Petition: Hall of Monuments Changes

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You basically said everything that i thought needed to be changed about HoM...lol nice work!

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Well I already signed the petition but just let me say something :P
I'm getting a lot of opinions that the HoM wasn't really finished during the preview, and I'm starting to believe them. Even if it wasn't finished during the preview, keep on posting because Anet might need some help finishing the Hall and might actually read this thread to get some suggestions :P

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i have 8 chars and i only have 2 mini pets that i like, so if i were to put em into HoM i will not beable to have fun with em every char i am.

I really hope that the HOM we saw in the preview was a Beta version of it, but on the other hand a beta version of something so close to the release date sounds way to crazy for it to be true.

I agree with the points in the first thread about whats wrong with the HOM. And the HoM was in my eyes the biggest disappointment of the expansion.

One thing I can understand is the the requirement of upgrading heroes armor in oprder to getthem on display. Personally I don't care of the looks of my heroes, but I would like to be able to display the heroes I use the most. So what about changing the requirement of the armor upgrade to a requirement of having used the hero for a certain amount of time in the game. That way only the heroes that you actually use will get a spot.

A additional feature I would like to see, beside the " Go to my Hall of Monuments" option is a kinda "Hall of monuments Caretaker" that person can funtion as the NPC minipet storage guy that is high on the players wishlist, but he could also function as a link between HOM and your guildhall. With link i mean that he could have a option "go to a fellow guild members HOM" then click on a name of a player from the guild and you will be taken to that persons HOM. That way players can explore fellow guild members HOM on there own, and that way you can really "brag" of your accomplishments. The caretaker could also be placed in the guild hall so players can be transported to their own HOM from the guildhall or visit other peoples HOM from the guildhall.

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I agree with all of the listed changes, however I find making changes to Devotion and Honor the most urgent.

Thank you.

/agree and so, I have to say that the Hall of Monuments is a very cool idea and by that concept I say do keep it toon-based with the caveat to change the "customize" pet moniker to "registered" or something so that pets may continue to be used within the account or even traded, but can only be "registered" once.

I say keep it toon-based because it if the premise is to honor a single great hero, then it should do that job. One hero, one HoM. On the other hand, that is a very stringent slap to those who love GW and have made many many toons. It would be bad in my opinion to force them to do it for every toon, but then again they did do all the other stuff with each of their toons so there ya go.

Make sure the titles can be displayed no matter what (PvP or PvE), but only allow maxed titles to transfer some benefit to the GW2 toon.

Please remove the requirement to have hero uber-armor as the qualification for the display. DO change the look when you manage to get hero armor, but not for a standard.

Please DO show ME in my tapestry with armor. Not someone else. The Hall of Monuments to Someone Else (HoMtSE)?

Lastly, this is preview so I assume there are changes to be made and not everything is actually in place.

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This is the first real instance where I can say something in Guild Wars needs improving. Everyone has touched on all the points here, so there's no need for me to re-iterate anything. All we can do is hope that Anet listens and responds.

/signed and agree TOTALY should be account based NOT character based

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Can you move armor and cash?

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could'nt agree more with all the points to change. Also, for the monument of valor, not just GWEN weapons but all the greens and nicely skinned golds that we've all worked so hard to obtain in the previous 3 campaigns!!!! i have like 50 bazillion golds and greens on all 10 of my lvl 20 CHars!!! Again I would also like to say that what about just the normal max armor we get for our many characters?? shouldn't we be able to display those armors as well, why does it have to be only ascended or obsidian armor?? what if we dont like the ascended or obsidian armor designs? I want my 10 max armors to be displayed on the monument and also same thing on heroes monument.. what if we dont like the ascended hero armors? why can't we just have all our heroes up on the monument with their normal armor...

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I'm primarily a PvE player and I would like a bit more done for those titles please. I do PvP a lot too but seriously, rank 9? As stated, how many people actually have that high of a tier?

Also I agree, I believe that a large spectrum of weapons and armor should be allowed into the HoM. I believe it's a tad unfair to only allow EotN weapons.

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Hero rank requirements are too high and should be as low as rank 6 hero and rank 3 gladiator to be shown. (both are not necessarily easy to get, although not extremely hard either)

I sure hope this isn't the Final version of the HoM.

Hell, even if Anet has to renege on their promise that everything in the HoM will provide a unique unlock in GW2, I'd rather be able to display more stuff with the understanding that not all that stuff will carry over to GW2...

/signed i hate the current HoM all my titles and bits are spread across my account

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~ The Just ~

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Should be a collection of ALL the titles and Accomplishments that your ACCOUNT gets. Combined. Also the armors should not be full sets. That was just dumb.

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It's an enormous dissapointment when one has maxed out 14 titles and see only 4 of them in just a textual description. This sucks bigtime. I have no problem with the existance of PvP emotes but making only PvP titles display in the hall of monuments is a big kick in the rear for the devoted PvE players.
It's time for the PvE player to get some respect from the developers. The least thing i would have expected is to be able to show the time spent on my character and account but there's no possibility for that in the hall.
I expected some kind of symbol or statue for every maxed title. Shouldn't be to hard for the artists to come up with something should it ?

