Do Paragons Make You Feel Dirty?

well paragons aren't overpowered...you would know that if you would actually play a paragon build ... The only people seeming to claim it beeing overpowered are the ones who only have read the skilldiscriptions and etc.

IMO you alteast should have played the proffesion before you start yelling it is overpowered.

Also you never seem to get in contact with the normal gwplayer, as the normal gwplayer actually likes all the pve-skills for the only reason that the normal gwplayer finally can do the more elite stuff. Stuff that before was reserved for allaince/guild teams and cookiecutterbuild users.

Also you seem to hate pugs but you don't seem to know where you talk about... you seem to hate people in a pug without a decent reason.

If you have never seen someone take tof in his bar than you haven't seen alot of paragons in action...

Ok according to you everyone should join a big allaince and everyone should be elite... ever considered that some people play this game about 2 hours a day tops or only in the week-ends? And that those people also want to do an elite mission just for the fun of it?

The majority of the gwplayers don't suck unlike you think.
Most gwplayers don't have enough of time,enough knowledge about the game etc. to come up with a (team)build for an elite mission.
So they can do 2 things:
either use pve skills
or use a cookiecutterbuild

Before there was only one option: cookiecutterbuilds

Now finally a-net gave us an other way: pve skills.

You can do elite mission and areas without the use of the cookiecutterbuild and without the use of pve skills but keep in mind that you need tons of times to come up with a decent working teambuild on your own or with the help of your allaince, aside from that most people don't know each other good enough to be able to play along like a (decent) team.

I don't think people who play for 2 days a week and don't study the game should be able to do elite missions, no, there's already enough content for casual people, and I genuinely believe there should be content that will actually challenge the better players.

You're wrong in about all of that last post and I can't be bothered arguing with you anymore.

Anet gave PvE skills as a buff after they nerfed skills because of the PvP meta being screwed. It was realizing that PvP and PvE might not be as compatible as they thought, and different skills were needed for AI mobs and level 28/30 bosses. It wasn't done so more groups could do elite missions.

Paragons were meant to give these types of buffs to teams. Read(I know, it's tough) about what they were meant to be. A leader inspires his team to higher achievement(shouts, anthems, refrains), and the paragon was given a weapon for leading from the midrange and inspiring the group forward to victory(the spear). You take that away, and you make him a glorified ranger/monk.

Try playing a paragon yourself. Play it through the game, then cry about how "uber" they are. Otherwise, it's just another whiner with no firsthand experience.

Back to the orignal topic, My paragon use to make me feel dirty until i bought Norn armor now he has pants =D,
Topic At Hand = some people think paragons are overpowered because of the mass damage reduction but are u considering the abilities other classes have of being able to do mass dmg? think outside the box D:

Are these people for real?

I'm an intermediate player. I rolled a paragon and completed the Nightfall mission. I didn't use more than one other human player for any of the missions, unless I wanted to do someone a favor. I rolled through the last 5 during an afternoon with one friend. We never came close to failing anything.

During Shiro mission, nothing died and nothing came close to dying. During Abaddon mission, nothing died and nothing came close to dying.

I'm not a good paragon. I knew very little about paragons, and had never played one in PvE. I had lightbringer rank 1, and my sunspear rank was maybe 4. My Kurzick rank (since we'd switched alliance I couldn't buy Luxon skills) was 1.

It was still considerably easier and above all else more brainless than completing the same campaign on my necromancer, who has around 10 million XP - a class I know just about everything there is to know about, and an extremely strong PvE class.

Yes, paragons are overpowered. Anyone stating otherwise does not understand the game, and probably fall into the same category they try to imbue on others.

Your point proves nothing, anybody can go through the nightfall campaign with ease, its simple, easy to read, and they practically give you the missions bonuses for free, The point here is Elite areas.

You can't say a Paragon is overpowered because he does the job he is intended to do "SUPPORT" the party, Thats like saying assasins are overpowered because they can spike.

The game is meant to be based on how good you are and reward you for it. That implies balancing towards the top level of players, not the guy who just started playing and doesn't know anything or anyone.

Making the game super easy for everyone cheapens the game for everyone. Why bother becoming good or joining guilds or practicing or playing together when you can just rock face with heroes and PvE skills?

Of course I can - I can say he's doing the job he is "intending" to do too well.

Nice of you to bring up assassins. If assassins could kill any other character in the game by pressing 1, would they be overpowered? I mean, that's what an assassin is "supposed to do", isn't it? Kill people?

There's a reason why I started playing my paragon and don't log on my other 8 characters lately

Its so awesome that I must get fow armor for him, even though it means selling away my warrior's stuff.

Paragon not overpowed? Lets just say I call my paragon team "The Immortals" (as compared to my other team builds)

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No ones arguing that Paragons aren't supposed to be able to "support" your party, people agree with that. What's being argued is that they shouldn't be able to support them to the extent their health bars will not drop, which they can do right now.

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