I would simply like the HoM to be accessible for those of us who have no interest in Guild Wars PvE whatsoever, and would like our Champ, Glad and Hero Titles displayed; without having to roll a PvE charcacter, grind our way to 20, and then have to visit the HoM.
That is my only criticism about it.
Petition: Hall of Monuments Changes
Lucinda
Brockweaver
/signed
As primarily a PVE player who is concentrating all efforts on a single character it's disheartening that I am unable to display my "Legendary Skill Hunter" title. For a lot of us, we work towards titles that actually have a benefit in making our characters more powerful, not necessarily for bragging rights.
Although I do agree that changes need to be made, I do see possible exploit issues if minipets were to not be customized to the character or player's account. Unfortunately I do not have a suggestion to overcome this at this time.
As primarily a PVE player who is concentrating all efforts on a single character it's disheartening that I am unable to display my "Legendary Skill Hunter" title. For a lot of us, we work towards titles that actually have a benefit in making our characters more powerful, not necessarily for bragging rights.
Although I do agree that changes need to be made, I do see possible exploit issues if minipets were to not be customized to the character or player's account. Unfortunately I do not have a suggestion to overcome this at this time.
Commander Ryker
/signed
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Originally Posted by JASON626
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I'd like an extra tab in storage added for Gwen like we recieved awhile back for each campaign we own.
/signed
Spax
/signed
I've been moved to sign-up to the forums and throw in my 2pence, Overall I enjoyed GW:EN but the HoM was a MASSIVE letdown!
The way I see it:
1. Account Based
I have 8 chars across Prophecies and Cantha, I only find time to play a few hours a week so there's going to be an awful lot of dust collecting in my chars HoMs if it remains char based.
2. Monument of Devotion
I'm so glad I tested this on my Devourer, I'm stunned that it customises to one char, add to that the unsightly lettering overlay and rubbish layout (I'd be straight down to the Ikea outside Lions Arch for some shelving/stands for the rarer minis).
The best solution I've seen suggested to this is account customisation of mini's, I shudder to think what it would take to display a full collection across 8 chars!
3. The Monument of Honor
I don't PvP at all, 1. I'm not very good (Leeeerooooy
) 2. First person Shooters are where I get my PvP kicks.
I've tried bloody hard to get a few PvE titles across my chars and would like to see this reflected (e.g shimmering generic globe for Cartography or shimmering warrior cradling a baby (devourer egg?) for Protector)
4. The Monument of Valor
IMHO greens are more common than the weapons I use as you cant dye/upgrade them, sure my weapon of choice is only a forked sword but its been dyed to match my armour and generally "pimped" to my liking, having a Fellblade crossed with a Flamberge hanging up on a wall (regardless of stats) above a favorite shield would look great
.
5. The Monument of Resilience
I was totally let down by this, I had visions of museum-like full armour displayed in the colours I have used e.g my silver/blue Drok Knights next to my Monks Censor/Wanderer combo. Not a small thing with a colour that blends in with the rest of the place!
6. Accessibility to HoM
The short-cut key suggestion or even just a Pin on the map to travel to directly would be better than the current warp-and-run (hey, I'm lazy like that )
7.Upgrades in HoM
Rather than a Xunlai chest why not be able to drag 'n' drop your items in to the display? My minipets are occupying a tab in storage and my armour sets have been dumped on chars which I'm not using at the time.
Money-sink upgrades could be along the lines of drapes/torches/stands for armour sets/pegs to hang swords/shelves to stand minipets on and so-on
The above suggestions are my Ideal-World solutions, as it stands the HoM is worthless to me and holds no re-visit value
I've been moved to sign-up to the forums and throw in my 2pence, Overall I enjoyed GW:EN but the HoM was a MASSIVE letdown!
The way I see it:
1. Account Based
I have 8 chars across Prophecies and Cantha, I only find time to play a few hours a week so there's going to be an awful lot of dust collecting in my chars HoMs if it remains char based.
2. Monument of Devotion
I'm so glad I tested this on my Devourer, I'm stunned that it customises to one char, add to that the unsightly lettering overlay and rubbish layout (I'd be straight down to the Ikea outside Lions Arch for some shelving/stands for the rarer minis).
The best solution I've seen suggested to this is account customisation of mini's, I shudder to think what it would take to display a full collection across 8 chars!
3. The Monument of Honor
I don't PvP at all, 1. I'm not very good (Leeeerooooy
) 2. First person Shooters are where I get my PvP kicks.I've tried bloody hard to get a few PvE titles across my chars and would like to see this reflected (e.g shimmering generic globe for Cartography or shimmering warrior cradling a baby (devourer egg?) for Protector)
4. The Monument of Valor
IMHO greens are more common than the weapons I use as you cant dye/upgrade them, sure my weapon of choice is only a forked sword but its been dyed to match my armour and generally "pimped" to my liking, having a Fellblade crossed with a Flamberge hanging up on a wall (regardless of stats) above a favorite shield would look great
.5. The Monument of Resilience
I was totally let down by this, I had visions of museum-like full armour displayed in the colours I have used e.g my silver/blue Drok Knights next to my Monks Censor/Wanderer combo. Not a small thing with a colour that blends in with the rest of the place!
6. Accessibility to HoM
The short-cut key suggestion or even just a Pin on the map to travel to directly would be better than the current warp-and-run (hey, I'm lazy like that
7.Upgrades in HoM
Rather than a Xunlai chest why not be able to drag 'n' drop your items in to the display? My minipets are occupying a tab in storage and my armour sets have been dumped on chars which I'm not using at the time.
Money-sink upgrades could be along the lines of drapes/torches/stands for armour sets/pegs to hang swords/shelves to stand minipets on and so-on
The above suggestions are my Ideal-World solutions, as it stands the HoM is worthless to me and holds no re-visit value
Godefridus
/agree on the part that the HoM needs some radical changes.
Why not create a complex of halls???!!! One where you start in a hall that displays everything that you've achieved overall on your account (account wide titles, minipets, weapons and such). Upon placing the items in your hall they become customized to your account. And then up to 10 halls displaying your individual characters with their individual achievements, limited to 1 per profession so you would only get to display your champions (Hall of Warriors displaying your Warrior Champion, Hall of Monks displaying your Monk Champion, etcetera). Of course since the hall is about your greatest achievements it should only display maxed titles plus perhaps some very very very very though titles that are not yet maxed for which they have plans in GW2.
