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zwei2stein

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Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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03 Jan 2008 at 15:57 - 121

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Originally Posted by aapo

...Think hard now.

- He can commit heresy

Seriously?

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can use drugs

Not a crime

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can pirate software

By your definition not a crime either.

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can commit suicide

Not a crime.

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can have thoughts about murder and crimes, plan them
- etc.

Yeah, thoughtcrime.

For person which likes to be in highhorse and links people who want to play the same game that they bought two year ago to racists, you are pretty sad yourself.

Not only you are closeminded (Herecy, crime? Are you american or what?), you intend telling people what is right and wrong too (drug usage does not hurt anyone, related social effects do, hech out how much hard and soft drugs people around you use ... Tobaco and Alcohol is drug too btw; Sucide is crime only in Bible, not only its pointless to consider it crime /unless you want to deny people burial/, who are you to tell anyone to breath or not. ) You go as far as categorizing mere thoughts at crime, bravo.

I am stunned on what 21st century person can consider crime.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 16:09 - 122

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

03 Jan 2008 at 16:18 - 123

I used ursan one time to vanquish , but i still died so i dont use it.

Angelic Upstart

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

South Coast UK

[SBS] [RETIRED]

W/E

03 Jan 2008 at 16:21 - 124

UB is utter shite...it brings nothing of any worth to the game at all...period.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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03 Jan 2008 at 16:28 - 125

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

Because were are doing "being arogant" thing wrong: http://www.wikihow.com/Be-Arrogant

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

03 Jan 2008 at 16:47 - 126

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

Because you both bought the game?
And the shitty player has the same right to experience the game as the good one. The only difference is that the good players are now demanding that the shitty ones shouldn't be able to experience the game. Or better yet - the shitty players have the right to experience the game AFTER they reach the level of experience that was defined BY the GOOD PLAYERS rather then the creators of the game!
I fail to see what gives the good players this right. Did I miss something in the EULA?

MirkoTeran

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

Slovenia

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/

03 Jan 2008 at 16:57 - 127

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Originally Posted by aapo

- He can commit heresy
- He can use drugs
- He can pirate software
- He can commit suicide
- He can have thoughts about murder and crimes, plan them
- etc.

I'm an SW-pirating atheist who is currently thinking of killing a few posters in this thread. Arrest me now?

Seriously, take the red pill and welcome to the real world.

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 16:57 - 128

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Originally Posted by upier

Or better yet - the shitty players have the right to experience the game AFTER they reach the level of experience that was defined BY the GOOD PLAYERS rather then the creators of the game!

Actually, the elite areas and HM being made as hard as they are demand a certain level of skill. Well, used to. So yes, the creators did essentially say "you need x experience to succeed here". Then came the QQ from the lazy, and voila, PvE skills.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

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03 Jan 2008 at 17:10 - 129

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Actually, the elite areas and HM being made as hard as they are demand a certain level of skill. Well, used to. So yes, the creators did essentially say "you need x experience to succeed here". Then came the QQ from the lazy, and voila, PvE skills.

From the EULA:
(c) NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.

And that was wrong ... because?

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 17:17 - 130

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

For person which likes to be in highhorse and links people who want to play the same game that they bought two year ago to racists, you are pretty sad yourself.

- So now you changed your "nerf ursan" into "would like to play same game as 2 years ago". Well isn't that quite a trip?

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Not only you are closeminded (Herecy, crime? Are you american or what?), you intend telling people what is right and wrong too

- It's kind of hard to discuss with people who seem to have no reading comprehension at all. How would you sum up my last post? What was the point in that? Do you think that I'm debating whether heresy is a crime or not? Do you not understand that heretics are people who are immoral according to religious people and it's a fitting example of immoral action which doesn't require involvement with other people?

I'm sorry dude, but arguments are not falsified by misunderstanding, ignoring or belittling your opponents. What kind of messed up schools you've been going?

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I am stunned on what 21st century person can consider crime.

- Indeed. Let people play games like they want without hurting other peoples' same right.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

03 Jan 2008 at 17:30 - 131

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

It's amusing to me how it's "arrogant" to want challenge in the game, but it's not arrogant to demand the ability (via overpowered skills) to experience all of the content, even when you lack the necessary skill to succeed in some of it (HM, elite areas).

