Petition: Re-Skin Endgame Armor
Lilanthe
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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade
so....why haven't we gotten a response from anet yet?
and we probably won't.
lyra_song
Last i checked it was labor day weekend....
some of us who work actually wanna take a break, especially from whiny customers/clients/bosses.
some of us who work actually wanna take a break, especially from whiny customers/clients/bosses.
Jelloblimp
If we only could find the people who did (some of) the armor-art for Prophecies, oh wait we can: Liquid Development Guild Wars project.
/signed , simply put: GW:EN is not enough until GW2 is here.
/signed , simply put: GW:EN is not enough until GW2 is here.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Squirl
Sins reskins are almost just as bad.
The assassin Asuran armor is actually pretty badass. That armor along with the Warrior Silver Eagle Armor can stay, the rest can go away.
The assassin Asuran armor is actually pretty badass. That armor along with the Warrior Silver Eagle Armor can stay, the rest can go away.
Karia Mirniman
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
See why people have a problem with it? Can someone give the boy ninja some food. He looks so pathetic. lol
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade
so....why haven't we gotten a response from anet yet?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...y#GW:EN_Armors
Not official though.
Not official though.
chambrya
/signed even though i doubt we'll get it.
I don't mind some of the ele sets (I want dwarven even though I already have the aeromancer) but some of the other class got screwed.
I don't mind some of the ele sets (I want dwarven even though I already have the aeromancer) but some of the other class got screwed.
acidic
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Originally Posted by Farcry Deathblade
so....why haven't we gotten a response from anet yet?
because they got their dough already
Farcry Deathblade
they better if they care about people paying for mini expansions/gw2 in the future...
Wulfgast
Anet will not do this.
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Crash Teh Almeighty
I personally feel really sorry for Anet, most of the armors might be a sucky reskin (i love the dragon gloves and male dwarf warr armor). but seriously, instead of wining about it and making Anet feel bad because the reskins are bad and such, give them suggestions, seriously, i think Anet is like almost crying, if not i am because i feel so sorry for them, and i might sound gay now, but i aint, this is just too pathetic that everyone is bitching about Anet.
Thats what their paid art department is for. To think up weird and original ideas and then pass those ideas onto the head of the department. Either this was a lack of inspiration from the art guys, or their boss really wasnt on the ball.
But concidering they had the originality to design and create the fire gloves and the ice gloves, then why didnt they just add an entire armor set using the destroyer or ice skin?
As an end of game armor set?
But instead the only sign of inginuity going on with the art department was shown with the destroyer gloves, the ninja mask and the other prestige armor!
But adding 3 special gloves and 3 special masks doesnt cut it for £17.99-£29.99!!!
They had the opportunity to make FULL prestige armor sets, that covered the entire body because the skins were there and the idea existed! So why didnt they do it?
Yes the rest of GWEN is great, but armor is a major aspect of the game and basically getting re-vamped pyro, earth, air and water armor isnt good enough!
Someone let the ball slip in the art and design department..... whether it was the underlings or the managers, who knows! But someone accepted the designs and let them continue!
Maybe Anet should do more user interaction during the design process, and ask the users their opinions on new armor designs before they impliment them in future?
But concidering they had the originality to design and create the fire gloves and the ice gloves, then why didnt they just add an entire armor set using the destroyer or ice skin?
As an end of game armor set?
But instead the only sign of inginuity going on with the art department was shown with the destroyer gloves, the ninja mask and the other prestige armor!
But adding 3 special gloves and 3 special masks doesnt cut it for £17.99-£29.99!!!
They had the opportunity to make FULL prestige armor sets, that covered the entire body because the skins were there and the idea existed! So why didnt they do it?
Yes the rest of GWEN is great, but armor is a major aspect of the game and basically getting re-vamped pyro, earth, air and water armor isnt good enough!
Someone let the ball slip in the art and design department..... whether it was the underlings or the managers, who knows! But someone accepted the designs and let them continue!
Maybe Anet should do more user interaction during the design process, and ask the users their opinions on new armor designs before they impliment them in future?
vdz
And you know this ofcourse, can you predict what im wearing at the moment? Im thrilled....
Gridou
/Signed
The gwen armor is a shame for Anet.
The gwen armor is a shame for Anet.