And I am sure that ANet has plenty of time to figure out a system of how to assign certain items, titles, etcetera to a character or account later in GW2.
Why not create a complex of halls???!!! One where you start in a hall that displays everything that you've achieved overall on your account (account wide titles, minipets, weapons and such). Upon placing the items in your hall they become customized to your account. And then up to 10 halls displaying your individual characters with their individual achievements, limited to 1 per profession so you would only get to display your champions (Hall of Warriors displaying your Warrior Champion, Hall of Monks displaying your Monk Champion, etcetera). Of course since the hall is about your greatest achievements it should only display maxed titles plus perhaps some very very very very though titles that are not yet maxed for which they have plans in GW2.
And I am sure that ANet has plenty of time to figure out a system of how to assign certain items, titles, etcetera to a character or account later in GW2.
Atom
/signed
I really enjoyed the preview weekend but the HoM was the one thing that really bothered me, most of all was probably that it was an explorable area and not like your own GH for your account.
I understand why, cuz of the scrying pool and all, but still, it was pretty lame.
I really enjoyed the preview weekend but the HoM was the one thing that really bothered me, most of all was probably that it was an explorable area and not like your own GH for your account.
I understand why, cuz of the scrying pool and all, but still, it was pretty lame.
I MP I
/signed. Monument of valor would only house "Destroyer Weapons" when I added the tapestry to it.
NeHoMaR
+80% of people want HoM improved, are you reading this, dear ArenaNet?
[Sarcastic note: +80% also want: 1. Full heroes party, 2. Hair stylist, 3. Trade House ...]
[Sarcastic note: +80% also want: 1. Full heroes party, 2. Hair stylist, 3. Trade House ...]
Signet Of Hell
Lol, I want more, give me more!
All it is a place to put your damn virtual "Look I'm good at something, I think" titles, it isn't that important. Play the game and stop worrying about your precious Canthan Explorer.
All it is a place to put your damn virtual "Look I'm good at something, I think" titles, it isn't that important. Play the game and stop worrying about your precious Canthan Explorer.
Plague on a Stick
/signed
when i saw a bunch of ugly warrior armor in place for my monks armor in HoM i was very displeased
the monument of valor is crap, i have 30 high end war weapons that i cant display cause they arent from gwen, and even when i get high end weapons from gwen it wont let me display them, just terrible
when i saw a bunch of ugly warrior armor in place for my monks armor in HoM i was very displeased
the monument of valor is crap, i have 30 high end war weapons that i cant display cause they arent from gwen, and even when i get high end weapons from gwen it wont let me display them, just terrible
Vinraith
Nothing in PvE should be account based.
That said it'd be nice to see more titles reflected.
That said it'd be nice to see more titles reflected.
Senatoru
/signed ...signed
Officer Dick
/signed
but what i really would like to see in HoM would be a better rearrangement system. I find the current one horrible, u click rearrange and its completelly random where ur minis will be positioned or which heros will appear on the display after you have placed more then 5.
but what i really would like to see in HoM would be a better rearrangement system. I find the current one horrible, u click rearrange and its completelly random where ur minis will be positioned or which heros will appear on the display after you have placed more then 5.
Mr. G
*stamp* and signed!
AfroThunder396
/signed
Please allow us to remove statues after we put them up, or at least preview them. I had no idea what the Animal Companion one was, so I put it up. Not only does it look horrible, but it wastes a spot that could be used by something else.
I am VERY disappointed in the Hall of Monuments.
Please allow us to remove statues after we put them up, or at least preview them. I had no idea what the Animal Companion one was, so I put it up. Not only does it look horrible, but it wastes a spot that could be used by something else.
I am VERY disappointed in the Hall of Monuments.
Gucio
/signed
Thank God for this topic. I hope Anet realises how much HoM sucks. I wanna display my rank 4 in hero and kurzick supporter title!
Thank God for this topic. I hope Anet realises how much HoM sucks. I wanna display my rank 4 in hero and kurzick supporter title!
joe3273
/signed
I love HoM, but all above changes would be appreciated
I love HoM, but all above changes would be appreciated
stiffler
/signed
I grinded away for ages on my PvE titles under the impression that they would count for something, what a bloody waste of time that was. Everything that I saw in the preview event was perfect and lived up to my expectations, other then the HoM that is, what a wasted opportunity and a real let down. I cant even display my favourite weapons that I love so much and my own armor, not someone elses armor.
I grinded away for ages on my PvE titles under the impression that they would count for something, what a bloody waste of time that was. Everything that I saw in the preview event was perfect and lived up to my expectations, other then the HoM that is, what a wasted opportunity and a real let down. I cant even display my favourite weapons that I love so much and my own armor, not someone elses armor.
kovey00
/signed
It is ridiculous that i have spent countless hours maxing numerous pve titles and I dont even get to show them off just because I dont like to pvp. This definitely needs changed.
It is ridiculous that i have spent countless hours maxing numerous pve titles and I dont even get to show them off just because I dont like to pvp. This definitely needs changed.
Phoenix Tears
I totally agree with everything written of silly warrior.
HoM really needs to become account based, everythign what HoM includes, to too Mini Pets, can't be that we have to customized them to single characters, noly so that they don't become tradeable for quick free unlocking. Good, this is a good reason i agree to, but this stuff can be solved in a much better wayby simple making mini pets in general account based and untradeable/unsellable and then just give the game more oppotunities for the players to receive the mini pets, then only over events or after waiting a whole dumb year, until ur char gets birth day and then hoping u get something, that u haven't got yet.
Mini Pets get then only tradeable via NPC's for the players which havevthen more then 1 of the same mini pet, at those npc u can then trade ur mini pet against an other of the same rarity rank (birthday rank) versus a additional fee of say 10 Platin to bring the npc to the point, that its willing to make the trade
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The Hall needs more Monuments, there are lots of things, that can be used.
Devotion: Minipets
Put your account based Mini Pets in, that get customized to ypour account.