So much for working on playstyle, builds, etc and getting better at the game. Why bother when you can just turn into a bear?

In before accusations of "elitism".

UH .. it IS arrogant.

Your hand is not forced into using Ursan. YOU and those spamming that Illusion of Leetness signet do not have the right to dictate to the masses how their instance should be played. Assuming (which all of you are) that those using it are "bad" or "noobs" without even knowing the players skill level is the epitome of arrogance.

Sorry uber players .. some of us have 32 months and 9k hours played .. what the hell should we be learning about the game at this stage? I mastered FoW in May of 05 .. should I do it in a way that takes longer to earn your approval? Dream on it won't be happening.

This is guildwars .. probably the worst online community. Trying to imply that you care about Timmy the noob getting better is about as believeable as the concept of the Tooth Fairy. The honest wah is that those spamming that Illusion of Leetness signet are trying to protect a farm or NEED to feel superior to others. The fact Anet has not acted upon the 10 nerf ursan threads leans towards they are bright enough to see that.

You have your instance .. stay out of ours.

Kahlindra

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

England

Anthems to the Welkin at [Dusk]. 2 man guilds are king.

N/Me

03 Jan 2008 at 17:33 - 132

Personally, have made a conscious decision not to use it; I team with others who don't use it, no one on my friends list uses it, I'm in a guild that laughs at it. It is NEVER necessary.

However, everyone else should do whatever they want with their skills. I'm still finding teams to play in, and still vanquishing pretty easily without it, so it has zero impact on me. Do what you like. I just won't play with you

Lawliet Kira

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

E/Me

03 Jan 2008 at 17:34 - 133

Well...i acutlly like the skill. I use it in almost all missions and quests and i breeze through them

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

03 Jan 2008 at 17:43 - 134

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Originally Posted by Avatar The Element

Well...i acutlly like the skill. I use it in almost all missions and quests and i breeze through them

Whats the point of playing then?

Chicken Ftw

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 17:45 - 135

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Whats the point of playing then?

Silly Malice, nobody plays to enjoy a challenge anymore. GW's rewarding skill premise is out the window, it's all about bears and easy mode now.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

03 Jan 2008 at 17:54 - 136

Ursan is handy but it's not what we need; we need a skill balancer who considers PvE before PvP; there would then be no need for Ursan and the like.

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Originally Posted by aapo

He can commit heresy

"Commit" heresy? Care to clarify your arrogant little religion-supporting statement?

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

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03 Jan 2008 at 18:20 - 137

i use it for HM dungeons and vanquishing difficult areas. yes it's boring as hell and takes no skill and can be done whilst thoroughly engaged in a movie on tv, it gets sh*t done. *shrug*

Miss Puddles

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

Shiverpeaks Search And Rescue [Lost]

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03 Jan 2008 at 18:25 - 138

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Originally Posted by aapo

You're the same people who are condemning racial and sexual minorities just because you don't quite like them. I.e. you're fascists. You think that your opinions are worth more and you're better people than rest of us. For the majority of us, ethics are something related to living in a community. For you, you think qualities and actions even when they have nothing to do with other people can be wrong.
This is exactly analogous situation to people using some Ursan skill on their own closed instance where they can never step on rights of other people.

wow dude, exaggerate much? chicken little ftw.

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 20:06 - 139

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Originally Posted by Chicken Ftw

Silly Malice, nobody plays to enjoy a challenge anymore. GW's rewarding skill premise is out the window, it's all about bears and easy mode now.

- Why not? I tried to create a thread saying people could create themselves challenge by not using Heroes that make gaming trivial and instead having fun playing with other people. I was immediately declared fool by community saying "it's fun only if you're masochist" and people went "GFT" for that. So what does some Ursan Blessing have to do with that?

I'm having difficulties finding any consistency in this community.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

"Commit" heresy?

- According to Cambridge Online Dictionary saying "commit heresy" is right.

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

Care to clarify your arrogant little religion-supporting statement?