Ork Pride
Funny, my Silver Eagle armor can't be added to HoM, and I have the full set. What's up Anet?
genofreek
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Originally Posted by Omniclasm
The Last Windseeker
Well, I posted what I thought on the wiki page. Hopefully some action on Anets part will take place because simply reskinning armors is not the thing to do. Even if it is an expansion it is only 10$ less than a full campaign, and we get less content than a campaign. Some of the things I was looking forward to the most were the armors and they have been a great let down.
GekigangarIII
I don't know about anyone else, but I would have much rather have had *1* set of new armor for each class than 4 rehashes... Probably would have saved some dev time. I mean how much time was wasted trying to make old skins look new?
natuxatu
I don't get it... there is no problem with using the older skins especially *and this is the point i feel that is being missed* The armor looks better in gwen the first use of the skins. Most of the armor was on the net before had. You got what you paid for. I don't see any wrong doing on A.Nets part. The armor is new whether it uses a new skin or not. It says 40 new armor sets not 40 new skins. Seriously people. Further more there are several new items like the masks, glasses, gauntlets...
Plus it's too late... People already have the armor and if it's completely changed to something completely different... that would upset everyone who already worked hard to get it in the first place without complaining.
Plus it's too late... People already have the armor and if it's completely changed to something completely different... that would upset everyone who already worked hard to get it in the first place without complaining.
obastable
I'm beyond disappointed with the armors in GW:EN. I'd sooner buy the rest of my toons FoW armor... most of which I also dislike.
They should have an art contest, except instead of "Design a Weapon" it should be "Design an Armor Set for GW:EN". 4 categories (Norn, Asuran, Deldrimor, Vanguard). 1 entry per category per person.
The players know what kind of armor they want so let them design it. In all honesty, there's no way it could possibly turn out worse than the so called "40 new armor sets" we already got crapped on with.
They should have an art contest, except instead of "Design a Weapon" it should be "Design an Armor Set for GW:EN". 4 categories (Norn, Asuran, Deldrimor, Vanguard). 1 entry per category per person.
The players know what kind of armor they want so let them design it. In all honesty, there's no way it could possibly turn out worse than the so called "40 new armor sets" we already got crapped on with.
hlc617
I read the discussion with Gaile, and I know it's not an official statement, but first of all, the "it fits with the lore" excuse is just sad, and I almost hope she wasn't serious. I don't think it's the themes we're unhappy with- the themes are awesome: norn implements lots of hide and fur, asuran is mayan/aztec influenced, monument is more medieval, and dwarven is.. well, anyway, those concepts are awesome.
To say a tyrian helmet, elonian curaiss and gloves, and canthan made pants and boot for female warrior Monument armor is valid because of the "lore".. that I don't understand. The only way that would make sense is if the Destroyers presence took away Tyrian armor crafter's sense of design.
And the other reason given was basically "well, it would be really hard to make new armors". ...Well, isn't that what the modelers and artists are getting paid to do or not? I hope the artists on staff are upset they didnt' get to design new armors as I am about not getting new armors.
Lastly, the response for why we can't have Design an Armor contest was silly too! Yes, many designs will not fit the grids they already had made up. That's when the paid professional artists come in and edit the designs so that they will. Good grief. I'm willing to bet the official preliminary concept art for armor doesn't fit the set grid either! ;sgdhkhg
I'm sorry I sound so hostile, and I know Gaile herself is just speaking casually for the company and I'm thankful and glad she does so nicely and well. I'm just sad. I do like some of the new reskins, a lot even. It's just.. most happen to not be for any of the professions I play! x)
/signed and sorry for the mini rant.
To say a tyrian helmet, elonian curaiss and gloves, and canthan made pants and boot for female warrior Monument armor is valid because of the "lore".. that I don't understand. The only way that would make sense is if the Destroyers presence took away Tyrian armor crafter's sense of design.
And the other reason given was basically "well, it would be really hard to make new armors". ...Well, isn't that what the modelers and artists are getting paid to do or not? I hope the artists on staff are upset they didnt' get to design new armors as I am about not getting new armors.
Lastly, the response for why we can't have Design an Armor contest was silly too! Yes, many designs will not fit the grids they already had made up. That's when the paid professional artists come in and edit the designs so that they will. Good grief. I'm willing to bet the official preliminary concept art for armor doesn't fit the set grid either! ;sgdhkhg
I'm sorry I sound so hostile, and I know Gaile herself is just speaking casually for the company and I'm thankful and glad she does so nicely and well. I'm just sad. I do like some of the new reskins, a lot even. It's just.. most happen to not be for any of the professions I play! x)
/signed and sorry for the mini rant.