Once done, your accound based mini pets become untradeable but are still usable with all of your characters of your account.
(think on every existing minipets !!! Anet give us a way to receive too over an hard ingame way the special minipets like asura, panda, isle guardian and so on. people should be able to get every existing minipet over time, when not, its unfair. Can't be, that we europeans for example have to buy the very rare ones from such promotion shit have to buy them ever from chinese players or so for 100p and xxx ectos)
Honor: Titles
Lol, this monument sucks, only PvP titles... put in all possible titles !!!
And then make not them unlockable with r9 ..
The unlock should begin for every title with Rank 1!!!
And then, everytime when you raise one titles rank , the unlocks for GW2 become part for part more valuable or simple more.
Example:
You start GW2 with 3 maxed titles only, the bonus unlock u'll receive then is then not so much valuable, as when u start GW2 with 30 maxed titles.
This momument needs to get stages for the bonus stuff u'll receive later in GW2 over this monument
Valor: Weapons,Shields, Focus Items
With this Monument, the player should be able to put in green Stuff of any sort, not only Weapons. Thius monument should allow the player later for sure, to craft finally ur own weapons with its own names somehow
Resilence: "Hero" Armors
Again, this Momument should get 2 stages of unlock valuable.
players should be able to put on the altar statues of every unlocked hero they have, regardless of the point ,which kind of armor they wear, but so more of them wear their acsendend armors and not their standard armors, to better will become the bonus unlocks for GW2 over this monument
Now to new monuments that the hall could have:
Monument of Love: Ranger Pets
Over this Monument the Player can put on the altar statues of account unlocked ranger pets, which get unlocked, once the player has tamed them once. This monument would be then a way to, to give the rangers a possibility to exchange pets.
When u want to exchange for example then ur UW spider for phoenix, both are put on HoM altar, then u go to ur HoM to the monument of love, where u can then exchange at the monument ur pets. The soul of the tamed pet will then pop out of the statues on the altar and the one of the pet that leaves u for the other pet goes into the statue
Monument of Proud: Player Armors
On this monument, u can put on the Elite-Armors of your character and with this monument u can change then your armors, as u would change pets at the monument of love.
over this way the player doesn't need then douzends of spots of his storage for the armor parts, no the play can then change his armors simple at the moinument without wasting storage place anymore. statures wearing the armors will appear then, the one in the middle will be then your character and the player can sort, which armor ur character should wear on the altar
Monument of Dignity: Runes,Isignia,Weapon/Shield Upgrades,Focus Cores
Over this monument u put in the best stuff of those things only in, (for runes u have to put in all versions from weak to strong - effect, prices will raise a bit for all
), Stuff will be shown then.
Monument of Wisdom: Skill Points, Unlocking of Skills %
On this Monument will be recorded, how much Skill Points u've totally received with all your characters and how much % of existing skills including elite skills are unlocked for ur account (in an other way, the is the monument for characters experience points) this monument will not count skill points from the new star item. So more % u've reached, so more stars will appear on the altar. when u've reached 100%, u'll see a nice picture of shooting stars with a nice crescent moon
Monument of Courage: Number of Campaign Playthroughs in HM
The bonus unlock of this monument will be better, so more campaigns and add ons of GW1 u've played through in Hard Mode. For every campaign played through in HM, the player will see on his altar a big golden from campaign to campaing and add on different Trophy, like thiose, we can see on pvp isles for the World Mastership.
Monument of Passion: Experience Points
This Monument will count the total of expecience points of your account and how old your account is.
Means, every time when your account reaches certain marks of expecience point stages and certain marks of accounts age, more little trophys (artefacts will appear on the altar will will show quest items as representation of the time that has passed and things that u've seen over time in your journeys
Starting for example with red iris flowers.
So more exp u have in total, and so older your account becomes, so better will be the value of the bonus unlock for gw2.
This will also mean, that the player must have in GW2 the choice, if he wants to receive the bonus unlocks direct, or not, so that the player can wait with certain boni of certain monuments, so that the value of the bonus stuff can raise over time until its maximum.
Monument of Twilight: Event(Quest*) Masks
Important Note*: Please, very PLEASE, implement into the game quests, where players get in the end as bonus a certain event mask.
In this ay, people can reveive those mask, which had no chance to be on at the events, or which lost their masks, they got, because people had to delete their characters to receive with their main chara to get a chance to receive the survivor title -.- and cause of too less sorage place have lost their masks (like me) and have now no chance anymore, to get them back, because the stupid mask npc masks only copies of masks, from your account, u can#t use masks from other players to copy them so that u have one too at thsoe dumb npcs. so give the players quests, so that we can receive those masks too.
each mask u got get, lands on the altar of twilight.
so. that are all, that i can think of, soke could be put to the Eye of the North, but it are so much, why not make a "Eye of the South" for the new monumentsv for example in the west unused place of tyria's crystal desert, this half island, which some players might think of, that it may be the kingdom of Orr.
And then maybe creaty a little storyline between Ey of the North and Eye of the South, making those 2 to towers of the gods or so ^^.
Theoretically there can exist than too an Eye of the West and an Eye of the East with even further more monuments ^^
ok, stop dreaming, come to a point:
hope, much will be done in near future with the HoM, its far not perfect and there are lots of things, that can be done to make the HoM better
HoM really needs to become account based, everythign what HoM includes, to too Mini Pets, can't be that we have to customized them to single characters, noly so that they don't become tradeable for quick free unlocking. Good, this is a good reason i agree to, but this stuff can be solved in a much better wayby simple making mini pets in general account based and untradeable/unsellable and then just give the game more oppotunities for the players to receive the mini pets, then only over events or after waiting a whole dumb year, until ur char gets birth day and then hoping u get something, that u haven't got yet.
Mini Pets get then only tradeable via NPC's for the players which havevthen more then 1 of the same mini pet, at those npc u can then trade ur mini pet against an other of the same rarity rank (birthday rank) versus a additional fee of say 10 Platin to bring the npc to the point, that its willing to make the trade
-----
The Hall needs more Monuments, there are lots of things, that can be used.
Devotion: Minipets
Put your account based Mini Pets in, that get customized to ypour account.