- It's kind of hard to discuss with people who seem to have no reading comprehension at all. How would you sum up my last post? What was the point in that? Do you think that I'm debating whether heresy is a crime or not? Do you not understand that heretics are people who are immoral according to religious people and it's a fitting example of immoral action which doesn't require involvement with other people?

Racthoh

Did I hear 7 heroes?

Join Date: May 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)

03 Jan 2008 at 20:14 - 140

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

- Why not? I tried to create a thread saying people could create themselves challenge by not using Heroes that make gaming trivial and instead having fun playing with other people. I was immediately declared fool by community saying "it's fun only if you're masochist" and people went "GFT" for that. So what does some Ursan Blessing have to do with that?

What's the point in playing a game if the only way you can make it fun and challenging is to create your own handicaps? I don't see why a player who works to become better should have to penalize themselves because the skill they developed made the game dull for them.

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

E/Me

03 Jan 2008 at 21:00 - 141

I love how people use the word "challenge". The game's never challenged me. Some of us just play for the story and for the fun of playing a class. If I wanted a challenge, I have hundreds of other games that actually make me second-guess myself.

People play their way, you play yours. But don't go on ranting saying "That's the way the game was meant to be played" unless you were the founders for the game.

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

03 Jan 2008 at 21:08 - 142

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

What's the point in playing a game if the only way you can make it fun and challenging is to create your own handicaps?

- This has to be a rhetoric question. Hold on, let me write it here:
What's the point in playing a game if the only way you can make it fun and challenging is to not use UB/Heroes/Consumables/Other "too good" things?

Ursan Blessing vs. Empty LFG screen
Heroes vs. PUG groups
Spiteful Spirit vs. Pain of Disenchantment

Therefore I, Dick the Dictator, will declare that no one shall use any item on the left in favour of using item on the right.

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

I don't see why a player who works to become better should have to penalize themselves because the skill they developed made the game dull for them.

- Speak in riddles, you do. Does developing skill make the game dull? Perhaps the point is in not getting anything new to experience, which makes the game dull, as quite often developing greater potential to be successful makes things more enjoyable.

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Originally Posted by Darkobra

I love how people use the word "challenge". The game's never challenged me. Some of us just play for the story and for the fun of playing a class. If I wanted a challenge, I have hundreds of other games that actually make me second-guess myself.

- I agree. There just happens to be a winning combination to every situation and a way to get any task done. It's written on Wiki and fansites, where people visit. Some people don't care about using the best possible build, so they use something other and still enjoy the game if the game is enjoyable in the first place. People should go play Chess for the best mentally challenging PvP game. Doesn't require latest rig to display graphics either!

GrimEye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Rt/

03 Jan 2008 at 22:05 - 143

Why does it irritate people so much that some people use Ursan?

First of all, I've been playing this game since July 2005. So Im not exactly a newbie as some people would like to imply. I've seen fad builds that went pendulum: first people going gaga over one build then after a few weeks or months, everyone is whining about it.

Then nerfing comes. Then more whining about nerfs and useless skill.

There is so much "ghosts" people are frightened about what catasrophe Ursan may bring. Destroy economy. Discourage creating builds. Ursan brings nothng to the game. There is no challenge. Just to name a few.

I have said my piece on the "economy" part. It is just hogwash.

On the second point, about builds. I really would like to see people do DoA that doesn't require partymates into a certain meta-builds. Or, for that matter, certain builds on some chosen elites areas. I guess everyone can make "original and creative" builds and we can do DoA or whatsnot. Anyone want to share their totally original DoA build that isn't in PvXwiki? Mashing button? Actually, everyone is just mashing buttons: kite, mash buttons, kite.

Ursan brings nothing to the game. For people who have very little time to play, it does. After all, not all people playing guildwars can play 6-12 hours regularly.

Anyway, if people think Im stupid because I use Ursan from time to time, well what can I do? So hard to save people from stupidity. Don't use Ursan, enjoy the fun and challenge and your intellegence. No need to save us. I play Ursan when I feel it or want it so long the skill exist or not rendered useless.

If people think Im not good enough player to be part of their party, tough luck for me.

