Do Paragons Make You Feel Dirty?

If it gets too boring, switch classes. Spamming barrage or mind blast all day gets pretty boring too. It is less boring if you shout "PEW PEW" over vent whenever you use the skill, followed by "BOOM HEADSHOT" whenever you kill something.

Para with TNtF/SY imba?
I can list several other PvE only skills, even excluding Ursan, that are overpowered when used in the right build.
Consumables, same problem.

However, I think there was a reason for their introduction.

The problems were already present in Prophecies.
Teams were not accepting every professions (zomg a mesmer, fail).
Farming teams were always restrictive (warrior in ToPK, noob).
Then we got Factions with two new professions (zomg, sin wannabe tank, fail).
And two new elite areas (PUG teams with restrictive builds and professions).
And yes, we got NF, with the much nerfed para and dervish. And heroes ofc.
And some area called DoA were most PUG and guild builds would be Monk, Ele, Necro, Tank.
Then we got Hard Mode, which should not be very hard for the typical GWG reader, but has a lot of problems for others that don't know about forums or wiki.
I know several of those players and while they are enjoying the game, they even struggle on NM.

I don't care about PvE balance anymore (though I hope things will be better in GW2).
According to many, PUGs died a long time ago.
I do play with them now and then, but there is still a 50% fail chance.
With Ursanway and a decent leader this is reduced to 25%.
So from PUG perspective, there is no need to improve balance.

Then we have the problem of titles.
The introduction of titles presented a new problem.
X things to do in Y time.
Resulting in a lot of people playing their own schedule and joining only what they like. And only on the profession they want that title on.
And they want to do it fast with the least chance to fail, because the KoBD track requires a lot of maxed titles (=grind).
The combination of available professions, playing time and the least chance to fail results in the most optimal team being 2 or 3 human and the rest heroes. Titles + heroes changed GW to a solo game, imo.
Or one could go Ursanway, that works best with more humans.

With consumables + PvE skills, even the sub-optimal team builds have a reasonable chance of success.
Is that bad?
Yes, it is very bad. But it's not killing PvE.
It makes it worth again to team up with other humans, since they also have access to those overpowered skills. And heroes don't.
We are going to see some discrimination again, like "no Ursan, no access", but that's similar to "no B/P, no access".
But, unlike B/P, Ursan can be played with every profession. Welcome Sin and Mesmer.

Should some PvE skills be changed?
As long as PvE is not changed to something where a mesmer and a sin could add more value to a team than an additional nuker/warrior in at least 25% of the situations, I would say no.
That's where PvE is imbalanced in the first place.
I do see that SY could be changed so paragons would be on par with warriors on this one.
It's the total FA, FGJ, AR, SY combo that makes it overpowered. Could perhaps be solved by changing FGJ to a attribute linked skill (like +4 strength). Amen.

Just loved reading this. Props to you, my friend.

To be fair I use the "imba" build about 99% of the time.
And personally I think it is my right as a paragon to use that build infact I see that build as a compensation for having a hard time finding a team in the elite areas. Just as a couple of persons already stated you only find cookiecutterbuilds in those areas and thx to builds as the "imba" paragon build you can actually do one of those areas with a less experienced PUG (read people NOT using the cookiecutter builds becuaze they don't know it etc.).

Second note even if the build is so "imba" why oh why do we not belong to the cookiecutterbuildsclub ? Why aren't we begged to join some elite mission team ??? Why aren't the elite mission outposts filled with dudes in shirts ??

Even with having an "imba" build people don't want us in there groups, even if they could use us verry well they still don't want us. (fact: about every elite mission cookiecutter build uses fire eles (except for the (ex-)topk one))
Yes most cookiecutterteams tend to focus on one person taking all the hits, but still if the build is sooooo ubber powerfull wouldn't they just make a team build around it ?

Another thing alot of paragons I met in nf (the ones I met in eotn,proph and factions tend to use the build) didn't even know of the excistence of the 'imba' build. And not all of em were on newbie island...

This 'imba' build is for the most paragons(with other words the ones that aren't guild/alliance grouping all the time) the only way to survive everything gw trows at us. Cause really it is hard for a paragon to find an elite mission team and if we wanne vanquish we most of the time gotta pray the hench don't act tooo stopid.

Yes the build is imba but is also the only reason why paragons can still be used effective in pve.
IF that build get nerfed (fully, as the AR and tntf did hurt but it still didn't made the build so much less effective) we gonne be rly a death proffesion infact I think anet should release an accountbased title based on the hours we spent on our beloved paragons... (although I dunno if I should use -we- as only a low percentage of the people posting here actually seems to play as a paragon(sorry but seeing the hard times I had playing a paragon... with this build as only lightpoint... and you guys wanting it nerfed... I think I min or less have the right to say so) )

This is my vision on it and if you gonne flame me or so plz read the post fully and try to have some sort of empathy towards the paragon profession. I don't see why people want it nerfed...

we don't piss em off in PvP with it, we don't massive farm some greens and screw up the economy. we only do our thing, try to get titles, vanquish and complete HM missions. is it because all of you never tasted the sweetness of a ''neverdying'' NPC team? you all should try the paragon with the ''imba'' build.

there is one thing though...why do you all call it the imballanced build? I feel it stands up for all the friggin nerfs Anet has been zealing on it. And thoughout all the nerfs and Bullshit, the build is still as effective.