Once done, your accound based mini pets become untradeable but are still usable with all of your characters of your account.
(think on every existing minipets !!! Anet give us a way to receive too over an hard ingame way the special minipets like asura, panda, isle guardian and so on. people should be able to get every existing minipet over time, when not, its unfair. Can't be, that we europeans for example have to buy the very rare ones from such promotion shit have to buy them ever from chinese players or so for 100p and xxx ectos)
Honor: Titles
Lol, this monument sucks, only PvP titles... put in all possible titles !!!
And then make not them unlockable with r9 ..
The unlock should begin for every title with Rank 1!!!
And then, everytime when you raise one titles rank , the unlocks for GW2 become part for part more valuable or simple more.
Example:
You start GW2 with 3 maxed titles only, the bonus unlock u'll receive then is then not so much valuable, as when u start GW2 with 30 maxed titles.
This momument needs to get stages for the bonus stuff u'll receive later in GW2 over this monument
Valor: Weapons,Shields, Focus Items
With this Monument, the player should be able to put in green Stuff of any sort, not only Weapons. Thius monument should allow the player later for sure, to craft finally ur own weapons with its own names somehow
Resilence: "Hero" Armors
Again, this Momument should get 2 stages of unlock valuable.
players should be able to put on the altar statues of every unlocked hero they have, regardless of the point ,which kind of armor they wear, but so more of them wear their acsendend armors and not their standard armors, to better will become the bonus unlocks for GW2 over this monument
Now to new monuments that the hall could have:
Monument of Love: Ranger Pets
Over this Monument the Player can put on the altar statues of account unlocked ranger pets, which get unlocked, once the player has tamed them once. This monument would be then a way to, to give the rangers a possibility to exchange pets.
When u want to exchange for example then ur UW spider for phoenix, both are put on HoM altar, then u go to ur HoM to the monument of love, where u can then exchange at the monument ur pets. The soul of the tamed pet will then pop out of the statues on the altar and the one of the pet that leaves u for the other pet goes into the statue
Monument of Proud: Player Armors
On this monument, u can put on the Elite-Armors of your character and with this monument u can change then your armors, as u would change pets at the monument of love.
over this way the player doesn't need then douzends of spots of his storage for the armor parts, no the play can then change his armors simple at the moinument without wasting storage place anymore. statures wearing the armors will appear then, the one in the middle will be then your character and the player can sort, which armor ur character should wear on the altar
Monument of Dignity: Runes,Isignia,Weapon/Shield Upgrades,Focus Cores
Over this monument u put in the best stuff of those things only in, (for runes u have to put in all versions from weak to strong - effect, prices will raise a bit for all
), Stuff will be shown then.Monument of Wisdom: Skill Points, Unlocking of Skills %
On this Monument will be recorded, how much Skill Points u've totally received with all your characters and how much % of existing skills including elite skills are unlocked for ur account (in an other way, the is the monument for characters experience points) this monument will not count skill points from the new star item. So more % u've reached, so more stars will appear on the altar. when u've reached 100%, u'll see a nice picture of shooting stars with a nice crescent moon
Monument of Courage: Number of Campaign Playthroughs in HM
The bonus unlock of this monument will be better, so more campaigns and add ons of GW1 u've played through in Hard Mode. For every campaign played through in HM, the player will see on his altar a big golden from campaign to campaing and add on different Trophy, like thiose, we can see on pvp isles for the World Mastership.
Monument of Passion: Experience Points
This Monument will count the total of expecience points of your account and how old your account is.
Means, every time when your account reaches certain marks of expecience point stages and certain marks of accounts age, more little trophys (artefacts will appear on the altar will will show quest items as representation of the time that has passed and things that u've seen over time in your journeys
Starting for example with red iris flowers.
So more exp u have in total, and so older your account becomes, so better will be the value of the bonus unlock for gw2.
This will also mean, that the player must have in GW2 the choice, if he wants to receive the bonus unlocks direct, or not, so that the player can wait with certain boni of certain monuments, so that the value of the bonus stuff can raise over time until its maximum.
Monument of Twilight: Event(Quest*) Masks
Important Note*: Please, very PLEASE, implement into the game quests, where players get in the end as bonus a certain event mask.
In this ay, people can reveive those mask, which had no chance to be on at the events, or which lost their masks, they got, because people had to delete their characters to receive with their main chara to get a chance to receive the survivor title -.- and cause of too less sorage place have lost their masks (like me) and have now no chance anymore, to get them back, because the stupid mask npc masks only copies of masks, from your account, u can#t use masks from other players to copy them so that u have one too at thsoe dumb npcs. so give the players quests, so that we can receive those masks too.
each mask u got get, lands on the altar of twilight.
so. that are all, that i can think of, soke could be put to the Eye of the North, but it are so much, why not make a "Eye of the South" for the new monumentsv for example in the west unused place of tyria's crystal desert, this half island, which some players might think of, that it may be the kingdom of Orr.
And then maybe creaty a little storyline between Ey of the North and Eye of the South, making those 2 to towers of the gods or so ^^.
Theoretically there can exist than too an Eye of the West and an Eye of the East with even further more monuments ^^
ok, stop dreaming, come to a point:
hope, much will be done in near future with the HoM, its far not perfect and there are lots of things, that can be done to make the HoM better
Lil Mystique
/signed
Gaile had stated before the preview that the HoM would be accessible, but would not be working. I think that the ridiculously high reqs for the HoM is temporary and will be changed upon release. Think about NF when Razah was 50,000 balth faction to unlock for a while then they reduced it drastically. I really hope this is the case, since my boyfriend and I have many titles and such we would like to display, but cannot because of the high reqs.
Gaile had stated before the preview that the HoM would be accessible, but would not be working. I think that the ridiculously high reqs for the HoM is temporary and will be changed upon release. Think about NF when Razah was 50,000 balth faction to unlock for a while then they reduced it drastically. I really hope this is the case, since my boyfriend and I have many titles and such we would like to display, but cannot because of the high reqs.