Kha
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Originally Posted by Zeek Aran
Anton's armor almost made me cry. Give me the chance to earn that, and I won't whine once until GW2 is out. D:
...But really, why did they put so much work on our heroes, but not ourselves? This is what really annoys me. They take the time and effort to make the heroes look unique, but give us just reskins. It's OBVIOUS that they are capable of designing new armor, and I do believe that some reskins are good to have, but there's no excuse to give us nothing but poorly thought out reskins that just mix-and-match armors to try to pass it off as "new" while making our heros look amazing. Why should they care more about what heros look like than their own customer players?
Armor isn't even the only problem. Weapons and creatures are mostly re-skinned, and even dungeons copy and paste levels to save creative time. As someone pointed out, the reason people care about armor is customization. ANet clearly knows this, and anyone that thinks it's not important obviously only cares about themselves and not the fact that the majority of players put more pride into their characters than just getting them the cheapest max armor they can find.
We paid $40 for a game with "40 new armor sets" that are mostly rushed reskins, "18 multi-level dungeons rife with traps, puzzles, secret passages, and dangerous foes" which are nothing more than simple underground hack-and-slash territories, and for a "Hall of Monuments to preserve your achievements, trophies, and titles across all Guild Wars games, allowing descendants to reap the benefits of your character's fame in Guild Wars 2" but is so limited in what we can put in it making it more like a cheap vault than an actual display room of memories and proud accomplishments. I like GW:EN, but the only thing that will justify the price of $10 less than the other games is the fact that there's no monthly fee so I can be playing this for a while... until they finally just abandon GW1 cause it's not making them money any more.
There are so many beautiful and creative things about GW:EN, it's just really disheartening that so much they hyped up and promised us would be amazing ended up being rushed and disappointing. ANet has a lot of talent and a lot of potential, but giving us a poorly designed expansion (the fact that it is an expansion having no reason for it to be any less good thanthe campaigns) doesn't exactly inspire hope into our hearts that GW2 is going to have the same enthusiasm as Prophecies did when it came out as the years go on.
...But really, why did they put so much work on our heroes, but not ourselves? This is what really annoys me. They take the time and effort to make the heroes look unique, but give us just reskins. It's OBVIOUS that they are capable of designing new armor, and I do believe that some reskins are good to have, but there's no excuse to give us nothing but poorly thought out reskins that just mix-and-match armors to try to pass it off as "new" while making our heros look amazing. Why should they care more about what heros look like than their own customer players?
Armor isn't even the only problem. Weapons and creatures are mostly re-skinned, and even dungeons copy and paste levels to save creative time. As someone pointed out, the reason people care about armor is customization. ANet clearly knows this, and anyone that thinks it's not important obviously only cares about themselves and not the fact that the majority of players put more pride into their characters than just getting them the cheapest max armor they can find.
We paid $40 for a game with "40 new armor sets" that are mostly rushed reskins, "18 multi-level dungeons rife with traps, puzzles, secret passages, and dangerous foes" which are nothing more than simple underground hack-and-slash territories, and for a "Hall of Monuments to preserve your achievements, trophies, and titles across all Guild Wars games, allowing descendants to reap the benefits of your character's fame in Guild Wars 2" but is so limited in what we can put in it making it more like a cheap vault than an actual display room of memories and proud accomplishments. I like GW:EN, but the only thing that will justify the price of $10 less than the other games is the fact that there's no monthly fee so I can be playing this for a while... until they finally just abandon GW1 cause it's not making them money any more.
There are so many beautiful and creative things about GW:EN, it's just really disheartening that so much they hyped up and promised us would be amazing ended up being rushed and disappointing. ANet has a lot of talent and a lot of potential, but giving us a poorly designed expansion (the fact that it is an expansion having no reason for it to be any less good thanthe campaigns) doesn't exactly inspire hope into our hearts that GW2 is going to have the same enthusiasm as Prophecies did when it came out as the years go on.
pamelf
I think most of the armours are fine as reskins, they at least tried something different with the look. That's not to say that I'm all for it, but at least the reskins look pretty alright. EXCEPT for the monk. Those armours are not even design different. Instead of reskinning 3 different monk armours they just reskinned the same armour 3 times, and they're the ugliest of all the armours as well. I was so disappointed.