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The matter of account based versus character based is irrelevant to me; From what was available in the preview weekend, the Hall of Monuments fails miserably regardless of that issue, Hall of Honor being the biggest disappointment.

I'm a PvPer, with the preference of GvG. I've played in hundreds upon hundreds of GvG matches. All titles within the Monument of Honor are out of my reach. It's nice to know that Leeloof (r14) could be one of the 10 players with a monument for the Hero line, but something tells me those guys really couldn't care less about the Hall of Monuments. To me, the HoM is GEARED directly towards PvE players, yet they've been severely neglected with this Monument. Even I have been working on my titles just with hopes of displaying them. I'm sure many agree with me on this, but we could care less about what it unlocks in GW2, we simply want to be able to display the things we've worked hard for. During doule fame weekend, I tolerated HA long enough just to get my r3, for no other reason than I thought it would be funny to display that crappy little title (and anyone who knows me also find it funny, because I LOATHE HA).

Furthermore, the issue of having to keep minipets + armor sets in your inventory to be able to display them. Quick question: Has Anet lost their minds? Let's have some fun with Mathematics. Per character, with maxed out inventory capacity, we have 45 spaces. Let's say we want to display 3 sets of armor; 15 spaces. 30 spots left. Minipets? Sure, let's do 10. We're now down to 20 inventory spaces left. Play multiple facets on your character? Let's say we have 1 weapon for every attibute possible. 5 works for both casters and warriors, so we'll go with that number. 15 spots left. Are you a vanquisher? I am. I keep candy canes in my inventory at all times while vanquishing. 3 different forms of Candy Canes. 12 spots left. I also keep an ID kit and a Salvage kit. 10 Spots.

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me you expect me to do ANYTHING with 10 inventory spots? 5 lvl dungeons with 10 open spaces? Vanquishing? Even your casual exploring will net you more than 10 items.

The HoM was the one thing I was looking forward to with GW:EN. To my surprise, it was the biggest disappointment (and something I visited maybe twice the whole weekend) and was incredibly overshadowed by the gameplay of GW:EN. It received much hype from Anet, and Gaile stated on this very website to hold judgement for the weekend when we could see how it works. Well, I waited, and it was horrid. Worse than I even possibly imagined it to be.

Anet passes with flying colors in terms of gameplay. Fails miserably with the Hall of Monuments.

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/signed on all parts.

the pvp rank requirement is rediculously high, and i only get a nice little sentence about my "i'm very important".

i don't get to see the armor i am wearing.

i can't use my minis on other characters, nor share all my minis across all my characters.

you have to have upgraded armor on a hero to display it, but they are wearing their basic armor in the monument?? my "animal companion" is neither a bear, lynx, or wolf.

this whole thing just needs some tweaking.

/signed for all the improvements as suggested in the OP

I Dislike the Minipet monument for not being account based and because it customises the minipet, simply how is anyone goign to get the super rare ones nobody will sell them now

dislike the armour simply becuase it isnt my character armour

dislike the titles because im pve and dont have any pvp ones anywhere near level 9, some havent even got to level 1 yet.

weapons is awful because i dont even knwo what weapons it will take but obviously nto my gold ones or greens so far

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I agree with all the points, especially the PvE titles one! Ive busted my behind to get the titles i have in PvE and we cant display them? rubbish!

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As it stands, the HOM will not be getting any use from me.

Shame, really, as I thought everything else about the preview was absolutely excellent.

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PvE titles should count as well. Only maxed pve titles though.
Max for PvP titles seems a bit harsh.
Would be nice if I could add my collection of greens.
Elite armor sets with different pieces, displayed with a statue that looks like your character. Not all use a complete set, helms are just to ugly for some of them ^^
Minipets should be account based.

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Definitely can say something they wanted to be the main selling point of this expansion turned out (in my opinion) to be one of, if not the worst selling point. I can honestly say I was shocked to see the restrictions forced on minipets, weapons, and especially titles. I was also shocked as well as VERY disappointed to see that when I added my Obsidian armor that I spent so much on, I didn't even get to see my character, let alone my profession or even my own GENDER.

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personally, I found the HoM underwhelming, especially after all the hype

It is possible that one or two people may have reached Rank 7 Champion title, but no one will reach rank 9 before GW2 comes out.

Also, I've heard that you can only display weapons that you find in GW:EN? So.. 2+ years of collecting rare and valuable items wasted when GW2 comes out..

Furthermore, I've found that it is in no way clear what we will actually be able to do with these achievements. Can we retrieve items/titles/armour that we put up, or is the whole HoM just for showing off what you achieved?

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I was dissaponted with the HOM :-( charactor basing it was a bad idea, also what about all those people who worked hard on protector titles and explorer titles, also vanquisher and all those PVE things ?? You encourage us to get these titles by changing the favour system to title chaisng and you do not reward us in the end?? That is not fair at all.

I hope changes will take place, you may loose a lot of fans if not :-(

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in all points, it was said a lot here but.