Leslie
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lil Mystique
/signed
Gaile had stated before the preview that the HoM would be accessible, but would not be working. I think that the ridiculously high reqs for the HoM is temporary and will be changed upon release. Think about NF when Razah was 50,000 balth faction to unlock for a while then they reduced it drastically. I really hope this is the case, since my boyfriend and I have many titles and such we would like to display, but cannot because of the high reqs. /signed
Agreeing with my girlfriend here. We need to take into account the fact that what we've seen so far was an incomplete HoM. Still, should things be kept as they are then it would definitely be nice to see changes. I was surprised to see that when i put my warrior's 15k gladiators from grotto up it showed me a male ele and a female necro in grotto armour. We're going to wait and see what happens, and what the completed HoM is like and then have a rethink about things.
Gaile had stated before the preview that the HoM would be accessible, but would not be working. I think that the ridiculously high reqs for the HoM is temporary and will be changed upon release. Think about NF when Razah was 50,000 balth faction to unlock for a while then they reduced it drastically. I really hope this is the case, since my boyfriend and I have many titles and such we would like to display, but cannot because of the high reqs. /signed
Agreeing with my girlfriend here. We need to take into account the fact that what we've seen so far was an incomplete HoM. Still, should things be kept as they are then it would definitely be nice to see changes. I was surprised to see that when i put my warrior's 15k gladiators from grotto up it showed me a male ele and a female necro in grotto armour. We're going to wait and see what happens, and what the completed HoM is like and then have a rethink about things.
Shadow Kurd
/signed for option 1
I'm thinking they forgot to add the PvE part.
I'm thinking they forgot to add the PvE part.
Torino Cowell
/sign
agree with everything you said there , HoM has been seriously flawed .
agree with everything you said there , HoM has been seriously flawed .
Aldora
/signed.
I had great expectations for HoM, but the actual Hall was a huge let-down.
I have 10 chars (all but one at level 20, all PvE - imho PvP is not much fun). Most of these characters have elite armor and multiple PvE titles.
I would like to see:
1. My character's ACTUAL armor displayed in HoM. When I added my mesmer's 15K Grotto, it displayed little male and female Grotto mesmers. When I added my ritualist's 15K exotic, it displayed male rit and female assassin exotics, my dervish vabbian displayed male and female paragon vabbian. If I am going to grind my way to elite armor, why on earth would I not want to see MY character's armor on a mannequin of MY character's gender AND class? I don't care what elite exotic male rit armor looks like - I don't have MALE rit armor.
2. Customized minis? Are you serious? That is one design flaw Anet should REALLY have warned us about before hand. I only have one mini - I've sold off all the others. I have a mini Kuunie and I love him. I switch him back and forth between characters constantly. Whichever character I am playing, Kuunie comes along. For this reason, my little pet monument will remain forever empty as I am not spending the gold to buy a Kuunie for all ten characters on my account. I have better things to spend the money on: more 15K armor to be displayed incorrectly, perhaps.
3. I understand the title thing so far as the Kind of a Big deal title, but why shouldn't this be opened up to include ALL maxed titles? I have no maxed titles of any kind, but if I were to grind my butt off to get one - why not let me display it? What you are saying here is that someone who busts thier butt to get a maxed cartogropher title, a maxed skills title, or a Defender of Ascalon title is less worthy of displaying there titles than someone who spent a few days on Shing Jea Boardwalk to max out their drunkard, sweet tooth, lucky, unlucky and gamer titles? I personally think more recognition should go to those who earn thier titles playing the game and working toward it than to those who merely hop on for events that give out free booze.
4. Heroes should not need to have upgraded armor to be displayed. They are heroes. They are part of the Fellowship monument. Are you telling me that my heroes will only make for good fellowship if I upgrade thier armor? Standard armor, upgraded armor or no armor, they are still my character's fellowship regardless. Did Frodo have to buy fancy clothes before the rest of the fellowship regarded him as worthy? I think not.
5. Festival hats. Why not make a home for festival hats in HoM? These are things we all did our part to acquire. I have never understood why the hats are customized to the character instead of the account to begin with. Why not open them to account-wide customization and let us display them in the hall where we can take them in and out as we please? This is, of course, dependent on what I feel is the BIGGEST issue for HoM:
6. Per-character restriction. I think HoM should be my little shrine to myself and my own greatness (as it exists in my mind). I have 10 characters that I will have to grind through the never-ending primaries in GW:EN before I can complete thier Halls and even then, only one can use my mini, the armor doesn't display correctly, none of the heroes have upgraded armor, no one has a Kind of a Big Deal title and all my greens and rare skinned golds have been hoarded and collected for no reason whatsoever (being that I can't display them either). It should be opened to an account-wide monument to ALL that I - as a person - have achieved in the game. I have 10 different characters with 10 different professions and 10 different names, but they are ALL me.
Perhaps it IS narcissistic of me, but if I can't show a little self-love for my accomplishments in-game, why am I giving Anet my money?
Just my thoughts on the subject, take it for what you will.
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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR
I had great expectations for HoM, but the actual Hall was a huge let-down.
I have 10 chars (all but one at level 20, all PvE - imho PvP is not much fun). Most of these characters have elite armor and multiple PvE titles.
I would like to see:
1. My character's ACTUAL armor displayed in HoM. When I added my mesmer's 15K Grotto, it displayed little male and female Grotto mesmers. When I added my ritualist's 15K exotic, it displayed male rit and female assassin exotics, my dervish vabbian displayed male and female paragon vabbian. If I am going to grind my way to elite armor, why on earth would I not want to see MY character's armor on a mannequin of MY character's gender AND class? I don't care what elite exotic male rit armor looks like - I don't have MALE rit armor.
2. Customized minis? Are you serious? That is one design flaw Anet should REALLY have warned us about before hand. I only have one mini - I've sold off all the others. I have a mini Kuunie and I love him. I switch him back and forth between characters constantly. Whichever character I am playing, Kuunie comes along. For this reason, my little pet monument will remain forever empty as I am not spending the gold to buy a Kuunie for all ten characters on my account. I have better things to spend the money on: more 15K armor to be displayed incorrectly, perhaps.