I have long ago learned to try as hard as possible not to put my ego in a game, or a forum, because all these are just pretensions and projection of images.

Heh. About the high-horse, everyone of us here seems to be riding one.

My take.

VinnyRidira

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2007

Ridirian Guides

W/Me

03 Jan 2008 at 22:11 - 144

If you want a challenge make builds that are hard to play and complain to yourself. Take the wrong mix of heroes and henchmen in with you. Give the heroes lousy weapons and ensure they do not have good runes and insignias. Also give them lousy builds. LOL

Sparda

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

The Netherlands

N/

03 Jan 2008 at 22:20 - 145

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimEye

Why does it irritate people so much that some people use Ursan?

First of all, I've been playing this game since July 2005. So Im not exactly a newbie as some people would like to imply. I've seen fad builds that went pendulum: first people going gaga over one build then after a few weeks or months, everyone is whining about it.

Then nerfing comes. Then more whining about nerfs and useless skill.

There is so much "ghosts" people are frightened about what catasrophe Ursan may bring. Destroy economy. Discourage creating builds. Ursan brings nothng to the game. There is no challenge. Just to name a few.

I have said my piece on the "economy" part. It is just hogwash.

On the second point, about builds. I really would like to see people do DoA that doesn't require partymates into a certain meta-builds. Or, for that matter, certain builds on some chosen elites areas. I guess everyone can make "original and creative" builds and we can do DoA or whatsnot. Anyone want to share their totally original DoA build that isn't in PvXwiki? Mashing button? Actually, everyone is just mashing buttons: kite, mash buttons, kite.

Ursan brings nothing to the game. For people who have very little time to play, it does. After all, not all people playing guildwars can play 6-12 hours regularly.

Anyway, if people think Im stupid because I use Ursan from time to time, well what can I do? So hard to save people from stupidity. Don't use Ursan, enjoy the fun and challenge and your intellegence. No need to save us. I play Ursan when I feel it or want it so long the skill exist or not rendered useless.

If people think Im not good enough player to be part of their party, tough luck for me.

I have long ago learned to try as hard as possible not to put my ego in a game, or a forum, because all these are just pretensions and projection of images.

Heh. About the high-horse, everyone of us here seems to be riding one.

My take.

Don't slice in the DoA pie that part of the game is just ridicilous. You can't find a team there course of the stupid Ursan way people there judge you to your Norn rank and LB rank they force you to grind those titles to a rank they seem fit to not call you a noob emmm Rank 9+ and lb 7+ ursan made most people blind iff you don't have the right Metagame specs of Ursan way there is no playing DoA. Even my rank 8 Norn and lb 5 isn't high enough.
And yes i used ursan i some ways only to get that little content called DoA . it's just stupid that this skill is a must i some parts of the game.

GrimEye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2007

Rt/

03 Jan 2008 at 22:38 - 146

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparda

Don't slice in the DoA pie that part of the game is just ridicilous. You can't find a team there course of the stupid Ursan way people there judge you to your Norn rank and LB rank they force you to grind those titles to a rank they seem fit to not call you a noob emmm Rank 9+ and lb 7+ ursan made most people blind iff you don't have the right Metagame specs of Ursan way there is no playing DoA.
And yes i used ursan i some ways only to get that little content called DoA . it's just stupid that this skill is a must i some parts of the game.

I seem to get your point.

But you see some skills is must in some parts of the game.

Being a rit, I share your pain about DoA, that being descriminated. So I only do DoA with guildies. If the Ursan fad is irritating you to hell, then stand up and say "ursan is stupid". But dont say "Ursan is stupid" and use ursan yourself. It takes away certain credibility.

Again, the point is not DoA, but builds: that everyone of us have "borrowed" some PvXWiki builds and changed a skill or two, and we call that "original and creative". The fact, there is not many very useful skills around - lots of "useless" skill by default or by nerfed - we have to do what little we got. And having only 8 skills in a bar, we have to make that bar as efficient as possible.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

03 Jan 2008 at 23:38 - 147

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparda

Don't slice in the DoA pie that part of the game is just ridicilous. You can't find a team there course of the stupid Ursan way people there judge you to your Norn rank and LB rank they force you to grind those titles to a rank they seem fit to not call you a noob emmm Rank 9+ and lb 7+ ursan made most people blind iff you don't have the right Metagame specs of Ursan way there is no playing DoA. Even my rank 8 Norn and lb 5 isn't high enough.
And yes i used ursan i some ways only to get that little content called DoA . it's just stupid that this skill is a must i some parts of the game.