Armor: not the same as I am wearing?? (I like the idea of storage for them in HoM)
Titles: ??? no PvE can be shown ??? a small footnote...is GW2 only PvP oriented??? then i won't bother buying... all in all, we (PvEers)should be recognized now that WE work to obtain favor...(which I like better)
Pets: wow... what a disappointment (I like the idea of a storage for them too)

other stuff in HoM... i did not go further I was looking forward to those 3 and i was extremely disappointed. Please Anet, or whoever, remember you use that HoM as a selling hype for GW2, with this HoM, right now, I changed my status from "Buying GW2" to...."Not sure to Buy... have to see more"

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I can't express how disappointed I was with the HoM. Loved the rest of the gameplay, but the Hall of Monuments was such a major letdown that it cast a shadow over my excitement for the whole weekend....and GW2. I don't mind that minipets become customized....but I do mind that it's character-based. I've been collecting, sure, but I don't really want to have to get duplicates. >< And, yeah, I've been working hard to get I Have Many Leather-Bound Books.....but not just so THAT would be the only PvE title represented there. All in all, big disappointment.

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Every single thing listed is true. Only the armor thing is not such a big flaw, but then yourself you told it was not a big flaw. The PvE issue is a HUGE flaw and DEFINATLY needs to be fixed. I am working hard on Legendary Defender Of Ascalon, Legendary Survivor, Legendary Defender, etc, and the result: I cannot even display these titles, if not even for prestige. Keep the HoM that way anet and you lost a customer for GW2.

i been playing guild wars now since shortly after the release of prohpecies, just over 2 years now, hom promised so much, and it delivered so little.

i understand that it is a monumentous job, but someone has messed it right up, i was under the impression that it was account based. then i had to unlock tapestries to add insult to injury.

the armour shown does not represent the armour i put in, specially warrior luxon elite and the recentish knights armour.

the weapon thing pissed me off as well, i have 3 perfect swords customised, which i was hoping to put in (crystaline, fellblade and collosal smitar.) and all the other expensive weapons i have got amount o nothing in there.

the title track thing is a bit awol as well, as it only resonds to max or very near max titles...... bad decision.

now why would anet go and make minipets customised ? on one side i can understand that it stops people borrowing a complete set off a friend to make their hom look complete, but on the other hand a lot of people make ALOT of money trading mininpets, i have recently picked up a few bargins and sold them on for a nice little profit. but uncustomised prices will shoot up in 3-4 months i think, it will instablize the market a bit.

dont remember much about the others that i could bitch about, but i dont think i will be investing time in the hom unless something is done, it was absolute gash.

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All the points are valid and I sign all. The most important one, above everything else is the absolute NEED to make the whole HoM account based.

It should encourage playing the game more and trying different challenges, and acomplishing various achievements. But what it does is forcing grinding, repeating and doing things really unwanted.

It's not about making things easier or harder to achieve. Legendary Vanquisher or Cartographer or Survivor is not easier because you want to do it on another character. Obsidian Armor costs about the same no matter which of your characters you make it for. Making players HAVE TO do everything on just ONE character if they want a completed monument is ridiculous beyond imagination.

Best example - the Armors monument!
To complete it you have to make like 13+ ascended armor sets for just one character! No matter if you like how they look, no matter that you won't be using most of them at all, that you'll need a separate mule character or 2 just for the armors...
Why not let players play the game how they want and let them craft all those armors for different characters that are going to actually use them, let players pick the ones they like for whichever professions they like the looks... the cost and challenge to get them remains the same!

Also, a new feature needs to be added to the game - Customization for the account. Primary uses - minipets in HoM and the 'red' tournament reward items (obviosuly pvp chars only). Even though there are more possibilities, only those 2 uses for it are actually needed.

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From all the talk about the Hall this weekend, I haven't heard enough positive things from it to outweigh all the bad rap that it's getting.

All the suggestions listed as of now seem like excellent ideas to follow for improving the Hall of Monuments.

Though, what sort of worries me is how titles will be claimed when GW2 is released. I'm curious whether titles earned on different characters in GW will be available to the same character in GW2, or just getting titles from one character. Even worse would be only allowing people of the same name to claim titles from their ancestors.

But that's not to be worried about for another couple dozen months.

For the weapons, I would realllly want to put any weapons i want in there instead of just greens from GW:EN. Good examples would be Tormented Weapons, Urgoz Weapons, Deep Weapons, Malynx Weapons, Ele Swords etc. these weapons are harder to get for some players, so i would rly want to see i can put mine up there

For the armors: like many ppl said, mixed armors are rly common for most players so being able to put ANY armor up there would be nice including maybe a smaller monument for festival masks. Example - 1k Kurz Monk > 15k Kurz Monk

my two cents

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Already signed, but thought id add the fact that you need to upgrade heros with armor pieces is retarded. For the sole reason that even if they are upgraded they display in there original outfit anyway.

The Hall of Monuments need Mannequin's and Weapon Racks that allow players to display whatever the hell they want.

And Pets should be customized to Accounts.Not characters.Thats simply retarded.

/signed, provided they weren't planning on changing it when the game goes live.

HoM is my only major disappointment, GWEN-wise.