Ursan....Thoughts?
Olim Chill
I've no desire to use it at all.
Silicon Based
QFT
Fully agree, I used to play GW every evening of the week for hours. But since the emergence of the 1 skill UB build I have lost interest in GW completely, at least for PVE. There are no 'elite' areas left in GW, no (PVE) titles that can not be achieved anymore without effort, including HM vanquishing and the like. Just a matter of how robust your keyboard is in handling constant button smashes.
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Originally Posted by Washi
Can I do it for you?
press c press 1 there you go, Ursan Guide in detail. I would like to talk to a person that designed this "skill" and ask him/her how does it feel to turn this wonderful and complicated game into a c-space fest. I obviously don't use it and you could say that I shouldn't care what other people do. But I do care. Why? cause it makes me sad how many people will never see how deep could this game be cause they will never ever need to think about their builds, about the synergy with heroes or other players, about countering specific monsters... no they only need this one skill nothing more. It's just sad. |
william1975
I haven't used it yet but i plan on attempting Mayx and the equivalent bosses in its realm when i get there with it
makosi
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
UB is not godmode, you can still get smacked down while using it. Also if you team needs 3 MONKS, then you must all suck at PvE
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Even still a friend and I vanquished Alcazia Tangle with his mesmer and my ele with Ursan. Squishy Ursans work, too.
We always use 3 monks in an 8-party area because 5 is sufficient damage output. MM and SF heroes are usually better than MM and SF players.
Shanaeri Rynale
Refuse to use it. It's not needed. Although imho spamming Save yourself and Nothing to fear on recharge is nearly as mindless. It edges behind Ursan tho as you still need some semblance of a team build to succeed.
Kakumei
I don't use it, and have no plans to do so. In all honesty, I would vastly prefer it to be removed from the game.
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
Refuse to use it. It's not needed. Although imho spamming Save yourself and Nothing to fear on recharge is nearly as mindless. It edges behind Ursan tho as you still need some semblance of a team build to succeed.
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Targuil
Used it to vanquish some places.
tmr819
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Originally Posted by Vinraith
I find it dull, and thus never use it.
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Lagg
It needs to die.
Alternatively, it can stay as it is if Sunspear and Kurzick/Luxon PvE skills get a huge buff.
Alternatively, it can stay as it is if Sunspear and Kurzick/Luxon PvE skills get a huge buff.
EPO Bot
Buff Volfen and Raven.
TaCktiX
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Originally Posted by EPO Bot
Buff Volfen and Raven.
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As for my usage of Ursan, DoA alone. Reason why DoA is because it keeps the game from becoming a scientific experiment, which is what a standard DoA balanced team is. You screw up one little thing, and I'm sorry, you're wiped and need to start over. That's not fun, that's not a game. Ursan allows for more mistakes while still requiring mind power (you can't take on 3 full groups of Stygian Hungers e.g.).
Anywhere else, totally unnecessary, you can use all manner of team builds in HM and still succeed. I'm a proponent of the "play it loose" philosophy, with the team tank being whoever hit aggro first. And no, I don't use "Save Yourselves!" and "There's Nothing to Fear!"
Earth
I refuse to use it, and tbh I have no respect for those who do. Takes zero skill at all.
zwei2stein
Given amount of people here who say they dont use it and hate it, i wonder what made those long threads about nerfing it so long.
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Or maybe people just don't admit they used it because they would look uncool.
I was in ursan team with my necro to clear DOA (N/Rt healer is fun build.), so i didn't get to experience mind numbness myself that much, it was still boring.
Then i tried to pug there with my paragon fully confident that i would meet group where someone will know how ridiculously easy todays paragon can make everything. Not a chance, after few wtfs is godmode paragon and wth is your ursan, you got it noob, right, why are u using focused anger its crap ...
It turns out that there are nowadays only two classes:
Monk
Ursan (preferably 10/8, yay for not having to grind to be competitive.)