3. I understand the title thing so far as the Kind of a Big deal title, but why shouldn't this be opened up to include ALL maxed titles? I have no maxed titles of any kind, but if I were to grind my butt off to get one - why not let me display it? What you are saying here is that someone who busts thier butt to get a maxed cartogropher title, a maxed skills title, or a Defender of Ascalon title is less worthy of displaying there titles than someone who spent a few days on Shing Jea Boardwalk to max out their drunkard, sweet tooth, lucky, unlucky and gamer titles? I personally think more recognition should go to those who earn thier titles playing the game and working toward it than to those who merely hop on for events that give out free booze.
4. Heroes should not need to have upgraded armor to be displayed. They are heroes. They are part of the Fellowship monument. Are you telling me that my heroes will only make for good fellowship if I upgrade thier armor? Standard armor, upgraded armor or no armor, they are still my character's fellowship regardless. Did Frodo have to buy fancy clothes before the rest of the fellowship regarded him as worthy? I think not.
5. Festival hats. Why not make a home for festival hats in HoM? These are things we all did our part to acquire. I have never understood why the hats are customized to the character instead of the account to begin with. Why not open them to account-wide customization and let us display them in the hall where we can take them in and out as we please? This is, of course, dependent on what I feel is the BIGGEST issue for HoM:
6. Per-character restriction. I think HoM should be my little shrine to myself and my own greatness (as it exists in my mind). I have 10 characters that I will have to grind through the never-ending primaries in GW:EN before I can complete thier Halls and even then, only one can use my mini, the armor doesn't display correctly, none of the heroes have upgraded armor, no one has a Kind of a Big Deal title and all my greens and rare skinned golds have been hoarded and collected for no reason whatsoever (being that I can't display them either). It should be opened to an account-wide monument to ALL that I - as a person - have achieved in the game. I have 10 different characters with 10 different professions and 10 different names, but they are ALL me.
Perhaps it IS narcissistic of me, but if I can't show a little self-love for my accomplishments in-game, why am I giving Anet my money?
Just my thoughts on the subject, take it for what you will.
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[Sarcastic note: +80% also want: 1. Full heroes party, 2. Hair stylist, 3. Trade House ...]
Full hero party: dream come true *sigh*
Hair stylist: heck yeah... get rid of my warrior's greasy pig tails.
Trade house: eh... not so much.
Also, which occured to me as an afterthought... instead of making HoM such a hassle to get to, why not give us each our own little narcissistic shrine to ourselves - our own account-based HoM - on the battle isles, in the vicinity of our guild hall? This would make for easier access, and could be accessed like the three other games via the little boat thing. Just a thought.
Hair stylist: heck yeah... get rid of my warrior's greasy pig tails.
Trade house: eh... not so much.
Also, which occured to me as an afterthought... instead of making HoM such a hassle to get to, why not give us each our own little narcissistic shrine to ourselves - our own account-based HoM - on the battle isles, in the vicinity of our guild hall? This would make for easier access, and could be accessed like the three other games via the little boat thing. Just a thought.
Ranger Rog
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Andovar
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Honestly, my first impression when I went to HoM was "well, this isn't done yet..."
I can't imagine Anet not implementing many of the ideas expressed here. There's just way too much of the user community that's in agreement over these "issues".
Honestly, my first impression when I went to HoM was "well, this isn't done yet..."
I can't imagine Anet not implementing many of the ideas expressed here. There's just way too much of the user community that's in agreement over these "issues".
Kletimostaph
/signed
I was quite upset about the random armor being shown instead of my own armor.
I believe that the changes stated in the FP are right on. It's quite simple that the changes need to be made, especially the titles. Come on, not everybody is a PvPer, this monument was just ridiculous. Also, just the fact that I beat the game does not show my accomplishment. It should show that I have the title proving my worth in gaining the protector of <insert realm here>. Mini's I'm not too worried about, but I think that people should be able to switch them out between characters when and if they want. This idea of "customizing" them to a particular character is junk. If they were meant to be customized to a particular character, then they should have come customized when you get them.
Not much else to say, but I totally agree.
I was quite upset about the random armor being shown instead of my own armor.
I believe that the changes stated in the FP are right on. It's quite simple that the changes need to be made, especially the titles. Come on, not everybody is a PvPer, this monument was just ridiculous. Also, just the fact that I beat the game does not show my accomplishment. It should show that I have the title proving my worth in gaining the protector of <insert realm here>. Mini's I'm not too worried about, but I think that people should be able to switch them out between characters when and if they want. This idea of "customizing" them to a particular character is junk. If they were meant to be customized to a particular character, then they should have come customized when you get them.
Not much else to say, but I totally agree.
Seppi
/signed
The HoM was a big disappointment to me.
I think it needs all of the changes mentioned in the OP.
The HoM was a big disappointment to me.
I think it needs all of the changes mentioned in the OP.
Sparks Dawnbringer
/signed
I was completely disapointed in the titles catagory. Since I don't PvP ever, I felt overlooked. I think every title should count at least keep track of our progress. I have always been disapointed in the lack of recognition for doing the PvE part. All of the good fun stuff comes from PvP. The glowing wolves, borders on capes, fun showy things are never available to PvE. Guild Wars is still trying to force us to PvP and by the looks of the PvP areas un Factions they are failing. Try and get on a team to map some of those PvP areas, you can wait for hours.
As far as Mini Pets go I think it should be account based. But I realize they had to keep people from showing someone elsed mini in the hall and then returning it. Also they have stopped people from taking pets over and selling them for high prices where they cannot be gotten.
I was completely disapointed in the titles catagory. Since I don't PvP ever, I felt overlooked. I think every title should count at least keep track of our progress. I have always been disapointed in the lack of recognition for doing the PvE part. All of the good fun stuff comes from PvP. The glowing wolves, borders on capes, fun showy things are never available to PvE. Guild Wars is still trying to force us to PvP and by the looks of the PvP areas un Factions they are failing. Try and get on a team to map some of those PvP areas, you can wait for hours.
As far as Mini Pets go I think it should be account based. But I realize they had to keep people from showing someone elsed mini in the hall and then returning it. Also they have stopped people from taking pets over and selling them for high prices where they cannot be gotten.