So far the only GWEN armour I'm going to bother getting is Norn Ranger and Asura Rit. They're the only ones slightly work the gold.
So far the only GWEN armour I'm going to bother getting is Norn Ranger and Asura Rit. They're the only ones slightly work the gold.
Captain Herbalife
Here is an Idea for everyone. Anet pushes the whole "Design a Weapon" contest. How about a design an armor contest and put the winners in the endgame for GW:EN as an option.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
Omniclasm
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Originally Posted by pamelf
I think most of the armours are fine as reskins, they at least tried something different with the look. That's not to say that I'm all for it, but at least the reskins look pretty alright. EXCEPT for the monk. Those armours are not even design different. Instead of reskinning 3 different monk armours they just reskinned the same armour 3 times, and they're the ugliest of all the armours as well. I was so disappointed.
Thats because all monk armor in Prophecies looked the same, except for tats.
The Last Windseeker
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Originally Posted by Captain Herbalife
Here is an Idea for everyone. Anet pushes the whole "Design a Weapon" contest. How about a design an armor contest and put the winners in the endgame for GW:EN as an option.
Just a thought. Check link, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...y#GW:EN_Armors
I tried suggesting it to Gaile, but she didn't think it was possible.
Just a thought. Check link, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_...y#GW:EN_Armors
I tried suggesting it to Gaile, but she didn't think it was possible.
Zunzun
/signed
Norn armors don't even look like real norn armors. Jora is a norn, so i guess she's wearing a norn armor. So why does female W norn armor look so different ?
I like gwen pretty much. Campaign is a bit short, but dungeons are nice. But weapons and armors deserve to be more than ugly reskins.
Norn armors don't even look like real norn armors. Jora is a norn, so i guess she's wearing a norn armor. So why does female W norn armor look so different ?
I like gwen pretty much. Campaign is a bit short, but dungeons are nice. But weapons and armors deserve to be more than ugly reskins.
allience
/signed
what really annoys me is the Hero armor. WHY do heroes get new armor and we don't? obviously new armors were designed but they don't let the players have it. we get the shit reskins instead. i would be happy if we could have the hero armors instead if the asura, vanguard and dwarven reskins.
gwen's upgraded armor is gorgeous, how come we don't get at least similar things??
what really annoys me is the Hero armor. WHY do heroes get new armor and we don't? obviously new armors were designed but they don't let the players have it. we get the shit reskins instead. i would be happy if we could have the hero armors instead if the asura, vanguard and dwarven reskins.
gwen's upgraded armor is gorgeous, how come we don't get at least similar things??
baz777
I’m not buying any new armour this time round.
Perfectly happy with my Ele’s Vabbian.
Just need a pair of those tinted glasses to go with it though!
Perfectly happy with my Ele’s Vabbian.
Just need a pair of those tinted glasses to go with it though!
boxterduke
I'm just sad that my necro will still be wearing his 15k canthan.
None of the male necro armors are nice.
Otherwise I think gwen is gorgeous and is a good value for what we paid for.
None of the male necro armors are nice.
Otherwise I think gwen is gorgeous and is a good value for what we paid for.
Vel
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Originally Posted by Fr_3_aK
They need to REDESIGN all the EOTN armors. They're all shit reskins. If this is the level of quality to expect for GW2, im not buying it.
Good Weapon Design.
Good Hero Armor Design
EXTREMELY BAD and RUSHED Player armor design.
Exteremely imbalanced cost for obtaining armors as well. 75 ectos for a pair of gloves? 250 destroyer cores for a pair of gloves? Considering drop rates of those, it will take forever unless you make gold by farming like crazy or utilize "other" means.
Requesting to retouch the armors. The color combinations are odd as well. Look at Silver Eagle for example and see what you can dye and how they look on each body piece.
Also, please make drop rates of collector item ingredients logical. Rare items should not mean that you grind your butt to get it. It should be challenging and fun to get it. Why are you moving towards grindfest to retain your customer-base? They will move on to other things. You will retain customerbase if you provide intelligent content in a bug-free and exploit-free environment.
/SIGNED
- Vel
Good Hero Armor Design
EXTREMELY BAD and RUSHED Player armor design.
Exteremely imbalanced cost for obtaining armors as well. 75 ectos for a pair of gloves? 250 destroyer cores for a pair of gloves? Considering drop rates of those, it will take forever unless you make gold by farming like crazy or utilize "other" means.