Welcome to DOA.

Ursan did NOT create the request for high ranked titles. Anet did when they made Lightbringer a title that actually had a benefit. I hit rank 8 lb before there was a doa hard mode or an lb farm. Low ranked lb people had a hard time getting a group way back then as well. Why? That rank showed how much experience you actually had in the area. Nothing changed but the meta. The problem only seems worse now and it has nothing to do with Ursan .. there are just fewer people in doa so the new people will have a harder time getting a group. Thank the decline of the game not a skill. If anything Ursan has been a blessing to DOA pugs that do not have the skill level for the traditional cookie cutter builds.

Balan Makki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

03 Jan 2008 at 23:44 - 148

Don't really use it as my Paragon is far more powerful with his regular skills.

Numa Pompilius

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: May 2005

At an Insit.. Intis... a house.

Live Forever Or Die Trying [GLHF]

W/Me

04 Jan 2008 at 10:13 - 149

My opinion on Ursan: Ridiculously overpowered and ridiculously boring.

Like someone else said: what the hell were they thinking when they invented this "skill"? For years they tried to balance all skills, then completely ignored balance with PvE skills in general, and Ursan in particular. What was the logic? That all PvE players are uselessly unskilled and require full, overpowered, skillbars handed to them?

Titles should not have in-game benefits, and there should not be PvE only skills. IMO.

And for the record, I'm a PvE-only player.

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

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04 Jan 2008 at 10:24 - 150

Quote:

Originally Posted by leprekan

Welcome to DOA.

Ursan did NOT create the request for high ranked titles. Anet did when they made Lightbringer a title that actually had a benefit. I hit rank 8 lb before there was a doa hard mode or an lb farm. Low ranked lb people had a hard time getting a group way back then as well. Why? That rank showed how much experience you actually had in the area. Nothing changed but the meta. ..

When DOA was hard, it also didn't award LB points for anything, so it could be only measured how much one would grind to enter pugs.

Yes, it didn't change that much, however that was NOT an improvement. Easy to use build with little variation was replaced with Brainless build with zero variation. Picky pugs have more reasons to be picky.

Casualls dont see any more gameplay (two titles to grind), all you see are people with glowy hands. Its not more fun.

If that area bad before, now its complete trash.

trobinson97

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless :(

R/

04 Jan 2008 at 10:32 - 151

"How do you use Ursan?"

Sirius-NZ

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

Bellevue, WA (I know ... but I moved out of NZ)

Xen of Onslaught

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04 Jan 2008 at 11:57 - 152

The only argument against Ursan seems to come from those who are, I guess, bitter that other people can do what they did more easily.

If you like it, use it; if not, or if you want a reasonable challenge, don't. You have to have a party to really make use of UB anyway - it isn't such a benefit H/Hing.

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

04 Jan 2008 at 12:00 - 153

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius-NZ

The only argument against Ursan seems to come from those who are, I guess, bitter that other people can do what they did more easily.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

I want Ursan removed. Partially because of it's ridiculously power nature, and how easy it makes the game. But also because of how it overrides Guild Wars' concept of designing skillbars that work. It removes a great deal of the depth of the game.

Read the thread.

There are skills that are just as broken, but they have in their favor that they still keep the concept of Guild Wars.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Jan 2008 at 12:49 - 154

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarre

Read the thread.

There are skills that are just as broken, but they have in their favor that they still keep the concept of Guild Wars.

It's a PvE skill.
And it being a PVE skill, usable ONLY by players - the argument that can never be uttered in PvP - If you don't like, don't use it - IS completely and utterly valid here.
The ability to play with heroes/hench OR playing with like-minded people means that one can play the game at the level that they choose to!

Yes, it does dumb down the game.
BUT only if one chooses to do so!