King Kong
/signed
There is no way its 100% done... surely
There is no way its 100% done... surely
NeHoMaR
Look like possibly ArenaNet will be adding a necro NPC blocking the door to HoM, with a message like this: "You cannot enter here yet, we are reworking the place, get out! ... and return in 6 months, and YES, I am the same necro blocking you access to DoA for many months!"
Aldora
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Originally Posted by King Kong
There is no way its 100% done... surely
Today is August 27th, the game releases on August 31st - the ENTIRE game... honestly, how many changes do you think they're gonna make in 4 days? Not a whole lot, I'd wager.
Especially when you consider they will have to have the game compiled, copied, packaged and distributed in that time as well.
Especially when you consider they will have to have the game compiled, copied, packaged and distributed in that time as well.
Horible
/notsigned
Bring on the Flame.....
Reasons:
1. Using a characters benefits, like making a 55 just for the highest rank in the Survivor title track, from a single character that has absolutely no other use doesn't feel right. Why should they be rewarded for searching the forums, finding a class that could get r3 Survivor easiest and get that benefit in GW2 just as easily as you main character? It just doesn't make sense.
2. It encourages you to have separate goals and accomplishments on each character. Feel like eating and drinking lots on your Elementalist? Fine, and get that bonus from them. You shouldn't be able to smush all you achievements into a single hall.
3. You still get global titles into you hall so there is something account based. Using the account based method would be even more broken because every single one of your characters in GW2 could have all the benefits from the HoM. Instead of have the characters HoM match to a single character in GW2, it would just be an enormous benefit fest. So many characters would have special benefits and that wouldn't be fun for anyone.
Horible
Bring on the Flame.....
Reasons:
1. Using a characters benefits, like making a 55 just for the highest rank in the Survivor title track, from a single character that has absolutely no other use doesn't feel right. Why should they be rewarded for searching the forums, finding a class that could get r3 Survivor easiest and get that benefit in GW2 just as easily as you main character? It just doesn't make sense.
2. It encourages you to have separate goals and accomplishments on each character. Feel like eating and drinking lots on your Elementalist? Fine, and get that bonus from them. You shouldn't be able to smush all you achievements into a single hall.
3. You still get global titles into you hall so there is something account based. Using the account based method would be even more broken because every single one of your characters in GW2 could have all the benefits from the HoM. Instead of have the characters HoM match to a single character in GW2, it would just be an enormous benefit fest. So many characters would have special benefits and that wouldn't be fun for anyone.
Horible
philler
I dont really think HoM really needs to be changed though, some things really make sense but I wouldn't make it account-based because then it wouldn't make sense in GW2 if it is the armor of our ancestors. In that case it would mean that a dervish originally from elona would be family from, for instance, an elementalist born in Ascalon. They need to have the same last name in that case and I don't think many people have the same last name of all their characters in GW.
But I think AreanaNet hasn't shown everything in the HoM and they are just learning what they need to post in it and what they need to keep out of the HoM.
Philler
But I think AreanaNet hasn't shown everything in the HoM and they are just learning what they need to post in it and what they need to keep out of the HoM.
Philler
Torino Cowell
1 more thing .. regarding the "fun NPCs" that were mentioned earlier , why not have an "identity agent" , where you can change your character name . if your name is inappropriate you can but what about those people who dislike their name and follow the guild wars code of conduct , they should be able to as well.
VitisVinifera
/signed for option 1
and I won't buy until HoM is satisfactorily addressed
and I won't buy until HoM is satisfactorily addressed
Facco
/signed
Change HoM now!!!
Change HoM now!!!
nardhelain
1. Account Based - /agree
I think it is entirely appropriate that a single GW2 character can inherit the accomplishments of a single GW1 character. What I would like to see is a way to display all my characters' accomplishments in one place. I would like to be able to see all the armor sets of my 10 characters in one place. I would like to see all my protector titles for my multiple characters that have achieved them in one place. It's fine with me if only one GW2 character can inherit all my title-hunting necro's accomplishments, but it would be nice to see those accomplishments no matter which GW1 character I happen to be playing at the moment.
2. Monument of Devotion - /signed
I think it is a really terrible idea to customize mini-pets to a single character. As a player with 10 chars, most of which I play from time to time, I like to pass minis around among characters on my account. If the accomplishment of having the mini can only be credited to one character, that's fine with me. However, I'd still like my monk to be able to display a high-end mini after my necro's taken credit for it, for example. I understand why the minis must be customized to a certain extent; I would just rather they be customized to an account rather than a character.
3. The Monument of Honor - /SIGNED!
As it stands now, my Monument of Honor will be absolutely empty for all my characters, despite that fact that I have maxed PvE titles on several characters. It strikes me as poor execution to memorialize only PvP titles, since people who have high enough rank in PvP are likely PvP-only players who do not have access to the HoM anyhow! Again, if only certain titles at certain rank will count for GW2 bonuses, that's fine. However, it would be nice to be able to display any titles our characters have, whether they are at r1 or max rank.
4. The Monument of Valor - /signed
It would be great to be able to display my collection of monk green weapons, or the variety of bow skins my ranger has accumulated, or the terrific green and gold staves my necro has used to great effect on the field of battle regardless their campaign of origin. Yet again, if only EotN skins count for GW2 bonuses, that's fine with me. I just would like to be able to display other weapons.
5. The Monument of Resilience /signed, signed, signed
My necro farmed extensively to have that spiffy Elite Kurzick armor, but I happened to like the Elite Canthan headgear better. As a result, I can't display any of it. Even if it's too complicated to give GW2 bonuses for mixed armor sets, at least let us display them. Also, if I get to display my necro's armor, then I want to see my necro's armor, not a ranger's armor or a mesmer's armor in the same armor family.
6. Accessibility to HoM - /agree, but I don't feel this is vital
It would be terribly convenient to have a button on the Hero panel to travel to HoM, much like the Guild Hall button on the Guild panel. I believe one of the "selling points" of the HoM presented by Anet was to invite our friends to visit our HoM. Rather than have us go through the hassle of grouping up somewhere, traveling to Eye of the North, and zoning into the HoM, it would be much easier to group up, then have the inviting player hit their HoM button and port everybody right into it.