Nothing else exists as far as DoA is concerned. Two classes, Two skillbars. what an epic fun in elite areas.
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Or maybe people just don't admit they used it because they would look uncool.
I was in ursan team with my necro to clear DOA (N/Rt healer is fun build.), so i didn't get to experience mind numbness myself that much, it was still boring.
Then i tried to pug there with my paragon fully confident that i would meet group where someone will know how ridiculously easy todays paragon can make everything. Not a chance, after few wtfs is godmode paragon and wth is your ursan, you got it noob, right, why are u using focused anger its crap ...
It turns out that there are nowadays only two classes:
Monk
Ursan (preferably 10/8, yay for not having to grind to be competitive.)
Nothing else exists as far as DoA is concerned. Two classes, Two skillbars. what an epic fun in elite areas.
Jaythen Tyradel
I use Ursan like Goku uses his Super form...or should. Only when necessary and in certain conditions.
Even then Ursan isn't "uber" in all areas and it is more practical to use a regular build. Some areas is works great, others it becomes a liability.
Pain inverter and Radiation field are my new friends.
Even then Ursan isn't "uber" in all areas and it is more practical to use a regular build. Some areas is works great, others it becomes a liability.
Pain inverter and Radiation field are my new friends.
Kusandaa
I have mixed feelings when it comes to Ursan...
I use it when I want to get quick cash in UW with PUGs - usually means I'm bored, have time to spend in the area and enough patience to direct groups through it. However, it gets boring quite fast, as I'm used to challenge and not godmode (because when you know your limitations as an Ursan, it IS godmode and you can take anything).
Else I prefer real team builds. Gets more challenging gameplay-wise, less boring for me. The challenge I get from Ursan is dealing with the group and directing them through the area. Totally different for me, but I'm not always in the mood for the second.
I use it when I want to get quick cash in UW with PUGs - usually means I'm bored, have time to spend in the area and enough patience to direct groups through it. However, it gets boring quite fast, as I'm used to challenge and not godmode (because when you know your limitations as an Ursan, it IS godmode and you can take anything).
Else I prefer real team builds. Gets more challenging gameplay-wise, less boring for me. The challenge I get from Ursan is dealing with the group and directing them through the area. Totally different for me, but I'm not always in the mood for the second.
Zeek Aran
I'm sorry, but... you need a GUIDE for Ursan?
IlikeGW
I like it because you can PUG on things which is less boring than farming alone. It doesn't really make me more money. There's plenty of solo builds. It's just less boring to get a group of people together.
Chicken Ftw
Never used, never will. I dislike consumables, SY, UB, and anything else that allows people who aren't skilled enough to beat an area normally to breeze through it. I find challenging gameplay fun, but I guess there isn't profit to be made in catering to the skilled, catering to the casual is where it's at.
In before someone suggests something dumb like not using all 8 skills or no armor for "challenge".
In before someone suggests something dumb like not using all 8 skills or no armor for "challenge".
6am3 Fana71c
I don't use it, it just a broken skill for those who can't finish what they want using normal skill bars. I'm not flaming anyone here, and I have nothing against people who do, but GW is more fun when you have to think about what you play. And yeah, Paragon with Save/TNTF allready makes PvE a bit too... /yawn
Molock
I find it stupid and n00bish and so.. I have never used it!
FalconDance
Never used it before I got in on my CurseMistress - and had a LOT of fun pummeling the bejeebers out of charr .
Other than that, none of my other girls have it yet and don't really expect to use it much at all when they do.
(I will say it is nice to watch when husband as warrior and a dervish-playing friend use UB as the front line for the rest of us casters on occasion. Not that they don't make a lovely, highly effective frontline as it is - just fun to see something different.)
Other than that, none of my other girls have it yet and don't really expect to use it much at all when they do.
(I will say it is nice to watch when husband as warrior and a dervish-playing friend use UB as the front line for the rest of us casters on occasion. Not that they don't make a lovely, highly effective frontline as it is - just fun to see something different.)
blood4blood
Great Northern Wall in Normal Mode as a joke while helping a friend with a newbie character. Otherwise I haven't used Ursan for much of anything.