And I really don't see where this false modesty all of a sudden came from. You guys need to understand that you outgrew the game.
That's why the game isn't challenging.
You're just too bloody good.
And because GW tries to be a mass product - there is no way in hell that the game should cater the best only. You either need to accept that the game will not challenge you any longer OR you need to move to a game that will.
There is just too many bad players in this game for A.Net to listen to suggestions like this.
(That was the reason why I quit my mesmer. The only way I can play it the way I want to is by playing PvP - and I hate the concept of PvP!)

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

04 Jan 2008 at 13:33 - 155

Quote:

Originally Posted by upier

Yes, it does dumb down the game.
BUT only if one chooses to do so!

Unfortunately this 'one' has turned into 'many'.

Quote:

And because GW tries to be a mass product - there is no way in hell that the game should cater the best only. You either need to accept that the game will not challenge you any longer OR you need to move to a game that will.

That isn't the point.
The point is that Ursan Blessing completely destroyed the concept of a skill bar, and it makes newer players bored faster without learning ANYTHING whatsoever.
It also destroyed challenge, so it would make the puggers think "pfft too easy"

Quote:

There is just too many bad players in this game for A.Net to listen to suggestions like this.

And how does UB help with that?

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Jan 2008 at 13:47 - 156

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

Unfortunately this 'one' has turned into 'many'.

As long as "I" don't need to use it - I don't see the issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyla salanari

That isn't the point.
The point is that Ursan Blessing completely destroyed the concept of a skill bar, and it makes newer players bored faster without learning ANYTHING whatsoever.
It also destroyed challenge, so it would make the puggers think "pfft too easy"

And once again - that is your problem ... because?
They play the game they want to.
And they suck at it.
I have the option to NOT play with them.
Instanced playing grounds never looked better!

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

And how does UB help with that?

They are able to play.
It doesn't change anything for you.
But it means the world to the people that would be otherwise just too bad.
And there is a lot of those.

Fried Tech

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

[Yeti]

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04 Jan 2008 at 13:49 - 157

I love these UB threads. There are 2 kinds of people who post on them. The intelligent player, who tries to inform everyone why UB was put into the game. And then there is the childish, "I WANT EVERYTHING MY WAY!! or I'm just going to keep complaining until you give me what i want!"

Guess what. You wont get what you want because you have no real argument. If Ursan is doing more damage than you could do before, then your not as good as you like to think.

dunky_g

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

[SNOW]

04 Jan 2008 at 13:54 - 158

OH NOES!!11!!111!!!11 URSAAN MEAUNZ OVER PEOPLES CANZ DOOZ TEH 1337 AREAZ!!!!11!!1!!11!!111!!1

/care?

aapo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

04 Jan 2008 at 13:56 - 159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

Like someone else said: what the hell were they thinking when they invented this "skill"?

- To be used in as an alternative method to complete hard mode especially for nerfed professions, perhaps?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

For years they tried to balance all skills, then completely ignored balance with PvE skills in general, and Ursan in particular. What was the logic?

- PvP requires that skills are balanced. If one combination is vastly more powerful than other, it spoils the game for everyone in PvP. If Searing Flames is more powerful than any other Fire Magic elite in each and every imaginable case, that destroys creativity because number of viable skills is limited. How viable skill X is depends on your opponents!

So in PvE overpowered skills don't matter, because people are in their own closed instances killing their own monsters, collecting their own loot. Don't you understand that when there is no competition, the competition can't be unfair?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

That all PvE players are uselessly unskilled and require full, overpowered, skillbars handed to them?

- Why?

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

04 Jan 2008 at 14:08 - 160

Quote:

Originally Posted by aapo

So in PvE overpowered skills don't matter, because people are in their own closed instances killing their own monsters, collecting their own loot. Don't you understand that when there is no competition, the competition can't be unfair?

It's actually even worse.
Because PvE functions under completely different rules then PvP (which is ABSOLUTELY insane since the players are forced to follow the same rules!) AND the point of it is for the player to win (compared to the best playing winning in PvP) we can not actually define what balance is so there can actually be no overpowered skills in PvE.