Jealous because your poor searing flames build got owned perhaps?

To be fair I use the "imba" build about 99% of the time.
And personally I think it is my right as a paragon to use that build infact I see that build as a compensation for having a hard time finding a team in the elite areas. Just as a couple of persons already stated you only find cookiecutterbuilds in those areas and thx to builds as the "imba" paragon build you can actually do one of those areas with a less experienced PUG (read people NOT using the cookiecutter builds becuaze they don't know it etc.).

Second note even if the build is so "imba" why oh why do we not belong to the cookiecutterbuildsclub ? Why aren't we begged to join some elite mission team ??? Why aren't the elite mission outposts filled with dudes in shirts ??

Even with having an "imba" build people don't want us in there groups, even if they could use us verry well they still don't want us. (fact: about every elite mission cookiecutter build uses fire eles (except for the (ex-)topk one))
Yes most cookiecutterteams tend to focus on one person taking all the hits, but still if the build is sooooo ubber powerfull wouldn't they just make a team build around it ?

Another thing alot of paragons I met in nf (the ones I met in eotn,proph and factions tend to use the build) didn't even know of the excistence of the 'imba' build. And not all of em were on newbie island...

This 'imba' build is for the most paragons(with other words the ones that aren't guild/alliance grouping all the time) the only way to survive everything gw trows at us. Cause really it is hard for a paragon to find an elite mission team and if we wanne vanquish we most of the time gotta pray the hench don't act tooo stopid.

Yes the build is imba but is also the only reason why paragons can still be used effective in pve.
IF that build get nerfed (fully, as the AR and tntf did hurt but it still didn't made the build so much less effective) we gonne be rly a death proffesion infact I think anet should release an accountbased title based on the hours we spent on our beloved paragons... (although I dunno if I should use -we- as only a low percentage of the people posting here actually seems to play as a paragon(sorry but seeing the hard times I had playing a paragon... with this build as only lightpoint... and you guys wanting it nerfed... I think I min or less have the right to say so) )

This is my vision on it and if you gonne flame me or so plz read the post fully and try to have some sort of empathy towards the paragon profession.
Your vision is right on! Im glad we have the TNTF/SY build we can do stuff by ourselves, which is good because we have been shunned from most groups anyway. People who want the build nerfed don't understand that theres nothing in PvE that can touch that build for a Paragon. All we get is nerfs all the time. Oh well even if they nerf the build for some stupid reason ill still play paragon because its fun.

Your vision is right on! Im glad we have the TNTF/SY build we can do stuff by ourselves, which is good because we have been shunned from most groups anyway. Mesmers?
Assassins?
Ritualists?

There are more professions that are "shunned" more then paragons... paragons aren't even shunned. but they don't get some super awsome build from god.... I have no problems with paragons being powerful, but let's be honest... Isn't 87% Damage Reduction for the whole party WITH powerful dps a little imbalanced?

I find it interesting people claim paragons, are not wanted. I use my brother's paragons at times and I am BEGGED to join groups to the point I have to put people on my ignore list because they pester me so much to join their groups. PvE guilds would LOVE to have another paragon in their guild because paragons are the GW GODS, they are unstoppable angels of death.

Mesmers?
Assassins?
Ritualists?

There are more professions that are "shunned" more then paragons... paragons aren't even shunned. but they don't get some super awsome build from god.... I have no problems with paragons being powerful, but let's be honest... Isn't 87% Damage Reduction for the whole party WITH powerful dps a little imbalanced?

I find it interesting people claim paragons, are not wanted. I use my brother's paragons at times and I am BEGGED to join groups to the point I have to put people on my ignore list because they pester me so much to join their groups. PvE guilds would LOVE to have another paragon in their guild because paragons are the GW GODS, they are unstoppable angels of death.
Never said that they were not the only one's neglected but seriously you say your using your brother's Paragon which must mean your not a veteran with this class and your early judgment of imbalance has some valid points, however theres nothing that runs better in PvE you don't offer a valid solution to the class but you just seem to slander it.

I think you have a valid point and i respect it, but please at least look at what has happened to Paragon skills since NF originally they were so overpowered it wasn't even funny. So skills began to be nerfed for PvP balance. Now PvE paragons have suffered just as much as mesmers and sins and ritualist and if you think any of these classes are a joke then your horribly mistaken. So these PvE skills have made the Paragon very good in PvE since it obviously is not supposed to be overpowered in PvP because most of the skills were broken. So now Paragons have a really good PvE build and now the first thought is it's overpowered sure, but most of the skills were probably designed (especially TNTF) to make up for all the nerfs and probably breed new life in the class. Most PvE paragons run that build because it works the best. Everyone will always run the best skills it's just how the game goes.