Two April Mornings
I don't use it.
tortugan
I don't use it, since it requires no skill whatsoever, I prefer making own builds and then try them, and make them work.
GloryFox
About the only class it truly benefits from Ursan is the Warrior & Paragon.
Other classes have better uses in a PvE party formation. I don't have a problem with people using it. However there is something to be said about some classes with low armor aggroing way too much with it. Some people seem to think Ursan makes you invincible thats obviously false, and it can put too much pressure on the monks trying to keep you alive for your stupid actions.
(REPEAT AFTER ME ELEMENTALISTS AND NECROS ARE NOT TANKS IN DOA HM)
You know who you are....
There are some obvious drawbacks with Ursan.
1) No Ranged attack
2) No self heal
3) Limited time frame of abilities
4) weakness to energy drain skills
5) No Res Skill
6) Limited Party Build selections
7) Other People who need their ego boosted will think your a bad player and need an edge.
Keep in mind there are also some advantages to running it.
1) Easy build to run
2) Good DPS
3) Your tactics for clearing an area becomes far more simpler
4) Ease of PvE party formation psychological stress on the group leader
5) It allows for more class party selection options such as a larger group of Warriors or even assassins into areas where more than one Warrior or an Assassin would otherwise, not be accepted. Thus No. 4 again.
6) Ease of PUGing (Yes some people still enjoy a good PUG once in a while)
Do I use it?
I will admit I have a few times with my Paragon & Warrior for fun, but since I've been focusing on building up my Mesmer I've been avoiding it. Mesmers take real skill to use unlike some other class options.
Other classes have better uses in a PvE party formation. I don't have a problem with people using it. However there is something to be said about some classes with low armor aggroing way too much with it. Some people seem to think Ursan makes you invincible thats obviously false, and it can put too much pressure on the monks trying to keep you alive for your stupid actions.
(REPEAT AFTER ME ELEMENTALISTS AND NECROS ARE NOT TANKS IN DOA HM)
You know who you are....
There are some obvious drawbacks with Ursan.
1) No Ranged attack
2) No self heal
3) Limited time frame of abilities
4) weakness to energy drain skills
5) No Res Skill
6) Limited Party Build selections
7) Other People who need their ego boosted will think your a bad player and need an edge.
Keep in mind there are also some advantages to running it.
1) Easy build to run
2) Good DPS
3) Your tactics for clearing an area becomes far more simpler
4) Ease of PvE party formation psychological stress on the group leader
5) It allows for more class party selection options such as a larger group of Warriors or even assassins into areas where more than one Warrior or an Assassin would otherwise, not be accepted. Thus No. 4 again.
6) Ease of PUGing (Yes some people still enjoy a good PUG once in a while)
Do I use it?
I will admit I have a few times with my Paragon & Warrior for fun, but since I've been focusing on building up my Mesmer I've been avoiding it. Mesmers take real skill to use unlike some other class options.
Malice Black
Bad people use it.
leprekan
Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANOTHER Ursan whinefest.
Somehow I don't think these 3 pages were what the OP was looking for to include in an Ursan guide.
Ursan is worth leaving in the game for one reason. PUGS. I can H+H ANYTHING in this game except hm elite areas (Uw FoW etc). I look at Ursan in those areas as an IQ/skill boost for any pug I may have the misfortune of replacing a hero with. The skill has its uses and is no more Godmode than a well setup H+H team. C-space? What isn't c-space in pve? Very FEW areas in the game require ANY thought for which monster to target after the healer is down.
Sorry, but after 32 months and 9k hours played .. the only hard thing in gw is finding reasons to play or suffering through a pug (did pvp already .. it is also farming now). After I finish vanquish, drunkard and sweet tooth I am out of reasons
If you feel gimping yourself to kill monsters you have killed THOUSANDS of times makes you pro then knock yourself out and do things the hard way. Taking longer to achieve the same goal in an area you have mastered borders on stupid. If you feel it is fun by all means continue to gimp yourself but please stop with the superior attitudes.