Requesting to retouch the armors. The color combinations are odd as well. Look at Silver Eagle for example and see what you can dye and how they look on each body piece.
Also, please make drop rates of collector item ingredients logical. Rare items should not mean that you grind your butt to get it. It should be challenging and fun to get it. Why are you moving towards grindfest to retain your customer-base? They will move on to other things. You will retain customerbase if you provide intelligent content in a bug-free and exploit-free environment.
/SIGNED
- Vel
Holz
Hmm, I don't understand. ANet should have known, after more than two years of MMORPG-developing, what customers/players want. Somehow, MMORPG players totally LOVE armor/weapon skins and stuff like that. (Hence why playing as a wurm was totally appreciated in Nightfall). Why don't they spend a little longer skinning some armors and weapons? I know this doesn't take long at all from personal experiences and reading about it... If they want satisfied (read: buyers who will keep buying) customers, put some nice armors/weapons in the game..
R!ghteous Ind!gnation
/agree too many reskins.... I see like maybe 1 new set per profession...
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by Ork Pride
Funny, my Silver Eagle armor can't be added to HoM, and I have the full set. What's up Anet?
The Eagle set is NOT part of the "40 New Armors".
Its #41.
Theres something peculiar with that armor set....
My hunch tells me theres supposed to be 50 armor sets. Wheres the other 9?
Its #41.
Theres something peculiar with that armor set....
My hunch tells me theres supposed to be 50 armor sets. Wheres the other 9?
Emanuel Zorg
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Originally Posted by Holz
But I understood, even before the game was released, that there are players who live for new armors and weapons. And I can understand how frustrated those players must be to see heroes with 3 sets of new armor each, and see that even the Tengu got new armor (I couldn't find any previous Tengu that shared armor with the Quetzal), while players mostly get obvious reskins. There's nothing wrong with reskins in general -- most people would not notice the flesh golem/charr connection for example -- but the armors in GW:EN were immediately noticeable as reskins to me, and I'm usually oblivious to such things. So I can see how the people who had already noticed reskinning between Prophecies/Factions/Nightfall armor (which I never noticed) would be put off by these.
And I don't understand how ArenaNet wouldn't see that the GW:EN customers are its primary GW2 customers, and many of them (right or wrong) will take GW:EN as a sign of what's to come in GW2. I think the more reasonable among us understand that GW:EN is not a sign of what's to come, because the shortcuts taken are a result of their best efforts currently being focused on GW2. But it's a bad idea to assume that your customers are reasonable, and managing customer perceptions is an important task for any business to master.
Now personally, I'm glad they spent time where they did, because I value gameplay more than items. And I think the gameplay in GW:EN is the best of all of the campaigns. But I hope this is a calculation that pays off, and that I'm in the majority of the player base, and the people who care about items and skins are in the minority. Because it seems they may lose some of the latter group as customers.
luilui
That's it, we should take it to the court and let the judge decide rather the armors are new or reskin, let him to decide rather anet has deliberately mislead/lie to us in the advertisement. Anet is an US company ffs, they should not get away with this.
Darksun
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Originally Posted by natuxatu
I disagree and think it's fine that that some are recycled.. it's just a little expansion and you don't need the armor unless you want it. It's better than nothing... I don't mind have two similar variations.. i still want them... i'll still be happy.. they are different enough. I might have been a little dissapointed but I'm over it already.
"just a little expansion"? Shouldn't it be like $20 then?
The final kick in the pants is fact that they obviously spent lots of time on armor sets for the HEROES, which look 10x better than the players...
The final kick in the pants is fact that they obviously spent lots of time on armor sets for the HEROES, which look 10x better than the players...
Mai
Sums up my opinion
CHunterX
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Originally Posted by Vel
Good Weapon Design.
I lol'd. Which weapons were you talking about? Surely not the overused skins from Prophecies? Stygian Reavers... from Nightfall? Endgame Greens... all basic skins tinted green? Or maybe the Destroyer weapons, which are basically just pieces from the monsters, with little to no thought past that point?
Please, show me a few good weapon designs originating from GW:EN.
Please, show me a few good weapon designs originating from GW:EN.
Abedeus
Amen to Mai.
Chicken Ftw
Naw. More like...
Much more appropriate.
Much more appropriate.