now begs the question; did the duppers buy rare pets and then dupe them?

Dupe Armbraces > Buy Rare Minis > Dupe Rare Minis > Sell Rare Minis

Theoretically there could now be stacks of Beetles out there.

if the dupers were simply in it for personal gain, i doubt they would have duped any rare minis. why dupe rare minis when you can dupe stacks and stacks of ectos and armbraces?

if i were a duper and simply wanted a rare mini, i sure as hell wouldnt dupe more of them.

the dupers probably duped stacks and stacks of ectos and offered the max of 100k+1750e for one of them with little success in obtaining one, so they went one step further and started duping armbraces to entice the minipet owners to part with them.

Jeremy Untouchable

Wow Stole my freetime

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arkansas

None

W/E

13 Aug 2007 at 19:19 - 798

is fenix unbanned that quick?

rhythmstripp

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

The Siege Turtles [ST]

R/

13 Aug 2007 at 19:25 - 799

I've been reading through these posts all morning.

I want to get the conversation back on track so I'm going to say that I don't think that minipets can be duped. The trick seemed to be you would reconnect while obtaining the armbrace to dupe it. You never receive a minipet like an armbrace so therefor the minis can't be duped. Can we get someone to tell us the status of the rare minis? Are the perm ban accounts with rare minis truly going to forever be the death of some of them? Poor lil guys! I was working my way to a rare mini...my dreams are smashed doh!

The Herbalizer

<3 Ecto

Join Date: Jul 2005

13 Aug 2007 at 19:26 - 800

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeremy untouchable

is fenix unbanned that quick?

Maybe he was never banned :S

That would actually be worrying if they are missing people who did the dupe.

Hopefully Enko will be unbanned soon.