Somehow I don't think these 3 pages were what the OP was looking for to include in an Ursan guide.
Ursan is worth leaving in the game for one reason. PUGS. I can H+H ANYTHING in this game except hm elite areas (Uw FoW etc). I look at Ursan in those areas as an IQ/skill boost for any pug I may have the misfortune of replacing a hero with. The skill has its uses and is no more Godmode than a well setup H+H team. C-space? What isn't c-space in pve? Very FEW areas in the game require ANY thought for which monster to target after the healer is down.
Sorry, but after 32 months and 9k hours played .. the only hard thing in gw is finding reasons to play or suffering through a pug (did pvp already .. it is also farming now). After I finish vanquish, drunkard and sweet tooth I am out of reasons
If you feel gimping yourself to kill monsters you have killed THOUSANDS of times makes you pro then knock yourself out and do things the hard way. Taking longer to achieve the same goal in an area you have mastered borders on stupid. If you feel it is fun by all means continue to gimp yourself but please stop with the superior attitudes.
Malice Black
eh? most of us found other games. Why play of you're bored with it?
I just pop on here to read the whining while football manager loads
I just pop on here to read the whining while football manager loads
moko
i play monk mostly.
we often end up with having 4 monks in our teams.
we are forced to go ursan.
that is all.
we often end up with having 4 monks in our teams.
we are forced to go ursan.
that is all.
Catrion-Leyt
I've used Ursan once. And only because I needed it. The only reason I don't like it is because it's boring. I prefer using my scythe, sword, or pet and using those skills.
leprekan
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Originally Posted by Malice Black
eh? most of us found other games. Why play of you're bored with it?
I just pop on here to read the whining while football manager loads |
Same question could be asked about posters that don't play the game anymore
Sorry had to .. was too easy to pass upMalice Black
heh I'm a bit of a forum addict
I'd play GW...if they made it interesting again.
I'd play GW...if they made it interesting again.
xDusT II
I haven't even finsihed the quest to get the skill yet, which was a bit of a pain because it made Blood Washes Blood HM take forever.
The only time I can see UB being used is as a joke. Awhile ago we did a jokey Urgoz Run (Which no one had done before so we ended up aggroing the 150 wardens in that one room) with 2 monks and a few UB'ers (One of which was Scotty from Rawr xD). It was quite fun simply because the run was desinged for s&g's. The only time I'd bring UB is when I'm more into whats happening over vent than in Guild Wars.
The only time I can see UB being used is as a joke. Awhile ago we did a jokey Urgoz Run (Which no one had done before so we ended up aggroing the 150 wardens in that one room) with 2 monks and a few UB'ers (One of which was Scotty from Rawr xD). It was quite fun simply because the run was desinged for s&g's. The only time I'd bring UB is when I'm more into whats happening over vent than in Guild Wars.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by viper11025
I am Currently Thinking about making a Bear guide soon.
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Srsly...whut?
Ursan is a st00pid skill
angmar_nite
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Srsly...whut? Ursan is a st00pid skill |
xshadowwolfx
Heh, I don't really care if its nerfed into oblivion..(hey thats a game isn't it) or kept the way it is.
I personally have never used, but I wish I did. FoW and UW clears took forever without it...whatever.
Give the puggers a cookie it doesn't affect you, its not your cookie.
I personally have never used, but I wish I did. FoW and UW clears took forever without it...whatever.
Give the puggers a cookie it doesn't affect you, its not your cookie.
Washi
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
About the only class it truly benefits from Ursan is the Warrior & Paragon.
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You have the best pve class and you nerf it's abilities with that? lol seriously...
I pwnd U
I have it but I don't use it. It's just there taking up space
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by GloryFox
About the only class it truly benefits from Ursan is the Warrior & Paragon.
Other classes have better uses in a PvE party formation. ... |