7.Upgrades in HoM - /neutral
I don't think it's necessary to have merchants, Xunlai agents/chests, or other NPCs in the HoM. Most any NPC you'd need is right outside, after all. Also, I'm not sure how appropriate it is to have any NPCs (includng Ogden, Vekk, and Gwen) in what's supposed to be a Hall of Monuments However, I wouldn't object to, say, an optional hat rack for holding festival event hats, or an optional wardrobe for storing my various armor sets so they don't take up so much storage or inventory space. By all means, make these features a gold sink - I don't think they should necessarily be included in a basic HoM.
Final Thoughts
I know Anet's intention is to have specific, high-end accomplishments transfer to GW2 as bonuses. I think that's a great idea, whether I personally get any of those specific bonuses or not. As I understood it, the Hall of Monuments was supposed to be a way to thank loyal GW players for playing the original campaigns as the game transitions to GW2. It's meant to be a legacy we leave to our GW2 characters.
A legacy, however, does not have to be tangible. Even if we derive no specific benefit from our PvE accomplishments and the unique armor combos our GW1 characters wear, I still think it would be appropriate to memorialize them. I think the Hall of Monuments should stand as a tribute to everything we've done with all our GW characters, however humble or lofty our accomplishments might be. If non-max titles are shown as small stone monuments and maxed titles as big shiny statues, so much the better. There's still the incentive for players to work towards max titles to have the flashy monuments and special bonuses.
Another poster commented that the HoM shouldn't be a MyGWspace, but I think that would be an excellent idea. It gives the loyal GW playerbase a nifty feature to play around with both now and when GW2 comes out.
I think it is entirely appropriate that a single GW2 character can inherit the accomplishments of a single GW1 character. What I would like to see is a way to display all my characters' accomplishments in one place. I would like to be able to see all the armor sets of my 10 characters in one place. I would like to see all my protector titles for my multiple characters that have achieved them in one place. It's fine with me if only one GW2 character can inherit all my title-hunting necro's accomplishments, but it would be nice to see those accomplishments no matter which GW1 character I happen to be playing at the moment.
2. Monument of Devotion - /signed
I think it is a really terrible idea to customize mini-pets to a single character. As a player with 10 chars, most of which I play from time to time, I like to pass minis around among characters on my account. If the accomplishment of having the mini can only be credited to one character, that's fine with me. However, I'd still like my monk to be able to display a high-end mini after my necro's taken credit for it, for example. I understand why the minis must be customized to a certain extent; I would just rather they be customized to an account rather than a character.
3. The Monument of Honor - /SIGNED!
As it stands now, my Monument of Honor will be absolutely empty for all my characters, despite that fact that I have maxed PvE titles on several characters. It strikes me as poor execution to memorialize only PvP titles, since people who have high enough rank in PvP are likely PvP-only players who do not have access to the HoM anyhow! Again, if only certain titles at certain rank will count for GW2 bonuses, that's fine. However, it would be nice to be able to display any titles our characters have, whether they are at r1 or max rank.
4. The Monument of Valor - /signed
It would be great to be able to display my collection of monk green weapons, or the variety of bow skins my ranger has accumulated, or the terrific green and gold staves my necro has used to great effect on the field of battle regardless their campaign of origin. Yet again, if only EotN skins count for GW2 bonuses, that's fine with me. I just would like to be able to display other weapons.
5. The Monument of Resilience /signed, signed, signed
My necro farmed extensively to have that spiffy Elite Kurzick armor, but I happened to like the Elite Canthan headgear better. As a result, I can't display any of it. Even if it's too complicated to give GW2 bonuses for mixed armor sets, at least let us display them. Also, if I get to display my necro's armor, then I want to see my necro's armor, not a ranger's armor or a mesmer's armor in the same armor family.
6. Accessibility to HoM - /agree, but I don't feel this is vital
It would be terribly convenient to have a button on the Hero panel to travel to HoM, much like the Guild Hall button on the Guild panel. I believe one of the "selling points" of the HoM presented by Anet was to invite our friends to visit our HoM. Rather than have us go through the hassle of grouping up somewhere, traveling to Eye of the North, and zoning into the HoM, it would be much easier to group up, then have the inviting player hit their HoM button and port everybody right into it.
7.Upgrades in HoM - /neutral
I don't think it's necessary to have merchants, Xunlai agents/chests, or other NPCs in the HoM. Most any NPC you'd need is right outside, after all. Also, I'm not sure how appropriate it is to have any NPCs (includng Ogden, Vekk, and Gwen) in what's supposed to be a Hall of Monuments However, I wouldn't object to, say, an optional hat rack for holding festival event hats, or an optional wardrobe for storing my various armor sets so they don't take up so much storage or inventory space. By all means, make these features a gold sink - I don't think they should necessarily be included in a basic HoM.
Final Thoughts
I know Anet's intention is to have specific, high-end accomplishments transfer to GW2 as bonuses. I think that's a great idea, whether I personally get any of those specific bonuses or not. As I understood it, the Hall of Monuments was supposed to be a way to thank loyal GW players for playing the original campaigns as the game transitions to GW2. It's meant to be a legacy we leave to our GW2 characters.
A legacy, however, does not have to be tangible. Even if we derive no specific benefit from our PvE accomplishments and the unique armor combos our GW1 characters wear, I still think it would be appropriate to memorialize them. I think the Hall of Monuments should stand as a tribute to everything we've done with all our GW characters, however humble or lofty our accomplishments might be. If non-max titles are shown as small stone monuments and maxed titles as big shiny statues, so much the better. There's still the incentive for players to work towards max titles to have the flashy monuments and special bonuses.
Another poster commented that the HoM shouldn't be a MyGWspace, but I think that would be an excellent idea. It gives the loyal GW playerbase a nifty feature to play around with both now and when GW2 comes out.
KennyC
HOM as it currently is now is awful, in fact I'd go as far as saying that it's total crap. Does anyone here actually want to take a friend in there to show off their accomplishments as it currently stands? The answer is no, of course we don't.
That answer to that simple question should be all the incentive anet needs to change the HOM to something that we, the gamers want and deserve.
Change it guys.
/signed
That answer to that simple question should be all the incentive anet needs to change the HOM to something that we, the gamers want and deserve.
Change it guys.
/signed